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[–]claireheadThe Criminal Element of Woodlawn 68 points69 points  (1 child)

Hyndmandy: Thank Krista and wish her peace and joy in her life.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I will(:

[–]dallyanDana Chivvis Fan 108 points109 points  (14 children)

Thanks for this. I feel bad for an exchange I had with Krista where I assumed things about her that she corrected. I feel horrible thinking that I might be one of the people who drove her off. I think her points are well taken.

[–]whitenoise2323giant rat-eating frog 54 points55 points  (4 children)

I appreciate this comment. I wanted to give it more than just an upvote because taking accountability instead of being defensive is really awesome and admirable.

[–]Aktow 13 points14 points  (2 children)

Or don't do it in the first place....

Edit: I did the same thing I accused dallyan of doing. My comment was unfair to a very fair Redditor. My apologies.

[–]dallyanDana Chivvis Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks!

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 20 points21 points  (4 children)

I'll let her know you said so.

[–]InTheory_What news do you bring? 22 points23 points  (1 child)

The more you over explain the more suspect it looks

Good thought. Gonna take that one to heart.

[–]KnottyKitties 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I think the "WERE ADNAN AND JAY HOMOSEXUALS IN A HOMOSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP?" speculation might have done me in. Krista, if you happen to read this one day, you made a good decision.

[–]Aktow 22 points23 points  (15 children)

I've read some pretty offensive things about Hae in here. Krista has every right to be upset. What's even more bizarre is how many people don't see it.

[–]Justwonderinif 2 points3 points  (14 children)

It's bizarre that criticizing Susan Simpson for slinging mud at Hae, is worse than actually slinging mud at Hae.

[–]Jeff25rsPro-Serial Drone 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So SS's "mud slinging" could be paraphrased as "Some people said Hae smoked weed and in that group of friends it is likely she went to Jay for weed"

It would be good to know who these people are who claimed she smoked weed, but the statement in of itself is not some horrible slight against Hae. Who cares if she smoked weed? I don't think it was a value judgement of Hae. It was a postulation at another way she and Jay could have run into each other.

[–]itisntfairDana Chivvis Fan -2 points-1 points  (12 children)

I agree. Susan has been reduced to coming up with conspiracy theory's involving drugs and Hae with no basis whatsoever and it gets people who believe Adnan's innocence all wound up and they run with it. Its gross

[–]dorbiaBadass Uncle 11 points12 points  (1 child)

LOL. I mean, criticize SS for speculating if you want to. But saying she "has been reduced to" that is ridiculous even by the standards of this sub. She has written more fact-based analysis of this case than this entire sub. Or maybe you can explain how http://viewfromll2.com/2015/02/12/serial-the-burial-in-leakin-park-did-not-take-place-at-700-p-m/ entirely consists of coming up with conspiracy theories invovling drugs and Hae?

[–]shimokitazawa 12 points13 points  (35 children)

Thanks for posting this.

[–]themarchsistersThe Criminal Element of Woodlawn 11 points12 points  (34 children)

My first post to say thanks Krista and Mandy for standing up for Hae before we go down the path of victim blaming.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 18 points19 points  (4 children)

I will let Krista know you were grateful.

These are her thoughts and opinions and I am simply sharing them. We don't agree on everything, but I deeply respect her and recognize her loss and place in this discussion and feel what she says sometimes should be shared.

[–]gertiestnIs it NOT? 4 points5 points  (3 children)

Thank you, & thank Krista.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I will pass it along(:

[–]gertiestnIs it NOT? 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you.

[–]mo_12 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I very much respect Krista and find it sad that people did not treat her with more kindness, even deference, given her special insight and even-handedness.

I think it's important, though, to state that wondering if Hae used marijuana is not, on its own, blaming the victim in any way. In fact, I think people claiming that the mere speculation that Hae might have bought weed is somehow disrespectful are actually falling more closely into the trap of "victim blaming". That need to protect the halo around Hae implies that only victims who are pristine are deserving of full sympathy and blamelessness when they are victims of a crime.

Whether or not Hae smoked up (or did other drugs or engaged in other less-than-perfect behavior) does not change in any way the fact that an innocent, precious life, full of potential, was taken that day.

[–]westsidekimp -5 points-4 points  (27 children)

What an easy, meaningless thing to say in my opinion, themarchsisters. "Victim blaming." I think you are projecting your own views here. Speculating that someone may have purchased weed from Jay or his associates has nothing to do with victim blaming.

"my first post".... "before we go down the path".... you are talking like you own the subject and may or may not have once been a hallway monitor.

[–]ll2fan2Susan Simpson Fan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That was a very heavy handed and unkind post. Needlessly so. I don't even get what you are trying to say, besides being mean.

[–]themarchsistersThe Criminal Element of Woodlawn 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You're right I am projecting my own views. Speculating aka making stuff up about a girl that's dead breaking the law in my view is victim blaming. I spent a large part of my life in court listening to idiots speculating that because a girl once had a one night stand she would of course consent to sleeping with a complete stranger with a knife at her throat.

I don't own the subject and have no idea whether Adnan, Jay or a random serial killer killed Hae. I'm looking forward to the DNA test hopefully shedding some light on the issue. As I dated the local drug dealer in school who was in and out of prison, I was hardly a hall monitor, but as you seem to be as good at speculating about me as you are about Hae. You've just proved my point for me. Have a good life.

[–]Seamus_DuncanDana Chivvis Fan -4 points-3 points  (24 children)

How is "She was involved in illegal activity that got her killed" NOT victim blaming?

[–]soliketotally 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Because smoking weed isn't something that gets people killed... Or justifies their killing....The only people that would think that are psycho old people.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 19 points20 points  (1 child)

Why are you putting quotes around something that isn't a quote?

[–]Jodi1kenobiDana Chivvis Fan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for this. These things needed to be said. I really appreciate you and Krista taking the time to do this.

[–]waltzintomordorMailChimp Fan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Wow. I'm sorry that Krista left. She was one of the few truly helpful people on the sub.

Thanks for the info!

[–]UnderTheThimbleDana Chivvis Fan 34 points35 points  (13 children)

She's right, of course. People who think Adnan is guilty were being confrontational and tactless with her, and people who think Adnan is innocent have been wading deeper and deeper into speculation. I think she made the right call to leave this sub, but the way that she just told her own truths was very positive and why I think most people, regardless of what they think of the case, respect her.

[–]PowerOfYesModerator 6 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Confirming /u/Hyndmandy has been verified as a friend of Krista.

[–]div2n 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Personally I don't think smoking weed is a reputation tarnishing action, so when I made references to it, I didn't feel I was being irreverent. Moreover, she kept the company of those that clearly did on a regular basis so I presume at a minimum she didn't judge those that did too harshly. I'm not sure if I've read anywhere that she abhorred it, so I'm not sure how to take Krista's comments beyond it tarnishing HER view of Hae. Maybe her family wouldn't appreciate it and in that case it's legit. I seriously doubt they're reading much here, but in the event they are I would suggest to them that at least some folks bringing up marijuana use aren't doing so to speak ill of their daughter. For those folks (including me), it's no different than saying she drank alcohol, smoked cigarettes or even something as benign as liking pizza.

Fun fact: some endurance athletes use marijuana to boost their performance.

[–]Jodi1kenobiDana Chivvis Fan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Maybe her family wouldn't appreciate it and in that case it's legit.

For me, this is exactly where the problem lies with baseless claims, but not just her family, but her friends, the people that knew her. Try to imagine losing someone important to you, and then years later having people on the Internet saying crazy things about your friend, that you know aren't true. It's hurtful, because regardless of whether or not smoking pot matters for a persons reputation, it's not who they were, and it would be hard to watch people talk about someone you cared about in a way that wasn't them. So for me, knowing that Hae's friend said that she didn't smoke pot, it kind of breaks my heart a little to watch people say otherwise like its a fact.

It's the same reason the Adnan and Jay were gay lovers theories are not taken seriously, and are seen as a bit distasteful. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality, but it is wrong to say someone is gay if they aren't.

[–]div2n 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Personally it wouldn't make me upset if someone claimed someone I love who was dead was a pot user even if it were untrue for the reason I stated. I might feel inclined to point out it isn't true to the best of my knowledge for the sake of veracity.

Not everyone judges things similarly. And this story begs us to make conjectures to fill in gaps. Obviously doing so with care not to be overly insensitive to Hae and those that cared about her is important. I'm just going to have to disagree that suggesting possible marijuana use fits that description. Now trying to suggest anything more than "healthy" recreational use would be in my opinion. That's the difference between saying someone enjoyed a glass of wine and they were an alcoholic.

[–]KnottyKitties 12 points13 points  (19 children)

I just want to make sure I”m interpreting her accurately:

Obviously she doesn’t appreciate any allegations about Hae smoking weed, so is it fair to say that you respectfully disagree (based on your comments in the thread about Susan Simpson)? Or am I misunderstanding something?

To me it sounds like she wasn’t driven off by a particular faction. The “Adnan is guilty” people seem to have done her in, but it sounds as though all of the far-flung conspiracy theories brought up by the “he’s innocent” party also troubled her because they actually do more harm than good.

Mostly she is just frustrated that no one would actually respect what she had to say and give it appropriate weight, considering she is someone who actually went through the experience. They only wanted to hear whatever confirmed what they already believed, even if it meant disregarding her.

Please correct me if I’m mistaken about anything. Thanks to her for weighing in, and to you for posting.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

If there's anything I've learned about Krista, it's that she is honest, straightforward, and not easy to BS.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 16 points17 points  (15 children)

I respectfully disagree with her that suggesting Hae may have smoked pot is an attack on her character, but do agree that there is a bit too much of people trying to find something about Hae that made her more likely to have been murdered. There is no reason to murder a person, and there is no character trait that makes someone more or less likely to be murdered if someone has their mind set to murder them.

You are correct. I believe the tone of the entire sub was upsetting for her, and she simply did not enjoy being here, however, the day she chose to leave, she cited specific people for that decision, and those people were not supporters or undecided.

As to your third point: Bingo. She does not appreciate people reading more or less into what she's saying than what she's saying.

[–]KnottyKitties 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Thank you for explaining. I was getting thrown by all the "see, she's on our side!" type comments...which ironically prove the point she was trying to make.

I understand and respect her decision to make an exit. This wasn't a good situation for her, even with her kind of moxy.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 24 points25 points  (11 children)

I also wanted to add that the disgusting response to Krista asking the mods to silence the sub on Hae's anniversary was very upsetting for her as well. We were all pretty astounded at the sheer lack of compassion and empathy from some of the people who posted that day.

[–]sammythemc 17 points18 points  (2 children)

I couldn't believe the reaction to that. I came to the sub on the 13th and saw the message, went "Hm, that's a nice thing to do" and continued on with my day. The backlash took me completely by surprise, how could you get so venomous over something so fundamentally decent?

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't know. I think it would require being a caliber of person I'm proud not to be.

[–]Sharper_Teeth 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That's what I thought, too. It was a really sweet thing to do.

[–]ninjananNot Guilty 8 points9 points  (1 child)

Please let her know I thought the shut-down was an incredibly honorable thing to do and and it was deeply moving. Please don't let the noisy trolls get to you -- trolls actually have no power at all unless you think they do. Many of them are young people who have no understanding of how the Internet and real life intersect.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I will. I'm trying to share all words of encouragement with her(:

[–]KnottyKitties 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I actually wanted to ask you about that. I was also shocked to see that. Oddly enough it seemed to come from a lot of the same people who accuse others of not showing respect for Hae and her loved ones. Really? You can't take just one day off from your dopey speculation and arguing to reflect on the loss of an innocent young woman on the anniversary of her murder? Vile.

[–]megalynn44Susan Simpson Fan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I don't think people are looking for a justification for why Hae was murdered when they have questions about her. What I do think a lot of people can agree on, is there is a giant missing piece of the puzzle in this case. So it's only reasonable for people to wonder if there's something about Hae we don't know. Given the testimony about Hae saying she had something to do, it begs the question, what exactly were her plans that day?

[–]jonsnowmeThe Criminal Element of Woodlawn 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm glad she made the right decision for her own sanity and left. To be honest, I'm guilty of doing that too where I take one thing and say, well it could mean "SOMETHING OUTLANDISH HERE!" and I think everyone is, no matter who or what they support in this whole case. I do think Hae should be 100% off limits however, and thinking about my close friends and how I'd feel, I'd share those feelings too and I'd want to clear them up as well. I hope she knows she should be confident in what she knows and what she believes and that no one here should ever get to her because of that and I'm sad it happened at all. This is a frustrating place sometimes, I can't imagine just how frustrating to someone involved.

I am cutting my ramble off, but thanks for these little contributions and I hope with everything going on she's able to keep a level head and confidence in everything she knows to be true!

[–]kikilareiene -2 points-1 points  (1 child)

You're right on all points but with all due respect to her and anyone else involved in the case where legal proceedings are still ongoing, witnesses should not participate in this sub, I don't think. It could do potential harm and can't really help except satisfy hungry and curious people.

[–]KnottyKitties 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Probably the first time I agree with you.

She had good intentions but it did her more harm than good.

[–]milk-n-serialUndecided 4 points5 points  (22 children)

Thanks for posting! It's good to get perspective from someone who knew Hae. I would really appreciate SS divulging her source for the "Hae smoked weed" info.

[–]Jodi1kenobiDana Chivvis Fan 11 points12 points  (0 children)

FWIW, she did. She admits that she was basing this off of Saad and Rabia's claims, and nothing more.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 9 points10 points  (5 children)

Well Saad said it in his AMA.

[–]milk-n-serialUndecided 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay, that's what I had figured. Just catching up on her posts now.

[–]AnnB2013 5 points6 points  (3 children)

My understanding, and it could be wrong, is that Saad never even met Hae.

[–]kitarra 5 points6 points  (2 children)

Saad is one of Adnan's best friends, and it would be strange if the two of them hadn't talked a lot about Adnan's serious long-term girlfriend.

[–]AnnB2013 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The thing is I don't believe anything Adnan says so if he's Saad's source that's bupkis to me.

[–]bancable 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh right. And since Adnan has no agenda at all...whatever he puts out there must be so factual. How can it not be? With his dairy cow eyes?

[–]Justwonderinif -2 points-1 points  (14 children)

She has done so. The source for "We do have people who say..."

Is Saad and Rabia.

[–]budgiebudgie -1 points0 points  (12 children)

Susan Simpson has not told you her source. Stop spreading b/s.

[–]Justwonderinif 2 points3 points  (1 child)

No. She posted it on reddit. Read her posting history.

But hey,

Stop spreading b/s.

gets you a gold star from those who think Adnan is innocent.

Reddit is getting rich from the rewarding of rude comments by folks who think Adnan is innocent.

[–]budgiebudgie 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey, the truth is always golden, don't ya know.

And thank you to my anonymous benefactor. I shall pay it forward when the time and post is right.

[–]Jodi1kenobiDana Chivvis Fan 2 points3 points  (8 children)

You know that you're actually wrong about this, right? SS openly admitted in a different thread that Saad and Rabia were her sources for that comment. Here's the link if you don't believe me. I highly encourage you to read it so that you can better inform yourself.

[–]HerefortheFruitLoops 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is nice to hear. If you haven't read this then you should, humanizes all the young kids involved. Not only do I not buy the state's narrative, I don't really buy that Jay makes sense on his own either! http://observer.com/2015/02/serial-exclusive-the-teachers-of-woodlawn-high-speak-out/

I believe both of the teachers in this article more than anyone who testified at trial. Also, doesn't it seem relevant, even vital, to Adnan's defense that the jury hear the art teachers accounts of what happened in the nurse's office the day after Hae's body was found. Myself personally, if I lost a peer that was close to me, I would seek out only a few very specific teachers for support, just my thoughts.

[–]ScoutFinch2 19 points20 points  (137 children)

Thanks for posting Krista's thoughts. I'm sorry she felt she had to leave the sub, because I find her to be incredibly honest. She calls Adnan her friend to this day, so there is no reason for anyone to question her memories or motives, as I see happening so often.

I hope that her statement about Hae and marijuana will serve as a preemptive strike to any upcoming blog post by /u/ViewFromLL2 suggesting that Hae's murder was part of a drug deal gone bad. We should stick to what we know, that Hae was happily in love with her new guy and was in a hurry to pick up her cousin so that she could take a note to Don. Someone prevented her from doing that, and there is no evidence it had anything to do with drugs.

[–]ViewFromLL2 68 points69 points  (111 children)

Although it was never my intent to make this a front-page topic of discussion -- and although I recognize that by commenting I risk giving additional fodder to a non-issue -- I did want to give a brief response.

  1. I stand by the factual accuracy of my statements, and their relevance as a line of inquiry. I do regret the disproportionate attention they have received.

  2. Anyone who thinks less of Hae because of my comments is deeply misguided.

  3. Based on the amount of discussion that has been generated about one unoriginal, frequently stated, and tangential comment that I made in an hour-long podcast, it appears very much that the objections are not so much about what I said, but who said it. If you disagree with what I said, you're welcome to do so (and I do understand your point of view). However, this discussion has become about something else entirely.

  4. Somewhat off topic, but I'd still like to clarify -- I never suggested a drug deal gone bad, and I don't hold a personal belief that something like that occurred here. What I was commenting on was potential for opportunity, not motive.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Personally I think this is fairly obvious. I, for one, thought the things you said (in response to a question directing you to speculate) were completely innocuous, and the only thing that makes sense of the more melodramatic responses is that they have a problem with YOU, as you said.

[–]SD0123 26 points27 points  (23 children)

Thanks for the response, Susan, but I think -- and you're probably aware of this -- that your comments are falling on deaf ears. You don't need to provide the proper context or background information about the comments you made nor do you need to expound on your reasoning. All of the reasonable followers of this case perfectly understood the points you were making as well as their speculative value. There's no need to entertain the complaints of the few who insist on being deliberatively provocative and contentious.

[–]stiltent 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SS, you're great! When you're digesting the negative feedback from here, remember two things: there are many of us who appreciate your work and don't forget about Taylor Swift: Haters gonna hate, shake it off!

[–]Mamba2488Is it NOT? 1 point2 points  (21 children)

I think there's just some people who aren't okay with her stating something as fact when her response is "people have said it's true" as if that proves her statements. It probably doesn't help that a more qualified source doesn't agree with her statement, either. At least she's consistent, though; she takes the same approach with all her information. It explains why people are so contentious with the blog posts.

[–]jonsnowmeThe Criminal Element of Woodlawn 7 points8 points  (19 children)

There are a lot of things that we can say fairly that people have taken as fact because people have said it's true. Of course she trusts her sources, just like people trust that Hae asked for a ride because "people have said it's true." Yes, we have a name to those people but I think to say this sounds like you're implying that SS pulled it out of her ass and doesn't have people that said it's true. She doesn't owe people anything. If people believe her that's fine, if they don't that's fine. But I think SS doesn't get enough credit. Just because she holds back on sources doesn't mean anything. If she is "pulling it out of her ass" because she's not giving you the proof you think this sub deserves then you can sleep soundly knowing it would never hold up in any court to help Adnan anyway.

[–]Mamba2488Is it NOT? -1 points0 points  (18 children)

Yeah, but at what point does said information become scrutinized as self-serving? It's not on accident that this "Hae smoked weed" line came out of her mouth. It's part of the speculation that she may have been headed somewhere else after school, which is just another way to speculate Adnan may not have been involved. Which is fine. None of us can prove he did it or didn't, but it's important that we don't flood this place with more false theories based on inaccurate information.

The surprise that people have taken her words a bit more seriously is honestly amusing. She knows she holds a little more weight here given her access to things not everyone has. If anything, she should be even more careful with her assertions, but it appears to be the exact opposite that's occuring.

[–]jonsnowmeThe Criminal Element of Woodlawn 7 points8 points  (17 children)

Okay, I get what you're saying and it's inaccurate according to what this poster is saying about Krista's words. If SS trusts her sources then she trusts her sources. Theories are just theories. They aren't presented as "facts". Most of the time theories are presented just to show that hey, something else is possible here which is a key part of any legal defense. Prosecution gives their case, their theory based on facts and witnesses and the defense takes the same and says. "This could have happened too, this person could have also done it," etc. All it seems SS is doing is what any defense would do and it makes sense. A lot of people here seem to forget for some reason that that's the job and that's how you prove reasonable doubt sometimes. Sometimes theories are just presented to prove that it isn't out of the realm that there's reason to doubt this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

her stating something as fact

what are you referring to, please?

[–]dallyanDana Chivvis Fan 6 points7 points  (0 children)

"Based on the amount of discussion that has been generated about one unoriginal, frequently stated, and tangential comment that I made in an hour-long podcast, it appears very much that the objections are not so much about what I said, but who said it."

This sounds a lot like how some posters approach Jay and his statements.

[–]jonsnowmeThe Criminal Element of Woodlawn 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Honestly, you'd be better off not addressing the insanity that is this sub-reddit, especially in posts like this. I think the fact that a group of people got their shotguns out and ready to fall into the auto-defense and accusatory line, including dragging you into this, says a lot. You've done a lot of hard work, you're entitled to your interpretations and they hold more weight with the general population paying attention than (clearly) some people would like. This is a trial by Reddit and many key players have been put on trial here including you, Rabia, Saad, Krista, and other users that claimed to have information regarding the case that were never verified so I cannot say who exactly. Either way, you're entitled to defend yourself, you're a lawyer after all I'm sure you're more than capable! But, I think if falls of deaf ears or people more eager to take whatever you say and turn it into something you never intended. Cheers!

[–]ScoutFinch2 6 points7 points  (29 children)

Is this something about you personally? I would say, clearly the answer is yes, yes it is. But maybe not for the reasons you think. Speaking for myself, it's because you have been touted as "an expert on all things Serial". Robert Wright noted that you "have turned yourself into a Serial expert", a comment that you smiled and accepted. For that reason, and no other, you have a greater responsibility to truth and accuracy than any Redditor. You know that everything you say is taken seriously, whereas here on this sub, everything can be taken with a grain of salt. You have access to documents, statements and transcripts that we do not have, which in and of itself gives your "theories" more weight.

You stated that you don't believe Jay killed Hae, therefore a third party connected to Jay but not to Adnan. You stated that there is a weed connection between Jay and Hae that wasn't Adnan (I believe you pointed to Stephanie). You stated that Hae had somewhere she was going to be that wasn't her cousin's school or having to do with Don. You certainly gave the impression that this connection between Jay and Hae somehow led to her death. You may not want to call it a drug deal gone bad, but that is what you're implying.

Basing this theory on Saad and Rabia's belief that Hae smoked weed is flimsy at best, particularly when those that were close to her don't believe she did. Nobody cares if she did or didn't. They care that theories about her murder hinge on false premises.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 27 points28 points  (28 children)

"You know that everything you say is taken seriously"

1) Have you been around this sub lately? There are folks here who follow her around posting on everything she says with disparaging remarks. She is labeled as a 'hack,' a 'disgusting person,' and worse. If anything Susan knows that what she says will be held up to even more scrutiny than the average poster.

2) Personally I believe that Susan respects her readers/listeners enough to believe they will think for themselves. Anyone being unable to do that is certainly no fault of hers.

3) The amount of time and effort she has put into trying to make sense of what happened here is astounding. Especially considering it's something she does in her spare time. I won't make assumptions, but I suspect she doesn't have buckets of that. The fact is she is extraordinarily well-versed on the elements of this case. Sharing her findings and answering questions do not make her accountable to anyone who has an opinion on how she carries herself or expresses her opinions. It would be refreshing to see someone with an opposing viewpoint who is equally well versed on the facts step up and debate her, but so far they simply don't exist. Unless you count Kevin Urick, but he only speaks to people who don't challenge him. It isn't like he hasn't had the chance to take her on.

[–]ScoutFinch2 4 points5 points  (27 children)

The fact is she is extraordinarily well-versed on the elements of this case.

And the fact is that she has access that nobody else has. Don't you think that gives her opinions more weight?

Honest question. Why would Urick want to debate SS? He prosecuted a case 16 years ago. He won that case. He has most likely prosecuted and defended hundreds of defendants since then. What incentive would he have?

A fair analogy would be, how about Rabia providing everything she has provided to SS to someone who feels Adnan is guilty. Let that person talk to their own RF engineers and forensic experts. If after doing so that person still believes Adnan is guilty, let that person debate SS. That would be a fair debate. But that isn't going to happen. The only people that have access to everything are those hand chosen by Rabia, and that's fine and understandable. It is what it is. But that's why equally well versed people simply doesn't exist.

Has SS reached out to Krista in an effort to learn what Hae was really like? What was going on in Hae's life that day? What connection there may be between Hae and Jay? I honestly hope she has. I would think Krista is in a much better position to speak for Hae than any other person willing to speak about this case.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 13 points14 points  (23 children)

And the fact is that she has access that nobody else has. Don't you think that gives her opinions more weight?

Absolutely not. I think her intelligence, due-diligence, and tenacity give her opinions more weight. I truly believe that if she found that the evidence supports Adnan having done it, she would say so, and I would question my stance.

Honest question. Why would Urick want to debate SS? He prosecuted a case 16 years ago. He won that case. He has most likely prosecuted and defended hundreds of defendants since then. What incentive would he have?

He has responded to criticism on more than one occasion, but not in an environment that wasn't fully supportive of him and his side of the story. If he can debate her, he should debate her. Whether he chooses to do so or not, she's currently wiping the floor with him.

A fair analogy would be, how about Rabia providing everything she has provided to SS to someone who feels Adnan is guilty. Let that person talk to their own RF engineers and forensic experts. If after doing so that person still believes Adnan is guilty, let that person debate SS. That would be a fair debate. But that isn't going to happen. The only people that have access to everything are those hand chosen by Rabia, and that's fine and understandable. It is what it is. But that's why equally well versed people simply doesn't exist.

I disagree with you. The prosecutor is equally well versed and chooses not to defend the very troubling and serious points SS continues to make, while at the same time spouting off in echo chambers where, apparently, he is authorized to discuss the case. It seems he's only authorized to discuss the case in forums where he won't be challenged.

Has SS reached out to Krista in an effort to learn what Hae was really like? What was going on in Hae's life that day? What connection there may be between Hae and Jay? I honestly hope she has. I would think Krista is in a much better position to speak for Hae than any other person willing to speak about this case.

I will answer that yes, SS has reached out to her. I will not give details of that reaching out to satisfy Reddit's curiosity.

[–]itisntfairDana Chivvis Fan 1 point2 points  (8 children)

What do you think of Rabia?

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 15 points16 points  (7 children)

I think if anything like this ever happened in my life I'd like a friend like her.

[–]Mamba2488Is it NOT? 1 point2 points  (8 children)

Knowing that she's reaching out to Krista, I wouldn't be surprised if Krista's statement regarding Hae and weed doesn't get altered as a result. Especially considering everything that's occurred for Susan the last few days. Guess we'll just have to see.

[–]MzOpinion8d 6 points7 points  (6 children)

That's pretty awful, to suggest Krista would change her story just to please Susan Simpson. Krista never changed her story about Adnan asking Hae for a ride even though it looks bad for him.

[–]Mamba2488Is it NOT? 0 points1 point  (5 children)

I'm allowed to speculate. In no way am I stating this as fact.

[–]KnottyKitties 5 points6 points  (4 children)

That's unbelievable. You're allowed to speculate and make a baseless accusation about Krista's integrity, but SS says there's a possibility Hae smoked and she's demonized for it? The hypocrisy hurts me.

[–]Justwonderinif 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes. Krista believes Adnan is innocent and is friends with others who think this. It would be easier for Krista to concede that Hae could have been on her way to buy marijuana from Jay when she was killed.

I won't blame Krista if she chooses to support this idea, for Adnan's sake, and her other friendships.

[–]ScoutFinch2 0 points1 point  (4 children)

Absolutely not. I think her intelligence, due-diligence, and tenacity give her opinions more weight. I truly believe that if she found that the evidence supports Adnan having done it, she would say so, and I would question my stance.

I'm not sure I can agree with you. I don't doubt that SS is intelligent, diligent and tenacious, but having access to everything helps. Though she may be all those things, I believe bias is a tangible force. I'm not sure we would hear about anything that looks bad for Adnan coming from SS.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Nor would I expect you to. Because bias.

[–]ScoutFinch2 4 points5 points  (2 children)

I am actually undecided FWIW. Leaning toward guilt, yes. That's because I have yet to hear an alternate theory that fits the facts and is not just possible, but is reasonable. I have not found myself inclined to believe any theory that has Hae making a weed purchase that ended up with her dead at the hands of an unknown third party. People very rarely get murdered purchasing a small amount of weed in the middle of the day in a public place.

[–]cac1031 1 point2 points  (0 children)

People vey rarely get murdered by an ex with no history of abuse or bad temper either before or after in the middle of the day in a public place.

You have yet to hear an alternate theory that fits the facts? I have yet to hear a theory that makes Adnan guilty that fits the facts. There is no possible timeline for the murder that includes the phone general location data, Jay's story of the Nisha call, the Park and Ride and Adnan going to track (as Jay consistently said he did).

[–]Justwonderinif 3 points4 points  (2 children)

how about Rabia providing everything she has provided to SS to someone who feels Adnan is guilty. Let that person talk to their own RF engineers and forensic experts.

If this happened, we could all go home.

[–]Solvang84 2 points3 points  (1 child)

Nobody's stopping you.

[–]Mamba2488Is it NOT? 3 points4 points  (6 children)

If you're presented with a conflicting source, one in which is closer to the situation than the sources you've cited, you'd think that would give you pause in asserting your statements as "factually accurate". What you've proven is that you aren't concerned with factual accuracy unless it fits your narrative. That's been abundantly clear to me from the beginning, but I'm glad you've chosen to share that with others in such a public way.

[–]absurdamerica 7 points8 points  (5 children)

If you're presented with a conflicting source, one in which is closer to the situation than the sources you've cited, you'd think that would give you pause in asserting your statements as "factually accurate".

Some of Hae's friends knew her to drink. Some didn't. Which sources are "correct", and please tell me how you know.

I'll wait here.

[–]Mamba2488Is it NOT? 2 points3 points  (4 children)

The difference between Susan and I? I'm not stating something as fact. While you're waiting there, perhaps you should contemplate the difference between believing someone not really associated with the topic at hand as opposed to someone who is.

I don't have a cool-dude sign off, so I'll just concede that part to you.

[–]absurdamerica 1 point2 points  (1 child)

The difference between Susan and I? I'm not stating something as fact.

Oh really?

What you've proven is that you aren't concerned with factual accuracy unless it fits your narrative. That's been abundantly clear to me from the beginning

[–]Gdyoung1 5 points6 points  (6 children)

Your statement was and remains absurd. You claimed "sources", as though you had done some investigative reporting. In reality you just talked to Rabia and Saad and tried to dress it up as more than that. What would you say about Natasha Vargas Cooper if she did that?
Second, saying "I said someone said X" as a dodge to the heart of the matter is deeply disingenuous. Anyone can say anything about anybody, merely parroting that as a credible "source" is ridiculous.

I encourage you to view this matter as an opportunity to reevaluate your approach to the entire case.

[–]Justwonderinif -1 points0 points  (3 children)

"We do have people who say... "

What Susan means is "Rabia and Saad say that Hae took drugs. So that means Jay is connected, and Hae shares responsibility for her own death."

If Susan says that's not what she meant to imply, I would like to know what she meant to imply.

[–]Michigan_ApplesDeidre Fan 10 points11 points  (0 children)

What Susan means is "Rabia and Saad say that Hae took drugs. So that means Jay is connected, and Hae shares responsibility for her own death."

you can't just put words into people's mouths and demand an explanation for it. Your self-righteousness is reaching new peaks.

[–]StraightTalkExpressHae Fan 3 points4 points  (1 child)

Youre allowed to admit that you screwed up, Susan, this isn't a courtroom.

[–]ShastaTampon 3 points4 points  (5 children)

To be fair SS can say whatever she wants. She clearly would rather take the word of people who never met Hae over the word of a good friend. Unless Adnan has confirmed any of this? And if he is to believed. If SS chooses that, that's like her choice man. And if people just want to take whatever she says as gospel, well, let them.

I appreciate what Krista had to say and frankly the zeal and pontifical nature of both of the factions is reaching a fever pitch around here. We may as well be having a religious debate at this point.

[–]surrerialismUndecided 1 point2 points  (4 children)

WWJWD?

[–]ShastaTampon 3 points4 points  (0 children)

non sequitur? I'd really love to share a quip with you, but your response has me so puzzled that I can't exactly...what would jay do? like right now? or in response to this thread? I don't know but I bet he would use the word "bitch" a few times.

[–]ShastaTampon 1 point2 points  (2 children)

What Would Jesus Walks Do? You mean Kanye? I'm not sure, but, probably something that would garner publicity and controversy I'm sure.

I really don't know what you're suggesting.

[–]ginabmonkeyHippy Tree Hugger 3 points4 points  (1 child)

If I'm not mistaken, that WWJWD would be What Would Jay Wilds Do?

[–]ShastaTampon 0 points1 point  (0 children)

okay. thank you for clarifying.

[–]sadpuzzle 5 points6 points  (2 children)

SS, you stated the obvious. The reason you are being attacked is because you post so intelligently and are effective. Hae's tragic murder IS NOT an excuse for LE/Legal system to rail road someone. Those who want to excuse Urick or Jay are coming after you. How many have they chased off? It is perfectly reasonable given all the facts and knowing little about Don to consider a drug connection and it is not disrespectful.

[–]jjungsch 5 points6 points  (1 child)

This raises the question of whether it is ok to railroad other people we have even less evidence about? It's not like this hasn't happened before. There is the oft cited example of an innocence project exonerating a man on death row by coercing a false confession from an innocent man. Just frustrating for me to see people who are so vehemently opposed to their being any evidence of Syed's guilt, throwing out such weak accusations about other people involved in the case.

[–]vettiee -1 points0 points  (11 children)

Please don't throw out statements if you are not willing to prove the 'factual accuracy' of those statements. Are you willing to cite your sources, or show proof of how you claim Hae smoked weed, and how it could be remotely relevant to the circumstances of her death? If not, your 'line of inquiry' is no better than the numerous speculative posts on this sub. In reality, it is probably worse, as quite a few people appear to be under the impression that you are an 'expert' on this case and think anything you speculate is based on evidence as you are the amongst chosen few who have had access to the case documents.

[–]Michigan_ApplesDeidre Fan 7 points8 points  (4 children)

Please don't throw out statements if you are not willing to prove the 'factual accuracy' of those statements. Are you willing to cite your sources, or show proof of how you claim Hae smoked weed, and how it could be remotely relevant to the circumstances of her death?

Sorry, this sub is not a trial and she doesn't owe any of us anything. Just because you feel entitled to explanation does not make SS liable for providing you one. Just because she has access the documents doesn't mean that she should make them public for the serialsub users. The majority of posts here involve speculation, theorizing, free associating kind of content, no user gets bashed as she is being harassed here. people called her employer for christ's sake. Just last week or so people doxxed the clients of her firm. Enough with /u/viewfromll2 bashing already.

[–]DA40_in_the_rough 1 point2 points  (3 children)

"Sorry, this sub is not a trial"

Thank you. Can you please repeat this to the legion of Pro-Adnan folks who seem to believe that his trial is still ongoing and that the burden of proof for conviction hasn't been met.

[–]vettiee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I remember someone was offended in another thread by the reference to Adnan as 'convicted killer'. It was requested we should start from scratch and refer to him as 'accused'!!

[–]vettiee 0 points1 point  (5 children)

Well, that was quick. My first downvote.. because I dared to ask for sources from a person who has access to the case files? or because I pointed out that this kind of speculation is dangerous coming from an 'expert'? Can the downvoter care to explain?

[–]Jodi1kenobiDana Chivvis Fan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

I didn't down vote you (upvoted, in fact), but I just thought I'd let you know that SS has confirmed that her sources were Saad and Rabia.

[–]FrostedMiniJaysUndecided 3 points4 points  (2 children)

I didn't downvote you -- But I likely would have if I cared to do such a thing.

Your use of vitriolic and inflammatory language, and complete lack of an original and relevant point, gives me the impression that your post is nothing but barely disguised mud-slinging.

To avoid downvoting in the future, I recommend making your point in a less hostile manner. In fact, being respectful and polite seem to result in people being downvoted less!

[–]vettiee 6 points7 points  (1 child)

I respectfully disagree and stand by what I said and how I said it. I have read vitriolic, inflammatory, hostile comments and personal attacks in this sub and I don't agree my comment is anything like them. Still I will attempt to be more polite in future. Thanks for your reply.

[–]FrostedMiniJaysUndecided -1 points0 points  (0 children)

"Still I will attempt to be more polite in future."

I hope that part is sincere. Thanks for being polite in your response back.

[–]mo_12 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just a note: getting a downvote or two is just the nature of the beast on here, not because you're "daring to question" SS. Random posts of mine get downvotes regularly - yesterday, I had a post downvoted that literally said something along the lines of, I appreciate you being reflective and willing to reconsider.

(Also, for the record, I thought the tone of your comment was a little unnecessary and overly accusatory - vs actual inquiry - but I agree, as you said below, that it didn't hold a candle to some of the more hostile comments on here.)

[–]an_sionnach 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anyone who thinks less of Hae because of my comments is deeply misguided.

Do you really think anyone thinks less of Hae because of your comments? I've read a lot of comments on this thread and others and didn't find one that even came close to suggesting this.

[–]thievesarmy 7 points8 points  (2 children)

a drug deal gone bad doesn't have to cast Hae as a buyer or seller, she could have just been in the wrong place at the wrong time or something. She see's Adnan's car and walks up to it, and ends up seeing something involving Jay and someone else. Perhaps Jay freaks out cause he knows she'll tell Adnan about it, and maybe Stephanie. Or maybe the 3rd person flips out and grabs her. Whatever it might be, I could both see this as having something to do with drugs BUT not necessarily because Hae was involved w/ drugs.

[–]ScoutFinch2 3 points4 points  (1 child)

That's fine it that's your theory. But I'm responding to what SS said on Bloggingheads, where she clearly implied that Stephanie may have set up Hae with Jay so that Hae could purchase weed.

[–]Jerryreporter -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Of course Susan didn't really say that happened, that's just your obsessive mind on over-drive. Are you related to Urick?

[–]etcetera999 5 points6 points  (4 children)

If she does trot out the "drug-hit" theory, she'd be emulating the best:

http://www.cnn.com/US/OJ/verdict/jury_didnt_see/

All over TV and radio, the defense also preached this theory, that hit men for drug dealers killed Nicole Simpson by mistake, because they were looking for her friend, Faye Resnick.

[–]TheDelightfulMs 3 points4 points  (2 children)

Humans are complicated creatures... Teenagers, an exaggerated version of ourselves. This is yet another reminder that these are real people, who live real lives. We're so accustomed to experiencing stories, even nonfiction, in formulaic accounts that are told in black and white and wrap up nicely into a perfect package. I guess we still don't know what to do with real people. Even in the retelling of our own personal stories, there is always a villain and a hero. It's truly unfortunate that so many have been hurt by our inability to hear a story about real people.

[–]jlpsquared 1 point2 points  (1 child)

Teenagers, an exaggerated version of ourselves.

Maybe it is the other way around, perhaps we are crusty sad versions of our teenage selves?

[–]TheDelightfulMs 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh man... Probably.

[–]Illmatic826 11 points12 points  (143 children)

Great post Thanks Krista!

Some folks on here believe that in order to prove adnan is innocent they must vilify everyone around him and thats not right.

its really sad that ppl have ran Krista, a person who was in the circle away from this public forum.

[–]soliketotally 20 points21 points  (78 children)

How is smoking weed like a normal teenager vilifying? I feel like this sub is full of middle age church moms right now.

[–]Illmatic826 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Nowhere did i mention anything about smoking weed.

I smoke weed.

did when i was a teenager and I still do every now and then as an adult...

so why would i then bash others who smoke?

what are you talking about ?

[–]absurdamerica 12 points13 points  (3 children)

It isn't and wasn't intended to be in the first place. It was intended as a possible answer to "How do you get from Jay to Hae without Adnan?" and the concern trolls have latched on like a bunch of toddlers and are now running around screaming and yelling about it.

[–]glibly17 10 points11 points  (2 children)

Agreed. I understand why Krista is upset about it because Hae was close to her and I see why she perceives it as a negative comment about Hae, although I disagree (but my opinion doesn't really matter). And I do think we need to take care with speculation regarding Hae, out of respect for her, but raising the question itself isn't disrespectful or vilifying. It's a valid question.

Edited in missing parenthesis

[–]DA40_in_the_rough 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, it is a valid question. But I think the issue is that some people are parading it around as a statement of truth rather than question. This is why people are pissed about it.

[–]ghoooooooooost 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Also agreed.

If she did it definitely wasn't a regular occurrence she was too busy with life and her drive to success to be mixed up in drugs.

To emphasize, Krista doesn't even claim that Hae definitely never smoked pot.

I would also just like to voice that being busy/having a drive to succeed and smoking pot, even regularly, are not mutually exclusive.

[–]ScoutFinch2 8 points9 points  (8 children)

I'm just going to answer that as I understand it. I don't think anyone here cares if Hae smoked weed or didn't smoke weed. However, from what we know, it appears that she most likely didn't. The issue that has come up is that SS dropped a little teaser on her Blogginheads appearance that Hae and Jay had a drug connection that had nothing to do with Adnan, and that is what somehow led to her death, possibly because she was heading to buy weed from Jay. It's not about if she did or didn't smoke, it's about the willingness to ignore what appears to be a fact, that Hae didn't even smoke weed, in order to come up with an alternate theory of her murder. It's a disregarding of the facts and some people feel it's at Hae's expense.

[–]FrostedMiniJaysUndecided -2 points-1 points  (4 children)

It's not disregarding the facts because that is both not a fact and speculation on the part of /u/viewfromll2.

Do you have another reason for being upset with /u/viewfromll2 or are you satisfied with that explanation?

[–]ScoutFinch2 2 points3 points  (3 children)

SS has stated that Rabia and Saad are her sources for Hae smoking weed and she stands by her sources and considers it fact. I don't give a flying flip if Hae smoked weed. But as for the facts, I'll stick with Krista and the tox report.

[–]FrostedMiniJaysUndecided 5 points6 points  (2 children)

"But as for the facts, I'll stick with Krista and the tox report. "

Okay, let's talk about facts.

It's Krista's opinion that Hae didn't smoke pot. This is not a fact.

Krista didn't know Hae to smoke pot. This is a fact (although not a provable fact.)

The toxicology test was only for blood-based chemicals that only stay in the blood for 7 hours.

Furthermore, even if the toxicology test was looking for the THC-metabolites that get stored in fat cells for up to 2 weeks, they are only there for up to 2 weeks and would not have been present 4 - 8 weeks afterwards (depending on when the test was performed.)

So, not a fact.

Also, /u/viewfromll2 has stated very clearly that this is speculation but that she trusts her instinct on this one. She has not stated that she thinks this is a fact.

Do you have another reason for being upset with her or are you satisfied and are ready to stop this mud-slinging?

[–]ScoutFinch2 1 point2 points  (1 child)

I'm not upset with her. Nothing anyone says on Reddit upsets me. I don't share the level of admiration as some, but then again, I don't admire anyone on Reddit either. I find her blogs interesting and entertaining. I also find them craftily deceptive at times, as well as spot on at times.

[–]FrostedMiniJaysUndecided 3 points4 points  (0 children)

If you're not upset, why are you misrepresenting the situation in a disparaging way against her?

It seems like you wouldn't be doing that if you weren't emotionally charged...

[–]jlpsquared -4 points-3 points  (7 children)

If she didn't smoke weed, she didn't smoke weed. I don't smoke weed and I would be pretty pissed if you went on a public forum after I was DEAD, claiming I did.

[–]StrangeConstants 15 points16 points  (2 children)

I don't think that's how death works.

[–]DA40_in_the_rough 2 points3 points  (0 children)

How do you know? Very ironic statement, lol

[–]UntilprovenguiltyJournalist 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that made me laugh!

[–]Solvang84 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Why? Do you consider pot-smokers to be horrible people? Would you be "pretty pissed" if someone speculated that you occasionally drove 75 in a 65 zone?

[–]cupcake310Dana Fan 2 points3 points  (2 children)

Well, you couldn't be pissed because you'd be dead.

[–]StrangeConstants 0 points1 point  (9 children)

I'll agree it wasn't vilifying, it was just baselessly speculative.

[–]Solvang84 10 points11 points  (8 children)

It's speculative, but not baseless. She was a teenager, she did normal teenager stuff, she dated a complete pothead for 10 months. "Baseless" to speculate that she may have smoked a doobie or bought a dimebag or two in her life?

We haven't (to my recollection) heard anythign specific about her drinking alcohol, either - would it be "baseless" to speculate that she might have had a drink now and then?

[–]StrangeConstants 1 point2 points  (6 children)

You misunderstood. I meant for the specific time period on the 13th. We have no indication she smoked often, if at all. Still, I'd be surprised if Hae never smoked weed in her life. But running on a premise that she was seeking weed that day where no evidence exists for it, is baseless. Just as if someone suggested she actually made a stop to buy alcohol with a fake I.D., or purchase a new CD.

Second, might I add that just because one occasionally smokes weed at parties etc, does not mean one goes out and purchases it from a dealer themselves.

[–]Circumnavigated 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know if anybody is accusing Hae of anything. It seems the question was whether there was a reason Jay may have encountered Hae.

Again, it all comes back to a poor investigation. There is far too much space for speculation.

[–]FrostedMiniJaysUndecided 1 point2 points  (1 child)

"Is there a way that Hae and Jay were connected not through Adnan?"

"I've heard that Hae smoked weed and that Jay dealt weed. It's possible she was trying to buy weed from Jay."

Your response is not appropriate and you are misrepresenting what was actually said...

[–]StrangeConstants 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Said by who? Where's that from?

[–]theghostoftomlandryframegame -1 points0 points  (0 children)

A "complete pothead". What does that even mean? I am assuming you mean a stoner, someone who gets high every day. What are you basing that on?

[–]Mustanggertrude 22 points23 points  (31 children)

Well to be fair the people who ran Krista out of here were the ones who believe adnan is guilty and were insistent that Krista respond to their relentless questions regarding the suspiciousness of adnan asking for a ride.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 23 points24 points  (1 child)

They were certainly the straw that broke the camel's back, but there is no shortage of blame to go around.

[–]Mustanggertrude 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Oh we're all crazy. I'll be the first to say my comments here have made me consider an extensive personal deep dive into my thoughts and ideologies.

[–]WorkThrowaway91 6 points7 points  (8 children)

Yeah I remember the series of posts that led to her quitting the sub, it was filled with the "Adnan did it" crowd going all out at her, just as they did Susan Simpson/EvidenceProf and many others who have frequented this place. The thing I find most saddening is that the "Adnan could have but evidence is lacking" crowd has always been the least harsh with regard to treating others fairly. The "Adnan did it" crowd goes over the top and essentially killed this sub for most people. I want to say the mods should have done more, but these were people posting hundreds of times in short periods of time so I don't expect them to be on top of it. But I would have at least expected them to ban some of the more radical abusers of others, or some of the more serial bullies on this sub.

Edit: To add to the end, because these are people who are well known in the sub for their insane behavior on every post.

[–]selassiepickney 3 points4 points  (1 child)

I quit posting and coming here because of the Adnan is innocent people. This is my first time back here in a over a month.

[–]bevesnailey 2 points3 points  (0 children)

As someone who doesn't post much I find the innocent crowd the most rude, snarky and offensive. And intolerant too.

[–]jlpsquared -2 points-1 points  (5 children)

Yes, the guilt is all on us, the Adnan is guilty crowd. The Adnan is innocent crowd have done NO character assassination or aggressive posting whatsoever :(

[–]lolaphilologist 4 points5 points  (0 children)

What? It's like you didn't even read the post. The Adnan is innocent crowd wasn't even mentioned at all. It was the lack of evidence crowd that was praised for not being harsh, and as a member of that crowd, I say thanks, WorkThrowaway91!

[–]jonalisa 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hey thanks for fessing up :-)

[–]sadpuzzle 7 points8 points  (1 child)

I don't think an honest consideration of Hae/MJ etc is disrespectful or tarnishes her reputation. The discussion of the facts include that very topic because of Jay & the culture and are relevant to finding the real killer

[–]lavacake23 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Please, then, go and find me one news story about someone getting strangled to death by a dealer while buying a dime bag?

[–]kikilareiene 3 points4 points  (0 children)

"The more you over explain the more suspect it looks." Agree with that.

[–]Mamba2488Is it NOT? 5 points6 points  (41 children)

Let's not focus on who drove Krista off the sub, people. It's kind of irrelevant at this point. I appreciate you sharing her thoughts on some important matters, though, Hyndmandy.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I agree. This sub was unpleasant for Krista and she left because of it. Let's move on.

[–]ScoutFinch2 5 points6 points  (1 child)

I agree. How quickly this turned into a blame game when there are much more substantive things to discuss in Krista's comments.

[–]Justwonderinif -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Truly.

[–]rucb_alumSusan Simpson Fan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SS's supposition about how and why Hae sought to make an MJ buy are just that...Suppositions, not accusations.

Without some real facts to base our 'theories' on, we are all just speculating...which can be a fun game but take a minute to think how someone who knew/knows these people would feel when they read our speculative thoughts. Imagine (just for a second) the pain they must be feeling when they read that the dead body's lividity pattern shows she lay face down for hours before her burial. It's gruesome enough to read but to then read folks suppositions about it is too much.

I hope they stay away from this subreddit. Krista is doing the right thing by staying away, too.

[–]4325B -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for this. I think many of us would be thrilled to just hear Krista's description of what it was like at the time. What their circle of friends were like, what was the deal with Adnan's parents showing up at the prom (and the mustache!), why was everyone lending their car to Jay.

It's really easy to speculate about people you don't know because we don't have a filter to say "so-and-so would never do that," etc. It's also really easy to act stupid on the Internet.

[–]nevermadeitaswisemanDo what? 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This statement > it pisses me off that people are trying to tarnish her reputation

And this one >I don't think that Hae smoked weed. If she did it definitely wasn't a regular occurrence

Seem pretty judgmental and contradictory. Maybe Hae didn't smoke weed with her girlfriends. It wouldn't be the first time a girl smoked weed in a social setting while out with her boyfriend. What's Krista going to do if she finds out Hae did smoke on occasion or that she tried to get some for Don? Is that going to lessens Krista's memory of Hae? Sorry, but with all due respect, she really aught to climb down off that pedestal for a minute.

[–]OneNiltotheArsenal 3 points4 points  (3 children)

Is Krista aware the source of the rumor that Hae smoked pot was Rabia?

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She's aware it's something Saad has said.

[–]Sasha78 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

WHAT DID YOU ALL DO TO KRISTA

[–]bg1256 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can anyone point me to the threads where Krista was posting? I am very interested in her perspective.

[–]litewoGuilty 0 points1 point  (0 children)

she was too busy with life and her drive to success to be mixed up in drugs.

That sounds like something a mom in a Lifetime movie would say about her daughter.

[–]smithjo1Mr. S Fan -3 points-2 points  (10 children)

Nice try, Kevin Urick.

[–]HyndmandyFriend of Krista[S] 7 points8 points  (1 child)

lol. I'm pretty sure KU can't even remember Krista's name.

[–]UntilprovenguiltyJournalist 1 point2 points  (0 children)

funny!

[–]kitarra 2 points3 points  (3 children)

Hyndmandy has been nothing but patient and productive in this sub. That's some really unwarranted speculative bullshit.

[–]smithjo1Mr. S Fan 0 points1 point  (1 child)

Turn on your sarcasm detection software.

[–]kitarra 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In this sub...I have had to turn it waaaaaay down.

[–]Justwonderinif -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I feel like NO ONE is depicting Woodlawn high school or our circle of friends accurately if it doesn't make things fit their mold..

I agree. People don't understand the difference in the social structure between Hae and Stephanie or Stephanie and Krista. And many, many other relationships. Krista was always honest and blunt on this.