[IC] "Team Spirit" - PBT Dye-Sub DSA GeekHack keycaps! (PimpMyKeyboard.com)

[jdcarpe]

If I'm doing something that I feel is in some way helpful/beneficial to the community (at large, not just the web site where it gathers), should I really have to ask permission?

Absolutely. Carpe Keyboards isn't a business, it's my personal brand that I use for my keyboard creations. If someone wanted to produce something with my name or logo on it, because they thought it benefited me or my brand in some way, while I would be flattered for sure, I would definitely expect them to seek my permission first! Otherwise, it would feel as if I had been "ripped off," so to speak, by them using it without my knowledge.

All the more so if someone expects the very owners of the brand to support the product, as in a group buy.

You may think that is extreme for me to expect of someone, while I think it perfectly reasonable.

[byker]

I think it makes perfect sense JD. If you want to use something that isn't yours, you should ask. Regardless of the intention, even if it is positive I think anyone would want to know when "their" creative design is being used.

[Data]

If I'm doing something that I feel is in some way helpful/beneficial to the community (at large, not just the web site where it gathers), should I really have to ask permission?

Absolutely. Carpe Keyboards isn't a business, it's my personal brand that I use for my keyboard creations. If someone wanted to produce something with my name or logo on it, because they thought it benefited me or my brand in some way, while I would be flattered for sure, I would definitely expect them to seek my permission first! Otherwise, it would feel as if I had been "ripped off," so to speak, by them using it without my knowledge.

All the more so if someone expects the very owners of the brand to support the product, as in a group buy.

You may think that is extreme for me to expect of someone, while I think it perfectly reasonable.

See, this is what I'm talking about though.  You're applying brand awareness principles (which I agree with, by the way) to an entity with no brand and (arguably) no stake -- or, at best, a shared community stake.  GeekHack.org doesn't make or sell a product.  Geek Hack is not Coke, or Disney, or Nike.  From what I can tell, there's not even an LLC behind the web site (which was surprising).  Therefore, there can be no loss of brand equity.

If I'm doing something cool like making caps for the community, with or without permission (from whom?), how could that possibly harm the community brand?  IT DOES NOT FOLLOW.

[jdcarpe]

I'm pretty sure the Geekhack brand is owned by Geekhackers, LLC

[Data]

I'm pretty sure the Geekhack brand is owned by Geekhackers, LLC

I'm not finding anything under "geek hack" or "geekhack" at the USPTO.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's totally polite and cool to ask first.  But likewise, it's really poor form to freak out and turn into the brand police over a Geek Hack key that maybe didn't get the fullest community blessing first.  It's not like they're rare or even particularly special.  I understand the community interest, especially in light of our "feud" with Reddit, but it gets a bit absurd at times.  There was no reason to jump all over this guy.

[SpAmRaY]

I'm pretty sure the Geekhack brand is owned by Geekhackers, LLC

I'm not finding anything under "geek hack" or "geekhack" at the USPTO.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's totally polite and cool to ask first.  But likewise, it's really poor form to freak out and turn into the brand police over a Geek Hack key that maybe didn't get the fullest community blessing first.  It's not like they're rare or even particularly special.  I understand the community interest, especially in light of our "feud" with Reddit, but it gets a bit absurd at times.  There was no reason to jump all over this guy.

See you don't look at a geek hack key the same way I do. To me they are special and there are some rare ones, ask halverson.

Like I said on reddit why would a community who doesn't like this place even want to have geek hack caps made? Let geek hack worry about making geek hack caps and r/mk can make r/mk caps.

And again do I need to remind everyone the only reason this thread was posted here was because ripster encouraged it to be? Clearly for the purpose of trolling?

[FrostyToast]

I'm pretty sure the Geekhack brand is owned by Geekhackers, LLC

I'm not finding anything under "geek hack" or "geekhack" at the USPTO.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's totally polite and cool to ask first.  But likewise, it's really poor form to freak out and turn into the brand police over a Geek Hack key that maybe didn't get the fullest community blessing first.  It's not like they're rare or even particularly special.  I understand the community interest, especially in light of our "feud" with Reddit, but it gets a bit absurd at times.  There was no reason to jump all over this guy.

See you don't look at a geek hack key the same way I do. To me they are special and there are some rare ones, ask halverson.

Like I said on reddit why would a community who doesn't like this place even want to have geek hack caps made? Let geek hack worry about making geek hack caps and r/mk can make r/mk caps.

And again do I need to remind everyone the only reason this thread was posted here was because ripster encouraged it to be? Clearly for the purpose of trolling?

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Yeah, after this I definitely won't consider joining this GB at all.
Not even if he gets approval.

[Data]

I'm pretty sure the Geekhack brand is owned by Geekhackers, LLC

I'm not finding anything under "geek hack" or "geekhack" at the USPTO.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's totally polite and cool to ask first.  But likewise, it's really poor form to freak out and turn into the brand police over a Geek Hack key that maybe didn't get the fullest community blessing first.  It's not like they're rare or even particularly special.  I understand the community interest, especially in light of our "feud" with Reddit, but it gets a bit absurd at times.  There was no reason to jump all over this guy.

See you don't look at a geek hack key the same way I do. To me they are special and there are some rare ones, ask halverson.

Like I said on reddit why would a community who doesn't like this place even want to have geek hack caps made? Let geek hack worry about making geek hack caps and r/mk can make r/mk caps.

And again do I need to remind everyone the only reason this thread was posted here was because ripster encouraged it to be? Clearly for the purpose of trolling?

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And this response is exactly what ripster wanted.

You've taken the bait.  If the response had been, "Cool man.  Nice key set." instead, then the troll would have failed completely.  But that didn't happen.  Much kneejerking happened instead.

Poor form.

[ideus]

Enough teen spirit for the team spirit.

[base_on_base]

I'm also not as aware of GH as I could be. I check through the forums every now and then, but I prefer the straight-forward approach of any reddit "forum" since these "old school" forums are way to interlaced for my taste

Feel free to stay on reddit, we don't mind, take your friends to.

A "team spirit" strong example. LOL.

Yes it goes quite well with this

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so this thread is literally a troll by reddit

but they make sure to ask one of their own permission to use his cap

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And how did asking if OP asked permission to use 'geek hack' warrant these responses?

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Oh one more

Whoa, calm yourself. You're getting all worked up again.

well, this is cause this kind of childish nonsense just gets me worked up...

I'm starting to get so pissed about this, I might try to start some kind of harmonization between the two (GH & /r/mk)...

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Your definition of harmonization must be very unique.

Do you REALLY think that I spent hours starting an interest check on PimpMyKeyboard just to mess with you?

[base_on_base]

I'm pretty sure the Geekhack brand is owned by Geekhackers, LLC

I'm not finding anything under "geek hack" or "geekhack" at the USPTO.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's totally polite and cool to ask first.  But likewise, it's really poor form to freak out and turn into the brand police over a Geek Hack key that maybe didn't get the fullest community blessing first.  It's not like they're rare or even particularly special.  I understand the community interest, especially in light of our "feud" with Reddit, but it gets a bit absurd at times.  There was no reason to jump all over this guy.

See you don't look at a geek hack key the same way I do. To me they are special and there are some rare ones, ask halverson.

Like I said on reddit why would a community who doesn't like this place even want to have geek hack caps made? Let geek hack worry about making geek hack caps and r/mk can make r/mk caps.

And again do I need to remind everyone the only reason this thread was posted here was because ripster encouraged it to be? Clearly for the purpose of trolling?

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"Let geek hack worry about making geek hack caps and r/mk can make r/mk caps." I'm a member of BOTH communities. I know your baseless /r/MK hating makes it hard for you to understand that but some of us don't blindly hate thousands of people because of which website they enjoy going on.

Also, no Ripster did not tell me to post this. I made the interest check, posted it to /r/MK AND GeekHack, then Ripster, in the comments of my /r/MK post, said that I should post it here, I replied with the link to my GeekHack post, then you go ape**** thinking that it's all a big conspiracy to make you look silly. If you don't want to buy it, don't, I literally couldn't care. But whether or not you're convinced that Ripster and everyone on /r/MK is "out to get ya", I'll still be apart of the GeekHack community, which is kinda what these key caps are all about.

[Oobly]

I'm pretty sure the Geekhack brand is owned by Geekhackers, LLC

I'm not finding anything under "geek hack" or "geekhack" at the USPTO.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's totally polite and cool to ask first.  But likewise, it's really poor form to freak out and turn into the brand police over a Geek Hack key that maybe didn't get the fullest community blessing first.  It's not like they're rare or even particularly special.  I understand the community interest, especially in light of our "feud" with Reddit, but it gets a bit absurd at times.  There was no reason to jump all over this guy.

See you don't look at a geek hack key the same way I do. To me they are special and there are some rare ones, ask halverson.

Like I said on reddit why would a community who doesn't like this place even want to have geek hack caps made? Let geek hack worry about making geek hack caps and r/mk can make r/mk caps.

And again do I need to remind everyone the only reason this thread was posted here was because ripster encouraged it to be? Clearly for the purpose of trolling?

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"Let geek hack worry about making geek hack caps and r/mk can make r/mk caps." I'm a member of BOTH communities. I know your baseless /r/MK hating makes it hard for you to understand that but some of us don't blindly hate thousands of people because of which website they enjoy going on.

Also, no Ripster did not tell me to post this. I made the interest check, posted it to /r/MK AND GeekHack, then Ripster, in the comments of my /r/MK post, said that I should post it here, I replied with the link to my GeekHack post, then you go ape**** thinking that it's all a big conspiracy to make you look silly. If you don't want to buy it, don't, I literally couldn't care. But whether or not you're convinced that Ripster and everyone on /r/MK is "out to get ya", I'll still be apart of the GeekHack community, which is kinda what these key caps are all about.

Cool, just ask first next time. It's not too much to ask someone to have common courtesy.

And just so it's clear, informing after the fact is not the same as asking beforehand.

IMHO, the thread was going fine, no overheated egos, people just politely pointing out that the OP made a judgement error and discussing the legalities of identity ownership and then rioc's post slammed in like a ton of teen rage.

I recommend you put the GB on hold, ask permission and proceed from there. As Matt3o says, if you'd done this in the first place you'd probably have been given the official font to use. You may still be. Whereas if you just push this through out of contrariness, don't expect common courtesy in return for not giving any yourself.

[Krogenar]

You've taken the bait.  If the response had been, "Cool man.  Nice key set." instead, then the troll would have failed completely.  But that didn't happen.  Much kneejerking happened instead.

Poor form.

I have to agree. This looks like a troll attempt. It was poor form on their part, to troll at all. Common decency would dictate that you at least ask permission before using the 'Geekhack' key. And it doesn't matter if GH has trademarked the name, etc. with the patent office -- there are still common law protections just for publishing and operating as Geekhack. Publishing your control of the trademark gives you more protections, it doesn't remove them.

Thanks Reddit, for the most Orwellian-named keyset to date.

[rioc]

Your definition of harmonization must be very unique.

It sure is... yes...
took you some time to find out.

also, I admit, half of my posts were trolls, cause I ****ing love how people can wind themselves up over bull**** like this... the other half is pissed off over people who get pissed off over bull**** like this and then I wind myself up... (it's a fight within myself, yes, I see that too)... but hey... it's the friggin net... what do you expect?

[nubbinator]

But seriously, it started out completely polite with what's a normal question here, did you ask permission.  Whenever something with Cherry legends pops up, that gets asked.  Whenever certain keys paid for by OTD appear in buys, that gets asked.  Whenever someone wants to do something like this, that question always gets asked.

With the GH keys, I know they generally get run by a member with any and all profit getting donated to GH.  It's just polite to ask first before doing something like that.

[neverused]

Your definition of harmonization must be very unique.

It sure is... yes...
took you some time to find out.

also, I admit, half of my posts were trolls, cause I ****ing love how people can wind themselves up over bull**** like this... the other half is pissed off over people who get pissed off over bull**** like this and then I wind myself up... (it's a fight within myself, yes, I see that too)... but hey... it's the friggin net... what do you expect?

The location of an expressed thought should not be an excuse for rudeness or poor taste. You seem quite experienced in both respects and stirring the pot in your particular manner is childish and ignorant at best, though I would evaluate it as more pathetic and attention starved than anything.

[00zeRO]

tl:dr

another reason I never go on reddit...they can have their unrestricted, angry, self-loathing, neverloving, overindulging, overreaching selves a great time.

It appears that r/mk may one day threaten the good name of our established business, Mechanical Keyboards, Inc. May it never be so...do you hear me foul-spirited redditors...

Retraction: I didn't mean to generalize, and for that I am sorry. There are foul-spirited redditors, but they comprise but a small percentage of those who submit reddits on r/MK. One of which is nothing more than a tattler, and I am sure many here knows who he is and why he is banned from GeekHack. I should have never even typed a single syllable. For that, please accept my apology: I am sorry.

[base_on_base]

I'm pretty sure the Geekhack brand is owned by Geekhackers, LLC

I'm not finding anything under "geek hack" or "geekhack" at the USPTO.

Don't get me wrong, I think it's totally polite and cool to ask first.  But likewise, it's really poor form to freak out and turn into the brand police over a Geek Hack key that maybe didn't get the fullest community blessing first.  It's not like they're rare or even particularly special.  I understand the community interest, especially in light of our "feud" with Reddit, but it gets a bit absurd at times.  There was no reason to jump all over this guy.

See you don't look at a geek hack key the same way I do. To me they are special and there are some rare ones, ask halverson.

Like I said on reddit why would a community who doesn't like this place even want to have geek hack caps made? Let geek hack worry about making geek hack caps and r/mk can make r/mk caps.

And again do I need to remind everyone the only reason this thread was posted here was because ripster encouraged it to be? Clearly for the purpose of trolling?

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"Let geek hack worry about making geek hack caps and r/mk can make r/mk caps." I'm a member of BOTH communities. I know your baseless /r/MK hating makes it hard for you to understand that but some of us don't blindly hate thousands of people because of which website they enjoy going on.

Also, no Ripster did not tell me to post this. I made the interest check, posted it to /r/MK AND GeekHack, then Ripster, in the comments of my /r/MK post, said that I should post it here, I replied with the link to my GeekHack post, then you go ape**** thinking that it's all a big conspiracy to make you look silly. If you don't want to buy it, don't, I literally couldn't care. But whether or not you're convinced that Ripster and everyone on /r/MK is "out to get ya", I'll still be apart of the GeekHack community, which is kinda what these key caps are all about.

Cool, just ask first next time. It's not too much to ask someone to have common courtesy.

And just so it's clear, informing after the fact is not the same as asking beforehand.

IMHO, the thread was going fine, no overheated egos, people just politely pointing out that the OP made a judgement error and discussing the legalities of identity ownership and then rioc's post slammed in like a ton of teen rage.

I recommend you put the GB on hold, ask permission and proceed from there. As Matt3o says, if you'd done this in the first place you'd probably have been given the official font to use. You may still be. Whereas if you just push this through out of contrariness, don't expect common courtesy in return for not giving any yourself.

Look, I genuinely apologize. I wasn't aware that Geek Hack was so exclusive over who was 'allowed' to produce keys with Geek Hack written on them. I will make sure to properly ask the admins next time. Additionally, I am unable to pause the group buy, signature plastics won't like it if I tell them to pull out at this point.

Additional note: This will be the last comment I make in this thread regarding my lack of contacting admins before beginning the interest check with signature plastics.

[GSimon]

tl:dr

another reason I never go on reddit...they can have their unrestricted, angry, self-loathing, neverloving, overindulging, overreaching selves a great time.

It appears that r/mk may one day threaten the good name of our established business, Mechanical Keyboards, Inc. May it never be so...do you hear me foul-spirited redditors... 

Lol, what's funny is for the most part reddit, particularly /r/mk, is good-natured, largely due to the voting system and backlash of downvotes. They're also pretty understanding due to the desire to support each other over what most 'outsiders' would consider to be a frivolous/nerdy hobby. The overindulging & overreaching might have some credence however.

If anything I initially had to tone down my angry/hateful comments because of how sensitive a lot of them are. I think one example was I stated "who cares what someone does to some old keyboard anyway" after a user painted an IBM keyboard black and the subreddit was against that on principle. I still stand by that statement, it's their property, but I tend to keep those comments to myself now. Not saying I don't ever step out of line though

[00zeRO]

tl:dr

another reason I never go on reddit...they can have their unrestricted, angry, self-loathing, neverloving, overindulging, overreaching selves a great time.

It appears that r/mk may one day threaten the good name of our established business, Mechanical Keyboards, Inc. May it never be so...do you hear me foul-spirited redditors... 

Lol, what's funny is for the most part reddit, particularly /r/mk, is good-natured, largely due to the voting system and backlash of downvotes. They're also pretty understanding due to the desire to support each other over what most 'outsiders' would consider to be a frivolous/nerdy hobby. The overindulging & overreaching might have some credence however.

If anything I initially had to tone down my angry/hateful comments because of how sensitive a lot of them are. I think one example was I stated "who cares what someone does to some old keyboard anyway" after a user painted an IBM keyboard black and the subreddit was against that on principle. I still stand by that statement, it's their property, but I tend to keep those comments to myself now. Not saying I don't ever step out of line though

Well, the post that caused me to stop following r/MK was when a guy was bragging about his self love being all over his keyboard before sending it in to be RMA'd. He goes into quite a bit of detail, and needless to say, I was eating. From that day forward, I was done with reddit...clearly there are no restrictions, reminds me of the old Cole Porter song, 'Anything Goes'

[GSimon]

Well, the post that caused me to stop following r/MK was when a guy was bragging about his self love being all over his keyboard before sending it in to be RMA'd. He goes into quite a bit of detail, and needless to say, I was eating. From that day forward, I was done with reddit...clearly there are no restrictions, reminds me of the old Cole Porter song, 'Anything Goes'

I guess you've never come across Elrick's comments, things can get quite sexual here as well:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.msg1616256#msg1616256
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51026.msg1612928#msg1612928

[00zeRO]

Well, the post that caused me to stop following r/MK was when a guy was bragging about his self love being all over his keyboard before sending it in to be RMA'd. He goes into quite a bit of detail, and needless to say, I was eating. From that day forward, I was done with reddit...clearly there are no restrictions, reminds me of the old Cole Porter song, 'Anything Goes'

I guess you've never come across Elrick's comments, things can get quite sexual here as well:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.msg1616256#msg1616256
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51026.msg1612928#msg1612928

I suppose you are thinking I will click those links? Nah.

[pwnnarwhal]

Well, the post that caused me to stop following r/MK was when a guy was bragging about his self love being all over his keyboard before sending it in to be RMA'd. He goes into quite a bit of detail, and needless to say, I was eating. From that day forward, I was done with reddit...clearly there are no restrictions, reminds me of the old Cole Porter song, 'Anything Goes'

I guess you've never come across Elrick's comments, things can get quite sexual here as well:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.msg1616256#msg1616256
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=51026.msg1612928#msg1612928

I suppose you are thinking I will click those links? Nah.

Do it, they are very arousing ( ° °)

[Bro Caps]

tl:dr

another reason I never go on reddit...they can have their unrestricted, angry, self-loathing, neverloving, overindulging, overreaching selves a great time.

It appears that r/mk may one day threaten the good name of our established business, Mechanical Keyboards, Inc. May it never be so...do you hear me foul-spirited redditors... 

Way to alienate a large portion of business for your website, imo.

[nubbinator]

tl:dr

another reason I never go on reddit...they can have their unrestricted, angry, self-loathing, neverloving, overindulging, overreaching selves a great time.

It appears that r/mk may one day threaten the good name of our established business, Mechanical Keyboards, Inc. May it never be so...do you hear me foul-spirited redditors... 

Way to alienate a large portion of business for your website, imo.

yup

[Bro Caps]

tl:dr

another reason I never go on reddit...they can have their unrestricted, angry, self-loathing, neverloving, overindulging, overreaching selves a great time.

It appears that r/mk may one day threaten the good name of our established business, Mechanical Keyboards, Inc. May it never be so...do you hear me foul-spirited redditors... 

Way to alienate a large portion of business for your website, imo.

yup

I certainly hope he is not the sole representative of mk.com, because that's pretty scary, if so.

[exitfire401]

tl:dr

another reason I never go on reddit...they can have their unrestricted, angry, self-loathing, neverloving, overindulging, overreaching selves a great time.

It appears that r/mk may one day threaten the good name of our established business, Mechanical Keyboards, Inc. May it never be so...do you hear me foul-spirited redditors... 

Way to alienate a large portion of business for your website, imo.

yup

That thread just made my brain hurt

[madhias]

...and 693 Guests are viewing this topic.

[jdcarpe]

...and 693 Guests are viewing this topic.

That's most likely the whole of r/MK. They may have 60,000 "subscribers," but probably 1% actually read and post in the sub.

[Data]

tl:dr

another reason I never go on reddit...they can have their unrestricted, angry, self-loathing, neverloving, overindulging, overreaching selves a great time.

It appears that r/mk may one day threaten the good name of our established business, Mechanical Keyboards, Inc. May it never be so...do you hear me foul-spirited redditors... 

Way to alienate a large portion of business for your website, imo.

yup

Some people are taking Zero's tongue-in-cheek White Knight post a little too seriously on Reddit?