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Comcast Throttles BitTorrent Traffic, Seeding Impossible

Over the past weeks more and more Comcast users started to notice that their BitTorrent transfers were cut off. Most users report a significant decrease in download speeds, and even worse, they are unable to seed their downloads. A nightmare for people who want to keep up a positive ratio at private trackers and for the speed of BitTorrent transfers in general.

Comcast Throttles BitTorrent Traffic, Seeding ImpossibleISPs have been throttling BitTorrent traffic for almost two years now. Most ISPs simply limit the available bandwidth for BitTorrent traffic, but Comcast takes it one step further, and prevents their customers from seeding. And Comcast is not alone in this, Canadian ISPs Cogeco and Rogers use similar methods on a smaller scale.

Unfortunately, these more aggressive throttling methods can’t be circumvented by simply enabling encryption in your BitTorrent client. It is reported that Comcast is using an application from Sandvine to throttle BitTorrent traffic. Sandvine breaks every (seed) connection with new peers after a few seconds if it’s not a Comcast user. This makes it virtually impossible to seed a file, especially in small swarms without any Comcast users. Some users report that they can still connect to a few peers, but most of the Comcast customers see a significant drop in their upload speed.

The throttling works like this: A few seconds after you connect to someone in the swarm the Sandvine application sends a peer reset message (RST flag) and the upload immediately stops. Most vulnerable are users in a relatively small swarm where you only have a couple of peers you can upload the file to. Only seeding seems to be prevented, most users are able to upload to others while the download is still going, but once the download is finished, the upload speed drops to 0. Some users also report a significant drop in their download speeds, but this seems to be less widespread. Worse on private trackers, likely that this is because of the smaller swarm size

Although BitTorrent protocol encryption seems to work against most forms of traffic shaping, it doesn’t help in this specific case. Setting up a secure connection through VPN or over SSH seems to be the only solution. More info about how to setup BitTorrent over SSH can be found here.

Last year we had a discussion whether traffic shaping is good or bad, and ISPs made it pretty clear that they do not like P2P applications like BitTorrent. One of the ISPs that joined our discussions said: “The fact is, P2P is (from my point of view) a plague – a cancer, that will consume all the bandwidth that I can provide. It’s an insatiable appetite.”, and another one stated: “P2P applications can cripple a network, they’re like leaches. Just because you pay 49.99 for a 1.5-3.0mbps connection doesn’t mean your entitled to use whatever protocols you wish on your ISP’s network without them provisioning it to make the network experience good for all users involved.”

Customers on the other hand like to fully use their connection, and don’t agree that traffic shaping is the correct solution. One reader commented: “If you pay for an internet connection, that’s what you should get from your ISP — an internet connection. Not a connection that will let you browse the web and check email, but little else. If an ISP has issues with the amount of data a customer is transferring, then the ISP needs to address that issue with that customer, and not restrict every user in one class of traffic.”

I guess this battle will go on for a while and I would advise Comcast users to try setting up a VPN connection to get around the traffic shaping, other users who find out that they are throttles might try BitTorrent encryption first, that seems to work quite well in most cases.

More details about the Sandvine application can be found here.

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  • gpun

    furk.net/bt/ is the solution

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  • http://torrentfreak.com Ernesto

    [quote comment="148260"]furk.net/bt/ is the solution[/quote]
    Not really a solution, and it’s not a free service either.

  • Ecko

    I’m with Sympatico (Canada), very loose leash as far as I know. :)

  • Tim

    Time to find a new ISP then. Sadly, it appers to be a lack of good ISPs in the US. Any suggestions of one that doesn’t throttle any P2P-traffic?

  • d00msay3r3

    I am as of today the 17th of August a Comcast cable internet subscriber. I’m not sure if this is affecting all Comcast or possibly untrue, but I am currently downloading/seeding without any issues. I seed on timer where day,early evening hours i upload at 32kb/s and late evening early morning at 64 kb/s and have done so for almost 2 years on a 24/7 basis with no problems from Comcast for doing so. I’ve up’d over 500 Terabytes this year so far, and that’s just in bitorrent traffic. I still use my net connection for games and surfing/email as well on top of this. I live in a smaller area so this may be the reason we aren’t affected. I can’t say anything bad about Comcast as of this time period. I had issues with sprint/earthlink dsl and their crap speeds before this but comcast has been reliable and almost always higher than rated speeds.

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  • Arqentus

    “P2P applications can cripple a network, they’re like leaches. Just because you pay 49.99 for a 1.5-3.0mbps connection doesn’t mean your entitled to use whatever protocols you wish on your ISP’s network without them provisioning it to make the network experience good for all users involved.”

    Funny. Then don’t oversell the lines. What about the BBC story, how ISP’s want money from the BBC for shocking there connections because of the high demand for the BBC’s TV player.

    If you sell a 3Mbits line, then you need to be sure, it can handle 3Mbits when everybody is using 3Mbits. They oversell like hell. Overselling = profits. And if people use to much bandwidth, then lets just throttle whatever application they are using.

    We have seen this same problem going back almost 7 years? When a local cable isp advertising 10Mbits, but download limit of 10GB/month. Blaming the “rotten” apple’s for consuming to much downloading “illegal” material. We are 7 years later, and yet, its still 10GB/month ( unless you are willing to pay a hefty 1€/GB fee. Then they sky’s the limit ). Funny, when you can have servers with a 1.5TB limit in the neighboring country for only 19€’s month.

    ISP’s run behind the facts, and refuse to see that p2p, webtv, youtube, and other bandwidth “devowering” services rule these days, and will so in the future.

  • Bob

    I’m on Sympatico too … from back in the days with unlimited downloads. If I were to sign up as a new customer I either have to pay extra for unlimited or get a total of 2GB (that’s for both upload and download) and then pay extra.

    With a total monthly transfer (upload and download) of 100GB to 240 GB I’d have to pay a fortune for my connection. Paying for bandwidth is the right way for limiting P2P though.

  • Adam

    [quote comment="148279"]Time to find a new ISP then. Sadly, it appers to be a lack of good ISPs in the US. Any suggestions of one that doesn’t throttle any P2P-traffic?[/quote]

    I have Verizon FiOS and I love it. No restrictions as far as I know, and I get 15Mb/s down and 2Mb/s up for about $50 a month.. not bad at all.

    Unfortunately FiOS isn’t available in most places yet.. but worth looking into.

  • ipodman715

    I was looking at the Azureus wiki and it said you can try the ‘Use lazy bitfield’ option.

  • TiAMO

    iptables -A INPUT -p tcp –dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT –tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP

    is the solution, and soon torrent clients / peerguardian and alike hopefully implements it for windows aswell =)

  • Ben

    I fucking hate Comcast. I need a new broadband provider. God fucking damn it, this fucks my day over.

  • Matt

    Yeah I noticed that. I was seeding a Catalan movie, there are very few of us on the net and I had major problems getting the seed to work, the peers kept going off all the time. Luckily I have a vpn to work where I admin, so I used that to get over this irritation.

  • sheda

    first the anime thing now this. i fucking give up.

  • Shane Spencer

    Use Hamachi to establish giant secure virtual lans on the internet. Its free, cheap, easy.

    I personally have the “bogomip” network with a private password using the Hamachi servers. I use that for my personal home to work VPN, took maybe 5 minutes to set up and get working.

    If torrent sites would use hamachis P2P encrypted VPN techniques to make a large virtual lan exist, they could privately host their own websites on private networks – outside of the public eye.

  • Tate

    “If you sell a 3Mbits line, then you need to be sure, it can handle 3Mbits when everybody is using 3Mbits. They oversell like hell. Overselling = profits.”

    You are one clueless moron. Why can’t you understand that “up to 3 Mbps” does not mean “3 Mbps 24/7?” How on Earth do you expect any ISP to keep their doors open if they allow bandwidth hogs to max out connections as they see fit, when a 45 Mbps DS3 connection costs them thousands of dollars per month? Should they only allow 15 customers per DS3 and then charge them $500 or more per month? I’d love to see you pissing and moaning then, you ignorant wanker.

    Bottom line — ISP’s are BUSINESSES that have EXPENSES and also need to make some form of PROFIT. If you’re maxing out your connection all the time, you’re not profitable, and therefore your ISP should restrict your ass or just cancel your service all together.

    Get a clue.

    - Tate

  • pyt

    Tate,

    Then ISPs need to change the way they advertise. Something like “At least .5mbps, up to 3mbps”.

  • Tate

    PYT -

    I can accept that. In fact, I’m all in favor of ISP’s using an “up to” rating for speeds as long as they are completely open about the stipulations on the connection. If they’re going to throttle, then that’s their right to do so in order to maintain a good connection for other users. A simple disclaimer on their website stating “P2P traffic is limited to xyz Kbps” or something similar should make everyone happy; the ISP is maintaining network performance, and bandwidth hogs know point blank what their limitations are. Make sense?

    There’s also adaptive traffic shaping, such as throttling only during certain peak hours of the day.

    Really, there are lots of possibilities if ISP’s are willing to go above and beyond to provide a good product for everyone, yet maintain their profitability.

    My $.02 worth.

    - Tate

  • geasrdp

    COMCAST IS THE WORST EVER. PRICE KEEPS GOING UP .MY INTERNET GOES OUT ALL THE TIMW . CABEL CHANNELS SUCK . THEY SHOW THE SAME OLD CRAP.

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  • Dan

    Comcast wants you to quit: If they only have low-usage users who are overpaying for their connections, they win.

    Most of you are the techies who know lots of other folks. Instead of leaving Comcast, help your parents, friends, etc upgrade to someone who provides Internet service as opposed to limited IP connectivity.

  • Ponce

    Seems anti-competitive to me… Comcast sells internet access. They also sell video subscriptions, charging extra for on-demand and PPV movies.

    If I’m paying to DL a movie from a legal subscription service that uses the bittorrent protocol, and it’s blocked, that’s anticompetitive behavior designed to get me to use Comcast’s services instead of the competitors.

    Dorkbags. Grrr.

  • TiAMO

    Tate: “45 Mbps DS3″ ?! the 90′is called and wanted there network design back. Currently networks are built using 10GE, 40Gbit POS in the core, Peering is done via GE or 10GE. Uplinking to costumes distributions switches is usaly done by GE. And if you are lucky enought to live in the developed part of he world, costumes are uplinked via Ethernet, FastEthernet, DSL* or Docsis*.

  • Ray

    As customers, all we ask is to get what we pay for. Unfortunately, increasingly, ISPs reserve the right to throttle certain kinds of traffic in their “Terms of Service” agreements. One would hope that competition would come to the rescue, but countries like the US, through the FCC, tend to favor having only one or two providers in most markets with the resulting monopolistic consequences.

    My own experience is with Qwest, the major and only real competitor in my local market to Comcast.

    My first issue with Qwest was that my downloads were capped a 3Mb/sec, even though Qwest’s advertisements in the local paper and online trumpeted 5Mb/sec rates. Two calls to Qwest technical support resulted in statements that there was no technical reason for the cap, but I would need to call the business office to determine the reason for the cap. A two hour call to the Qwest business office didn’t provide a satisfactory reason for or removal of the cap. Currently Qwest advertises a 7Mb/sec download rate for DSL in my area.

    My second issue with Qwest started early this year. Previously, torrent downloads had proceeded at the 3Mb/sec limit without problem. Starting this year, whenever the torrent download rate approaches 2 – 3 MB/sec, Qwest logs the PPPoE connection out.

    While I believe that ISPs have the right to specify and enforce the terms on how their services are used, at least in the US, broadband customers don’t have the options available to shop for a better deal.

  • Ray

    As customers, all we ask is to get what we pay for. Unfortunately, increasingly, ISPs reserve the right to throttle certain kinds of traffic in their “Terms of Service” agreements. One would hope that competition would come to the rescue, but countries like the US, through the FCC, tend to favor having only one or two providers in most markets with the resulting monopolistic consequences.

    My own experience is with Qwest, the major and only real competitor in my local market to Comcast.

    My first issue with Qwest was that my downloads were capped a 3Mb/sec, even though Qwest’s advertisements in the local paper and online trumpeted 5Mb/sec rates. Two calls to Qwest technical support resulted in statements that there was no technical reason for the cap, but I would need to call the business office. A two hour call to the Qwest business office didn’t provide a satisfactory reason for or removal of the cap. Currently Qwest advertises a 7Mb/sec download rate for DSL in my area.

    My second issue with Qwest started early this year. Previously, torrent downloads had proceeded at the 3Mb/sec limit without problem. Starting this year, whenever the torrent download rate approaches 2 – 3 MB/sec, Qwest logs the PPPoE connection out.

    While I believe that ISPs have the right to specify and enforce the terms on how their services are used, at least in the US, broadband customers don’t have the options available to shop for a better deal.

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  • AR

    I predict that within the next 2 months Comcast will loost 10% of its clients

  • matt

    does anyone know the ipfw equivalent for the iptables command:

    iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT ,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP

    i’m running osx, and i’d like to give it a shot.

  • Norman619

    “CABEL CHANNELS SUCK . THEY SHOW THE SAME OLD CRAP.”

    Too funny. This pretty much describes TV in general. This is not just a Comcast cable issue.

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  • carmen

    yep, i cancelled my comcast and just hop between verizon and earthlink customers in the vicinity. i just use it for ssh and svn so whatever – im not really raping their connection..

    $65 a month and you cant even use bittorrent properly is ridiculous.

    plus theres that joke ‘upstream boost’ that lasts for about 10 seconds, then drops back to 35-40K/second

    its realy only the customers fault that comcast is able to raise prices all the time – too many people are willing to pay it

  • Alucard

    Um, question (a few in fact).

    “Although BitTorrent protocol encryption seems to work against most forms of traffic shaping, it doesn’t help in this specific case.”

    Then later:

    “other users who find out that they are throttles[sic] might try BitTorrent encryption first, that seems to work quite well in most cases.”

    Both “encryptions” link to the same page. How does this compute?

    Also, I would like to know how Comcast can block BT traffic that is both encrypted and on a non-standard port.

  • georgtsipot

    How about that http seed feature in azureus? Surely they can’t block the 8080 port, or any other widely used one.

  • Frances

    In New Zealand, the internet is getting worse and worse. They basically cap high usage users so that low-use users can browse their e-mails in 3MBPS glory.

    Our plan went from unlimited downloads to…10GB cap. We get capped to 14.4K in the evening.

    There are perfectly legitimate ways to rack up over 50GB of data a month – just intensively browsing streaming sites is a perfect way to get a hefty chunk of data. Then add in skype with video, some lossless itunes albums and itunes video, paid-for TV download, legal old movies which have expired copyright, trailers in HD, paid for applications, videography usage (uploading personal video files and downloading from other users), uploading and downloading high res photographs…(upload is counted with download in New Zealand so the cap = up and down)

    In fact our ISP brags that you can download, oh my gosh, 1000 e-mails? Wow! And browse…20,000 websites? WOW! Amazing! Then why do you need 3Mbps internet? Wouldn’t 256 be more than sufficient?

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  • j

    [quote comment="148318"]“45 Mbps DS3″ ?! the 90′is called and wanted there network design back. Currently networks are built using 10GE, 40Gbit POS in the core,[/quote]

    Maybe in major cities or if you are a major player, but not in middle America.
    Many rural ISPs are still using DS3s or, horrors, bonded T1s.

    There are many parts of the US where DS3s from the phone company are the only way to get transit unless you can afford to bury fiber or build a wireless backhaul chain to reach a major city.

  • Joseph

    Can ComCast folks switch to DSL Extreme? I have heard good things about them; why not give them a try?
    Its tough to switch broadband ISPs in the USA because we have a monopoly system here (unlike with most of the world/even the developing world).
    Some people may only have 1 DSL Option (say SBC At&T) and 1 Cable option(say Cox).

  • Joseph

    In Southern California they say we get ’3mb/second’ or whatever but i have never gotten more than 256kb/second for a prolonged period of time.
    Never ever more than 512kb/second.
    The whole thing about 3mb/second I would like to know how they get that figure if no one gets it?

  • Dave

    If they sell you “Internet access” intending to filter or otherwise interfere with your connections, that’s fraud. Hiding warnings about their intent in an agreement you’re unlikely to read is a deceptive practice. If you’re trying use your Internet access to share content with its creator’s permission, or to share your original work, and the access provider prevents you from doing it, then you have a right to taintkick them, legally speaking.

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  • jmnugent

    The problem is bad business practices (IE=overselling/overpromising)

    They are doing the same thing now that they did in years past with the phone system. You paid a certain price each month for an analog phone line that is “dedicated” to you.. but the infrastructure was simply not there if everyone tried to be on the phone at once (what happens during an emergency or social upheaval). Thats just bad business. If you oversell, and under-structure your backend, you are a moron.

    The problem of bandwidth saturation and download/upload heavy multi-media usage is NOT GOING AWAY. If anything its going to get worse for ISP’s. (and I do know what I’m talking about, I work for an ISP)

    If I pay a certain amount a month for a certain size pipe.. I want that amount of bandwidth available to me without filtering. If the ISP isnt going to honor that, I’ll get a different ISP. You are an ISP, you arent the “digital file police”.. Your job is to provide bandwidth, not decide what bits are OK to send and which ones arent.

    I understand that Bandwidth costs money, so if thats the case, then ISP’s need to raise prices, provide “tiered pricing”.. or “a la carte pricing” (your monthly bill is adjusted to reflect your usage, like gasoline or electricity).

    just my 2c

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  • charlie

    I’m lucky to live in central maryland, we have fios competition with comcast. Comcast even tried to get our county to remove their rights to build saying they were here first. the county just slammed the door on their face and now we have fiber optics glory.

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  • Tate

    [quote comment="148372"][quote comment="148318"]“45 Mbps DS3″ ?! the 90′is called and wanted there network design back. Currently networks are built using 10GE, 40Gbit POS in the core,[/quote]

    Maybe in major cities or if you are a major player, but not in middle America.
    Many rural ISPs are still using DS3s or, horrors, bonded T1s.

    There are many parts of the US where DS3s from the phone company are the only way to get transit unless you can afford to bury fiber or build a wireless backhaul chain to reach a major city.[/quote]

    You beat me to the punch TiAMO, though I couldn’t have said it better myself. Until the world has ubiquitous OC-768 backbones in every city, small ISP’s have to take what they can get in terms of their WAN peers.

    - Tate

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  • Tate

    [quote comment="148414"]…If I pay a certain amount a month for a certain size pipe.. I want that amount of bandwidth available to me without filtering…

    …I understand that Bandwidth costs money, so if thats the case, then ISP’s need to raise prices…[/quote]

    Are you for real? So, you wouldn’t mind paying ten times what you’re currently paying so your ISP can afford to give you dedicated bandwidth?

    What you don’t seem to realize is that the reason there is broadband is because companies rely on a “time share” method of dividing up their much much MUCH more expensive WAN connection costs. When you purchase broadband, you’re not purchasing an SLA’ed point-to-point pipe that’s dedicated to you; you’re purchasing a chance for equal use rights to someone else’s pipe. If you’re on cable, then you’re competing with everyone else on your node. If you’re on DSL, then you’re competing with everyone else on your DSLAM. If you’re on FiOS (BPON / GPON), then you’re competing with 32 other people on your splitter. And so on, and so forth.

    If you really want 100% guaranteed access to a pipe / dedicated bandwidth, then you need to shop around for a T1, ether, microwave, or some other business class connection. Once you see the prices of these types of links, I guarantee you’ll appreciate your “best effort” broadband connection more.

    - Tate

  • Tate

    [quote comment="148414"]The problem of bandwidth saturation and download/upload heavy multi-media usage is NOT GOING AWAY. If anything its going to get worse for ISP’s. (and I do know what I’m talking about, I work for an ISP)[/quote]

    Sorry, I seemed to have missed this interesting tidbit. I’m going to go out on a limb and guess that you’re not in any kind of upper management position, but rather some level of technical support, right? Just curious.

    Oh, and I’m not sure if you were implying otherwise, but if you were, I’d like to point out that telephone connections are still oversold to this day. Typical oversell ratios are from 1:3, all the way to 1:20 and beyond. There’s no justification from a financial or technical aspect to provision at a 1:1 ratio for the PSTN. To undersell and over-structure your company’s backend would be incredibly wasteful and moronic.

    - Tate

  • Jackson

    Hey Comcast CEO Brian Robert: Why do you think people have broadband in the first place? Sheesh. Where do they find these luddites.

    The next chapter in the Saga for Comcast will be Chapter 11.

  • nurvus

    “P2P applications can cripple a network, they’re like leaches. Just because you pay 49.99 for a 1.5-3.0mbps connection doesn’t mean your entitled to use whatever protocols you wish on your ISP’s network without them provisioning it to make the network experience good for all users involved.”

    Fuck that shit! The ISPs are leaching us by billing $49 for shitty 3mbit service! Someone point this shit out in the the terms and agreements in the contract. “just because you pay $49 for a 1.5-3.0mbps connection doesn’t mean your entitled…”, my ass. If these fucking ISPs won’t give us comparable bandwidth to what other countries are enjoying for a third the cost, I’ll make sure to get my fucking money worth in service. It’s called getting what you pay for.

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  • heavybags

    [quote comment="148441"]Someone point this shit out in the the terms and agreements in the contract. [/quote]

    [quote]Examples of prohibited services and servers include, but are not limited to, e-mail, Web hosting, file sharing, and proxy services and servers[/quote]

    Comcast TOS:
    http://www.comcast.net/terms/use.jsp

  • davidwr

    They should sell Mb/sec and GB/hour combos. You’d pay more for 10MB/sec with 36000MB/hour than you would for 10MB/sec with 3600MB/hour. If you exceed your quota, you are sent to a “fast enough to browse the web and read email” “penalty box” until your last-60-minute usage drops below your quota.

    Heck, this would let them “give” even the low-end customers the highest burst speed possible while making those who generate a lot of traffic pay for it.

    They also wouldn’t have to invest in protocol-specific traffic-shaping technology.

    To address the needs of heavy downloaders, they can also have “peak” and “off-peak” rates, and offer “buy it when you need it” extra capacity. If I’m on the cheap plan, but want to watch a streaming video, I can buy 2 hours worth of full-speed access right now.

  • fucking annoyed

    Many thanks for the iptables line. Router set and primed.

    Who’d have thought I’d have to use the same trick against my ISP as Chinese users have to use to prevent cencorship?

    The world is truly in a handbasket.

  • Comcast Subscriber

    I’ve noticed this behavior for almost two months with Comcast. I check online sites that track ISPs who throttle bittorrent. Comcast was never on that list. It’s good to know the truth. The solution to keep your ratio up is to throttle your download until your upload reaches the desired level. Upload works fine until the download is fully completed.

  • AJ

    My experience with Qwest DSL in the Portland, OR area: excellent for Bit Torrent. I can get 600-700 KB/s downloads and up to 100 KB/s uploads. Not quite the rates they advertise, but pretty close, and certainly no throttling. Comcast would be a bit cheaper for me, but it sounds like my seeding would be ruined.

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  • gb

    Dang – I hate that Comcast is my only option, but it really is (other than dial-up). Technically there’s Qwest – but their speeds suck and they’ve actually publicly stated that they don’t plan on investing in fiber any time soon.

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  • Spiffster

    What is this iptable command line and where can it be configured in your router.

    iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT ,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP

  • no

    “I predict that within the next 2 months Comcast will loost 10% of its clients”

    Exactly how is that going to happen? Broadband companies have a monopoly in their area of service. Do you think 10% of Comcast’s customers are going to ditch them for dial-up?!

  • James

    “In Southern California they say we get ’3mb/second’ or whatever but i have never gotten more than 256kb/second for a prolonged period of time.
    Never ever more than 512kb/second.”

    Thats because you’re retarded.
    3 mbps = 3000 kbps = ~300 KB/Sec max

  • SirNuke

    [quote comment="148484"]What is this iptable command line and where can it be configured in your router.

    iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT ,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP[/quote]

    This is a UNIX (Linux/BSB/etc) firewall rule. This blocks the reset packets Comcast is producing. It’s been years since I’ve used ipfw but I think this will work:

    ipfw add drop tcp src-port (bittorrent_port) tcpflags rst

  • James

    “iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT ,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP

    is the solution, and soon torrent clients / peerguardian and alike hopefully implements it for windows aswell =)”

    Is there any way to get this to work on a windows network through ICS with a server instead of a router??

  • ph

    Time to start complaining to the FCC and congress.

  • Alex S

    Ok…sorry everyone that’s posted on this and bitched about it…and I will say…before I state my thoughts and bias’s, that I (heart Digg…love the concept, needs to be tweaked…and it still doesn’t have an unbias’d vibe to it, it seams like everyone on the site is very open and atheist, and thinks that everything is ok and moral. Sorry guys, I’m not like that, I’m going to stick w/ my morals…N E Way…think of the ISP in this situation, they don’t want to get sued, and if they do, they’ll pass that bill right on to their customers. Bit-Torrent is notorious for illegal content, and until there is a standard protocol that LEGAL content is transfered on, they’ll keep blocking it. It’s simple ethics and business tacticks, don’t get screwed, cuz you’ll have to pass it on to your customer (or whoever’s below you in the business chain.)…that’s my thoughts…visit me on alex.sluiter.us (i know…it’s not fully up yet, I’ll get what i can on there asap) peace all…

  • Dimagus

    The upload rate with comcast has never been super, they tended to focus on download rate over anything else. Personally I’m not seeing that much of a difference, my dl/ul rates even on semi-old torrents are still within tolerable limits.

    Using Utorrent 1.6 (build 474) with outgoing packet encryption, port 80 for incoming connections, and the IP/Hostname reported to tracker is Google’s :D So that might have something to do with it.

  • Hamster

    “Just because you pay 49.99 for a 1.5-3.0mbps connection doesn’t mean your entitled to use whatever protocols you wish on your ISP’s network”

    LoL, I wonder when they will get pissed at TCP/IP then… :roll:

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  • Xiata

    @Alex S
    * First a bit off-topic but…
    “[...]site is very open and atheist, and thinks that everything is ok and moral. Sorry guys, I’m not like that, I’m going to stick w/ my morals[...]”
    Won’t let this slide, sorry. Atheists, agnostics, etc; all have morals as everyone, with exception to sociopaths, know what is right and wrong– they are part of society so they accept (or not) the rules of society. It is very disrespectful of you to regard people as not having any morals. Besides, if they didn’t have morals, would they hesitate to harm you? I mean, without morals, is it wrong to kill? Do not assume people that do not subscribe to your favorite deity or way of life are immoral or amoral. Please be respectful.

    … anyhow back on topic.
    The job of ISPs are to provide access to the internet. The content that passes through their lines is of no concern to them. If they inspect the contents of their lines they lose common-carrier status and become liable for content that is on their lines. That being said, morality has absolutely nothing to do with this– they are just trying to find ways to reduce their own internal bandwidth costs to maximize profit. P2P and other video services are /expensive/ to handle as they will use whatever bandwidth is available to them. Because Comcast is unwilling to supply enough bandwidth for the demand, the quality of service for heavy-use nodes degrades with each additional P2P/heavy-use user on that particular node.

    Who’s at fault here? Both comcast and the user. P2P does have its legitimate uses, but come on, how many people do you think are /really/ is using it legitimately /all the time/?

    I must say though, I have and often use BitTorrent for legitimate uses and the blanket banning of it is obscene. What do I send via BT? Application packages, updates, source packages, etc. I find it better than using a single download host, and Comcast or anyone else cannot convince me otherwise– 80kb/s

  • Xiata

    … 80kb/s < 3.3mb/s.
    Sorry for the double post but this apparently doesn’t filter the greater-than or less-than signs properly. Probably doesn’t filter html either.

  • Timon

    This is a load of shit. Bittorrent can be used in situations not involving pirating, and it saves a hell lot of bandwidth from the site too. If more ISPS start doing this, we’ll start a strike. First off, no seeding means no uploads, no uploads mean no or less downloads.

    Lemme guess, stop downloading too huh? Yeah, that’ll be “swell”. We like wasting bandwidth, don’t we…….

  • Charbax

    Do this, find a few dozen sources of legal BitTorrent distribution systems like Vuze, make a nice list. And contact your politicians and the media.

    ISP’s can perfectly add a few fiber optic connections to the different backbones. Using the full bandwidth is what everyone should be doing.

    The conspiracy is that ISPs don’t want to move from ADSL/Cable to Fiber to the Home, and they don’t want to move from 3G to 4G. They think it’s nice to make huge sums of money on old technology, so through their monopolies, they slow down innovation.

    In other countries then the USA, people have unrestricted 100mbit/s connections with near unlimited multi gigabit peering between bandwidth providers. Every new house and building should get a fiber optic cable included by law in the construction, it costs nearly nothing to pull a fiber optic connection to every new home, just as every new home should only be constructed if it respects energy concervation principles in terms of saving energy.

  • Arqentus

    Xiata:

    “Who’s at fault here? Both comcast and the user. P2P does have its legitimate uses, but come on, how many people do you think are /really/ is using it legitimately /all the time/?”

    Let me point to the recent case of the BBC iPlayer.

    “Leading UK internet service providers (ISPs) are warning they may have to restrict customers’ access to the BBC’s new iPlayer service unless the corporation contributes to the cost of streaming videos over the internet.

    Internet companies such as Tiscali, BT, and Carphone Warehouse have raised concerns that the iPlayer, which allows viewers to watch TV shows over the internet, will put too much strain on their networks if it becomes popular among a mass audience.

    Streaming TV shows takes up a lot of bandwidth and could clog up the network, severely slowing internet access speeds at peak times. …”

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/e6d0e9d0-4934-11dc-b326-0000779fd2ac.html

    And there are several more involving YouTube, Joost, and other services being blamed for the saturation of the net besides other p2p ( legal or not ).

    The fact is, most ISP’s still have a 10 year old attitude. Lets advertise 1Mbits, no, 3Mbits, no 10Mbits. Big numbers sell well. But, when people start using there connections at a high percentage, then the backbone infrastructure of the ISP’s drops like hell.

    And they have only one answer to it. Blame the user, blame the company’s providing the bandwidth “wasting” content. I don’t give a rats ass if company’s like to make profit by overselling there products.

    When a ISP claims 3Mbits, and a high percentage starts to use there lines, they have no right! to complain, block, or do other shit. Its there job! to provide the “tubes”, and if they don’t evolve with the growing need of the net, trying to maximize there profits, well … We see the effect.

    And don’t give us that “but its expensive to upgrade” line. Most ISP’s around there are offering the same service they offered almost 5 years ago. Thats 5 years worth of time to upgrade. A time where 1GB of bandwidth was expensive as hell, to peanuts now. And they better stop wasting money with those anti p2p system they buy. The effect is, encryption, vpn’s etc are going to become more & more commonplace in order to deal with ISP’s like this.

    Its the ISP’s job to upgrade in order to deal with the growing demand of online services. Cheap ass tricks like this only hurt a ISP in the long run. Because it opens up market area’s for new ISP’s to step in.

  • vystral

    And what of the people who use bittorrent for legitimate means???

    Way to drop the ball, Comcast. I’ll stick with my Usenet.

  • PornZits

    I disagree that Bit-Torrent is mostly illegal. In fact, most Linux distros are passed around via Bit-Torrent. Much open source software is distributed via this protocol as well. The illegal activity is mostly Microsoft software and audio/video.
    *
    It’s possible that the Linux folks may have a case against the Comcast creeps.

  • anonymous coward

    What about switching ports?

  • ha!

    It’s funny how ignorant everyone in this thread is.

  • sam

    thanks the iptables worked on busybox/ssh on the wrt54G router. just remember that there’s double dashes not the unicode before DPORT and TCPFLAGS

  • Sam

    This is really sad when you consider that 99% of Internet communication is p2p in the technical sense. Shaping traffic like this limits approved peers to the likes of youtube, sony, google, ebay, amazon, yahoo, sears, etc… This is not good for the common citizen. The Internet is fundamentally a point to point network and that’s why we love it. Any point to point (or person) protocol, including http, can be used to pirate lame music. Time to start using ssh for everything.

  • anonymous coward

    I hope they are openly advertising this service to their customers. Because if I was one of them I would be pissed. I mean it’s our bandwidth we can do what we want.

  • Alex

    I can’t imagine this is the kind of publicity and good feedback that they want, (and I’m not sure how much of the US they offer their services in), but Cox has been nothing but great since we got broadband five years ago.

  • dlkj

    Would super seeding help? I believe this makes you appear as another ‘peer’ instead of a ‘seed’ although you already have the entire file.

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  • mike1mb

    i think that Ponce’s comment is perhaps the best way to battle this legally. Comcast can be broken just as AT&T was in the 80′s. When the rights of another business are involved the governing body tends to move in the direction of the most money, but at some point they can be directed toward public benefit.

    [quote comment="148317"]Seems anti-competitive to me… Comcast sells internet access. They also sell video subscriptions, charging extra for on-demand and PPV movies.

    If I’m paying to DL a movie from a legal subscription service that uses the bittorrent protocol, and it’s blocked, that’s anticompetitive behavior designed to get me to use Comcast’s services instead of the competitors.

    Dorkbags. Grrr.[/quote]

  • The 8472

    This is hardly news, we already listed it in our wiki 2 months ago:
    http://azureuswiki.com/index.php/Bad_ISPs#United_States_of_America

  • Dan

    [quote comment="148298"]I fucking hate Comcast. I need a new broadband provider. God fucking damn it, this fucks my day over.[/quote]

    Ben, I’m with you bro. I use Linux and always keep a ssh port open so I can remote into my box if I want to look at pr0n at work.

    I always end up with a connection reset these days.

    As for my BT story.

    Comcast, Ft.Lauderdale.
    I can upload fine WHILE downloading. Once my download is finished I can’t seed for shit.

    So I usually just end up maxing out my upload when I do download so hopefully I get the 1.0 share ratio before it dies.

    Guess I better start testing thing.

    I think I’m gonna make a comcast-sucks.com website in the near future.
    So lets all band together and bitch!

  • lolcomcast

    Gotta double check, but since I have state enforcement on my OpenBSD firewall I think I’m dropping these foreign RSTs by default.

    Comcast will have to spoof the IP too.

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  • George Tirebiter

    Lazy bitfield doesn’t help and encryption doesn’t help either. For some reason, files with a lot (more than 20) peers seed much better than those that have few peers. It’s not as good as before they started pulling this crap, but it’s enough to keep my ratio from plunging.

    I can’t believe the people who are defending this. They want me to pay big bucks for a net connection that promises high speed; they just don’t want me to use it. Can Qwest really be worse than this?

  • Neo

    People love to control other people, it’s human nature. If you gave someone a lot of power, there’s a 90% chance they’d use it to benefit themselves and screw everyone else. Comcast is out to make money, just like all the companies that make the software you pirate. They want to stop you from taking their little piece of the pie and don’t care how they do it. So, unless you gain some kind of control yourself, you’re stuck eating what other people want to feed you. That’s the human race, deal with it or get out of the way.

  • Chris H

    Just encrypt the data transfer within the Bit Torrent client. It causes the CPU to spike a little more, but the ISP cannot track what is going in and out of your comp…

  • Mike

    “If an ISP has issues with the amount of data a customer is transferring, then the ISP needs to address that issue with that customer, and not restrict every user in one class of traffic.”

    Or, more realistically, if an ISP has a problem with it, the should *Disclose* that restriction in their advertising and to new customers. But they won’t because they know consumers won’t like to hear: “*Comcast internet service is not ycompatible with networked games, Usenet, BitTorrent or other P2P services” That doesn’t sound like a selling point, does it? So instead, the obscure their real policies and the unsuspecting consumer finds out long after they’ve signed up. Sounds to me like a deceptive trade practice (kind of like what Comcast is doing in MD by requiring people to “opt out” of their insanely one-sided dispute resolution/mediation contract clause).

  • George Tirebiter

    Chris H.

    Encryption. Doesn’t. Work.

    Oh, and if you call, CSRs are either kept in the dark or lying through their teeth. They’ll tell you they don’t know what you’re talking about.

  • hi

    just change your DNS

    Mwahahaha

    Extremaly easy

  • Tsu Dho Nimh

    From the description of Sandvine, it enforces torrent parasites … downloads via BitTorrent are OK, but if the downloader decides to give back to the community for that file, they get shut down. Only Comcast recipients from that user’s up-torrent are OK.

  • Uncle Spellbinder

    I’m with Comcast (Atlanta area). Cannot seed anything. The party is over. Considering that there is generally only one choice in a given ares for cable and cable internet, changing ISP’s is not an option for me. Seems my torrenting days are over.

  • JOw

    [quote comment="148281"]I am as of today the 17th of August a Comcast cable internet subscriber. I’m not sure if this is affecting all Comcast or possibly untrue, but I am currently downloading/seeding without any issues. I seed on timer where day,early evening hours i upload at 32kb/s and late evening early morning at 64 kb/s and have done so for almost 2 years on a 24/7 basis with no problems from Comcast for doing so. I’ve up’d over 500 Terabytes this year so far, and that’s just in bitorrent traffic. I still use my net connection for games and surfing/email as well on top of this. I live in a smaller area so this may be the reason we aren’t affected. I can’t say anything bad about Comcast as of this time period. I had issues with sprint/earthlink dsl and their crap speeds before this but comcast has been reliable and almost always higher than rated speeds.[/quote]

    Thats now true. 500 terabytes is impossible in less then 250 years with the speed you are quoting.

  • Click170

    First of all, stop using the phrase “ISPs reserve the right to traffic shape”.

    ISPs do not have a RIGHT to control diddly squat for any packet leaving MY line. I provide them with money in the agreement that they provide me with a delivery method and routing for my packets, nothing more.

    I do not believe that my ISP performs traffic shaping on our business connection, but if I ever suspected they did, I would respond aggressively, rightly asserting that it is a heinous breach of my privacy and personal security for them (My ISP) to read any higher than Level 3 in the OSI Model, as well as the privacy and security of anyone using my connection.

    I understand that many of you live in the United States and as such, will live out the rest of your existences without knowing true freedom. For this I am sorry, and I believe there is no hope for any of you receiving the service that you are paying for because none of you are willing to pick up the phone and call your ISP and ask questions and demand answers.

    Just imagine if everyone who came across this posting clued in and demanded that ISPs stop breaching your privacy by reading above the Layer 3 layer. If the consensus in the technical community was such that to traffic shape was a heinous breach of privacy, trust, and personal security, then ISPs would be barred from doing so by law.

    Some people know these laws as Net Neutrality.

    It’s amazing what apathy will get you these days. Loss of respect from your peers, diminished sense of self, and even George W Bush for President two terms in a row.

    Just a Canadians 0.2c/CA

  • anonyfgt

    Uh, the Valve platform STEAM uses BitTorrent protocol for its content downloading part. I’ve gotten a lot of people talking to me about how they can’t download/extremely low download rates for STEAM. Isn’t Comcast breaking some sort of law if they are stopping people from downloading the games they spent money to buy?

  • anonyfgt

    [quote comment="148765"]Uh, the Valve platform STEAM uses BitTorrent protocol for its content downloading part. I’ve gotten a lot of people talking to me about how they can’t download/extremely low download rates for STEAM. Isn’t Comcast breaking some sort of law if they are stopping people from downloading the games they spent money to buy?[/quote]

    Correction, Comcast users can’t download/extremely low download rates.

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  • Jv

    I’m on a mac, but my router is connected to a windows machine. can someone please explain how to use either ipfw or iptables? i’m desperate! I can’t upload for more than 10 seconds until comcast bumps my P2P connection, and my ratio has been sufferbing because of it. Thanks for the help you guys.

  • Uncle Spellbinder

    [quote comment="148737"]Just encrypt the data transfer within the Bit Torrent client. It causes the CPU to spike a little more, but the ISP cannot track what is going in and out of your comp…[/quote]
    Does NOT work.

  • Jack

    Comcast is evil- it is that simple. I would have canceled my service a long time ago had Comcast been my ISP. I understand some people have no other options for high speed internet access. In my view dialup surpasses high speed when an ISP beging putting restricitons on the line. These are severe restrictions. People need to contact Comcast and complain and then cancel the service. If I were up to it I’d start a class action lawsuit for deceptive practices.

  • Balkin

    I am using Comcast of Beaverton, Oregon.

    I’m using Azureus with full RC4 (no fall backs and crypto port extension set) and I’m routing all my tracker communications through The Onion Router. I’m not seeing any major slowdowns in leaching/seeding popular .torrents (1000+ peers).

    There has been a recent mysterious inability to connect to peers as of late. Usually when I first start up a .torrent. But, it clears up after the first 10 minutes or so. Then I get full throttle.

    OFF TOPIC: It’s also important for all of you in the U.S. to visit all .torrent related index sites (isohunt.com, for example) with The Onion Router for your anonymity. I say this because of recent court decisions to require some web sites – like TorrentSpy – to disclose their connection logs to the MPAA/RIAA gang. And also make sure you are using Safepeer and/or Peer Guardian 2. Take care =)

    -Balkin
    St. Helens, OR

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  • John

    Try this to seed: With Bitcomet (sorry utorrent doesn’t have all the features needed) recheck a finished file but stop it at 99.9%. Then set the file to seed only so it never downloads the last .1%.

  • Lee

    [quote comment="148330"]does anyone know the ipfw equivalent for the iptables command:

    iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT ,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP

    i’m running osx, and i’d like to give it a shot.[/quote]

    ipfw add deny tcp from any to any 54367 in tcpflags rst

    Replace 54367 with whatever port you are using for your bittorrent client.

  • Brandon

    I used to have an ISP called Adelphia but then Comcast bought them out almost a year ago. Ever since then service has been horrible and my internet speed is down.

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  • Killswitch

    I am with Comcast and haven’t really noticed a difference yet. This will suck, because alot of the material I share with Bittorent isn’t copyrighten, its alot of family videos I share of my daughter. My cousins do the same, its pretty much the best way to share a few months worth of video to stay in touch. If Comcast starts to hit my connection, I will leave them.

  • d00msay3r3

    [quote comment="148757"][quote comment="148281"] I am currently downloading/seeding without any issues. I seed on timer where day,early evening hours i upload at 32kb/s and late evening early morning at 64 kb/s and have done so for almost 2 years on a 24/7 basis with no problems from Comcast for doing so. I’ve up’d over 500 Terabytes this year so far, and that’s just in bitorrent traffic. I still use my net connection for games and surfing/email as well on top of this.
    Thats now true. 500 terabytes is impossible in less then 250 years with the speed you are quoting.[/quote]

    Sorry my bad. I must have had a brain fart while typing this. I meant 500 gig’s. But then maybe you too should reread what you type before criticizing next time.

  • Jv

    [quote comment="148807"][quote comment="148330"]does anyone know the ipfw equivalent for the iptables command:

    iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT ,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP

    i’m running osx, and i’d like to give it a shot.[/quote]

    ipfw add deny tcp from any to any 54367 in tcpflags rst

    Replace 54367 with whatever port you are using for your bittorrent client.[/quote]

    So I used the command in terminal “sudo ipfw add deny tcp from any to any 54367 in tcpflags rst” (with my port number). what is this gonna do, and can i change this back if need be? i don’t even know what i just did and if it’s working yet. it seems to be doing something… i’m seeing green smiley faces for the first time in months in azureus…

  • Scott

    [quote comment="148694"]… Cox has been nothing but great since we got broadband five years ago.[/quote]
    I have Cox too, and it’s great here (I’m in the DC area): fast upload and they’ve never complained to me about using it. And I love them more for every story I read about a different ISP doing something lame like this…

    The reason Comcast gets away with this shit is they have no competition; Comcast users can’t switch ISPs unless they move.

    I’m lucky enough to live in an area with both Cox cable and Verizon FiOS. Cox service, which was already pretty good, got even better when FiOS came into town (I remember my upload cap tripling one day). Competition is good, folks.

  • Wwwildthing

    If you want the facts instead of hype or speculation, read Sandvine’s whitepaper…

    http://www.sandvine.com/general/getfile.asp?FILEID=16

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  • Steve

    I’m using Comcast with Azureus. I have noticed no problems with seeding. It works just fine

  • Anonymous

    I’ve read the white paper. Reading between the lines, it looks like they’re intercepting the communications with the tracker. Anyone affected should tunnel tracker communications over Tor and see if it helps.

  • George Tirebiter

    Thanks for the white paper. It’s amazing to me that these guys thought we wouldn’t notice our seeding being screwed with so dramatically. It looks like Sandvine sold this to Comcast as being a painless way to limit bandwidth. All of you who are similarly afflicted should contact them and threaten to walk. At the prices they charge, I’m sure they make money off of even heavy P2P users. Max upload speeds aren’t that fast to begin with. Now that this has been on Slashdot, maybe they will get enough complaints to make a difference. Please do your part.

    BTW, it looks like popular torrents seed better because you pick up new peers as fast as the old ones are dropped. It doesn’t max out my upload bandwidth, but it sure helps.

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  • Ravensfire

    [quote comment="148763"]First of all, stop using the phrase “ISPs reserve the right to traffic shape”.

    ISPs do not have a RIGHT to control diddly squat for any packet leaving MY line. I provide them with money in the agreement that they provide me with a delivery method and routing for my packets, nothing more.[/quote]

    Wow – you ARE a moron, aren’t you?

    Read your agreement with them, and see just what you agreed to let them do to you.

    Sorry, the tube of vaseline isn’t included.

    – RF

  • Evan

    I’m not surprised that Comcast is doing this. They have a pretty long history of not giving you what you payed for. Thankfully, Speakeasy DSL has been a fantastic alternative. I can saturate my upstream bandwidth for weeks on end and not hear a word from them. It costs about $100 for a 3.0 down 768 up connection, but you get exactly what you pay for.

  • Tate

    Jesus. About five people out of all you posters actually have a clue. How utterly pathetic the rest of you are.

    Go ahead and keep living in your little dream world where it costs “peanuts” for an ISP to add more WAN bandwidth, or to split a fiber node, or to deploy another RT. All it takes is a *small handful* of abusive users to be able to consume all the available bandwidth on ANY network. That includes LAN’s, broadband, you name it! Bandwidth is a commodity, not an endless resource.

    Another thing that no one here knows or seems to be capable of understanding is the incredible load that thousands of simultaneous connections from each P2P user can place on an ISP’s routers and switches. This shit is expensive, and having to replace it once a year instead of once every five years does not make providers happy.

    I know you all think that your ISP is somehow on a mission to defraud you of your money, and that they don’t want you to download pirated movies and whatnot. The truth of it is, at least from my experience, ISP’s don’t give a shit what you’re doing as long as it doesn’t impact other users on the network. They can’t be held responsible for you torrenting Sopranos, so stop thinking that they’re out to get you. The same exact thing applies to ISP’s that forbid users from running their own servers.

    PLEASE, do a little research before you continue pissing and moaning about how unfair your ISP’s practices are!

    FUCK!

    - Tate

  • Patty

    Twice in the past 24 hours my Verizon FIOS connection has gone dead. Checked System alerts and no sign of any internal event.

    What in heavens name do they think people are using high speed connections FOR?

    Verizon keeps trying to sell me their TV service but I get all of the TV shows I want to watch via BT.

    Sometimes I wonder if they really have ever thought this whole high speed thing through.

  • awkronym

    so my room mate downloads/seeds and this is why i keep getting disconnected while playing WoW?

  • Blaz

    Wow, after reading this article and responses, I really am happy to live on another side of Atlantic ocean, where the bandwidth is cheap and there is no such thing as a “traffic limit”.

    Guys, move to Europe :)

  • Matt

    Can any of you give me some pointers on where to enter this using DD-WRT on a Linksys router?

    iptables -A INPUT -p tcp –dport $MY_BITTORRENT_PORT –tcp-flags rst rst -j DROP

    Do I do it via SSH or through the web interface Administration->Commands?

  • funchords

    > Can any of you give me some
    > pointers on where to enter this
    > using DD-WRT on a Linksys router?

    Do not bother. It does not work unless both sides of all (or at least most) of your peer connections also block RST-flagged packets.

  • Rich K.

    [quote comment="148283"]
    Funny. Then don’t oversell the lines.
    [/quote]

    That’s how the “lines” are run, and will continue to be run.

  • Rich K.

    [quote comment="148970"]Jesus. About five people out of all you posters actually have a clue. How utterly pathetic the rest of you are.

    Go ahead and keep living in your little dream world where it costs “peanuts” for an ISP to add more WAN bandwidth, or to split a fiber node, or to deploy another RT. All it takes is a *small handful* of abusive users to be able to consume all the available bandwidth on ANY network. That includes LAN’s, broadband, you name it! Bandwidth is a commodity, not an endless resource.

    Another thing that no one here knows or seems to be capable of understanding is the incredible load that thousands of simultaneous connections from each P2P user can place on an ISP’s routers and switches. This shit is expensive, and having to replace it once a year instead of once every five years does not make providers happy.

    I know you all think that your ISP is somehow on a mission to defraud you of your money, and that they don’t want you to download pirated movies and whatnot. The truth of it is, at least from my experience, ISP’s don’t give a shit what you’re doing as long as it doesn’t impact other users on the network. They can’t be held responsible for you torrenting Sopranos, so stop thinking that they’re out to get you. The same exact thing applies to ISP’s that forbid users from running their own servers.

    PLEASE, do a little research before you continue pissing and moaning about how unfair your ISP’s practices are!

    FUCK!

    - Tate[/quote]

    This is quoted for truth.

    [quote]
    ISP’s don’t give a shit what you’re doing as long as it doesn’t impact other users on the network
    [/quote]

    Also, qft^

    See you in the ether…^d

  • Lee

    [quote comment="148857"][quote comment="148807"][quote comment="148330"]does anyone know the ipfw equivalent for the iptables command:

    iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT ,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP

    i’m running osx, and i’d like to give it a shot.[/quote]

    ipfw add deny tcp from any to any 54367 in tcpflags rst

    Replace 54367 with whatever port you are using for your bittorrent client.[/quote]

    So I used the command in terminal “sudo ipfw add deny tcp from any to any 54367 in tcpflags rst” (with my port number). what is this gonna do, and can i change this back if need be? i don’t even know what i just did and if it’s working yet. it seems to be doing something… i’m seeing green smiley faces for the first time in months in azureus…[/quote]

    Since you just typed it at the command-line, it will reset on reboot. I wouldn’t recommend messing around with ipfw manually unless you know what you are doing. Here’s a tutorial for you:

    http://www.freebsd-howto.com/HOWTO/Ipfw-HOWTO

  • Jim

    Too many people assume erroneously that most P2P traffic is illegal. As one example of a high volume, LEGITIMATE use of P2P, consider the sharing of lossless audio files among music fans. These files are legal recordings made at concerts with the permission of the performing bands (e.g., Grateful Dead, Dave Matthews, Govt Mule, Phil & Friends, John Mayer, Widespread Panic, etc.). They are also, for the most part, shared via a lossless compression format (primarily flac or shn files), which means that when uncompressed, the files retain all of the data, and therefore audio quality, of the original recording. A typical 2-3 hour concert will require approximately 1GB of storage media capacity. Consequently, it is very easy for fans of these “jambands” to acquire hundreds of gigabytes, if not terabytes of concert recordings, all of which can be and are actively and legally shared via P2P. If I’m not mistaken, this was the original point for the development of Azureus/Vuze.

    To put this in perspective, if any of the same concerts were converted to mp3 format, the storage capacity required for the same 2-3 hour average concert would roughly equal 100 MB.

    If you want some idea of the volume of concerts circulating legally, go to the music section of the Internet Archive, which also offers these same files for download via browser downloads. If you don’t want to do that, just think about how many Deadheads there are, and how many concerts the Dead played over 40 plus years, and that each year there are another group of teenagers that become Deadheads and just HAVE to HAVE that music.

    Lots of LEGAL torrent files and filesharing, none of which anyone’s ISP has any business interfering with.

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  • George

    Tate you gobshite know what you’re talking about, right? Are you running an Internet Service? Are you a chadband lawyer? Are you an anti-share cunt? Blimey, people like you just make me sick.

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  • dataduden

    Low capacity ISP?
    Any possibility to change?

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  • jmnugent

    Tate:
    You make a good argument about shared bandwidth and how bandwidth-hogging p2p software impacts other users, HOWEVER.. I still fail to understand how its *MY* fault that using the bandwidth I signed up for affects other users. *I* didnt build the (shared) infrastructure. If you cant provide a reliable 5mb pipe, then dont advertise a 5mb pipe. (and dont be subversive by filling your advertisement with small “fine print”.. that smacks of “used car salesman” tactics)

    As far as high speed connections go,.. I certainly think tiered pricing and “a la carte” model would be much more fair and reasonable. If nothing else it would certainly get people aware of how much bandwidth they use, and to think more carefully about choices they make downloading. The only reason we’re so freaked out about an option like that is because we’ve been dealing with such a broken system for so long. Its very similar to gasoline prices rising due to market changes.

    All things considered, we new a new broadband model (end to end gig+ fiber-optic). Our digital infrastructure seems to be in about the same shape as our bridges :)

  • jmnugent

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4188/is_20060327/ai_n16179217

    Comcast CEO Brian Roberts salary in 2005 was 12.8 MILLION dollars (salary, compensation and other perks)

    in 2004, his salary was 9.4 million.

    “Roberts also entered into a four-year employment contract expiring in 2009 that gives him an annual base salary of $2.5 million, which may not be lowered unless it’s part of a plan to cut pay of senior executives. He also gets bonuses and other perks.”

    I recognize that businesses need to make money, otherwise they wont be in business. But you also dont need to pay your CEO 12 farking millions dollars a year.

  • PJ

    Wow what a CRAP page design! Black letters on a black background! Unreadble. Try again and do it right.

  • tmpdude

    [quote comment="149035"]> Can any of you give me some
    > pointers on where to enter this
    > using DD-WRT on a Linksys router?

    Do not bother. It does not work unless both sides of all (or at least most) of your peer connections also block RST-flagged packets.[/quote]

    ummm that is not correct as far as I can tell since comcast is only doing this to their customers on their network. So all the other peers world wide not on comcast are not facing this issue so this will let you connect to them and stay connected.

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  • Uncle Spellbinder

    [quote comment="149187"]Wow what a CRAP page design! Black letters on a black background! Unreadble. Try again and do it right.[/quote]

    ???????????

    What page? This page is fine. The link directly above your post is fine. What are you smoking?

  • Sum Yung Gai

    [quote comment="148523"]“iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT ,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP

    is the solution, and soon torrent clients / peerguardian and alike hopefully implements it for windows aswell =)”

    Is there any way to get this to work on a windows network through ICS with a server instead of a router??[/quote]

    Yep. Use Linux instead. I’m running Kubuntu (Ubuntu that looks more like Windows), and it’s great.

  • Sum Yung Gai

    [quote comment="148770"]I’m on a mac, but my router is connected to a windows machine. can someone please explain how to use either ipfw or iptables? i’m desperate! I can’t upload for more than 10 seconds until comcast bumps my P2P connection, and my ratio has been sufferbing because of it. Thanks for the help you guys.[/quote]

    Glad to help. Here’s your solution:

    http://www.kubuntu.org

    That’s what I use. I was a MS Windows user for years before I switched. You can do all sorts of neat things with packets (including BitTorrent packets) with Linux that Windows simply doesn’t let you do.

    Oh, and your virus threat goes way down, too, as a nice side benefit.

  • Matt

    if I find that comcast is throttling my home connection when I get back from travel on monday, they will be getting more than just nastygrams and lost business.

  • David Kaspar

    [quote comment="149329"]if I find that comcast is throttling my home connection when I get back from travel on monday, they will be getting more than just nastygrams and lost business.[/quote]

    VD? :-)

  • Adisharr

    Tate has some good points but I can’t help thinking he works for the RIAA.

    Try Usenet people – Bittorrent is dead for me.

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  • dg

    I can still seed to non Comcast ips so maybe you have to be flagged as heavy user or something.

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  • renegades

    My Comcast upload speeds have gone into the crapper in the last week. I pay Comcast $70 a month for 8.0 mbps downloads and 756 upload speeds. Since Comcast has pretty much eliminated file sharing on their network, i downgraded my service to 4mbps at $56 a month until i find a new provider who believes in growing a network to meet demand not stifle existing connections to minimize traffic on their network. I hope Verizon Internet access is available in my area (sales office closed today), if not i will go with Dircttv and AT&T access with 6mpbs download 756mpbs uploads at only $34.95 a month. That is one half of what I am currently paying Comcast who won’t let me file share. Why would anyone need 8mpbs 768mpbs High Speed Access for $70 if you can’t file share. To download emails faster? Come on. I am sort of glad Comcast pissed me off, it force me to look at other isps in my area and realize potential savings of $35 a month or $400 a year. More and more legal sites are using bit torrent to sell movies and music downloads, yet obvioulsy Comcast refuses to recognize this fact. Hollywood has alreay started a few bittorent sites to sell current movies but on a comcast network. these sites won’t have any comcast seeders.
    Again, if you have the $70 comcast package change to the 56.00 package. You won’t tell the difference. In the meantime look for another ISP – Verizon is rated the best. Go with them. Screw Comcast I hope they lose a significant number of users this quater. I bet Comcast sales revenue the 4th quarter of 2007 will be lower than the 4th quarter of 2006. If we can make this happen and force Comcast stock to take a dive on wall street would be sweet revenge.

  • koozy

    [quote comment="148970"]Go ahead and keep living in your little dream world where it costs “peanuts” for an ISP to add more WAN bandwidth, or to split a fiber node, or to deploy another RT. All it takes is a *small handful* of abusive users to be able to consume all the available bandwidth on ANY network. That [/quote]

    Tate, you’re right that all these things are expensive, but ISPs (all of them) keep saying they’re upping their bandwidth to astronomical levels. If they can’t do it, then they shouldn’t advertise it that way.

    They should advertise Minimum Upload and Download rates. There is absolutley NO excuse for me to be unable to upload to etree (ok 1.7kb/s).

    There’s no excuse for saying that upstream is now raised to 512kbs, when A) you can never EVER get that rate and B) you can’t get even get the 384kbs they were advertising before.

    I don’t mind prioritizing, but advertise up front what the minimum is, so I can make an informed decision. Advertising up to 1.2 Gigabytes Upstream (in microscopic print it says if everyone in the world, aside from you, is knocked off the internet) is just a lie. You’ll never EVER get it. I’ve never gotten 5 or 6mb downloads. I’m lucky if I can hit 2mb (even in the middle of the night).

    My experience with Comacast is not good. I’ve had them in 2 different states, and they were awful the first place and here they were so-so until the last few days.

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  • renegades

    This is what I think happen. Comcast has been growing its internet service not by attracting new customers but by buying their competitors. By doing so, there debt is at a all-time high of about 29,000,000,000. They can’t grow the network because they don’t have the money to pay for the expansion. Comcast has oversold its network. It has too many coustomers and not enough broadband width. So if you can’t expand, you start limiting traffic on your network. Also, since Comcast sells on demand video, bittorents are a threat to that business. Comcast tries to contol internet content by preventing their customers to seed certain files so the bittorrent dies a quick death. If people can’t get their videos anymore from the internet, those fools at comcast believe they will sign on to On Demand services. However, most customers will not roll over and comply, and will sign up for another ISP.

    Also just look at Comcast financials. This is one company I would not invest in. Even their emplyoees are not to eager to buy the stock at reduced prices. Fair value of a share of stock was 7.30 in 2006 down from $8.67 in 2005, so even though revenues increased the acquistion costs were even greater.

    They have what Comcast calls Goodwill which is the excess of the acquisition cost of an acquired entity over the fair value of the identifiable net assets acquired. “Comcast evaluates
    the recoverability of goodwill annually,” blah blah blah.

    It sounds like they are making up assets by calling goodwill an asset of 14,000,000,000. It is determined by the difference in what they paid for a company and what its true value is. So if the company is worth less than what they paid for it would be counted as a goodwill asset. Sounds like vodoo accounting and I think Comcast spend a lot more than those comanpies real value. $14,000,000,000 too much.

    They can’t change users behavior once habits are formed. People aren’t going to stop file sharing and sign up for Comcast in Demand. The internet has a much much better variety of videos than on demand will ever have.

    I found out today, My parents are also dropping comcast not because of file sharing but becaise those advertised speeds, they never got over 1 mpbs from comcast even though they were promised 6. They like me has found comcast not to be user friendly. So screw them – hope their revenues go into the tank for the third and fourth quarter.

  • acakesits

    I have comcast and have had nothing but problems lately, not just with torrents, but in general. Torrents especially, I can connect to users, but get no download/upload at all.

  • MICHAEL JOHNSON

    CAN WE ALL SAY CENSORSHIP

    TIME WARNER ROAD RUNNER HAD FOR 5 YRS
    ZERO PROBLEM PERFECT UP TIME AN CUSTOMER SUPPORT ZERO PROBLEMS
    4 MONTHS OF COMSPASTIC FIRST 4 WEEKS OF CABLE TV PROBLEMS THEM MY NET DIES EVERY FEW HOURS OF USE MAN I LOVE THESE PEOPLE IM THINKING OF JUST INVITING THEM OVER TO SHOOT ME THE PAIN WOULD BE A LOT QUICKER TO REMOVE
    IS VERISON FIOS NOT ANTI AMERICAN LIKE THESE A HOLES – THIS IS INTER NET TERRORISM SO MUCH FOR WHAT THE INVERNTORS OF THE NET INTENDED IT THAT WE ALL LOVED SO LONG OPEN COMMUNICATION SO MUCH FOR MEET GREET EXPLORE SHARE AND GROW NOW ITS GET PAYED THINK WE ALL NEED TO FUND REARCH TO ANOTHER PLANET AND ALL MOVE THEIR THIS ONE IS GOING TO HADES IN A HAND BASKET ALLPOLITICAL PARTYS ARE NOW BIASED RICH OLD GOATS
    AND BAGS WHO IF LEFT TO DEAL WITH WHAT WE ARE NOW DEALING WITH DUE TO THEIR IGNORANCE THEY WOULD WAKE UP.

    VERIZON HERE I COME IF YOU OFFER NO BS PRIVACY TO YOUR CUSTOMER WHO PAYED YOUR SAL

  • Alex

    I am tired of crap like this I get an advertised up to 5.0MB/s and I dont even get near 700Kb/s thats bull crap and now Comcast is throttling P2P f them. But then again verizon is fing crazy too i get a 1.5MB/s line for the same price that I get the comcast line at.

  • Alex

    Also How does one even get 700KB/s on bittorent? I have never gotten more than 250kb/s on my 5mbit line.

  • Nigel Martin

    Well, My Comcast service now doesn’t work at all – for even the web or email. It just stopped when downloading a torrent, and will not work either way – any bright ideas before I call them to cancel?

  • Chris

    3 mbps / 8 = 375 kbps jackass

  • Morosoph

    This is such a shame: Cache Logic is the customer-friendly way to manage bandwidth; my own ISP (Virgin Media, formerly NTL World) uses it.

    http://robert.accettura.com/archives/2004/06/02/isps-should-run-bittorrent-caches/

    Clearly, Comcast’s behaviour here begins from a mentality of punishing criminals. The fact that they’ve bought in a technical solution for packet detection shows that it’s not technical difficulty that has led them to eg. simple throttling. Rather, Comcast want to combine punishment with lock-in (since one can seed to Comcast’s own customers).

    Greed and a desire to police has led to this result. This kind of throttling could lead to the creation of several internet islands, for it is the beginning of packet discrimination. The ISPs have their holy grail in sight: the aim of controlling both the user and the media.

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  • Quinn

    Confirmation of Rogers Canada traffic shaping:
    http://iqdupont.com/blog/?page_id=19

    Canada has so little ISP competition that they can traffic shape, admit it, and still get away with it.

  • funchords

    [quote comment="149194"][quote comment="149035"]> Can any of you give me some
    > pointers on where to enter this
    > using DD-WRT on a Linksys router?

    Do not bother. It does not work unless both sides of all (or at least most) of your peer connections also block RST-flagged packets.[/quote]

    ummm that is not correct as far as I can tell since comcast is only doing this to their customers on their network. So all the other peers world wide not on comcast are not facing this issue so this will let you connect to them and stay connected.[/quote]

    I did the original testing that found this issue (see the link at the bottom of the TF article) and I did try that test, specifically ( see http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18726009- ), but if you have findings to the contrary — that’s great! Please double-check and confirm. Like I said in the above post, it does seem to keep the connection from dropping, but then it becomes clear that no bytes are moving on that connection.

  • funchords

    The quoting of the above comment got all screwed up, but you get the idea: my testing shows the linux ‘iptables’ trick ultimately fails.

    For everyone using Windows XP:

    I wrote a guide for Comcast users on how to test whether, and how much, you are being affected by this problem.

    Please visit this page http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18901881-#18901881

    The page explains how to test for it manually, and also gives you a Windows XP batch file that can automate the testing.

  • TCV

    “Just because you pay 49.99 for a 1.5-3.0mbps connection doesn’t mean your entitled to use whatever protocols you wish on your ISP’s network without them provisioning it to make the network experience good for all users involved.”

    Well… gee… If I pay $50 for 1.5-3mbps… shouldn’t that be exactly what I get? If your network can’t handle it, it sounds like it is time to upgrade, or to not charge such high prices for a service that you can’t fully provide.

  • Riskable

    Ernesto is correct. The only real way to get around this problem is with a VPN or ssh (where you’d run a command-line bittorrent client).

    Messing around with your firewall rules isn’t going to help much. The server still gets sent an RST packet as if it came from your client and Comcast can still kill the connection in other ways.

    Best to sign up with a service like https://vpnout.com

    Then you don’t have to worry about traffic shaping, cut connections, your ISP spying on you, or getting legal notices from aggressive cartels.

    -Riskable
    http://riskable.com
    “I have a license to kill -9″

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  • matt

    so I had a conversation with comcast which went like this: do you use a router? do you have a firewall running? do you use antivirus? do you have port filtering? is it a public tracker? did you try a different port? Could there be things installed you don’t know about (in my mind: WTF?)

    Their excuse “This is an unsupported issue” my response: “if you’re reducing speeds on downloads thats a comcast issue”
    response: it’s not comcast there could be a software issue with the bittorrent program.

    I have the audio recording of the entire conversation, so please let me know if you’d like it. I recorded it for quality assurance purposes, as comcast explicitly allows by calling them.

  • matt

    everyone needs to just bombard comcast like the nuts for jerico thing =)

    http://www.nutsonline.com/jericho

    i would be interested in hearing that audio recording of your call with comcast. i’m sure digg would love it too.

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  • scott

    [quote comment="148283"]

    If you sell a 3Mbits line, then you need to be sure, it can handle 3Mbits when everybody is using 3Mbits. They oversell like hell. Overselling = profits. And if people use to much bandwidth, then lets just throttle whatever application they are using.

    [/quote]

    I guess the all the net provider bastards took one from the POTS folks. Reason why you cannot place a call when everyone else is trying during a large event / disaster? The POTS system is built only to handle one out of about four to 15 customers using a line at once. I guess that is the reason for all the false advertising in broadband, and everyone couldn’t have 3MBs at once.

  • Jay

    I dont mind if I cant upload because my ratio got fucked whilst using original bittorrent at demonoid by I cant even download, my internet just drops.

  • Matt

    There is too much money for this problem to get solve in a ‘fair’ manner in the US. While the public play for network neutrality plays out, the real players prep for the eventuality that the curtain will fall and that the FCC theater will have no real bearing on reality. Hearing hte situation in Canada is disheartening as well.

    My personal opinion is that we as individuals need to look at setting up our own wifi networks using the same tech being considered to create brandband networks where there is no infrastructure. (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070329/113707.shtml)

  • Kandango

    I tried in utorrent 1.6.1, setting the Protocol Encryption: OUTGOING, as FORCED. And i noticed that a brazilian ip is downloading one of my linux isos. And the connection hasn’t interrupted its been about 10 minutes straight. Maybe they are not able to knock down fully encrypted connections? If this is the solution, or part of it, i hope in the next utorrent releases and azureus releases the clients come with forced or enabled encryption as default.

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  • IrishJim

    “Funny. Then don’t oversell the lines.

    If you sell a 3Mbits line, then you need to be sure, it can handle 3Mbits when everybody is using 3Mbits. They oversell like hell. Overselling = profits.”

    Overselling = Better prices for users. If they were to makes sure a line could handle everyone using max bandwith all at once like you suggest, you would literally be paying 5-6x as much. You’re the type of person that would bitch and moan about that also. People like you can never be satisfied. If you want what you’re suggesting, buy a T1 line. Too expensive? Then shut the fuck up.

  • Michael

    [quote comment="148304"]Use Hamachi to establish giant secure virtual lans on the internet. Its free, cheap, easy.

    I personally have the “bogomip” network with a private password using the Hamachi servers. I use that for my personal home to work VPN, took maybe 5 minutes to set up and get working.

    If torrent sites would use hamachis P2P encrypted VPN techniques to make a large virtual lan exist, they could privately host their own websites on private networks – outside of the public eye.[/quote]

    This is what that nullsoft guy was talking about when he made waste before he quit. Your right. Large private encrypted networks are the way to go.

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  • ivan

    I’m on Comcast in San Francisco. Three or so weeks ago my upload went to near 0/kbs. Now I know why. I use BitTorrent rarely, but it’s an important application to transfer large graphics files between workgroups. I understand the ISP’s grief over a few users using an outsized amount of bandwidth, but why not just cap total transfers?

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  • Ton80

    Yes, I’m one of those affected now.
    Two different torrent sites for bootlegs are now affected. Y and TTD.

    Chattanooga, TN.

    GRRRR! at least there are still dc++ hubs.

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  • Elderon

    First of a few issues with some of the posts people are making. You all know that when you pay for 6mb or 8mb or however fast your service is rated for that it is in megabits not megabytes so your only really gonna get ~500-800k/s MAX not 6mb/s as some of you seem to think.

    That said I don’t mind if I can’t have true unlimited bandwidth BUT and this is a big but, then DONT ADVERTISE AS UNLMITED. I would be ok if they said your cap is 200gb a month and then your throttled. They don’t though. They proudly announce unlimited so thats what I expect. Dont give me this BS about then go with a dedicated T1 line. Yeah i know thats dedicated bandwidth. The point is they are using deceptive advertising practices.

    Would I switch isp’s over this? Sometimes I wish I could unfortunately Comcast is the defacto monopoly here. It’s comcast or dialup.

  • jroc

    RCN used to throttle but now they dont. Try RCN. I had to dump Comcast too earlier this year.

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  • Triduc

    Comcast is a Content Provider like Rogers they Provide and manage the Content, Get an Internet Provider that does not do Content and you will be fine in most cases

  • Arik Jones

    Throw Minneapolis, MN (Fridley, MN) in the mix. Either suuuper slow or just nothing at all. Its sad. Throttling blows!

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  • Thomas H

    Stories like this scare me , I’m glad norwegian ISP’s dont do this , and that monthly download limit was cancelled some years ago. On the other hand we pay more for less compared to our neighbour country Sweden. But when I hear stories like this I can’t complain.

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  • Scott

    Any company these days that thinks it can keep up with the solutions of collective intelligent internet users in the market is a fool. There will always be a solution for the “bandwidth hogs” to exploit. First we could change the ports, then it’s SSH and VPN. There is always a way.

    How long have the music industry and film industry been trying this? How many new piracy protections and lawsuits will it take before they understand? Give people all of the facts, and let the market determine the winner. Don’t suck people in and then pull the carpet out from under them. Don’t make people pay 11 dollars for a movie to find out how terrible it is. Don’t expect that people are going to pay the same price or more for music they download as they would pay at a store for the physical album and the cover art. Don’t treat people like peons, when we buy something tangible (such as a CD or movie), don’t fight us for the rights to own that piece of the greater mass production of the art completely.

    The same goes for ISPs, when we pay for something, either make it well-known what we are buying, or give us what you made us believe we were paying for. Looking a little less evil might actually help with those people who believe they are entitled to all you can give them because you are taking all you can from them in exchange.

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  • DB

    I am a comcast suscriber and upload with near to no problems. I use a wireless router that is connected to before the comcast modem. Maybe that helps? Perhaps connecting straight to their modem is what is allowing them to do this? I’m not sure and am not a internet traffic/network pro, just my 2 cents.

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  • Mike

    Comcast is always doing stuff to piss off their customers….though I have Comcast I have not noticed any problems with my seeding or downloading.

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  • bt-user

    “iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,-dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT -,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP”

    Doesn’t work. My seeding starts ok but I am still disconnected fairly quickly from the other client.

    Using Kubuntu / utorrent / wine

  • H Pac

    I don’t know if this has anything to do with the seeding problem that some are experiencing, but I live near Cleveland, OH and there was a segment on the news this weekend about vandals cutting a major internet trunk in Cleveland, trying to steal copper wire. Bet they were pissed when they realized fiber-optic isn’t made of copper! Anyway, it said that this trunk line was an ultra-high bandwidth line owned by a company that leased the bandwidth to Time Warner and Comcast. They said the line routes from NYC through Cleveland, Washington D.C. and Chicago. Like I said, I don’t know if this helps, but the time-frame fits, so I thought I’d throw it out there.

  • Justin

    If this happens to me at suddenlink, I will instantly close my account and never look back. Its up to me what I do with my money and bandwith.

  • no

    For idiots who think that Bit Torrent is only used for copyright infringement (not “illegal” — nothing “illegal” about them — they just infringe on someone’s copyright)… World of Warcraft distributes their patches via bit torrent.

    Besides, there’s such a thing as common carrier safe harbor laws which prevent providers from being sued for what end-users do. Duh.

  • Dimorphios

    [quote comment="148281"]I am as of today the 17th of August a Comcast cable internet subscriber. I’m not sure if this is affecting all Comcast or possibly untrue, but I am currently downloading/seeding without any issues. I seed on timer where day,early evening hours i upload at 32kb/s and late evening early morning at 64 kb/s and have done so for almost 2 years on a 24/7 basis with no problems from Comcast for doing so. I’ve up’d over 500 Terabytes this year so far, and that’s just in bitorrent traffic. I still use my net connection for games and surfing/email as well on top of this. I live in a smaller area so this may be the reason we aren’t affected. I can’t say anything bad about Comcast as of this time period. I had issues with sprint/earthlink dsl and their crap speeds before this but comcast has been reliable and almost always higher than rated speeds.[/quote]

    You are so full of shit dude. Time to go back to math class. Even if you where running at 64K/s all year round non-stop with no breaks that only comes out to 1.88094091415405 TB/year… yeah lets see… 1.9TB vs 500TB… hmmm… STFU.

  • BillyBond

    download big shit at night, your ISP will thank you.

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  • mikey sinclair

    leave it to comcast to literally f–k their loyal, paying clientel in the proverbial ass. I am pissed. This violates our rights and freedoms. Goodbye comcast. I hope you like losing paying customers.

  • chrosi

    [quote comment="151434"]“iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,-dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT -,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP”

    Doesn’t work. My seeding starts ok but I am still disconnected fairly quickly from the other client.

    Using Kubuntu / utorrent / wine[/quote]

    Dropping the RST packets on my BT port has worked well for me, and previously it was impossible to seed. I even turned off encryption.

  • bt-user

    [quote comment="152159"][quote comment="151434"]“iptables -A INPUT -p tcp ,-dport $TORRENT_CLIENT_PORT -,tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP”

    Doesn’t work. My seeding starts ok but I am still disconnected fairly quickly from the other client.

    Using Kubuntu / utorrent / wine[/quote]

    Dropping the RST packets on my BT port has worked well for me, and previously it was impossible to seed. I even turned off encryption.[/quote]

    Actually it does help some. Some torrents are dropped right away, some seem to seed fine. It did improve my upload speed, but it is still not as fast as it used to be.

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  • darkstar1964

    just tried to post 2 excellent comments but it wont let me

    more comcast crap

  • darkstar1964

    this is my 4th time trying to post…
    oh and the 1st and 2nd where good.
    now alls i got left in me is,……..

    FUCK YOU COMCAST …YOU COMMUNISTIC PRINCIPLED BASTARDS!!!!!!!!

  • darkstar1964

    OF COURSE that one goes thru!
    ok i apoligize for that!
    your forum sux….how about an explanation where 1st timers can find. none of this black letters on black crap…none of this guessing where to put your e-mail add.

  • Stephan

    There’s no question that ISPs need to make money in order to stay in business, and that some customers are more profitable than others. That being said, the pricing model being employed by ISPs is incredibly primitive, and reflects the fact that the US broadband market is effectively a duopoly.
    My parents’ ISP is Cox, and they pay $45 a month to write a few emails, download pix of the grandkids, and to do the NYT crossword online. I pay Comcast $45 a month to telecommute, use Skype, Vonage, videoconference, and watch movies and TV shows. I live online, and pay as much as someone who pays occasional visits.
    That’s asinine. In much of Europe, consumers can choose between a half dozen service providers, and those service providers generally offer tiered pricing plans–fast data rates (via ADSL 2+ or VDSL), but say, a 2 GB per month data limit for $15 or $20 per month. Perfect for my parents. $25 to $30 gets you fast broadband, and an 8 GB cap. And for $50, you get a fast pipe with no limits.
    There’s no reason network operators can’t price based on usage, and thereby generate the revenues they need to upgrade their networks to handle growing traffic volumes. However, in an duopoly market where two big service providers in every city want to cram a stinkin’ “triple play bundle” down everyone’s thoat, there’s not a hell of a lot of incentive to do so.
    I’m rooting for anyone who is looking for a way to sell me a moderately fast (1 Mbps is more than enough, ’cause most servers stream data at way less than that), dumb pipe. But I don’t think I’m going to find any viable providers real soon.

    Fight the power.

  • darkstar1964

    im figuring this out …every other post is black on black. thats why i thought my 3rd post didnt come up…i can not see the black on black …at all…its just a black feild…no matter how close i look at it. how stupid is that???
    hope u didnt pay the genuis who came up with that idea….whoa…no wonder you guys do what you do their. must be a whole group of genuises there.

  • from taiwan

    I don’t what what others have seen, but I have always found that in the USA when I run bittorent or emule my bandwidth for surfing slows down to about dial up speed with dsl, and it still slows down with comcast cable. When I was in Taiwan I had adsl, I used to be able to surf the web, use emule and bittorent at the same time and still have good speed on all my downloads.

  • from taiwan

    http://www.cht.com.tw/CHTFinalE/Web/Personal.php?CatID=376
    This is what Chunghwa Telecom in Taiwan charges for different types of servive. All amount are in Taiwan dollars. 1usd = 33 twd

  • darkstar1964

    what i started out saying before is simply screw comcast if it does not want to provide full service to their cusromers.if they want to simply provide partial service ,then i’m sure others could give us all of what we pay for , not just half! VERIZON IS GREAT!!!
    VERIZON dsl kicks butt and is probably cheaper in cost as well!
    they provide full service. VERIZON is excellent! they don’t attempt to interfere with loyal customers service. or interupt users enjoying a legal usage of internet services!
    did we wake up in the U.S.S.R. this morning. comcast will probably go the way of the other bankrupt cable providers anyway!
    hope their stockholders all relize this before its too late.
    and me…i’ll advise freinds ,family, and buisness accociates of mine. i’m a union electrical contractor in the L.A.,Ca and Vegas area. and my all my builder freinds all respect my advise! while i’m fishing , eating ,drinking and being merry with my buisness associates i,ll remind them NO on comcast!

    YES ON VERIZON

    did i mention VERIZON?
    NO…not a VERIZON rep….just a satisfied customer.

    VERIZON IS GREAT!!!

  • Joe Franklin

    Perhaps on Monday, September 10th, any Comcast customer who is unhappy with their service…should call and complain.

    On Monday, September 10th, during business hours, for example.

    Perhaps you know someone else who is unhappy with this practice which reduces us all to leeches and freeloaders.

    Pass the word on.

  • Nougat

    Try QoS. I swear it works. Other people need to test and verify.

    http://digg.com/software/Possible_solution_to_Comcast_bittorrent_throttling

  • Anon

    [quote comment="148304"]Use Hamachi to establish giant secure virtual lans on the internet. Its free, cheap, easy.

    I personally have the “bogomip” network with a private password using the Hamachi servers. I use that for my personal home to work VPN, took maybe 5 minutes to set up and get working.

    If torrent sites would use hamachis P2P encrypted VPN techniques to make a large virtual lan exist, they could privately host their own websites on private networks – outside of the public eye.[/quote]

    Exist already ;)

  • nobody

    [quote comment="152286"]what i started out saying before is simply screw comcast if it does not want to provide full service to their cusromers.if they want to simply provide partial service ,then i’m sure others could give us all of what we pay for , not just half! VERIZON IS GREAT!!!
    VERIZON dsl kicks butt and is probably cheaper in cost as well!
    they provide full service. VERIZON is excellent! they don’t attempt to interfere with loyal customers service. or interupt users enjoying a legal usage of internet services!
    did we wake up in the U.S.S.R. this morning. comcast will probably go the way of the other bankrupt cable providers anyway!
    hope their stockholders all relize this before its too late.
    and me…i’ll advise freinds ,family, and buisness accociates of mine. i’m a union electrical contractor in the L.A.,Ca and Vegas area. and my all my builder freinds all respect my advise! while i’m fishing , eating ,drinking and being merry with my buisness associates i,ll remind them NO on comcast!

    YES ON VERIZON

    did i mention VERIZON?
    NO…not a VERIZON rep….just a satisfied customer.

    VERIZON IS GREAT!!![/quote]

    Douche, #1 Learn how to spell. #2 Just because you had bad experience don’t tell others to go to slower service.. cable modem vs. dsl

  • zheetos

    As a Comcast customer, I was really surprised when I first read this entry last night. In the few days since this entry was posted, I have had no problems seeding, though now I fear Comcast might pull this crap on my area (San Jose, CA) soon.

  • KG

    One of the affected in the Boston, MA area. The iptables trick does not seem to work.

    Ordered Verizon FIOS yesterday. Install date in first week of Sept. So two more weeks of hell.

  • d00msay3r3

    [quote comment="151685"][quote comment="148281"]I am as of today the 17th of August a Comcast cable internet subscriber. I’m not sure if this is affecting all Comcast or possibly untrue, but I am currently downloading/seeding without any issues. I seed on timer where day,early evening hours i upload at 32kb/s and late evening early morning at 64 kb/s and have done so for almost 2 years on a 24/7 basis with no problems from Comcast for doing so. I’ve up’d over 500 Terabytes this year so far, and that’s just in bitorrent traffic. I still use my net connection for games and surfing/email as well on top of this. I live in a smaller area so this may be the reason we aren’t affected. I can’t say anything bad about Comcast as of this time period. I had issues with sprint/earthlink dsl and their crap speeds before this but comcast has been reliable and almost always higher than rated speeds.[/quote]

    You are so full of shit dude. Time to go back to math class. Even if you where running at 64K/s all year round non-stop with no breaks that only comes out to 1.88094091415405 TB/year… yeah lets see… 1.9TB vs 500TB… hmmm… STFU.[/quote]

    If you’d spend more time reading and less time being an asshole you’d see I answered this once in post #83. I meant gigs NOT Tb’s. I made a mistake when making the connection between brain and fingers.

  • bathat

    Here is a method that worked for [i]me[/i] to get around this seemingly-impenetrable barricade. I had created a free shell account and was using an HTTP proxy in combination with encryption. My client (rtorrent) doesn’t support SOCKS, so I tried to socksify the application, but I couldn’t get that to work and I was only able to upload on one torrent with all the others unable to connect to the tracker.

    The user at http://forum.utorrent.com/viewtopic.php?pid=269426#p269426 provided an excellent suggestion that just so happened to work for me. I was fairly certain it would not.

    Just set the port range to 40,000-50,000 or any other sufficiently high range. I’m uploading at max speeds now!

    I’m still using encryption but it may well work just the same without it.

    I hope this comment helps out other people. I sure am happy to have finally resolved this issue.

  • Camden Miller

    I don’t think Comcast has a right to do this, mainly because there are many companies that use torrents as a main source of data distribution. Debian is an example of this.

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  • realish

    The central point here is that the broadband business is incredibly uncompetitive in the U.S. Where I live, I can choose between Qwest DSL and Comcast cable. Qwest’s service is shitty and I can’t even get the high-speed package where I live.

    And now Comcast is fucking with my bittorrent uploads. What am I supposed to do? As a consumer, I have no recourse.

  • fishy

    I don’t understand why, but as an earlier post said changing the dns to something other than Comcast’s seems to fix it for me. Very strange

  • Dia

    I can understand the saturation issues Comcast is facing. Yet I can also understand the fact that many companies utilize BT for their products as do I to distribute my work (photographer).
    To uniformly blanket the entire network with their throttling methods is not only wrong, it should be illegal.
    P2P is not illegal. BitTorrent is not illegal. What they need to do is focus on individuals who use the most bandwidth and address the issue on an individual basis.
    Many people, myself included, use the BT network for completely legal reasons and now since we are not able to, feel as if Comcast is breaching their own TOS by not providing us the services which we are paying money for.
    I am now looking into Bellsouth DSL, the only other broadband provider in my area. The speeds are not as fast as Comcast, but at least they actually let their users upload.

  • John

    [quote comment="148281"]I am as of today the 17th of August a Comcast cable internet subscriber. I’m not sure if this is affecting all Comcast or possibly untrue, but I am currently downloading/seeding without any issues. I seed on timer where day,early evening hours i upload at 32kb/s and late evening early morning at 64 kb/s and have done so for almost 2 years on a 24/7 basis with no problems from Comcast for doing so. I’ve up’d over 500 Terabytes this year so far, and that’s just in bitorrent traffic. I still use my net connection for games and surfing/email as well on top of this. I live in a smaller area so this may be the reason we aren’t affected. I can’t say anything bad about Comcast as of this time period. I had issues with sprint/earthlink dsl and their crap speeds before this but comcast has been reliable and almost always higher than rated speeds.[/quote]

    You are full of cr@p. 64kbps*60*60*24*239 = 1.3tb
    At thats IF you don’t throttle to 32kbps. So you were over exagerating by 500times. You are close but haven’t even reached the monthly transfer that most people get cut off with.

  • cherry

    this stinks im at college now and the dorms have a cutt off rate at 2gb up/down a week and the only other option is to get comcast and now that i have comcast i cant even use it for what i want to use it for my upload is next to nothing after leaving any torrent program run for an hour verison fios is the way to go for any one who can switch

  • bill

    cry me a f-cking river ISPs. You charge for a service and I f-cking intend to USE WHAT I F-CKING PAY FOR.

    Oh so you just want me to send you a payment everymonth and not use your service. wouldn’t that be just peachy for you?

    This sh|t is almost as bad as verizonwireless

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  • T3h1337

    [quote comment="148454"]If you exceed your quota, you are sent to a “fast enough to browse the web and read email” “penalty box” until your last-60-minute usage drops below your quota.
    [/quote]
    I work for a UK ISP listed as a bad ISP by Azureus, but this is exactly how our throttling works, only usage is measured in 240 minute increments and reset when it drops below. I can tell you ISPs do oversell and if it were up to me, I’d have customers pay for bandwidth rather than shape those who might legitimately need it. Heavy torrentors sucking up resources who are willing to buy the bandwidth would be paying a fair amount for their use, allowing infrastructure upgrades to handle them. It’s not trivial to do such upgrades but I feel it’s necessary with ever increasing high bandwidth content,

    I’d say our throttling scheme is fair, unlike Comcast’s, but I think ISPs in general are setting themselves up for a bandwidth crisis if they keep going this direction, as throttling can only go so far before even the e-mail users get unhappy and demand is not decreasing,

    btw, that RST flag you Comcast users are dealing with is just shitty policy, I encourage everyone even outside of Comcast to do this(trivial for helping your fellow Comcast peers), which applies it to all ports.

    # iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m tcp –tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP

    This is better as it will stop incoming RST to all ports, since not all connections are established on your listening port. The problem is that Sandvine sends one to the user and one to the server(aka your peer). So this could work nicely if the peer blocks them too. Get the word out, The ISP I worked for looked at Sandvine and I studied it as they did so, but thankfully the wigs here found it an unethical and user-imposing tool, unlike their ad propaganda would have many believe.

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  • John Cook

    Perhaps the solution is to have those of you capable of effective programming and with a distinct knowledge of this difficulty, program against it and produce a Defender P2P Net from a location where you are more likely to be free from attack–as in Sierra Leon (considering an intelligent person would actually live there)

    This could be a server designed to feed the world for a minor price, say $2.00 a month, which would support not only the system, but positive growth.

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  • eatnaders

    Whoever wrote this article is smoking crack. Comcast uses Sandvine for deep packet traffic analysis. I am a Comcast customer and my torrents are seeding and leaching great. Get the facts before you post shit like this dude.

  • nikhil

    can some1 tell me the command that i am supposed to use in ubuntu…because when i type the command above in the terminal it doesnt work

  • Honeyko

    Bandwidth-consumption arguments are total BS propaganda — this is about KILLING BITTORRENT by murdering the torrents, pure and simple.

    If it was about bandwidth, they wouldn’t let millions of people browse YouTube for hours on end, as opposed to the much, much smaller pool of people who P2P over bittorrent.

  • sflow

    could someone explain where i put the iptable command under the tomato firmware? Is it under scripts? Thanks.

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  • Phil Michaels

    I personally contacted my ISP in regards to throttles I could see being set on my file sharing activities. Their response was to review their policy page.

    I really don’t like where this is headed and I had a friend who had the same problems, but when he connected to his works VPN account there was no problems.

    So I got a VPN account at the same place :) http://www.strongvpn.com

    They say its Gigabit speed but I don’t know how I can tell, I’m not that fast on my home connection. But when I’m on it.. it’s no problem for my P2P activities.

    It’s $15 a month though, is there anything cheaper out there?

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  • iampal

    VPN accounts may help indeed.
    The only problem is that you have to ask if they are torrent-compatible.

    I had a cheap vpn provider before, but torrents didn’t work. Now with strongvpn – everything works properly.

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  • tommys

    anyone here in this thread from Eastern Washington ??? Or around Spokane… contact me…interested in this thread … 509 459 5492

  • Lana

    I have comcast and have two computers on WOW at least 4 hours or more a day Even more on weekends. A XBox 360 live going a good part of the day and my own dl of music and pother graphoc and game related downloads. i have yet to gfigure just how much we use however thankfully knock on wood No letters have arrived i do worry though that it will happen where i live is realy limited to the services in my area that are offered.

    Umm by the way have you ANY idea how hard this site is on my eyes :0)

  • Enough is Enough

    https://vpnout.com/

    One way to shield yourself and fix the problem. The kevlar of the internet, keep your privacy safe and your internet service out of your home!

  • Will This Work

    From : http://www.secguru.com/link/comcast_forging_packets_filter_torrents_using_rst_packets

    I dont have much knowledge of Bittorrent protocol, but cant we devise a way to detect that ISP is blocking the client from SEED’ing.

    For example, When the bittorrent client starts up – it sends SEED packets to (lets say) 10 randomly different IP’s. Now, if you recieve RST packets for most of those 10 packets then probably your ISP is blocking from bittorrent SEEDING.

    If your ISP is sending RST packets, then what will happen if you start ignoring those ?

    I believe the connection will remain open for some time based upon your OS ( or this can be set in the client itself ) and then automatically closed as no data was transferred…

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  • Rom

    I just moved to Seattle from Portland. I had Comcast is Portland and could seed endlessly with no problems. Here in Seattle I can seed to some places without problems but the connection gets broken at other places, which I am assuming is compliments of Sandvine.

    Quite frankly I do understand the arguments for limiting bittorrent traffic but I think it should be clear. When I was living in Canada our ISP clearly let us know how many gigs we had per month for uploading. Sure it sucked but at least you knew your limit.

    Sandvine is b.s. and I will more than likely changing ISPs, even if I do have to take slower speeds.

    It seems like Comcast is throttling via Sandvine mainly in large cities, probably because of the bandwidth required to service these areas.

    The funny thing is that the Comcast guy who hooked up my service said in the next 6-8 months Comcast will be moving to faster 16mbps connections.

  • Ryan

    theres a way to get around this but you retards will have find out on your own

  • Bob

    I just tried to download using abc torrent on my comcast here in maryland it would not start at all.

    I downloaded utorrent turned on encryption and it works fine but still not as fast as it used to be.

    I used to be able to download at 500 but no more……

  • Rom

    [quote comment="160842"]theres a way to get around this but you retards will have find out on your own[/quote]

    That is very helpful…Thanks!

  • john mayer

    [quote comment="160842"]theres a way to get around this but you retards will have find out on your own[/quote]

    fuck you mother fuker retard, bastard, stupid, fucking ass hole, i am fucking your mom and girlfriend in your garage.

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  • Seraph

    Well, I tried the strategy that was posted in comment #198 and bought myself a 3 month “strongvpn.com” account for $45 and now my bittorrent downloads work perfectly. True, it’s not the cheapest solution, but it was super easy to set up. I see this as a temporary solution for me until someone else figures out another way in the future.

  • Oblomov

    Well, thanks for the thread guys! I have comcast in MD, and here is what worked for me to increase torrent speeds:

    I Changed DNS address away from Comcast (have no clue why this is having any effect). Currently I have them at Cisco: 128.107.241.185,
    192.135.250.69.
    2. I always had my torrent port(s) in the high range, over 50K, so that may also be helping.

    This basically doubled my torrent downloading speeds and helped out with seeding.

    I am going to play around with ipchains command string through my dd-wrt firmware on the router and see if it helps any (will probably leave it on anyway).

    Oh, and thank you for the Onion Router, safe torrent plugins, and Privoxy suggestions.

    Downloaded Tor package, Squid, and couple other things and configuring them now. I think I am just going to setup another box with Redhat, Ubuntu, CentOS or even, FreeBSD (pfsense maybe).

    I do have a question, for VPN services, what’s better, VPNOut or StrongVPN?

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  • Jeffrey

    You guys are leaving out Cox. Lately my torrents have been suddenly cut off. I was at 98% and it went to 0kb/s. I let it sit for hours and there was no movement in the speed and it never finished. Over the past few days any time I’ve tried to download a torrent file it has gone some but has been cut off before it finishes.

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  • arteros

    Has anyone tried JanusVM to get around comcast throttling?

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  • iampad

    Solution:
    Use firewall to block a peer reset message (RST flag) from the port we used for Bittorrent

    How:
    With wipfw, you can filter a peer reset message (RST flag) with this configuration in “wipfw.conf”
    #########################################################
    # First flush the firewall rules
    -f flush

    # Allow all internal (loopback) network communications.
    add 100 allow all from any to any via lo*

    # Prevent any traffic to 127.0.0.1, common in localhost spoofing
    add 110 deny log all from any to 127.0.0.0/8 in
    add 110 deny log all from 127.0.0.0/8 to any in

    # Drop incoming packets with RST flag on BitTorrent port
    # This is what thwarts Sandvine.
    # Replace 8743 with the port number you use for Bittorrent
    add drop tcp from any to me 8743 tcpflags rst

    # Setup stateful filtering
    add check-state
    add pass all from me to any out keep-state

    # Allow new incoming BitTorrent connections
    add allow tcp from any to me
    add allow udp from any to me
    #########################################################

    You can download wipfw from “http://wipfw.sourceforge.net/”. I currently use version 0.2.8; however, any later version should be good, too. Over last week, I could seed ~10+GB to non-Comcast peers.

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  • Cable Internet

    [quote comment="148283"]“P2P applications can cripple a network, they’re like leaches. Just because you pay 49.99 for a 1.5-3.0mbps connection doesn’t mean your entitled to use whatever protocols you wish on your ISP’s network without them provisioning it to make the network experience good for all users involved.”

    Funny. Then don’t oversell the lines. What about the BBC story, how ISP’s want money from the BBC for shocking there connections because of the high demand for the BBC’s TV player.

    If you sell a 3Mbits line, then you need to be sure, it can handle 3Mbits when everybody is using 3Mbits. They oversell like hell. Overselling = profits. And if people use to much bandwidth, then lets just throttle whatever application they are using.

    We have seen this same problem going back almost 7 years? When a local cable isp advertising 10Mbits, but download limit of 10GB/month. Blaming the “rotten” apple’s for consuming to much downloading “illegal” material. We are 7 years later, and yet, its still 10GB/month ( unless you are willing to pay a hefty 1€/GB fee. Then they sky’s the limit ). Funny, when you can have servers with a 1.5TB limit in the neighboring country for only 19€’s month.

    ISP’s run behind the facts, and refuse to see that p2p, webtv, youtube, and other bandwidth “devowering” services rule these days, and will so in the future.[/quote]

  • Cable Internet

    Well,
    None of the others seemed to respond to the side of the Cable providor. If any of the people are familiar with the working of a cable network or any network to that extent, they would know that the internet “pipe” is not limited in anyway. So really if this data transfer or download is not limited or “shaped” in anyway the pipe would be MAXED out all of the time. This would stop any regular traffic or any P2P traffic as well. If there was no Shaping of any networks, the internet in general for EVERY customer on that connection would be at a stand still. And I know what everyone is thinking… if you need more bandwidth … just get more… well infact it wouldnt matter.. if the pipe was 10meg and your using all 10 if you jumped it to 12 … you would still be using all 12. its a vicious circle. I know Torrent are peoples livelyhood, and I would not want to be stopped in anyway for a service I pay for, in all reality if these Companies were not limiting and shaping data… the havoc would be greater than 20% of customers that use torrents complaining… it would result in the other 80% of the customers calling in and stopping their service because of the other “leeches/Torrent” users taking all bandwidth.
    Any serious questions I would be happy to answer.

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  • SystemGhost

    Do like I do and Hack your cable modem, Run a custom Config with 32Mbps Down and 5Mbps Up, and If that does not work, Set up a ssh connection.
    I am sure as this technology gets more wide spread Utorrent and other p2p programs will be designed to Ignore the rst packets.
    I would have to agree with most of y’all COMCRAP Sucks Ass. We will find a work around, Don’t worry

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  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="148305"]“If you sell a 3Mbits line, then you need to be sure, it can handle 3Mbits when everybody is using 3Mbits. They oversell like hell. Overselling = profits.”

    You are one clueless moron. Why can’t you understand that “up to 3
    **snip**
    Bottom line — ISP’s are BUSINESSES that have EXPENSES and also need to make some form of PROFIT. If you’re maxing out your connection all the time, you’re not profitable, and therefore your ISP should restrict your ass or just cancel your service all together.

    Get a clue.

    - Tate[/quote]

    Tate–as a small business owner, I understand all about the need to stay in the black. And I almost never download.

    Comcast told me I could get everything from them I was getting from Earthlink, only much faster. Then they made that not true and not only didn’t tell me, they actively hid that they were denying me particular services.

    Whether Earthlink stops or has stopped or will stop or might stop offering that access or not isn’t the point. Whether my DSL line finds a way to limit some services isn’t the point.

    Comcast didn’t come out and say, “We have made changes to disallow our users from seeding BitTorrent files.” They just blocked content, and not only tried to make it look like they weren’t, they actively lied about it.

    I can’t ever trust Comcast again not to block content they disapprove of. What if they don’t like my politics? Or my religion? Or my hobbies? Or my sexual preference? What if they think there are sites I shouldn’t be reading/viewing because all right-thinking people know that content is “bad”?

    What if I wanted the services they blocked and wouldn’t have changed providers if they’d been truthful?

    They misled me about their services relative to the services of their competitors, and the only way I know about it is because they got caught.

    They got caught *this time*. Eventually.

    What content that they disapprove of will I never see, and never know I missed, because Big Brother decided it wasn’t good for baby to have it and kept it out of sight, out of mind?

    I have issues with google doing the same thing on searches. If you search on products or vendors to see who’s a dissatisfied customer, Google will deceive you into thinking there aren’t nearly as many critics out there as there are. They allow bad businesses to hide away their critics’ complaints by considering instances of the business’s name a “trademark”. You put up a website warning people you got bad service from SlippinBippy. SlippinBippy tells google your website having their name is a “trademark infringement”. *Poof!* Your site doesn’t show up on Google searches. If I’m checking SlippinBippy’s reputation out before I buy, they’ve just hidden their dirt under Google’s rug.

    Same deception about blocking what you see, or hear, or read, or view, or who you talk to, or what you say. (Seeding is saying–comcast just doesn’t like what you’re saying or how you’re saying it.)

    The difference is, I’m not paying Google any money.

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  • Kyle

    I saw this through yahoo finance, and it brought old tensions back, got me fired up, and I had to post. While in State College PA as an undergrad, Comcast would slow our connection to a HALT. We were unable to ping well to anything, and the customer service REPEATEDLY said they were sending somebody out to “look at our issue” (which was blatantly on their end of the ping results, with a ***), but nobody ever came. We were the only ones in our apartment complex of whom we asked that had this issue. We filed a complaint with the BBB after all of our time wasted waiting for people to come, and a week later (see also:direct response) we received a letter from Comcast’s legal department threatening legal action and termination for downloading with BitTorrent. The only thing impressive about their legal department’s claim against us was that they were able to pinpoint the name of the file somebody on our wireless network had supposedly downloaded (they had time to research that, but to fix our connection). We got about 4-5 of these letters but never stopped using BitTorrent, and eventually, we graduated. This was ~6-8 months ago, so I still feel your pain.

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  • Tigga

    Tate is a dumbass that doesn’t deserve the air he breathes…

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  • tbizzy

    obviously no one in this thing has gotten laid before

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  • Godless Sicilian

    I have comcast service, and lately, my upload speeds have been higher than ever, and my downloads keep getting faster… any ideas?

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  • no one who needs metioning

    i have to say that limitations by ISPs tword bit torrents is not only wrong its totally against the ethics that go along with being in a customer service orientated industry.

    I work and operate in a LEC industry space and i know that we not only promote usage but also use them ourselves and so probably it is safe to say that these very same people who are prosecuting and issuing steep fines are also using these programs.

    I know it sounds weird but is very true. I look at things like this. Before the internet you couldn’t say that 4th graders in the US couldn’t interact and learn from 4th grades in Asia or the middle east for that matter. As a human living in a world or regulatory bodies and institutions i find it offensive that and one would try to limit or control that last FREE frontier.

    The reasonS: politicians get paid to carry out these cases from a group of people who feel they haven’t gotten enough money.

    My Thoughts: Hell with them. I am 24 and live check to check. I can’t afford comcast but i work for a LEC which provides me with bandwidth and a phone. The internet and the things i get off it is my only entertainment and fun. So what they are saying is that “i, an american citizen, cannot persue the best life with what i can afford. Maybe these companies should lower prices and demand and actually act like their customers matter they might see illiegal internet activities stop. The economy is hurting. 1 out of every 88 mortgages is upside down. For those of us ranging from lower middle to middle class, the only way of life right now is a very big grey area. Our fault? i don’t think so. thats just what happens when politians and big companies figure eachother out. Just like Ben Franklin said” our government will eventually rip us of to control everything the can. It is not right that everything in this world be controlled. And it all starts with voting these people down and voicing your opinion because it matters to everyone. Even ISPs. just not every ISP cares. Think about LONG DISTANCE for a second. what is really? it is nothing more then a charge inposed by big companies becuase they can becuase from a operational standpoint it doesn’t cost us anything. Whta my company does is only charge when we are charged. So even though you are calling DIDs in and out of different area codes you pay local call fees. Thinka bout it. if you own the whole network spanning a whole state and it cost you nothing more in overhead to accomplish you service……Y THEN WOULD YOU MAKE YOUR END USER SUFFER BY PAYING FOR IT!!! This is just one of a million shady things that not only ISPs do but also your POWER and WATER companies. THEY DO NOT CARE. What happens if one day an entire city doesn’t pay its bill in protest? i bet they would listen then! Ghandi said it is out privildge to have these (you) as our clients and customers. With out you we wouldn’t exhist, i would have a job.

    Keep Fighting, the internet is the last free space we as people of the world have. I am not going to give that up to anyone and as long as i work in the space i will make sure my company provides safe secure unlimited internet provisions.

    Support your local CLEC if you are lucky enough to have one(those are the guys who are there to compete with BIG MA BELLE)

    I am proud to say that i am not Comcast or At&t or VErizon and will never work for someone who represents what they stand for.

  • no one who needs metioning

    I agree Tate is an idiot kid who doesn’t know anything. **Probably some rich bitch** but to matter. Yes ISPs (be it cble,RF,WI-FI,FiBOP,TDM or of a telco nature. yes we have to make money. my company makes a shit ton. and we don’t limit or rape people or put them into bandwidth “tier” pricing(ie Verizon)3 MB Loop +50$/mo
    7 MB Loop=$150.00/mo

    and plus look at the way they deploy their switches. We use Occam and shoot ADSL 2+ which let me pump 10MB all day long. you get real speed on a dedicated service. Not to spet on your guys toes at this point. COMCAST IS A CABLE COMPANY AND DOES POINT TO MUTIPOINT AGGREGATE…..DSL WILL ALWAYS BE MORE RELIABLE BECAUSE IT IS A DEDICATED PULLED PAIR OF COPPER WIRES STRAIGHT TO THE PREM. SO WE ARE CLEAR… BACK IN THE DAY WHEN YOU ORDERED PAY PER VIEW YOU HAD TO HOOK YOUR CABLE BOX UP TO A ds0 pHONE JACK. tHIS CREATED THE POINT TO POINT COMMUNICATION NEEDed TO COMMUNICATE WITH THE CABLE COMPANY BECAUSE SENDING ANYTHING UP A RIVER WITHOUT A PADDLE NEVER DOES TO WELL.

    To continue also look at you over subscription. There might be entirely to many people to get a stable enough connection to accomplish what in infact need to do.

    CABLE AND DSL are completely different engineering all together. Phone companies will never be as good at cable as the cable companies and the phone companies will never be better at doing cable. Most don’t know all these things however i am in the thick of it.

    Comcast/Cable Speed boost is only achieved when other TV channels(not in use) are shut off to open the pipe a lil more.

    I am not posting my name but will come back to check on any question on this board. leave them and i will answer them as best and as fruitfully as possible.

    In the meantime don’t listen to people like Tate because he

    1. don’t know the business
    2. Probably watch Fox News\
    3. He doesn’t argue both sides of the equations so obviously he is an idiot and doesn’t speak a ounce of geek.

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  • Chad

    “2. Probably watch Fox News\”

    LMAO

    no one who needs metioning i love you

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  • max

    ADD HAMACHI TO THE LIST

  • tate is stupid

    To summary, Tate is claiming it’s okay to ‘advertise’ an item, and not deliver it because it doesn’t make the company money.

    If I were advertise all-you-can-eat buffet, but only allow you one plate because that’s what the ‘average’ user eats, and if everybody ate more than one plate, I’d go out of business. Is my business practice okay? THINK, Tate, THINK (and try http://www.tfd.com if you need help on the word “THINK”).

    What if Comcast decides that an “average” user only receives and sends 10 e-mails a day because their bandwidth only allows for it. Would you be okay with their approach? Again, Tate, THINK.

    If they want to sell restricted bandwidth, then advertise it. It’s THAT simple. They do not get to ADVERTISE 10Mbps and then not deliver as advertise. If I were selling a digital camera like that, I’d be sued out of business. There’s a good reason why monopolies like Comcast need to be regulated.

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  • Anonymous

    [quote comment="148281"]I am as of today the 17th of August a Comcast cable internet subscriber. I’m not sure if this is affecting all Comcast or possibly untrue, but I am currently downloading/seeding without any issues. I seed on timer where day,early evening hours i upload at 32kb/s and late evening early morning at 64 kb/s and have done so for almost 2 years on a 24/7 basis with no problems from Comcast for doing so. I’ve up’d over 500 Terabytes this year so far, and that’s just in bitorrent traffic. I still use my net connection for games and surfing/email as well on top of this. I live in a smaller area so this may be the reason we aren’t affected. I can’t say anything bad about Comcast as of this time period. I had issues with sprint/earthlink dsl and their crap speeds before this but comcast has been reliable and almost always higher than rated speeds.[/quote]

    That was me to. Untill all the damn trucks showed up in my area. I you see them its gunna happen. Try to get them on camera doing the changes on the lines.

  • Lester

    I dont know why everyone one is complaining 90%+ of all the Bit torrent downloads are Pirated Movies / software. it just another for of Keeping the Honest people honest. its like having security at Walmart to keep you from walking in and Grabing a copy of Windows Vista and walking out the front door. you wouldnt do that so why Download something you didnt pay for. its the same thing so everone one on here Complaining about it has been Commiting crime. Heres an Idea Geat a real Job so you can afford to Buy the Software / Movie and Stop stealing it.

  • antitrust and racketeering (RICO)

    This one is really a no brainier gents. Here again, in “The American Experience” we have yet another evil *racketeering* (Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act, RICO) corporate alliance (the telcoms and cable providers) *conspiring* with the MPAA and the RIAA (the political lobbies for the entertainment industry.)

    In comes the filthy dirt bag lawyers like RIAA’s senior counsel Richard Gabriel in Capitol Records v Jammie Thomas and the list of lead entertainment industry racketeers i have posted for your scrutiny below.

    I have learned a great deal about bit torrenting and the related technical aspects from this site and i want to personally thank all of those who have contributed their 2 cents worth and offering your potential technical solutions to the problem.

    However, the issue of indiscriminate throttling of services provided is an action that runs contrary to ISP’s advertised claims and therefore is fraudulant, plain and simple.

    When you sell something, a product or a service, as a business, are required to disclose all of the *material facts* associated with the product or service provided that could **potentially affect the end user’s performance at the receiving end**.

    There is no direct and honest “forthright” disclosure about the limiting or “throttling” of the advertised services. FULL DISCLOSURE at the *point of sale* is the key here and instead what you are seeing is evasive behavior by ISP customer service departments and the ISP technicians they represent, essentially acting as automatons for the MPAA and RIAA. It’s pathetic when you think about it.

    Because of the grand scale of the racketeering effort, it truly then becomes *a constitutional issue* — as willful technical efforts to indiscriminately interfere with bit torrent downloads, constitutes policing and therefore constitutes an unreasonable search and seizure of data streams contrary to the ISP’s advertising and public disclosure.

    Yes, true, it is being done on privately held network entities, although those giant ISPs maintain a monopoly over the big pipes, so therefore it does in fact become a constitutional threat to our society.

    Now we have to rely on the government and the courts (who also cannot be trusted and are controled by K street lobbyists) see to our civil liberties in “net neutrality” not cave in to the evil, thug racketeering corporate power brokers (RIAA and MPAA) who are ultimately beholden to organized crime.

    To condense this all legally:

    What we have here is a willful conspiracy by the RIAA and the MPAA working inside the boardrooms of the telecoms and cable companies to stamp out, *via a technical dragnet*, anyone who shares large files over the web, in order for *the mob* to take control of file sharing, of *perceived unlawful sharing and duplication* of alleged copyrighted material.

    This “fight” reminds me so much of the VCR and Audio Cassette Deck legal wars of the 70′s — when RIAA and the MPAA thugs were suing Sony and Panasonic in order to stop them from producing cassette decks and VCRs that people were using to copy and share movies and music.

    Of Course, the RIAA and MPAA lost in the end, as they ultimately will lose here. Pyrric victories like Capitol Records v Thomas (RIAA recently got a jury to award Capitol Records $22,000 of Ms. Thomas’ hard earned money) is tantamount to the RIAA mob thugs breaking the kneecaps of restaurants and shopkeepers who won’t pay out yearly blood money to the RIAA, in order for businesses to play music (even the radio) over the store’s sound system.

    It’s gangland style tactics and it is once again being revisited here with bit torrenting, via a **conspiracy to collectively defraud end-users of ISPs*** in order for the RIAA and MPAA to collect their “toll money”.

    http://news.lp.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/riaa/index.html

    RIAA Lawyers

    Cary H. Sherman, President
    Neil I. Turkewitz, Executive Vice President
    Dean Garfield, Vice President, Legal Affairs
    Jonathan P. Whitehead, Vice President and Anti-Piracy Counsel, Internet and New Media
    Linda R. Bocchi, Vice President Royalty Administration and Associate General Counsel
    Steven M. Marks, Vice President, Deputy General Counsel
    Denise Incorvaia
    Paul D. Russinoff

    Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)

    Frederick E. Attaway, Executive Vice President & Washington, D.C. General Counsel
    Karin S. Newman, Counsel, State Legislation
    Barbara L. Rosenfeld
    Walid Nasser
    Melissa Beth Patack
    Axel Ausdermuhlen
    William Billick
    Daniel Robbins
    David T. Fluornoy
    Jonathan D. Liebowitz
    Jane Saunders

  • antitrust and racketeering (RICO)

    This one is really a no brainier. Here again, in “The American Experience” — we have yet another evil *racketeering* (Racketeering Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act, RICO) corporate alliance (the telcoms and cable providers) *conspiring* with the MPAA and the RIAA (the political lobbies for the entertainment industry.)

    In comes the filthy dirt bag lawyers — like RIAA’s senior counsel Richard Gabriel in Capitol Records v Jammie Thomas — and the associated lengthy list of lead entertainment industry racketeers, i have posted for your scrutiny below.

    I have learned a great deal about bit torrenting and the related technical aspects from this website and i want to personally thank all of those who have contributed their 2 cents worth in offering your potential technical solutions to the problem.

    However, the issue of indiscriminate throttling of services is an action that runs contrary to an ISP’s advertised claims and therefore is fraudulent, plain and simple.

    When you sell something, a product or a service, as a fair business trade practice, you are required to disclose all of the *material facts* associated with the product or service you are providing to the public, that could *potentially affect the end-user’s performance at the receiving end*.

    There is no direct and honest “forthright” disclosure about the limiting or “throttling” of the advertised services. FULL DISCLOSURE at the *point of sale* is the key here and instead what you are seeing is evasive behavior by ISP customer service departments and the ISP technicians they represent; all essentially acting as automatons for the MPAA and RIAA. It’s pathetic when you think about it.

    Because of the grand scale of the racketeering effort, it truly then becomes *a constitutional issue* — as willful technical efforts to indiscriminately interfere with bit torrent downloads, constitutes policing and therefore is a form of unreasonable search and seizure of data streams, contrary to the ISP’s advertising and public disclosure.

    Yes, it is true, this is being done on privately held network entities, although those giant ISPs maintain a monopoly over the big pipes, so therefore it does in fact become a constitutional and anti-trust threat to our society.

    Now we have to rely on the government and the courts (who also cannot be trusted and are controlled by K Street lobbyists) see to it that our civil liberties in “net neutrality” do not cave in to the evil, thug racketeering corporate power brokers (RIAA and MPAA) who are ultimately beholden to organized criminals.

    To condense this all legally:

    What we have here is a willful conspiracy effort by the RIAA and the MPAA, working inside the boardrooms of the big telecoms and cable companies to stamp out, *via a technical dragnet*, anyone who shares large files over the web, in order for *the mob* to take full control of file sharing, all in the name of *perceived unlawful sharing and duplication* of “alleged” copyrighted material.

    This “fight” reminds me so much of the VCR and Audio Cassette Deck legal wars of the 70′s — when RIAA and the MPAA thugs were suing Sony and Panasonic in order to stop them from producing cassette decks and VCRs, that people were using to copy and share movies and music.

    Of Course, the RIAA and MPAA lost in the end, as they ultimately will lose on this legal front. Phyrric victories like Capitol Records v Thomas (RIAA recently got a jury to award Capitol Records of over $22,000 of Ms. Thomas’ hard earned money). These tactics are tantamount to the RIAA mob thugs who break the kneecaps of restaurant owners and shopkeepers who won’t pay out yearly blood money to the RIAA, in order for their businesses to play music (even the radio) over the store’s sound system.

    It’s nothing more than gangland style tactics and it is once again being revisited here with bit torrenting, via a **conspiracy to collectively defraud end-users of ISPs*** so that the RIAA and MPAA can collect their “toll money”.

    http://news.lp.findlaw.com/legalnews/lit/riaa/index.html

    RIAA Lawyers

    Cary H. Sherman, President
    Neil I. Turkewitz, Executive Vice President
    Dean Garfield, Vice President, Legal Affairs
    Jonathan P. Whitehead, Vice President and Anti-Piracy Counsel, Internet and New Media
    Linda R. Bocchi, Vice President Royalty Administration and Associate General Counsel
    Steven M. Marks, Vice President, Deputy General Counsel
    Denise Incorvaia
    Paul D. Russinoff

    Motion Picture Association of America (MPAA)

    Frederick E. Attaway, Executive Vice President & Washington, D.C. General Counsel
    Karin S. Newman, Counsel, State Legislation
    Barbara L. Rosenfeld
    Walid Nasser
    Melissa Beth Patack
    Axel Ausdermuhlen
    William Billick
    Daniel Robbins
    David T. Fluornoy
    Jonathan D. Liebowitz
    Jane Saunders

  • no one who needs metioning

    Fact is Lester, i and probably everybody has “a real” job. And i am not complaining but the has to be a line drawn between providing a service and regulating it tword the companies favor.

    FACT: Comcast, Verizon, Mediacom, Charter, ATT, etc. are civil utilities and are spose to be there to provide the best service for the best price.

    That is the american way isn’t it? Know what i think? I think that80% of the world wealth is in the hands of less the 20% of the pop. Our Power Companies and Comm. Companies rape us with prices and won’t deliever what you actually paid for. something now a days you can’t live without and instead of looking at it from a ghandi p.o.v. they limit and restrict something they have no right to. The internet is way more then anyone knows. 20 years ago people laughed and said “email” will never work. My own father can’t get by without it now. They only reason they regulate is to make as much money as they can. WHAT ABOUT FREE INTERNET? or the 10$ a month service. Now verizon charges you as much a $40 for a slow 768k/300k connection and its another $70 to upgrade to a 1.5mb/768k. And Fiber….terrobites???? Forget it, fiber is sold sexy and is more expensive then anything. a general lighted 512k semetrical circuit goes

  • no one who needs metioning

    for around $500/mo. you could get a T1 for that price. and then you have to buy a fiber modem for even more money. Fiber terrobites….only makes sense to the “last mile” and or to the prem. sub 8000k/ft you can do up to 50 MB both ways over copper.

    I don’t even think that lester guy knows exactly how much a terrobite is. thats 1,000,000,000,000,000,000kb

    did i forget any zeros? Fact is 10 cities with a pop. density of 20k/ea doesn’t even use that much data, SO WHY IS IT NESSISARY? Sounds like its a “Mines bigger then yours argument”

    My point to all of this is don’t be sheep and come in here to argue that the providers aren’t doing anything wrongand it their right. I work in the competitive telcom space and you have NO and i mean NO idea. As i have said before and will say again, support your local utilities companies. AND VOTE GOD DAMMIT!! :) Changing things like communications and utilites starts at the local level believe it or not.

  • Fenix

    Hey guys I have a real simple solution to get around this fucked up mess.

    1. You can try encrypting your network which might make things go a little slower. How ever this is not recommended for novice users

    2. Use the “Azureus” torrent program that has an encryption tool thats designed especially so comshit does not fuck around. It is built for Linux and Windows however I dont know about mac so you will have to check back with me

    3. Get a friend with a different connection to download your stuff.

  • russ

    If they sell you a certain speed of internet…then you should be able to be max speed for the time paid
    Not use it a little bit then relax till you need it again, you paid for it; you should be able to spend it as much as you’d like.

  • Joe

    Terrabyte – 1024 GB – 1048576 MB – ~1,100,000,000 KB.
    Your typical user of even a fast download speed would take a long time to consume that much downstream data! We’re talking Cable TV over Coaxial-media Ethernet. heh

    1TB/second divided into 2MB/second/connection is enough for 500 thousand users – a considerable amount of homes.

    1TB/second for a year is 31,557,600 TBs of data. I don’t even want to try to calculate an estimate for how much elecricity it took to switch and relay that many bits! ;)

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  • Anonymous

    My Bell Sympatico line gives dependable, consistant 90kB/s ul, although this is much slower in comparision to my 400kB/s dl

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  • Troy

    So to summarize:

    - Comcast charges $50 a month for maybe five channels actually worth watching.

    - Comcast also charges $40-50 a month for “high speed” access

    - But they use traffic shaping to limit users to only 2-3 megabits/second.

    Hmmm.

    This is why don’t subscribe to Comcast (not even for tv; I use an antenna). Yes it’s true that I only have a 3 megabit/second DSL line, but I’m only paying $25 a month too! So I’m getting the same speed as Comcast users, for about half the price.

    Sue.

    Comcast clearly needs to be sued, and the monopoly broken-up. And yes, they are a monopoly. If we can have choice in our phone company and our electric company, then we should also have choice in our TV & internet companies.

  • Troy

    So to summarize:

    - Comcast charges $50 a month for maybe five channels actually worth watching.

    - Comcast also charges $40-50 a month for “high speed” access

    - But they use traffic shaping to limit users to only 2-3 megabits/second.

    Hmmm.

    This is why don’t subscribe to Comcast (not even for tv; I use an antenna). Yes it’s true that I only have a 3 megabit/second DSL line, but I’m only paying $25 a month! So I’m getting the same speed as Comcast users, for about half the price.

    Sue.

    Comcast clearly needs to be sued, and the monopoly broken-up.

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  • Rob Nelson

    The following, if turned into a *.bat file will monitor packet loss. I went from 100% packet loss with RST injectionsComcast servers down to about 6% after updating DD-WRT firewall rules from command.

    *.bat application ****

    @echo off SETLOCAL FOR /F “usebackq tokens=2 delims==” %%i IN (`netstat -s ^| find “Active Opens” ^| find /V “= 0″`) DO set /A CESTABL1=%%i FOR /F “usebackq tokens=2 delims==” %%i IN (`netstat -s ^| find “Passive Opens” ^| find /V “= 0″`) DO set /A CESTABL1=%CESTABL1%+%%i FOR /F “usebackq tokens=2 delims==” %%i IN (`netstat -s ^| find “Failed Connection Attempts” ^| find /V “= 0″`) DO set /A CESTABL1=%CESTABL1%-%%i FOR /F “usebackq tokens=2 delims==” %%i IN (`netstat -s ^| find “Reset Connections” ^| find /V “= 0″`) DO set /A CRESETS1=%%i SET /A TESTCYCLE=0 SET /A TESTMINS=0 cls echo results will begin to be reported shortly, echo please wait or use Ctrl-c to quit… :repeatcycle ping -n 9 localhost >nul FOR /F “usebackq tokens=2 delims==” %%i IN (`netstat -s ^| find “Active Opens” ^| find /V “= 0″`) DO set /A CESTABL2=%%i FOR /F “usebackq tokens=2 delims==” %%i IN (`netstat -s ^| find “Passive Opens” ^| find /V “= 0″`) DO set /A CESTABL2=%CESTABL2%+%%i FOR /F “usebackq tokens=2 delims==” %%i IN (`netstat -s ^| find “Failed Connection Attempts” ^| find /V “= 0″`) DO set /A CESTABL2=%CESTABL2%-%%i FOR /F “usebackq tokens=2 delims==” %%i IN (`netstat -s ^| find “Reset Connections” ^| find /V “= 0″`) DO set /A CRESETS2=%%i SET /A TESTCYCLE=%TESTCYCLE%+1 SET /A TESTMINS=%TESTCYCLE% / 6 SET /A TESTSECS=%TESTCYCLE%%%6*10 IF %TESTSECS% EQU 0 SET TESTSECS=00 SET /A CESTABL=%CESTABL2%-%CESTABL1% SET /A CRESETS=%CRESETS2%-%CRESETS1% SET /A PCTRST=(%CRESETS% * 100)/%CESTABL% ECHO %TESTMINS%:%TESTSECS% – %CRESETS% out of %CESTABL% connections reset (%PCTRST%%%) [Ctrl-c quit] goto repeatcycle

    Router commands ***

    *filter
    :INPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
    :FORWARD ACCEPT [0:0]
    :OUTPUT ACCEPT [0:0]
    -A INPUT -i lo -j ACCEPT
    #Comcast BitTorrent seeding block workaround
    -A INPUT -p tcp –dport 44936 –tcp-flags RST RST -j DROP
    -A INPUT -m state –state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
    #BitTorrent
    -A INPUT -m state –state NEW -m tcp -p tcp –dport 44936 -j ACCEPT
    -A INPUT -m state –state NEW -m udp -p udp –dport 44936 -j ACCEPT
    -A INPUT -j REJECT –reject-with icmp-host-prohibited
    COMMIT

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    As far as i know in the sates verizon DSL doesn’t throttle p2p shareing.

  • sabregator

    Comcast got me. They sent me the dreadded “Notice of Action under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act” email.

    I’m outta here. I don’t like being watched. I encourage everyone to drop Comcast and let’s break up this monopoly. The worst part is losing your freedom…what’s next…actually turning over our information so we can get sued? No thanks.

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    It’s like phone companies restricting your calls. Stupidity!

  • Anonymous

    Aussies have had to deal with this for years, up until now I have been jealous of other countries ISPs. Currently I have a 25g peak and 45 gig off peak limit before we are shaped to dial up speed grr on a 1.5 mb/256kb line of course depending on what I am connected to I can be over limit in 7 days (Usenet is the fastest way lol).
    My previous ISP was similar ( I was loyal for 4 years) but then started charging new customers for uploads!! And even though this never effected me I was so disgusted I took my money elsewhere.

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    [quote comment="315466"]Comcast got me. They sent me the dreadded “Notice of Action under the Digital Millennium Copyright Act” email.

    I’m outta here. I don’t like being watched. I encourage everyone to drop Comcast and let’s break up this monopoly. The worst part is losing your freedom…what’s next…actually turning over our information so we can get sued? No thanks.

    Later f*ckwads[/quote]

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    Comcast called me and told me to stop downloading so much or they will terminate my accout.

    The said their Terms Of Service Agreement gives them the right to.

    They said I was in the top 10 percent of bandwith users which was WAY ABOVE normal.

    Can you believe that!

  • Jeff

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    As of May 17th, 2008 @11:02pm Comcast is still playing games with BitTorrent downloads.

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    It’s like disk drives and how everyone advertises a 280 GB HDD as 300GB HDD. If one deviates and says it’s really 280, they look substandard. This should all be fun to watch.

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