Japan Diplomat: Ground underneath Fukushima Unit 4 is sinking — More than 30 inches in some areas — Now in danger of collapse (VIDEO)

Published: October 7th, 2012 at 4:38 am ET
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Interview with Mitsuhei Murata, Former Japanese Ambassador to Switzerland
English-Chinese translation by Asianjijo
Published on Aug 3, 2012
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Mitsuhei Murata, Former Japanese Ambassador to Switzerland: Due to its ground has been sinking, Unit 4 is now endangered in collapse.

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According to secretary of former Prime Minister Kan, the ground level of the building has been sinking 80 cm [31.5 inches] unevenly. Because the ground itself has the problem, whether the building can resist a quake bigger than M6 still remains a question.

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72 comments to Japan Diplomat: Ground underneath Fukushima Unit 4 is sinking — More than 30 inches in some areas — Now in danger of collapse (VIDEO)

  • vivvi

    And then what??? Any ideas Mr Tepco??


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    • Anthony Anthony

      OMG, here we go. We knew this was to pass. .That said, it is very unsettling to consider whats directly ahead of us. 4 falling will be bad enough but in reality it is only one of several progressively worse domino actions to unfold at Daiichi. 4 down, too hot to manage overloaded common pool with massive amounts of poisons that will be released once unmanaged. Next stop from there may be the entire site is no longer accessible.

      "What should we do to be proactive?" will be the question of the hour when you look back to this *early*(?) notification.

      I'm not sure what the right answer is yet.

      I hope the Universe is kind to those of us who are/were informed, aware and concerned every step of the way. That's a blessing I extend to everyone here.


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  • Flapdoodle Flapdoodle

    TEPCO said way back about the time of the tsunami that the reactors were built upon bedrock. Unless of course the corium is eating away the foundation.

    We might not have to wait for a big quake to dump SFP4 out on the ground.


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    • Radio VicFromOregon

      I always wondered about that bedrock claim. According to geologists concerned about further large quakes speaking publicly just after 3/11 and some nuclear physicists like Arnie Gundersen concerned about melt-throughs, etc., the Fukushima facility IS NOT built upon bedrock but rather infill. There was a natural rock formation protecting the facility from open ocean but that was chiseled away by TEPCO to make it easier to offload supplies from cargo ships arriving from the oceanside, including nuclear fuel. This formation, had it been left in place, provided at least 15 meters of natural sea wall protection, and would have stopped the tsunami from reaching the facility. But, as for bedrock directly adjacent and inland to this former rock formation? If it's bedrock, i think it's not solid bedrock, but, rather a mixed strata of rock, gravel, sand, infill, and groundwater. This would account for such a dramatic lowering of the ground level 3 feet. Anyone know for sure?


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      • Radio VicFromOregon

        Anne has some great posts on another article today about the damage from the quake versus the tsunami. She posts several links with at least one regarding the "bedrock" actually being soft porous sandstone. So, either someone is rewriting the geology facts and hoping a few articles on the web and in the media will echo the notion of solid bedrock beneath the Fukushima NPP facility, which is very possible to accomplish, or everyone, including the ambassador was very misinformed up until a few weeks ago. Arnie Gundersen also relied upon copies of the original site evaluation to make his case that groundwater contamination would be likely given the porousness of the soil. Now Mitsuhei Murata uses his influence and speaks out once again for the truth. I really, really, really hope that Mr. Murata is being taken seriously and the question is answered – is it bedrock or sandstone or some other soft and porous rock strata beneath the Fukushima NPP facility? Is Unit 4 sinking because of a fault slip in a bedrock faultline or because the earth is collapsing beneath it? I think this is a rather critical question. His reasoning is right as rain – it doesn't matter how sound the building is if the ground beneath it is caving in. A structurally sound building will go under as easily as a rickety one, along with a very full spent fuel pool.


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        • StPaulScout StPaulScout

          Liquifaction most likely has occured to some extent. Very early on in this disaster it was widely reported that the ground under the reators was in fact fill. Even if they claim it is on bedrock, think of the ground under Japan. It is fractured in so many places the concept of 'solid ground' doesn't apply.


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        • Anthony Anthony

          VicFromOregon, I recall it being sandstone from the beginning and there are posts regarding the site specs somewhere here. I will look myself again as I know I found information online about this previously too.


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      • Sickputer

        There probably is the potential for ground shifting underneath the reactors at least in thd foundation subsoil mat which is decribed as 17 meters of subsoil under Unit 6 before it reaches the mudstone. See the last sentence on page 1 of the PDF file here:

        http://www.iitk.ac.in/nicee/wcee/article/9_vol3_733.pdf

        I assume the other five units have similar subsoil foundation mats

        As for the mudstone itself which starts 17 meters under Unit 6, it does meet bedrock definition for strength against sheer velocity forces:

        http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=499725

        Yet as the author notes…fissures can reduce the strength factor.

        It is believed the granite bedrock layer start at 800 meters underground at Daiichi based on the regional geology of eastern coastal Japan. Some reactors in Japan were built in granite bedrock formations in other areas, but these were probably the exception to the many mudstone layer reactors. I don't have figures on that breakdown, but I am sure Tepkill knows the score.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Vic, if what you say is true, what is the danger of ground liquefaction during a strong EQ?


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    • anne anne

      Of course, TEPDO will claim bedrock to avoid any damage claims.

      [Geology of Fukushima]
      “I have talked with some of my colleagues (geology professors) today, and some of them knew for many years/decades that the bed rock of the Fukushima Daiichi Nuke Power Plant is soft sedimentary rock. They do not know why government (both national and local/prefectural) approved for the construction of the plant on such a bad spot, and can only think of*unethical acts of polititians and the industry.*Also,*my colleagues warn that the type of bed rock, which geologists identify,*and the strength/suitability of the*bed rock, which soil/geo-engineers determine, is different, even though I would*still support that*young sedimentary rocks below the Fukushima Daiichi Nuke Plant is NOT*suitable for constructing buildings that have to endure earthquakes. ”
      http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?p=3356008#post3356008
      Faults unconsidered in the seismic design of Fukushima Daiichi Nuclear … Map of Outer sea from Shioyazaki” (Geological Survey Japan, 2001)
      http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/betu11_e/images/110531e4.pdf


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    • anne anne

      philipupnorth
      June 28, 2012 at 11:03 am
      Now, we have a bus-size blob of corium 60' deep in bedrock, with a water column of cooling water and ground water up to the Containment1 floor.
      http://enenews.com/tepco-cooling-system-stops-at-no-2-spent-fuel-pool/comment-page-1
      omniversling
      September 4, 2012 at 7:49 am Log in to Reply
      Also, Arnie Gundersen puts the temperature of corium closer to 3500C, so could go through even faster, and who knows how fast or far it may have gone through the rubble that FukuSteamer was built on…plus, how many fractures or cracks in the foundations now from hundreds of tremors since…does the rise of the tide now contact the coriums and create all the steam that is rising from the ground and between the reactors now?
      http://enenews.com/yamada-fuel-could-be-outside-containment-vessel-concrete-does-not-erode-uniformly-no-one-knows-shape-of-corium-big-problems-with-in-tepco-estimation-video


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    • anne anne

      Why Underground Entombment At
      Fukushima Daiichi Won’t Succeed
      By Yoichi Shimatsu, 7-28-11
      “Fukushima No.1 rests on landfill comprising loose rock and sand over the natural seabed and is positioned only a couple of meters above the high tide mark. Water seepage and earthquake-caused liquefaction have seriously disturbed this rather weak soil structure….
      “Much of the danger comes from simpler processes. Extremely hot magma, consisting of nuclear residues mixed with soil minerals, will boil any sea water seeping underground, creating pressurized steam.Think of oatmeal cooking in a pot and how bubbles create blow holes. The same is happening inside the landfill.
      “The steam-created tubes harden when they cool, leaving lines of structural weakness. Eventually, these air pockets will collapse, and the massive weight of the water-filled reactors, piles of spent rods and their supporting structures will drop into deep sinkholes.
      “If the magma tubes become filled with sea water, the landfill will resemble a gigantic sponge, prone to liquefaction and collapse under earthquake motion. Even the resonance vibrations from large machines could trigger the sudden opening of new sinkholes.


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  • As I see massive construction that are to demolish the building of Reactor No. 3 is me shivers go ..
    Certainly the building suffered the most, because it was the biggest explosion. So the walls are certainly very weak, and it seems to me that the water in the pool of fuel remains a miracle there is to do there can not be inspected, that does not mean that the building is sturdy ..
    Therefore, demolition should in my opinion not cause additional shocks, and be carried out as gently as possible … Heavy construction equipment, rather they should not be used …
    They are after all modern methods, such as cutting concrete with water. The company offers cutting up to 3 meters ..

    http://ajaks.eu/en/services-for-civil-engineering/hydrodynamic-demolition-of-concrete–hydrodynamic-robots.html

    I do not want to think what would have happened, if as a result of the vibrations, the resulting leaks in the fuel pool and the water came out of it … Almost as a result of radiation inside the building and its three filling remains, you can not to re-seal it. ..

    Therefore, even mild disturbances such methods may be used: diamond cut rope ..

    http://www.hilti.com/data/editorials/-14620/ds-wss%2030%20leaflet%20e.pdf

    https://www.hilti.co.uk/fstore/holuk/techlib/docs/DS-WS10%20en.pdf

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZ04OdpmJ84

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=N54madabs9s

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=GVI8Z5grdOw


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  • GlowInTheDark GlowInTheDark

    Oh no, not another sinkhole :(


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  • jackassrig

    I'm more concerned about #2. The roof looks like a sway back horse now. If the roof falls, the SFP will follow. May be it's the position of the camera but the columns look to be bowing.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      I agree they are all bad news! Unfortunately the collapse of 4 brings on the heaviest dominoes into play on site quicker than if 2 falls apart. Maybe I'm being paranoid, but I really think if the common pool becomes and issue, I cant comprehend how we'd survive this disaster.


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  • TheBigPicture TheBigPicture

    The ongoing problems at Daiichi will serve to expedites the end of nuclear for all, and for good.


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    Umm..I would say generalized sinking in the immediate area..worse towards.. Unit 4
    It's how the beach is structured…lower toward the south end..geologically more fragile.
    The reactors showing more and accelerated..slumping..


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  • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

    And if it isn't bad enough around 4..it is also the location for the …'burn' operations..and where they are tossing debris into the sea.
    That's..the reason for the new TEPCO view…angled just so..close but..but the dirty deeds.. out of view out of view.


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    • Heart of the Rose Heart of the Rose

      A small further comment here.
      I think quite a bit of consideration was given to the repositioning of the camera.
      It was a 'low shot'…and completely traitorous to the people of Japan.
      And here..we have an important reason.
      I think they think… they are slick and cunning..while deceiving the people.

      And..then there is Hillary…asking Japan to keep the nuke.. as it is the bidding of President Obama.

      http://enenews.com/watch-govt-main-reason-crisis-fukushima-unit-4-toned-down-video


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      • Anthony Anthony

        I think the Govts are so scared they will keep the lie(s) alive at all costs. If the whole pollution catches onto the the real levels of danger here, I think the Govt thinks(knows) society proper will collapse.

        These are some really screwed up times. Murata is speaking up for a reason.


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        • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

          First, the world economy will collapse as people realize they can't buy anything from Japan, any seafood, or any fresh fruits or vegetables. In Hawaii and on the US west coast, they'll realize that they can't eat any local beef, pork, or dairy products. Then there will be hoarding of canned goods and the stores will run out quickly.

          Hundreds of thousands of people who are involved in agriculture, food processing or distributing will be put out of work, and the US unemployment rate will soar to over 20%. The "trickle-down" effect of this many people no longer having the means to "consume" will cause other industries to fail – autos, durable goods, retail of all kinds, etc. and a self-perpetuating spiral will kill all economic activity.

          Then society will collapse.


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          • Anthony Anthony

            How long is such a timeline in your opinion aSpadeisaSpade? I agree with you on this. And when people cant sell their lovely west coast property to raise funds to flee the area (because no one will want to buy their contaminated land) then I predict the shit will fully hit the fans.


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            • aSpadeisaSpade aSpadeisaSpade

              Anthony,

              In April of 2011 I predicted that Japan would be uninhabitable by April, 2013. By "uninhabitable" I meant unable to safely support human (or any other) life.

              I am sticking by that forecast, as I see nothing on the horizon which will mitigate the catastrophe which is still unfolding.

              Of course, being uninhabitable is different from being perceived as uninhabitable. At the point that the general populace realizes that all of Japan is populated by the walking dead, then the scenario I portrayed above will start to play out.


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  • AGreenRoad AGreenRoad

    On 3/11; 15-28 Nuclear Reactors/SFP’s In Japan Were Damaged, Not 3 or 4 ; via A Green Road http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/03/14-nuclear-reactors-at-4-japan-sites.html

    Dr. Chris Busby; Consequences of Burning Radioactive Waste In Japan; via A Green Road
    http://agreenroad.blogspot.com/2012/04/dr-chris-busby-consequences-of-burning.html


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  • StPaulScout StPaulScout

    The claim that the reactor can survive a earthquake rated at 6 is known to be questionable if not completely false. Tepco and the Japanese government had stated a while back, it's in the ene archives somewhere, that the force of 6 could be handled provided the motion was verticle and not horizontal. If the buildings are shaken hard from side to side, they, TEPCO and JAPGOV refused to seculate on how much of that motion they could withstand. Assume it to be something less than a 6.


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  • Ron

    Sinking? There's goes Gunderson's suggestion of filling the reactors cement and waiting a hundred years. With that kind of weight they might end up at the bottom of the ocean. THEN try decontaminating them!

    http://enenews.com/gundersen-fill-fukushima-reactors-cement-100-years-radioactive-video


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  • Anthony Anthony

    Murata's testimony highlight a murderous fraud in TEPCO's recent public statements of 4's building integrity. Anyone who is harmed or dies therefore due to radiation will have been deliberately harmed by TEPCO.

    I can *understand* the company not being 100% about general radiation poisoning, but I reject any excuses for misleading safety statements involving basic building integrity. For me these are two very different matters.

    With this development I'm left to wonder why TEPCO appears to want to destroy human life. If they didn't want to accomplish that they would sound the alarm, wouldn't they?


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  • anne anne

    I think we are getting hit by the pro-nuclear gang especially by the upcoming election.


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  • razzz razzz

    There were oil fires reported in Unit 4 at various times (very sooty black smoke). How they ignited or the source, TEPCO doesn't say.

    Arnie claims there were spotty fires inside Unit 4's fuel pool as new fuel assemblies are cold but used/spent assemblies esp. recently removed assemblies from the reactor core were very hot, so you could have some fuel assemblies heating and burning in one area of the pool while other fuel assemblies do nothing, this is while the pool water was boiling or leaking off and begins exposing the top of the fuel assemblies.

    No doubt, Unit 4 SFP was steaming away. If fuel assemblies were melting at the same time, TEPCO isn't saying.


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  • moonshellblue moonshellblue

    I remember asking my spouse many months ago whether it looked like Reactor 4 was sinking and obviously it is. I highly recommend checking out Corium on Wikipedia which is loaded with a ton of info and explains many things.


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  • razzz razzz

    Putting heavy equipment on Unit 4 then add vibrations and shaking from de-constructing the upper floors, doesn't help the building's situation.

    From Wikipedia…

    The quake moved portions of northeastern Japan by as much as 2.4 m (7.9 ft) closer to North America,[18][19] making portions of Japan's landmass wider than before.[19] Portions of Japan closest to the epicenter experienced the largest shifts.[19] A 400 km (250 mi) stretch of coastline dropped vertically by 0.6 m (2.0 ft), allowing the tsunami to travel farther and faster onto land…

    It is all relative when it comes to building and land elevations. Are we talking before the great quake or after the great quake. Is Unit 4's movement or elevation readings recent and/or is the entire area sinking?


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  • HoTaters HoTaters

    Time to write your elected officials, call, fax, e-mail them to demand an a task force be put together IMMEDIATELY. The time is past for foot dragging by the U.N. and other entities.

    Just spoke with the Dept. Dir. of Constituent Affairs for Governor Jerry Brown (I'm in California). He asked for a written summary of the situation after I spent about 20 minutes briefing him.

    Will be writing a summary to send. Will post it here so if anyone wants to use it, they can edit and use as they please. Will post it at the Political Action Forum area.

    I'm really pleasantly surprised the individual I spoke with seemed to be responsive and open to hearing my point of view. I explained the urgency of the situation and the potential consequences, should the SFP fail (fall). He seemed respectful and said he would forward the info. to the appropriate people.

    Maybe we need to sign or draft petitions on this.

    Suggestion: if you can suggest any potential solutions to the situation (i.e., get a task force formed ASAP, suggestions for containment or emergency coverage if the SFP falls) then do so. I said we need to think outside the box. This will require putting the best scientific and engineering minds in the world to work.

    Personally think some kind of borosilicate poured on might work, at least temporarily. But my background is not in nuclear engineering, chemistry, or physics.

    Please, anyone, if you have suggestions, now is the time to send them to those in power.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      I'd even go so far as to say you should send your drawings, written suggestions, etc. Maybe one of us has the answer already, and can invent the technology which supposedly does not exist.

      The gentleman I talked with sounded open to hearing suggestions. He very pointedly asked what I thought should be done.

      So here's my suggestion: find out who matters, who's in power in your area of jurisidiction. Find someone who will listen, then organize your material, and send it.

      TPTB need to start hearing from us en masse. We can't hesitate now. We MUST move forward in trying to find a solution.

      This news piece today got me off my more or less complacent (?) butt. I've been trying to take care of personal business for the past couple of months. Now I see things have reached such a pass (or impasse) that it just can't be ignored. Direct and re-direct.


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    • HoTaters HoTaters

      Actually, as I recall, a petition or petitions were already posted here. Would someone please re-post the info. on the petition(s), or post a link to it/them? Thanks much, HT.


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      • HoTaters HoTaters

        Oh, yeah, and in response to myself, and statement we must start making ourselves be heard loud and clear,

        "The nail which sticks up will be hammered down," as they say in Japan. At least we can try to get the hammer in motion, neh?


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        • HoTaters HoTaters

          To Anne and others here, do I have your permission to borrow your statements and include your links in the info. I send to the CA governor's office? Do you want your name included with the info.? If so, please send me a "news clip" with link(s) to HoTaters@hush.com

          I'll gladly copy and paste the info. into some sort of a master document we can use to send out. It could be used in flyer format as an information source, or for notifying public officials about the SFP #4 situation.

          Will include anyone's name(s) as co-authors or co-signators on written pieces. Just let me know what you want, if it's OK to quote you, and if you want your name included (and in what context).

          So I'm thinking of three things: 1.) Petition 2.) Information piece to send to governors & legislators, and 3.) Press release type document or document for public education (something which would lend itself to a flyer, like Peter from NZ or Australia did). Sorry, Peter, I can't remember if you said you were from NZ or OZ. And I know there's a rather important difference.


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          • HoTaters HoTaters

            Just want to be in agreement with others about whose name(s) get included, who wants to be an author, etc. Want to give proper credit where credit is due. Thanks.


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          • vital1

            HoTater, if you can make use of any part of these resources please feel free to do so.

            Get the message out there on how serious the Fukushima nuclear disaster is quickly, and efficiently. You don’t need to explain anything just distribute the lifesaver.pdf or podcast below. (or create your own), hand it out, mailbox it, or email it.

            http://technologypals.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/lifesaver.pdf

            This informative podcast on New Zealand radio station GreenPlanetFM carries more weight when trying to convince friends and relatives. It has with mine. So if you can use it as a resource please do. The interview starts after a bit of an
            introduction on synchronicity.

            http://www.greenplanetfm.com/members/greenradio/blog/VIEW/00000001/00000193/Peter-Daley-on-the-Fukushima-Radiation-Cloud-over-Australia–NZ.html#00000193


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            • vital1

              Here is the text so you, or anyone can edit, cut copy, and paste it easily into a new info flyer.

              1. The Fukushima Nuclear disaster is much worse than you are being told.

              2. Multiple nuclear reactors have melted down, and multiple fuel cooling pools that contained multiple old reactor cores have been vaporized, or are still exposed to the atmosphere.

              3. The Fukushima melted down reactor cores and exposed fuel pools are still sending huge amounts of radiation into the atmosphere even after 17 months. It hasn't stopped!

              4. Parts of Japan, Alaska, Western Canada, Western and Central USA, plus parts of Eastern Russia have been badly contaminated with radioactive fallout and are still being contaminated by radioactive fallout from Fukushima. Large parts of the Northern Pacific Ocean have also been highly contaminated. (See fallout map above, it is much worse now as this is an old map from June 2011!)

              5. Radiation bio-accumulates particularly in meat, dairy and seafood, grown and harvested in radiation contaminated areas. Ingested radiation from contaminated food radiates body cells with high doses of radiation for long periods of time. What does this mean for your family's health and well being?


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  • vital1

    Continued:

    You must now make much more careful choices concerning where your food purchases come from. I suggest that you only consume food from non contaminated areas at present. This could change with time so keep up to date, and informed on the subject.

    For an overall summery of the situation read http://sccc.org.au/archives/2186 Also visit these sites http://www.enenews.com and http://www.fairewinds.org/fukushima and read present and past articles. There is lots more info on the Internet. Look up Dr Busby and Dr Caldicott videos at Youtube on radiation. Radioactive food contamination can take years to manifest as a serious illness.

    For our families health and well being we need to collectively demand that, air, food, water, and goods be tested for radioactive contamination. If you don't demand it, it will not happen. Politicians from all parties, and the media are now no more than puppets controlled by corporate big money. There is huge amounts of money tied up in the nuclear industry. You are constantly lied to. Controlled media plays down the seriousness of this disaster, and misinforms you. The info in this handout should be front page world news!


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  • patersons

    If the pool falls the entire northern hemisphere will be poisoned. Within 10 miles of the site everything will die in matter of days. This will reach around the world and the only safe place will be south of the equator. I expect the disaster will be cascading as other nuclear sites are abandoned due to contamination.


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  • The #4 pool no longer matters.. not since the CSFP building burned up… not just once, but 5 times now.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      And that's the bottom line that stuck with me since you said it really. Those were the Aces for healthy life in my mind. What you are saying, is the common pool is pretty much burnt off, making 4 almost irrelevant, health-wise?


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  • yes.. is still some "HOT" ones in bottom.. they cleaned the mess and I believe they have moved the rods from #1 & #2 pool into the shared building.. to cover-up the glowing ones for media play to "Claim" the building is fine. They now have double-stacked rods in a radically altered pool. New crane in it doesn't match original. The lights are all new, and can now see roof struts without lights reflected in the pool… and bottom layer rods in it are GLOWING BRIGHT BLUE.!!
    I feel bad for the reporters who went there.. they have short-time to live now.


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    • Anthony Anthony

      So now its become a game of **They don't even realize the worst has already occurred.** ?

      If so, we haven't dropped dead yet, nor have the Japanese. In terms of immediate danger.

      I think that is too much pollution to conceivably survive. If it is, then we are dying. Slowly.


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  • All the metal rails melted.. now just posts with rope and netting over them. The skimmer pool on end is missing… just how they cooling it without all the heat exchangers.. is real mystery!


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