Op-Ed: We Are Not Fighting the Gaming Initiative Nor Should We

By: Rabbi Moishe Indig

On Election Day, Tuesday November 5th, New York voters will find on the ballot an initiative called “Proposal 1” allowing the State to sanction the building of seven Casino gaming resorts throughout the State, including in Sullivan County; the home of many Orthodox Jewish summer camps and vacation homes.

This initiative is strongly supported by the vast majority of elected officials, from local to State Governments, from Liberal Democrats to Conservative Republicans; from Employers to workers. The referendum is extremely important to the New York State Government in general and to County and municipal governments in particular as they desperately need the influx of revenue that these gaming resorts will generate. Governor Andrew Cuomo’s budget office projects that the creation of additional “destination gaming resorts” will yield 10,000 jobs and $430 million in new annual tax dollars which according to a law passed by the Legislature needs to be spent toward schools, property tax relief and aid to local governments.

Having said that, we also know that, we – as Orthodox Jews – don’t condone gambling in itself given the potential downsides that it can bring with it such as addiction, family and financial ruin. But on the other hand we are aware that the Orthodox Jewish Community has 1) thousands of Yeshiva/Kollel students who spend their time studying, 2) thousands of low wage earners, and 3) very large families all in need of Government Assistance. Furthermore, the Orthodox Jewish summer camps are religious institutions that occupy hundreds of acres of land in Sullivan County, with much lower tax obligations than if they’d be occupied by private or commercial entities.

We as a community need to understand that we shouldn’t bite the hand that feeds us. We recognize that the State and local governments that help us in so many ways should have new forms of revenue that they so desperately need to pay their bills which includes assisting the Jewish Community. Furthermore, as part-time citizens of the Catskills, we developed a close relationship with the local and municipal governments and we appreciate the help that they are to us. They are all begging for more funds! As the Jewish principle of “Hakoros Hatov” – showing appreciation to those who are good to you, we should not fight an initiative that would help them. Additionally, our Great Grand Rabbe of Satmar, Rabbi Joel Teitelbaum, fiercely opposed “Hisgaros B’umos” – provoking our non-Jewish neighbors. When we see the financial benefits that the State and local governments are set to gain from this initiative, when we see the millions in property tax relief this will bring to millions of New Yorkers, when we see that the Governor, Democrats, Republicans, employers and unions all back this initiative, we should not be the ones provoking them by actively opposing it. As Jews in “Golus” (Exile) we live at the mercy of the Government. It is therefore against the teachings of Torah and our Sages to impose our beliefs onto the Government.

Let me be clear: Every citizen has been given the right to vote his conscious and what he/she feels is the right thing to do. But to organize a movement against the benefit of our government, on a referendum that will not infringe on our Torah and Mitzvos or on our culture and way of life, is contrary to the way we were taught by our Great Grand Rabbi of Satmar. Better yet, gaming to a certain levels already exists all over New York but Orthodox Jews mostly do not gamble because we don’t believe in it, but others do. We should not be here to change it especially that New York literally losses billions of dollars from the expanded gaming business that existing in the states neighboring New York. These billions can be here in New York and beneffit the very governments and neighbors on whose help and mercy we live.

As for the worries that some people have if we expand gaming in New York, let me address a few of them:

Traffic: For those of you who are concerned about the traffic congestion that the casinos will cause in the Catskills and elsewhere, let me remind you that we are causing the same amount of congestion during the two summer months that we spend in the Catskills! Take a drive up to the Catskills in middle of the winter, and compare the busiest winter day to the slowest summer day. It’s literally two worlds but when locals complain about it, we say that they should appreciate the business that we bring during the Summer. It’s a valid point but why should we not appreciate the business that the gaming industry will bring to the region? Besides, as part of the gaming plan and with the influx of additional revenue, roads and highways leading up the Catskills Region will be expanded. The Industry does not want its customers stuck in traffic.

Crime: Those who claim that gaming will bring a rise in crime should be reminded that local law enforcement agencies – whether it’s the municipal police departments or the Sullivan County Sheriff, or the NY State Police – are all doing a superb crime-fighting job. The influx of revenue that the gaming industry will bring will permit these departments and agencies to expand their forces to secure the safety of the region. It’s for the benifit of the gaming industry, the locals and the state alike.

The Fabric of Orthodox Jewry: Some are concerned that expanding gaming will lure more of our youngsters into gambling, but let’s be honest about it: There are multiple casinos easily accessible to Orthodox Jews in NYC and the surrounding counties yet only a very small percent of Orthodox Jews are into it. Expanding what is already out there will not change this reality. In fact, we all remember that the neighborhood of Williamsburg, Brooklyn was up in arms about the Steiner Studio coming to the Brooklyn Navy Yard. Alarmists warned that it will destroy the fabric of the neighborhood and that Williamsburg will never be the same, but more than a decade later, the Steiner Studio is there, the neighborhood is the same, and many locals don’t even know that there’s a movie studio in their own back yard.

I understand the emotion that this issue may bring to the community but we need to move forward with due diligence; not emotion or fear-mongering. Based on all of the points I outlined above, I’m here to make our stance clear: we are not fighting, nor should we be fighting this gaming initiative known as “Proposal 1”.

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  • BPopinion

    Thank you Yossi for writing such a nice Op-Ed for rabbi indig… We as Jews should stand up for what’s right and oppose it our values is first even on things which will anyways pass. Good luck!

    • Chasidishe Yid

      Our values is not to be a Koofie Tovah.

      Our values is not to be Hisgares B’imes.

      Our values is not to fight a thing that has 60% support in NYC.

      • chassidisherYid

        That’s has nothing to do with hakures hatov.

        we spent a lot during the summer in the catskills!!!

        • logical

          that is about hakures hatov they would rather have you not spend during the summer and not blocking the casinos

    • BPvoice

      Please rewrite your comment in English!

  • logical

    We need to be realistic. And we need to remember that we r in gules.
    imy”h wen moshiach will come we wont have gambling problems

    • chassidisherYid

      we are in gules but when u vote u are doing the right thing in gules!

      it’s a free country & everybody has a right to vote on his own

      • logical

        voting and fighting are not the exact same thing

  • BPvoice

    Indig, how much is in this for you?

    How you can claim that the fabric of Jewish life in the summer will not be affected by bringing casinos to the Catskills is actually beyond outrageous.

    Yes, casinos are a good source of income for the state — but to agree to have them in the heart of the Catskills with all our camps and bungalow colonies is like importing malaria so that along with building hospitals we can employ doctors and nurses. Believe me that gambling is no less a plague!

    Having been witness to several families’ total destruction as a result of the fathers’ gambling habits, I am sick that any caring, involved Yid could be aiding and abetting this scourge by voting for Proposal 1!!!

    • logical

      BP dont tell over ppl what to do. yes gamble don’t gamble. u try to mechanech your children to do whats right. imagine how u would feel if over ppl would of come in and tell us whats right for us to do. maybe we need to send all our children in college and collect any money from the government…………..

      LIVE AND LET LIVE (it bothers me to but what can i do)

  • disqus_aRSf9kHPsg

    Looks like the aronim have some back door deal in the works.
    While he makes some valid points of not opposing it, nor should we be supporting it

  • Torah Jew

    stop following Moshe Indig YMS and Aaron Tetielbaum YMS and start following moshe rabanu and Aaron Hakohen.

    PS I also have a low opinion of zalmen (though Aaron is a much bigger rasha)

    • pusheter yid

      woh woh woh cool it what kind of language. i’m not a follower of none of them but to talk like this on gedolei yisroel!?

      Its a shame. i beleive that in the times of moshe and aharon you would talk the same

      • Torah Jew

        Aron Teitelbaum bidoro, ki Zimiri bi doro

    • analyst

      You should be ashamed of yourself for naming yourself “Torah Jew” this is no way for a Torah Jew to speak against any Jew.

      • Torah Jew

        1. There is no issur of Lashon Harah on public behavior.
        2. There is no issur of lashon Harah on someone who doesn’t fit into the category of meisha amcha

  • Feivel

    Before making your decision on how to vote on the referendum, please listen to the following speech by Rabbi Abraham Twerski, who is the leading expert on gambling addiction, available in video and audio (It’s the 3rd on the list of audio / video)

    http://www.abrahamtwerski.com/index.php/audiovideo

    Voting in a democratic election against something that will affect us in a very negative way, has nothing to do with Hisgaros B’umos period, even if 99% New Yorkers are for it. Let alone the fact that a Siena College poll shows that voters are generally divided over whether to allow more casinos, but that a majority supported the referendum when read its ballot language, which describes the hoped-for benefits of the measure. Also keep in mind that the referendum asks to legalize casinos that have been illegal in NY, and we don’t have to be the ones changing the status quo.

    The fact that most politicians are for the casinos is not an argument at all, it just explains how and why they got elected in the first place. Since 2005, gambling and horse racing interests have spent more than $59 million on lobbying and political contributions in New York. Mr. Cuomo has been one of the industry’s major beneficiaries. Since 2005, he has collected more campaign donations from gambling and horse racing interests — over $1 million — more than any other elected official or candidate in the state.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/15/nyregion/casino-referendum-led-gambling-industry-to-spend-richly-in-albany.htm

    The editorial boards of many NY newspapers have also urged voters to vote NO on the casino referendum and displayed clearly why the so called economic benefits are a myth.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/25/opinion/no-to-more-casinos-in-new-york-state.html

    http://nypost.com/2013/10/29/the-casino-cuomo/
    Let’s do the right thing and vote NO on proposition 1!

  • Dave Colavito

    I’m not intimately familiar with the Rabbi’s community, so I hope that doesn’t disqualify me from sharing my perspective — I live where some of these casinos would be built. I’m as concerned with mine and other communites as the Rabbi is asserting he’s concerned with his, but with a few important distinctions.

    To begin with, I recognize neither the Rabbi nor any of you balance your check book by looking at just deposits. Yet that’s what Governor Cuomo and others in Albany are asking voters to endorse — they’ve never uttered a serious word about the costs of their casino plan … only rosy benefits. That should tell all of us something important.

    Also, the Yeshiva students, low wage earners, and large families the Rabbi points out must rely on public assistance, provide more reasons why casinos would be harmful — because they don’t pay for themselves due to passing large costs onto taxpayers. Just because other forms of gambling already exist in NY doesn’t change the likelihood that casinos would increase those costs and harm other families. This relates directly to my point above and why Mr. Cuomo and others in Albany have avoided discussing the costs … because they know they’d exceed the benefits. We’ve shown this to be highly likely and you can refer to it at: http://cagnyinf.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/UNYGEDASept22_Final.pdf

    Finally, because of all this, I have to say I am concerned at the message the Rabbi seems to be sending … it’s ok if others are harmed, so long as we aren’t. As ignorant as I am about the Rabbi’s community, I know enough to know such isn’t the sentiment of the broader Jewish community.

    Respectfully,
    Dave Colavito
    Rock Hill, NY

    • BPvoice

      Please be aware that Indig is no Rabbi. He does not live in KJ and has his own political agenda.

      I cannot imagine any ‘normal’ person who would be willing to bring a python into his home. Gambling is no less perilous.

      There are wives who no longer have their jewelry, their silver, and some, their homes — thanks to their husbands’ addiction. Families have been ruined forever — and this is with casinos being far away. Imagine the temptation (especially for young vulnerable singles) when it is in your own back yard!

      Indig claims that we have to vote for Proposition 1 to curry favor with the politicians. No other town is as despised as Kiryas Joel by its neighbors — and with some justification. When the Rebbe zt”l was alive the leaders of KJ reached out to the principals of these towns and tried to work with them in every aspect affecting them mutually. There were some very solid relationships forged in those times.

      After the Rebbe’s petirah — all hell broke loose in KJ. The fire set in Yeled Shashuim (filled with new mothers and babies), shattered car and house windows, slashed tires etc….were more than enough to alienate all of them. Top this off with the self-serving greedy individuals who never take into consideration the resentment of other villages in Orange County while politicians trade votes in KJ for money.

      And Indig uses the Satmar Rebbe zt”l in his argument?! The Rebbe’s morals could not be compromised. He would have been outraged at the mere thought of supporting such legislation. He built KJ as a haven away from the city and its influence. How dare Indig infer that the Rebbe zt”l would have agreed to bring gambling into our midst!!!

      Shame on you Indig!!!!

      • Gambling Chusid

        He does not say you should vote for it you brain dead Moron! Read his article to the end and from the start before you post your stupid load of crap, you Food-Stamps collecting schlub

        • BPvoice

          Gambling Chusid …. you are the perfect reason that we should never vote for Prop 1. Gambling has totally addled your brain!!!!!

          Since you have no clue as to who I am, I find it quite amusing to be called “food stamps collecting schlub.”

          I read and reread Indig’s op-ed. He not only is demanding that every KJ resident should vote FOR the casinos, but he contacted all news sites that quoted the Blatt (which urged its readers to vote against gambling) and insisted on them correcting this error.

          But you see, he cannot just talk the talk, he has to walk the walk – meaning – he has to deliver the votes.

          Anything less, and he loses all credibility in Albany. So, your implication that Indig is actually speaking with a forked tongue and delivering two separate messages will never fly.

          Politicians know how to count very, very well!!

          • analyst

            To all who complain on Indig i also read and reread his op-ed, all he says is that we shouldn’t organize a campaign against it. he is perfectly fine with everyone voting on his own against it.
            All he said is that we shouldn’t go out in a massive organized campaign, in order not to provoke those who feed so many of us.
            I believe that Indig himself will also vote against it.

          • BPvoice

            Really now!?!

            If that is all Indig is saying, then why the long article about traffic, fabric of the Jewish Community etc? His whole op-ed is in defense of Prop 1 — that it will have no negative effect on our lives.

            Nobody is organizing protests and massive campaigns. It was only in our Yiddish newspapers that the readers were urged to vote against the gambling.

            Indig was the one who made a public – very public – issue out of it. He contacted the media that the Blatt’s opposition was an error and in reality the Aroni faction is very much in favor of the initiative.

            His op-ed was written to try to convince all of us to vote for Prop 1.

            Now some very prominent rabbanim came out with a Kol Koira against Prop 1 – all in response to his op-ed.

            Most voters would not have even looked at the bottom part of the voting sheet where these items are listed and would have left them all blank.

            Boy did Indig single-handedly open a can of worms!!