Nuclear Expert: Fukushima risk underestimated — 5% of young girls will get cancer living in 20 milliSv/y for 5 years — “Actually worse than that” — Hot particles NOT included & only counts cancers, not other effects (VIDEO)

Published: January 18th, 2012 at 7:31 am ET
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Title: Cancer Risk To Young Children Near Fukushima Daiichi Underestimated
Source: Fairewinds Associates, Inc
Author: Arnie Gundersen, Nuclear Expert
Date: Jan 17, 2012

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[...] That gets me to the issue of BIER, Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation. [...]

Now in Japan, the Japanese government is allowing people to go back into these radiation zones, when the radiation exposure is 2 rem. What that means is that they are willing to say that your chances of getting cancer are 1 in 500 if you go back into these areas that are presently off limits, and the exposure levels are 2 rem or 20 milisieverts in a year.

But it is worse than that. The number that we are using in the BIER Report is for the entire population, old people and young. And old people are going to die of something else before a cancer gets to them, whereas young people have rapidly dividing cells and they live a longer time, so they are more likely to get cancer. So if you go into the BIER Report and you look at Table 12-D, you will see that young women have a 5 times that number chance of getting cancer than the population as a whole. So young girls in the Fukushima Prefecture are going to get 5 times the exposure they would get from 2 rem. That means that about one in 100 young girls is going to get cancer as a result of the exposure in Fukushima Prefecture. And that is for every year they are in that radiation zone [at 20 milliSv/y]. If you are in there for 5 years, it is 5 out of 100 young girls will get cancer.

Now the BIER Report only addresses cancer, and of course, there are other effects of radiation that are not included in BIER, so it is actually worse than that.

Two more items: The first is that the BIER Report does not address hot particles. Now we have been over that extensively on the site, and you will see that imbibing it (a kid gets radioactive cesium on their hands and they swallow it, or breathing it in), is not included in the BIER Report.

And the last piece brings us over to Ian Goddard’s video, and that is this assumption by the Japanese and International Atomic Energy Agency, that at some point, this radiation is really so hard to measure that it does not count anymore. Well, the data indicates that just the opposite is happening. And that brings me to Ian Goddard’s video. I will be back at the end of the video to try to summarize everything we have talked about today. [...]

Well, I would like to thank Ian Goddard for that excellent analysis and sum up what all of this means. According to the National Academy of Sciences, the BIER Report, Biological Effects of Ionizing Radiation, the chance of someone in Fukushima receiving a cancer is about 1 in 500 at the threshold that the Japanese have set. But it is worse than that: Young girls are 5 times more radio-sensitive than the data indicates. So what that means is that at least 1 in 100 young girls is likely to get cancer if they go back in under those radiation limits. And that does not include hot particles and it does not include what Mr. Goddard has clearly shown is a problem of low-level exposures perhaps being worse than linear.

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53 comments to Nuclear Expert: Fukushima risk underestimated — 5% of young girls will get cancer living in 20 milliSv/y for 5 years — “Actually worse than that” — Hot particles NOT included & only counts cancers, not other effects (VIDEO)

  • And to make it worse, this is just the external radiation and the internal radiation (hot particles). In reality, unranium and plutonium are terrible just as heavy metals, all by themselves. And we know that tens of tons of uranium and plutonium were aerosolized into the atmosphere. Here is the data and calculations.

    http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/2012/01/uranium-in-air.html


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    • atoms4peace1

      Sv takes into account internal radiation. Its called organ dependent radiation weighting factors from ICRP. Unless you think your organs are outside your body. Yes your rectum is your mouth. Hey where was Gundersen on Frontline? No where to be seen. Lochbaum was there, but not Gundersen.


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      • PoorDaddy PoorDaddy

        Posted this on another thread earlier.This atoms4death1 jerk will not be here long. He will slink back to HuffPo where he wields just a touch of power.
        @atoms4death1
        Yes, there is a harm and a foul!
        You are the one and only reason I no longer post at HP. Almost every time I posted over there, you personally removed my posts.
        Attention all Enenewsers!….At HuffPost they have a rule where frequent “special” posters, I think they call them super posters or something are allowed to censor and delete posts they don’t like….anyway, this Atoms4death1 guy is one of those over there. He deleted any post of mine that he found distasteful or that poked fun at his name or his comments. A4P….you are a pronuke shill that traffics in censorhip on HuffPo, you’re a power-hungry little dick…go back to HP!
        Ask Whoopie….she knows about this guy!
        Ask Stock….he’s aware of this slimy puke too.


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    • Notice how the golum below simple rattle off stuff without even addressing my comment.


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    • Human0815

      @ Stock,

      this is pure Speculation and all known facts tell us a different Story!

      Trust me when i try to tell you that the Story is much more complicated ;)


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      • StillJill StillJill

        Trust ME ‘Human”,…you should NOT start a sentence with the words, “Trust me”,…Just sayin’


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        • Human0815

          `StillJill, see the Smiley!

          My English is horrible and the Grammar is like F`Shima but anyway,
          normally i don@t argue with People
          who are so damned sure!

          5% sounds okay,
          the Chance for healing for Radioactive induced Cancer is afir ca. 80%!

          We here calculated ca. 4.000 Deaths in whole Japan, because of this Accident, a Year!
          (Group of all Ages and Gender)


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          • StillJill StillJill

            OM F’ing G,…did I just hear/read this right?: Human said “the Chance for healing for Radioactive induced Cancer is afir ca. 80%!”

            Is this going to be the Industries next ‘leg to stand on’?

            OMFG! I think you just let something ‘out’, that you shouldn’t have.

            Very, very telling.


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            • Human0815

              @StillJill,
              we need to face the Facts,
              we need to do so to get prepared,
              we can:t hide from this and we can:t run away, there is no Way for Denial!

              We are running this type of “Calculations” since a very long time because it reduce the harm, the pain and the suffering!

              Only by this “Calculations” we get able to see the demand for medical Personal, for Hospitals and for the Equipment!


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              • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

                Thank you for the opportunity to post this video that was shared by an enenews member.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywKv0dj3UuY

                When you have studied all the reports available under the video you can spend time in a hospital ward with children suffering from cancers. And maybe you can watch family & friends die a slow & painful death from Cancer. Now I can tell them that 80% will recover from their cancers. Should I whisper that in their ear as they take their last breath?

                I am sure there are many that will benefit from studies about the need for medical & hospital care needed by cancer patients. All the companies that will make billions on overpriced medication & supplies.

                You can explain your studies to those that can not afford the medical care that they should have been added to the list that say 80% will survive.


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                • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

                  Spend more money & time on calculations to SHUTDOWN down Nuclear reactors and we will not need so much “medical Personal, for Hospitals and for the Equipment!”


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                • Human0815

                  @ MaidenHeaven,

                  i done that,
                  as a private Person
                  as well as for my old Job!

                  There is not much more horrible
                  in the World than dieing Children,
                  i couldn’t stay that so i changed!

                  You need to learn that focusing
                  on the facts is nothing nice,
                  but there is not only Sunshine
                  in our World
                  and some People prepare for this
                  for the Benefit of our Human Society!

                  And maybe you are seeing only “the Pigs” in front of the Puppeteer,
                  but there are also good People and not only Cowards!

                  2.
                  There are already many Calculations. From them i know that we need at least 3- 4 new Plants
                  in the Western World
                  (Russia and China not incl.)

                  Don’t be so naive
                  to think that Nuclear Waste disappear in a Logic Cloud
                  when we, you and i turn off
                  the last Plants!

                  We need to handle the Waste
                  for Thousands of years,
                  “into the Eternity”!


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                  • MaidenHeaven MaidenHeaven

                    Did I understand you correctly that you believe we need more Nuclear plants?

                    Unfortunately I am not so naive to think the waste will disappear. and yes “We need to handle the Waste for Thousands of years,
                    “into the Eternity”!”

                    Sad isn’t it? Or rather it is criminal that those who knew the dangers and never stopped Nuclear power. I also know that many of the same companies that poisoned our planet & us with radiation also sell supplies to *fight cancer.

                    I also know that the waste is being used to destroy mankind. All in order to make more money. To avoid following guidelines to keep farms that sell animals clean & to extend shelf life of foods.

                    At the same time, it would transfer the burden of nuclear waste from weapons production to consumerism a fact the DOE admitted to the House Armed Services Committee in 1983: “The utilization of these radioactive materials simply reduces our waste handling problem; we get some of these very hot elements like cesium and strontium out of the waste.”

                    “Not only would this take care of the DOE’s waste problem, it would develop the technology to reprocess spent nuclear reactor fuel in order to recover cesium 137. The reprocessing would also enable the DOE to recover plutonium, the main ingredient for nuclear weapons.”

                    “Studies of rats fed irradiated food also indicate possible kidney and testicular damage and a statistically significant increase in testicular tumors.”

                    “One landmark study in India found four out of five children fed irradiated wheat developed polyploidy, a chromosomal abnormality that is a good indication of future cancer development.”

                    “Irradiation destroys essential vitamins, including vitamin A, thiamin, B2, B3, B6, B12, folic acid, C, E, and K; amino acid and essential polyunsaturated fatty acid content may also be affected. A 20 to 80 percent loss of any of these is not uncommon.”

                    “Irradiation proponents often claim that decades of research demonstrate the safety of…


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      • Sorry Human trust is a rare commodity that gets earned.

        We all know what AtomsforSpecies Destruction is, do you cast your lot with he, I have suspected you for a while, openly.

        These calculations are based on the Gov provided data. they are not tricky –only as tricky as say weighing a gallon of water and determining that water is 8.34 lbs per gallon.

        It takes a few more steps because of all the various units used in radiation.


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        • Human0815

          @Stock,

          can i see your Calculation?
          (In Secrecy)

          I am sure there is a misread because we get a different Picture here,
          and we went very deep into the Rabbit Hole!

          Of course under a Supervision from a Nuclear Engineer who is a Security Consultant for Nuclear Powerplants in the Country where i am coming from but none of us found a misleading Comment from him!

          And we used nearly all Data,
          only Busby and Caldicott was excluded because both are not objective and both are not serious!


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  • And to make it worse, this is just the external radiation and the internal radiation (hot particles). In reality, uranium and plutonium are terrible just as heavy metals, all by themselves. And we know that tens of tons of uranium and plutonium were aerosolized into the atmosphere. Here is the data and calculations.

    http://nukepimp.blogspot.com/2012/01/uranium-in-air.html


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    • atoms4peace1

      The Hanford site helped win the Cold War. Ingrate.


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      • atoms4peace1= nuke disinfo specialist


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        • or-well

          No.
          Not good enough to be a propagandist.
          Simply an agitator.
          Probably a disturbed freelancer.


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        • StillJill StillJill

          Good to see you chemfood,…but he’s NO specialist. He’s never been special at anything his entire slothful life. That is why he is here. Someone needed a particularly SLIMMMMMY job done,…and nearly no one would stoop that low. Enter our friend. He can mombo all the way down to the dust where he came from, slithers through,…and is destined to return to.

          Over and out!


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      • James Tekton James Tekton

        POS A-hole-1 sed”

        “Ingrate”!!!

        That is twice your negative regurgitation of slime has spewed onto these pages you thing, and I am not even done reading this thread yet.

        Not even going to waste time engaging you obvious worse that words can describe. You need to go back to your HP-cave and stay there with the rest of those who wazoo their time on slurping up in the muck and dis/mis-information. Squid on!

        This is a hall of respect and truth. We have no time for this kind of negativity and racist discriminative cussing at those who post here. Difference of opinion is one thing, respect for each others truth is also. Anger can go ballistic fast because we are ALL walking time bombs and God help the fool the pulls the pin.

        So now hear this thing, trouble makers are not welcome here among real truth seeking enenewzers!

        All in Favor?

        …8…9…10!

        You are outta here!


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  • hbjon hbjon

    Is it true the guy reading that information in the video can kill a goat simply by staring at it for 8 hours? Look, here is the math…..Radiation + DNA = Cancer. Cancer = nonsurvival. NPP = cancer + Electricity. Diagnostic imaging = Radiation + DNA. Massive Quantities of radiation + Wind current + Ocean current = Cancer distributed worldwide. Cancer = Financial benefits to healthcare system. Low dose radiation in food + water + air = radiation sickness. Radiation sickness = Cancer. Uranium + fission = Iodine + Ceasium + Krypton + Barium. Iodine + decay = Beta particle emission. Calculating death rates with graphs and equations works well to put people to sleep and reject the reality of the situation . Almost like crying to the people that are torturing you. And it all falls on deaf ears. Please shut them down! Please make it stop! We want to live! Are we dead yet? No, not yet. Our suppressors are here and they are coming down hard on us. Fight! Fight! Give us a song OH WELL!


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    • hbjon hbjon

      Give us a song or-well.


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    • hbjon hbjon

      or-well
      January 18, 2012 at 9:10 am · Reply
      The news rolls on
      with nuclear horror.
      What new nightmare
      will come tomorrow?
      Are our plans for
      the future hollow?
      Some days it’s more
      than I can swallow
      that we let the pigs
      in power wallow
      grunting and snorting
      at the trough –
      have we had our fill
      as they kill life hallowed
      oinking “Not enough!”?
      When do we “trophy” them –
      mounted and stuffed?


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      • StillJill StillJill

        Great poem.

        Unfortunately, when I, we, speak like this,….we get identified at ‘combatants’, as it were. So,…I shall rely on ‘Vengenance IS MINE saith the LORD’


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        • or-well

          @StillJill, it’s wonderful that your faith is a strength for you.

          I speak only for myself when I say that I don’t believe the Lord of the Christian bible – or any other Deity – will shut down nukes.

          Perhaps He (She? They?)are leaving that for us to do, or not do. I don’t know.
          I’d rather we do it than not.

          I believe if we don’t act as “combatants” we shall be victims.

          These are statements of my personal position, and not arguments for or against your Faith.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Yes, give us a song, Oh-well! :-)

    Loved your comment btw hbjon. I forgive you too-btw! (Hysterical women can be reasonable too)


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  • ion jean ion jean

    Any female late baby boomer living in the US at northern latitudes has had over 20 rem externally…double or triple that for internal their entire lifetime eating US grown food and the number gets pretty big…WOMEN WAKE UP, tell your friends, it is always women that stop government madness through their wisdom as mothers…

    NUCLEAR DEATH FACTORIES need to be stopped NOW for our children, just as important as global warming to their future…let us begin the NUKOLUTION in VT on March 12 in Vernon at Vermont Yankee and help the governor make the first state in US history to completely eliminate nuclear power!


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Wow, way cool!!! How cool to be from the state that eventually BECOMES THAT!!! :-)

    Thanks!


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  • jec jec

    Girls with thyroid cancer and treatment will have trouble having children. Thyroid cancer is one of the first cancers to show up after this type disaster..and of course the heart/cardio issues now happening…Heart attacks in babies? Teens..


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  • Human0815

    In afir April the Japanese Government will reduce the maximal allowed dosage for Children back to 1 Milli-Sievert/ Year
    and max. allowed dosage for Food
    will be 100Bq. a Kg.!

    At least they said so :)


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    • enoughalready45 enoughalready45

      Can you explain the term “afir” I’m not following. I believe you have used it before and thought it was just a typo. Are you saying “after”? Thanks.


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  • Bobby1

    “And that does not include hot particles and it does not include what Mr. Goddard has clearly shown is a problem of low-level exposures perhaps being worse than linear.”

    Good to see Arnie becoming relevant again.


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  • milk and cheese milk and cheese

    I don’t think Arnold Gunderson was every irrelevant. And I’d trust him, Dr. Busby, or Helen Caldicott before I’d trust anyone attempting to minimize the dangers of radiation exposure.


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  • StillJill StillJill

    Yes Milk and Cheese, me too!


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  • sandman

    This is one of the most informative and excellent explanations I’ve seen. Thank you, Enenews, for posting it, and a huge thank you to Arnie Gunderson for his continuing work!


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  • Tpac Olam Tpac Olam

    Young women and girls are 5 times more likely to get cancer from the same radiation exposure than a 30 year old man.

    Breast cancer is the number 2 killer of Women (lung # 1) http://www.sexualhealthsite.info/breast-cancer%E2%80%94the-number-two-killer-ductal-carcinoma-lobular-carcinoma-risk-factors-prevention.php

    Instead of “race for the cure” perhaps it should be “Race to abolish man made radiation”.

    How can we wake up all these women with pink ribbons to the fact that man made Nuclear Radiation is the cause of the vast majority of breast cancer?


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