Penny swivels Koko's chair around so they face each
PENNY: Let me explain what we're doing.
PENNY: We're going to be on the phone with a lot
of people who are going to ask us questions...
KOKO: Nipple. (Koko sometimes uses 'nipple'
as a 'sounds like' for 'people.')
PENNY: ...about you and about me. . . Lots of people.
KOKO: That red pink. (Indicating Penny's
PENNY: That red pink. Yes, right!
KOKO: Hurry good.
PENNY: This is redthis is pink, exactly.
KOKO: Pink. (Koko reaches for Penny's pocket
which contains treats.)
PENNY: OK. That's the kind of things they are going
PENNY: Questions about colors or how you're feeling.
KOKO: That red. (Indicating her own hair.)
PENNY: Honey, this is black.
KOKO: XXX XXX. (XXX looks like 'sun'.)
Koko is trying to sign 'black.' Penny touch prompts
KOKO: Black. There hurry. (Indicating Penny's
K has one ape doll kiss the other.
KOKO: Lips lipstick.
PENNY: Yes, 'lips lipstick,' right.
KOKO: Lips fake candy give-me. (Then Koko
reaches for Penny's pocket.)
PENNY: Wait . . . a minute.
KOKO: Bad hear (left hand on lt. ear) hear.(left
hand on rt. ear) Hurry. (Koko reaches for Penny's hand.)
AOL: Is Koko aware that she's chatting with thousands
of people now?
PENNY: I just explained it to her so she has some
KOKO: Hear. (Koko reaches for Penny's treat
PENNY: You want to hear? . . . OK. Koko is ready.
AOL: Welcome, Dr. Patterson and Koko, we're so happy
PENNY: They said 'Welcome.' . . . That was me actually.
I'm translating for her. . . . I gave Koko an explanation of what
we're doing and she said 'Good hear.'
Koko pulls Penny close and kisses her cheek.
KOKO: Pink this. (Grasping Penny's shirt
PENNY: She's just signed 'pink' and she's looking
. . .
KOKO: Pink this pink. (Indicating Penny's
PENNY: . . . at my shirt. We have had earlier discussions
about color today.
Koko pulls Penny's phone hand closer.
PENNY: OK. She wants to listen. Do you have a question?
PENNY: She said 'listen.'. . .
AOL: MInyKitty asks Koko are you going to have a
baby in the future?
PENNY: OK, is that for Koko? Koko are you going
to have a baby in the future?
KOKO: Koko-love eat ... sip.
AOL: Me too!
PENNY: What about a baby? You going to have baby?
She's just thinking...her hands are together...
PENNY: Oh poor sweetheart. She said 'unattention.'
She covered her face with her hands..which means it's not happening,
basically, or it hasn't happened yet. . . I don't see it.
AOL: That's sad!
PENNY: It is responding to the question. In other
words, she hasn't had one yet, and she doesn't see a future here.
The way the situation is actually with Koko & Ndume, she has
2 males to 1 female which is the reverse of what she needs. I think
that is why she said that, because in our current situation, it
isn't possible for her to have a baby. She needs several females
and one male to have a family.
AOL: Do you see that situation changing when you
get the Gorilla preserve on Maui?
PENNY: Yes, we do.
PENNY: Koko just signed 'listen' and she wants to
hear the phone so I'm going to hold it to her for a second. Did
you hear them? (to Koko.)
PENNY: She just made a vocalization. Did you hear
that? That was her talking on the phone.
AOL: Hi Koko! I can hear her! She breathed at me!
This is so cool!
PENNY: I'm working to create a family here in Woodside
which would mean that we would need to add an additional female
at a minimum. So I've been working with the zoo community to do
that. And in Hawaii, we'll have much more space which means we will
be in a much better situation to welcome additional gorillas to
our family and then she's almost assured to have a family of her
AOL: So she really is looking forward to this!
PENNY: That's a happy sound when I said 'a family
of her own'...Yes, she seems to be responding to my English.
AOL: Question: EFRN asks: Would Koko like to have
a kitten, a dog, or gorilla as another friend?
PENNY: OK, let's ask her that. Koko like to have
a kitten, a dog, or gorilla as another friend? Which?... Koko, would
you like to have a kitty, dog, gorilla?
PENNY: She actually has two dog friends right now,
one kitty and two gorillas.
AOL: SBM87: ask What are the names of your kittens?
KOKO: Candy give-me.
Penny gives treat.
KOKO: See give-me. (Indicating the phone?)
PENNY: What's the name of your kitty ? Kitty's name
and dog's name?
K picks up the foot of the large stuffed gorilla
doll she is sitting on.
KOKO: Foot... (Many times, first on the doll's
foot then on her own foot.)... Foot. (Twice on the doll's foot.)
PENNY: 'Foot' isn't the name of your kitty.
KOKO: Hear lip.
PENNY: She wants to hear the lady on the phone.
Maybe you can ask her that question.
Penny puts the phone to K's ear.
AOL: Koko, what's the name of your cat?
KOKO: Huff* no. (Headshake.)
PENNY: She just gave some vocalizations there...
you probably heard soft huffing.
AOL: I heard that soft puffing.
PENNY: Now shaking her head 'no'. Are you not going
to answer that question?
K pulls PP's head close & kisses her cheek.
AOL: Question: Do you like to chat with other people?
PENNY: Koko, do you like to talk to people?
KOKO: Fine nipple.
PENNY: Yes, that was her answer. 'Nipple' rhymes
with 'people,' OK? She doesn't sign people per se, so she may be
trying to do a 'sounds like...' but she indicated it was 'fine.'
K climbs up on lg. box & PP asks her to turn
KOKO: Give-me. (For more treats.)
AOL: BSikor439 wants to know, Koko, Which of your
paintings do you like most? Is she still painting?
PENNY: Uh-huh. OK. Gosh, you know, she hasn't seen
her paintings for awhile. She is (still painting.)
K starts getting down from box and it comes away
from the sink.
AOL: Tell us what she's doing right now!
PENNY: She's re-arranging the furniture in her room,
basically. Let me move some of these boxes back. There's a lot of
stuff here. Let me ask her if she LIKES to paint...one second..She's
taking a toilet break.
AOL: Dr. Patterson, why is this such an important
PENNY: We're learning so many things on a number
of levels, many of which I did not predict. What's that? [jingling
sound] What's she got? Wait a second.
AOL: You've devoted your whole life to it! What
are we learning?
PENNY: I had started to simply see if another species
could communicate with us in our own language, that being sign language.
And we have found that, yes, that is so and that she is actually
very creative with that language (K returns.) and that we share
not only the ability to form words and thoughts but also to talk
about abstract things like feelings, the past and future...
AOL: I can see that!
PENNY: ...so those were sort of surprises, that
she would be so creative. And that she would be essentially adding
to the process. What I've discovered in the meantime is that she
has already got the system, it's not that I gave her a system to
communicate. Gorillas already communicate with a rich vocabulary
of gestures. (K looks at a birthday card.) What I've done is simply
share the vocabulary with her. So those things were all unexpected.
We have a window into the mind of another species, which is, I think,
one of the values in (that) this species is really part of our family
as humans.They are our closest living relatives. So we stand to
learn a huge amount about ourselves - our ancestry. How we might
have evolved into the species we are today. That's just part of
it. I could go on. We are learning a lot about gorillas themselves
in terms of things as diverse as reproductive physiology...
KOKO: This. (Indicating a picture in a magazine
she is looking through.)
PENNY:... to their ability to direct their own lives,
in a sense, with a language tell us what they would like and how
they would like to see things happen in the future; react to things
in the environment and these are things that are quite unexpected
KOKO: This. (Indicating another picture in
PENNY: Things that are not even meant for Koko's
ears, she will respond to things at rather a sophisticated level.
We have documented her comprehension of English and this is not
just at the level of tone (of voice), but this is at the level of
the tiny pieces that the language is made of. . .she actually discriminates
phonemes. And that kind of thing had never been know before. The
fact that they can create representational art is yet another aspect
that I certainly didn't expect but that has implications for anthropology
in terms of how far back the roots go for this kind of representational
KOKO: Lip apply-lip lipstick. (Looking at
the picture of a woman model in the magazine.) This. (On the page)
Koko turns the pages then puts magazine down then
grooms the fingers of the large stuffed gorilla doll.
AOL: I've heard people say she's not really communicating
-- I think she's smarter than we are-- after all, how many of us
can speak Gorilla!
PENNY: Exactly! She has learned our language but
we haven't learned hers. So that does say a lot about the relative
capacities of our species to communicate with another one.
K takes Penny's hand and Penny sits down close to
AOL: What new is there to learn after 26 years?
PENNY: Every day brings new surprises in terms of
learning about gorillas in order to save them, but also in terms
of learning about ourselves and mainly that consists of (learning
about) new ground about how similar we are. Every little nuance
that she comes up with often surprise me, and I don't know why I'm
surprised, but I am still surprised when she shows a new level of
sophistication. . . She's back.
AOL: A basic earthy question for Koko from Earth2Kim:
Koko, what is your favorite food, fruit, or vegetable?
PENNY: OK, hey. We got a question for you, honey.
Whats your favorite food? The one you like eat the very best. What's
your favorite food? The one you like best.. Ok...she's thinking...
AOL: People have a lot of stereotypes!
PENNY: She likes drinks. What your favorite drink?
Do you have a favorite drink?
KOKO: Drink apple.
AOL: SickboyRE asks: Koko, have you taught other
gorillas sign language, on your own?
PENNY: That's a good question. Have you taught other
gorillas to sign?
KOKO: Myself lip.
PENNY: She taught herself. That's really true, too.
That's very good and I think what part of that answer might be,
is that she's taught us. In other words, 'myself lip' was her answer
and 'lip' is her word for woman. So 'herself' has taught 'lips',
perhaps. So there are a couple of interpretations there.
AOL: She's really creative!
PENNY: Uh-huh, and I think she's acknowledging that
in that answer.
AOL: She makes up some of her own terms, like 'lips'
PENNY: Oh yes, and 'foot' for male.
AOL: Another question from the audience: Does Koko
like birds? I have the bird t-shirt she painted -- I'm wearing it
PENNY: Koko sweetheart, do you like birds? Do you
like birds?.. She's very thoughtful today, she walked away, she's
looking out the window...
AOL: She's looking at the birds!
PENNY: You know actually there are a number of blue
jays that have been frequenting her play yard because they are nesting
nearby and she looking out into the play yard. She's going to look
at them, right.
AOL: Are there any birds out there now?
PENNY: She's looking out the window and one just
flew by. She [expresses herself] with actions and this is very characteristic
of young children. Actually, the newer ways of studying very young
children is to look at very subtle behaviors. She's looking out
PENNY:... and signing 'lips', which is her word
for 'woman'. I can't see what she's seeing completely. I'm at an
angle with the window and can't leave where I am.
AOL: This is a very abstract one for her: Are you
content with your life? That was from Jedi114. I'm very curious
to see what she might say to that! We know she might not be able
to answer everything, but we're going for it anyway!
(Koko comes back)
PENNY: OK. I can ask that in a different way. Can
you come here sweetie and be patient? She's got her back to me.
Koko, are you happy?
AOL: Here's one: Koko, where would you like to visit?
PENNY: That's hard because Koko doesn't travel.
AOL: We were wondering about that.
PENNY: So, her concept of space is very limited
compared to even a child, because we really stay here of necessity.
So we could ask her if she would like to go to Hawaii.
AOL: Would she like to go to Hawaii?
PENNY: Would you like to go to Hawaii?
PENNY: She says 'look.'
AOL: Me too!
PENNY: : Maybe she'd like to see it first. She actually
has travelogs of Hawaii that she looks at on her video machine;
travelogs, Hawaii videos. So she has seen it.
AOL: Does she watch TV?
PENNY: Yes, public broadcasting only. Right, so
she'd like to look at Hawaii.
KOKO: Think XXX. (XXX - Koko's hand is partially
out of frame - possibly 'lie-down.')
PENNY: What do you think about Hawaii? We talk a
lot about it.
AOL: Storm 1004 asks: Dear Koko...I've watched you
for years now...your gentle spirit is inspiration for many... I'd
like to know what you'd like for your birthday.
AOL: What a sweet question!
PENNY: OK. Your birthday is coming up, Koko. What
do you want for your birthday? What do you want?
KOKO: Birthday... Food smokes.
PENNY: Well, she sort of signed 'food' and 'smokes.'
You have to understand...Smoke is also the sign for her kitten.
Her kitty's name is Smoky. So that one could have a double meaning..
Yes, she (does) still have Smoky. She's looking out the window right
now, so her back is to me.
AOL: HMBarbari: asks Koko, Have you ever tried to
teach your kittens sign language?
PENNY:..Actually, I can tell you that she has not
tried to teach them sign language but she has tried to nurse her
PENNY: It's very important to her. She's 310 lbs.
I can't get her to turn around...
AOL: LBratt0n asks, Koko do you have an email address?
PENNY: Koko does have an email address; firstname.lastname@example.org.
AOL: JAM6860 asks, You like your trainer a lot don't
you? I think she means you, Dr. P!
PENNY: Do we want to ask that (laughing)? This is
asking for it (laughing). Koko, do you like Penny? Do you like me?
No comment. Hey Koko, at least you can give me a bad review. Do
you like me? Penny? She's thinking about it (laughing)? Maybe not
with all these questions. You like me normally.
KOKO: (No response)
AOL: Question: Hi Koko, you are a beautiful gorilla.
Was it hard to learn sign language? OceanFish asked that one! I
agree -- she's the most beautiful gorilla I know!
PENNY: Somebody says you are a beautiful gorilla.
Was it hard or easy to learn sign? Was it hard or was it easy? Easy
KOKO: (No response.)
PENNY: She's not really - neither here nor there.
She's not answering.
AOL: ReBeL1999 asks, do you dream at night? Wouldn't
it be amazing to know what a gorilla dreams!
PENNY: I think I may have asked her his once. Do
you dream at night when you sleep? Do you dream? I asked her this
once and I had to explain it . I asked her if she - what senses
that might be used - did she hear things smell things, see things.
So I needed to explain what a dream was and I don't remember. I
could ask her again. Koko, when you dream, do you hear things, smell
things, see things? Do you dream?
KOKO: (No response.)
PENNY: Are those too hard? Let's go for an easy
AOL: What do you like to do best, for fun, asks
PENNY: What do you like to do best for fun?... How
do you have fun?...What's the most fun thing to do?...Do you have
something that's fun to do?...Can you show me, maybe, what you like
to do?...Do you like to tickle or chase or you like watch TV? What
you play?...What do you do?...What's your favorite game?
KOKO: (No response.)
AOL: Sounds like Koko might have had enough?
PENNY: Maybe she has... Is there anything you'd
like to say, Koko?
KOKO: Hear come.
AOL: We knew she might only be able to chat for
about a half an hour...
PENNY: She just gave a little vocalization to the
phone. She wants a little refreshment here.
AOL: Were you real real sad when your cat died?
BDurant70 asked that. Does she miss her?
PENNY: Actually, she does. I can answer that for
you. Even thumbing through picture books of cats that look like
her kitty, she does react with emotional words like 'frown' and
'sad'. So, yes, she still remembers.
AOL: How long ago was that?
PENNY:...That was in 1985. That was a long time
ago. She's having some snacks and food here. Is there anything you'd
like to say here, Koko?
KOKO: Lips hurry good give-me.
Penny gives treat.
AOL: 'Lips' is woman, right?
PENNY: 'Lips' is 'woman,' right. She's got an alligator.
Oh no! What's that alligator going to do? She's got the alligator
biting her finger. She's playing with her alligator and her lady
KOKO: Kiss.* (Koko kisses the lady doll.)
PENNY: (Laughing.) She's got the alligator biting
the lady doll.
KOKO: Tell-you-hurry. (Koko takes Penny's
PENNY: Oh, my! Is this a little acting out aggression
here? There is a little acting out going on. (Laughing.) That lady
doll could be me.
AOL: She sounds like she's working out a bit of
aggression! I'm tryingto get a picture of where you are, what it
PENNY: We're in Koko's kitchen area. She's sitting
with me in the kitchen. There are toys all around a refrigerator,
television, big gorilla doll on the floor stuffed animals, video
tapes. So it's got a lot of stuff including a harmonica which she
pushed it away, doesn't want to play with that. Ok. Oh, I have some
things that you might want to wear, Koko. Here. I gave her a couple
of fabric bracelets... she's looking at them. She's putting it on
her head because actually these are things people wear on their
PENNY: She signed 'fake.' She's pulling one of them
and it's not fitting her hair.
KOKO: Hat that toilet. Good tell-you-hurry.
PENNY: It's a toilet hat? No, it's a nice hat. Pretty.
KOKO: Fake stink tell-you-hurry.
PENNY: 'Fake flowers.' She said they were 'fake
AOL: Does she have hair? Or is it like fur?
PENNY: She has hair. You have hair, right Koko?
KOKO: Fine (on head at 'hair' position).
Drink XXX give-me.
PENNY: She signed 'fine' on her head.
KOKO: Fine (at brow) you-hurry.
PENNY: She has 'fine hair,' she said. It's beautiful!
KOKO: Lips good hurry-you.
AOL: How big is she?
PENNY: She's about 5 feet tall and weighs about
300-310 lbs. She has a big tummy! What else can I say about you,
AOL: Koko tell us what you look like in your words?
PENNY: These people on the phone would like to know
what you look like.
KOKO: This. (Indicating flower on scrunchie).
PENNY: Oh, that does...
KOKO: This...stink. This. (Indicating flower
PENNY: ...have a 'flower' on it. She's showing me
there's a flower...'that flower there'... one of the scrunchies
has a big sun flower on it. That.
KOKO: That. (Indicating sunflower on scrunchie.)
KOKO: That fine eat know give-me. (Koko scratches
her face.) Eat. (Koko scratches her face again.)
PENNY: 'Eat know' K-N-O-W 'eat' so she wants a little
more of the snack, apparently.
PENNY: Was that a tiny 'obnoxious' sign? There was
a little suggestion of maybe - are you tired?
KOKO: Sleep lie-down. This (indicating red
scrunchie) red red hurry.
PENNY: 'That red red,' to the scrunchie that's red.
KOKO: Good sip give-me.
PENNY: I think it's about dinner time for her now.
AOL: How do you feel about Michael?
PENNY: Koko? How do you feel about Michael?
KOKO: Foot, foot, bigtoe-foot (simultaneously,
each hand active) good go.
AOL: 'Foot' means male, right?
PENNY: Yes, he's a good male.
PENNY: And then she signed 'nipple' and she had
the alligator bite the scrunchie...
KOKO: Good kiss* go hurry. (Perhaps Koko
wants PP to hang up?)
K puts her finger in the alligator's mouth and pulls
out quickly. Then she picks up the lady doll.
KOKO: Kiss. (The lady doll.)
PENNY: ..and she signed 'good,' and she's acting
out a little here, and the alligator is biting the lady doll again.
KOKO: Good hurry-you.
KOKO: Good hurry.
AOL: What about Ndume?
PENNY: OK, what about Ndume? What do you think about
KOKO: Frown bad bad bad.
PENNY: Oh no!
AOL: Oh dear.
PENNY: Not such a good review of Ndume.
KOKO: Toilet down kiss* good go hurry. (Penny
thinks Koko's meaning is: Kiss-bye & to hang up.)
AOL: Uh oh!
PENNY: Oh, honey! I thought you were good friends.
AOL: I thought he was supposed to be her mate! What
did he do to you today, Koko?
PENNY: I don't know... she doesn't have good things
to say about him today anyway.
KOKO: This (indicating flower on scrunchie)
PENNY: What did Ndume do today?
KOKO: Down obnoxious. (Koko signed 'obnoxious'
PENNY: She said that before in a statement it was
something about 'Ndume down.' He did something 'obnoxious' that
was 'down', but I didn't see what happened. Maybe they had a little
KOKO: Kiss (on fingertip) go behind (pointing
toward her right rear) down.
PENNY: OK. All right, Koko...She's reading a birthday
PENNY: ...and signing 'lipstick'...
PENNY: 'lipstick lips.'
AOL: This is interesting, from the audience, not
sure how you'd askthis: Koko, do you feel love from the humans who
have raised you and cared for you? Ely35150 asked that. We'll see
what she says!
PENNY: I need to simplify that.
KOKO: This (on word? inside card) nipple
this. (On card.)
PENNY: Koko, do you think the people here love you?
KOKO: People (on her head the way Penny signed
it) apple give me.
PENNY: People give her her favorite foods. That
was what she said: 'people apple give me.' Her sign for people is
like this; 'Person apple give me.' Do they love you?
KOKO: Fine (at 'people' position) don't-know
PENNY: Do they love you?
KOKO: Love no. (Headshake.)
PENNY: She signed something before that but now
she's signing 'love' and then a 'head shake.' OH, honey, this doesn't
sound good at all.
KOKO: Browse (tenative) for there hurry.
(Indicating cereal treats in Penny's pocket.)
PENNY: Oh she said something 'for'...'Michael' or
KOKO: Browse drink polite nipple there hurry.
PENNY: It was 'browse drink polite nipple.' Browse
is the kind of browsing food we give them. It's little things that
they can graize on. And that's what I am feeding her now in lieu
of her dinner because we're on the phone. But, Koko, do you think
people love you?
KOKO: Kiss kiss kiss (on alligator toy) Koko-love.
PENNY: She's kissing her alligator and signing 'Koko-love'.
KOKO: That nipple go drink, go. Lights-off
PENNY: (Laughing.) 'Lights-off good.' That's like
AOL: That sounds like a good segue!
K picks up a picture of a chimpanzee.
KOKO: This. (Indicating the picture.)
PENNY: Because the 'lights-off good' means that
Ron has a light on the camera. So we're turning the lights off here.
She's having the alligator bite her chimpanzee picture.
AOL: Let's let her off the hook then! Tell us that
about the Maui preserve, what you're hoping to do?
KOKO: Mouth give-me. (Indicating browse Penny
is taking from her pocket.)
PENNY: Our dream is to establish a preserve on 70
KOKO: Give-me. (Asking for browse.)
PENNY: ...land donated on West Maui by Maui Land
KOKO: This nipple. (Pointing to a picture
of a chimpanzee.)
After signing 'this nipple,' Koko then holds the
corner of the picture to her breast.
PENNY: ...and that would...
KOKO: This. (Tapping the picture several
PENNY: ...be a sanctuary for gorillas...
KOKO: Give-me do. (Asking for browse.)
KOKO: Good kiss* give-me.
PENNY: ...Koko, Michael and Ndume.
KOKO: Purr...darn (Indicating chimpanzee
PENNY: ...A place where they would be safe and would
be able to raise a family.
KOKO: Give-me hurry kiss* good give-me.
AOL: Will you be able to recreate a natural family
PENNY: Right, this is what we're hoping. Not only
would we have a more natural environment because it's very much
like the climate of Africa, but we'd be able to have a natural family
unit which is a male, several females and their babies...and their
babies... Yes, that is usually the case.
PENNY: She said 'fake' and she's having her alligator
bite the lady doll.
KOKO: Good give-me.
AOL: What does 'fake' mean to her?
PENNY: 'Fake' means false. I mean...
KOKO: Lip hurry there.
PENNY:..maybe some of what I'm saying...I don't
know... She said it just before she acted out that little scene,
but also, I had answered a question of yours about multiple females
and 1 male and of course, that's not the situation we have.
PENNY: She signed 'obnoxious...fake.' What I have
to explain to you and her is that we're working to have this happen.
She knows that it's not so right now so she might be responding
to what I'm saying.
PENNY: She signing 'gorilla.' Yes, a place for gorillas
to have families.
KOKO: Frown red bad bad... red good give-me.
PENNY: 'Frown bad' because she doesn't have one.
I think this is a reaction to the fact that this is not what she
AOL: She IS smart!
PENNY: This is something I'm talking about, but
it hasn't happened. And the reason we haven't been able to make
it happen yet is...
KOKO: Kiss* give-me.
PENNY: ...that we're trying very hard to raise the
money that it will take to build the preserve and make it habitable
for them. That's going to take about $7 million, and we're less
than 1/2 way there. So we're hoping that corporations, the public
at large, foundations will help us with that project. And we are
now approaching them and asking, so we're asking here, too.
KOKO: Hurry give-me mouth nipple.
AOL: So everyone, buy t-shirts -- every one is a
donation to the preserve! At Keyword:Heaven after the chat!
PENNY: That's great! That's one way Koko and her
future family to be can have their dream. She very much does want
to have a baby. When we bring up the subject, she often signs 'sad
frown' because it hasn't happened for her yet. She's indicated very
directly that's what she wants.
Koko has started playing with a stuffed alligator
toy and working it's zippered mouth. Then she picks up a comb and
starts combing her hair.
PENNY: She's playing with her alligator here and
she's putting a comb in the alligator's mouth.
KOKO: Good kiss* give-me.
PENNY: She signs 'good.'
AOL: Is she about finished, do you think?
PENNY: Are you finished?
KOKO: Fine have food lips lipstick hurry.
PENNY: That's like 'Ok. I'm ready for dinner!' But
that's what she said. Are you finished? 'Fine have food lips.'
AOL: So we should say goodbye?
PENNY: Shall we say good bye?
KOKO: Bye-kiss* hurry.
PENNY: She blew a kiss!
KOKO: Blow. (On the palm of her hand.)
PENNY: She blew another one. The first one she kissed
and the other one she 'blew'...
PENNY: She either does one or the other..OK, she's
indicating that it's 'OK'. It is a good time to say goodbye. OK,
we'll say goodbye then Koko.
KOKO: Good kiss* kiss* kiss* blow go.
PENNY: She's blowing more kisses right now.
AOL: Good bye and thank you Koko! Thank you Dr.
KOKO: There look have.
PENNY: They said 'Thank you.' She said 'look'...'have'
or 'feel.' I can't see too well. What? OH, she can't see you. I
think maybe that's a source of frustration. We can't see them, we
can only hear them.
AOL: I would be happy to come see her so she could
look at me!
KOKO: Hat this (indicating alligator toy)
you hurry come.
Koko takes Penny's hand and puts it on the toy.
PENNY: 'Hat that?' to her alligator toy.
Penny picks up the toy and puts it on her own head.
PENNY: This is a hat? 'Hat that' for alligator toy.
Penny gives toy back to Koko.
PENNY: It's a stuffed alligator with a zipper for
a mouth. It's very unusual.
K picks up a wall mount for a video camera which
is a two foot length of hollow metal pipe.
KOKO: Blow. (Into pipe.)
PENNY: OK Koko, we're going to say good-bye then
if you have nothing more to say.
KOKO: Blow blow-kiss.
PENNY: She's sort of blowing into a pipe...
PENNY: ... sort of like I'm talking on the phone
and then she blew a kiss good-bye.
KOKO: Kiss* good-kiss go.
AOL: What will she do now when we get off the phone?
What does she eat for dinner?
KOKO: Candy hurry...candy.
PENNY: She'll probably be very pleased to have her
dinner. She's asking me for 'candy' right now. After dinner.
KOKO: Candy hurry.
PENNY: She has vegetables for dinner ... raw vegetables...
PENNY: Yes, like a big salad.
PENNY: She wants to hear, but the only trouble is
phone cord won't quite stretch this far Koko. Do you want to hear
Penny puts phone to Koko's ear.
KOKO: Huff* huff.* (Into phone.)
AOL: Hello Koko?... I just asked her about her dinner
over the phone!
PENNY: Can you hear them?
Penny takes the phone from Koko's ear.
Koko takes the phone and holds it to her other ear.
PENNY: Did you hear?
KOKO: Huff.* (Into phone.) Visitor Koko-love
lips lipstick lip.
PENNY: 'Visitor Koko-love lips lipstick lip.' She
loves you guys.
AOL: I love her too!
PENNY: They say they love you too Koko. They love
KOKO: Have good-kiss* go.
PENNY: 'Have good' it looked like she said. That
was 'good' that you love her.
AOL: I'd like to see you some time!
Koko picks up her plastic troll doll.
PENNY: She said she'd like to see you. She's playing
with her troll doll now! (Laughing.)
We'll sign off now!
AOL: Thank you and good night!
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