Disputatio Usoris:UV/2011

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Can you help?[fontem recensere]

You are clever at these things, UV. I wanted to alter {{Data urbis}} to make the section about geographical area optional: it seems that for some towns this information isn't available. The section is optional in the corresponding English template. But clearly I didn't quite manage it. Could you have a go, if you have time? Andrew Dalby 13:44, 2 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Does it work now? I had to change some more occurrences of '|' to '{{!}}' so that they are not considered separators of expression | then | else in the {{#if: expression | then | else }} construct. Greetings, --UV 19:14, 2 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)
Yes, I find the syntax a bit more difficult than that of Latin :) Your help is much appreciated. Andrew Dalby 20:15, 2 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)
 ;-) You are most welcome! --UV 20:23, 2 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Scriptores Melissae[fontem recensere]

Gratulor tibi valde pro adiutorio tuo in biographiis scribendis, sed maxime doleo quod tantos e vita debeas, proh dolor, eiicere!--Bruxellensis 15:33, 3 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Sic transit gloria mundi … Tibi gratulor pro biographiis permultis a te inceptis elaboratisque! --UV 20:22, 3 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Fictitious portraits[fontem recensere]

UV, I wonder whether a bot (such as yours) could help with this little problem. There is a long series of fictitious portraits at commons:Category:Promptuarii Iconum Insigniorum. There will be regular attempts to place these images on relevant pages of Vicipaedia, because, as you know, this is one way that the wikipedias "improve". But these images ought not to be placed as if they were real portraits, without any cautionary words. This just misleads the unwary reader of an encyclopedia. It makes us worse rather than better.

However, since the origin of these images is known, it is legitimate to put them somewhere on the page, with their source and date properly indicated. See, for example, what I have done at Ancus Martius: the image was originally placed at the head of the page by Usor:Schekinov Alexey Victorovich and marked up by you as "sine descriptione". The way it is now, no one is misled.

To make sure this happens, we could take the initiative: go to each image in this commons category, check whether it is currently used on a biography page somewhere (often on ru: or pl: or en:), add it to the corresponding Latin page if there is one, but lower down on the page and with the following caption:

Imago ficta e ''[[Promptuarium iconum (Rouillius)|Promptuario iconum]]'' (Lugduni, 1553)

If we already have the images, people won't try to add them again. So, do you agree that this would be a good idea? If so, could a bot do it? Andrew Dalby 15:26, 9 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

In principle, a bot could help with some of the steps involved here, but mine cannot, sorry! Perhaps we might manually insert these images, since there are "only" 293 of them (and, anyway, no bot could, with 100% reliability, identify the appropriate article and the appropriate place within the article where to place the image). Greetings, --UV 00:50, 10 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply, UV. Yes, I wasn't sure if it would be possible for the whole task to be done by a bot anyway. You may well be right that doing it manually would be the best way. Andrew Dalby 11:25, 10 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Facere melior Maassluisia[fontem recensere]

Multos multos gratias omnibus vobis ago qui pagina Maassluisia curaverunt in modo quo non me potui. Non plus dicere possum, nisi Vive Vicipaedia!--RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 13:02, 17 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

No problem! --UV 00:35, 18 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Thanks[fontem recensere]

Thanks for your help with Divisiones Angliae administrativae. Just what I needed. Andrew Dalby 11:00, 23 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

No problem! --UV 21:33, 23 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Block of EmausBot[fontem recensere]

Hello!

I gave my explanation of problem. So could ypu unblock my bot? --Emaus 07:05, 28 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. I have unblocked your bot. Thank you for your bot's good work! --UV 22:13, 28 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Usor:DEagleBot[fontem recensere]

I created DEagleBot page..) --Dark Eagle 21:04, 30 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Can you give bot flag for it? --Dark Eagle 21:26, 30 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)
Hello, thank you for creating a userpage for your bot. I have unblocked your bot. A bot flag is not necessary, the community may decide to grant the bot flag later. Happy editing! --UV 22:30, 30 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)
Tahnks..) --Dark Eagle 22:31, 30 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Unblocking of User:amirobot[fontem recensere]

Hello,I updated my bot codes (families folder) please unblock User:Amirobot, Thanks Ladsgroup 19:32, 31 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, I have unblocked your bot. --UV 20:41, 31 Ianuarii 2011 (UTC)

Salve, UV[fontem recensere]

Maybe you could help me here: there's something I must have done wrong with the template here: Certamen_mundani_principatus_manufollii_masculini_2011#Tempus_finale, because it does not show the 3rd/4th place game. Thanks,--Xaverius 10:56, 1 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

Can you give me an example how it should look like? Where should the 3rd and 4th place appear? --UV 21:53, 1 Februarii 2011 (UTC)
I think that they should be below the final, as it is the case in the {{16ManuumParenthesis}}, which I tried to copy and reduce, but I failed.--Xaverius 09:50, 3 Februarii 2011 (UTC)
I tried to fix it. Greetings, --UV 23:03, 3 Februarii 2011 (UTC)
Many thanks!--Xaverius 01:40, 4 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

tibi gratias ago[fontem recensere]

propter emendationes tuas paginarum "comitatus.--Helveticus montanus 08:33, 5 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome – that was an easy thing to do. Greetings, --UV 21:41, 5 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

Coordinata[fontem recensere]

I don't know whether you noticed my query at Vicipaedia:Taberna#Coordinata. I would appreciate your views on whether it's a good idea, and whether a bot could deal with (all or some) existing pages for us. My impression is that the Geohack link has become very useful. Andrew Dalby 10:10, 9 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it definitely is, but maintaining coordinate information means work. I have replied on the Taberna. Greetings, --UV 21:19, 9 Februarii 2011 (UTC)
I find that you are right to question the accuracy of coordinates on en:wiki pages. The major places are nearly always fine, but some minor places are inaccurate, I find, and I have encountered one or two that are wildly wrong. Andrew Dalby 21:58, 14 Februarii 2011 (UTC)
 ;-( --UV 22:02, 14 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

Homework[fontem recensere]

Do you maybe know how to say HOMEWORK in latin? Thank you! Ivan.milicic3510 20:36, 12 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

Hello, I moved your question to Vicipaedia:Taberna#Homework where people who are much more proficient in Latin than I am can comment. Greetings, --UV 20:05, 13 Februarii 2011 (UTC)

Problem reported by Iacobus[fontem recensere]

Thanks for your comments at the Taberna (and the additional suggested test). It's very odd. Of course I realised you hadn't changed his system and couldn't do so, but I thought it possible you had made some adjustment to the old toolbar that he was using, and that it hadn't worked as expected. Well, we'll see what the result is when he follows up these suggestions. Andrew Dalby 10:00, 3 Martii 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps that's OK now: he hasn't commented further. Andrew Dalby 15:29, 13 Martii 2011 (UTC)

Botanists[fontem recensere]

I know you keep an eye on redirects, so you'll notice the ones I have added from vernacular names of botanists (so far only the ones beginning with A: about 20 of them). I have explained what I'm doing at Disputatio:Index nominum botanistarum et mycologorum (I don't know if it makes sense!) I'd be interested if you have any comments. Andrew Dalby 15:29, 13 Martii 2011 (UTC)

I have replied there. Greetings, --UV 21:12, 13 Martii 2011 (UTC)

categories named after ...[fontem recensere]

I would appreciate any comment you have on the question I asked Iacobus, Disputatio Usoris:IacobusAmor#Could you explain .... Such categories seem suddenly quite widespread on en:wiki, but I don't understand how they are useful ... I can indeed see the value of Categoria:Categoriae ex hominibus appellatae, which Iacobus introduced a while back -- that one is indeed very handy -- but to me that hasn't clarified the utility of all these others. Andrew Dalby 15:53, 23 Maii 2011 (UTC)

My guess – although I am by no means sure – is the following: Categoriae ex montibus appellatae is a belongs-to category, while Categoriae:Montes is an is-a category (see Disputatio Usoris:UV/2010#Categoriae ex hominibus appellatae). Categoria:Havaii should therefore probably go in Categoriae ex montibus appellatae but it should not go in Categoria:Montes, for the reasons stated in our 2010 discussion. But that is just a quick guess ... Greetings, --UV 23:10, 27 Maii 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for that. Yes, I think I get it ... :) Andrew Dalby 17:16, 29 Maii 2011 (UTC)

Here's another thing[fontem recensere]

Have you a view about Vicipaedia:Taberna#Acknowledging translations? I will be very happy, incidentally, if your view is "This is quite unnecessary": it would make things simpler for us all! But my impression is that the other wikis may be right here, and that some attempt at acknowledgement needs to be made for the sake of the CC license. Andrew Dalby 17:16, 29 Maii 2011 (UTC)

I have replied there - the BY clause in the CC license requires attribution to the authors. Greetings, --UV 21:17, 29 Maii 2011 (UTC)

Narmuthis[fontem recensere]

Oh, since the arguments for {{citatio3}} are now numbered, you'd think it would be possible to skip one (the "anonymi" seems superfluous). As for italics, my normal practice is to Italicize the series name for a papyrus or ostracon, but not the number. I don't know that everyone follows that rule, but certainly I'm not the only one. --Iustinus 23:14, 9 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I have changed {{citatio3}} accordingly. Greetings, --UV 20:19, 11 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
Cool, thanks! Is there a way (presumably a kludgy way) to change the formatting? I wanted to see how it would look left-justified. --Iustinus 20:50, 11 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
Sure, just remove text-align:center; from {{citatio3}}. Greetings, --UV 21:02, 11 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
I didn't mean to rework the whole template. Can I maybe just throw in a </div>? --Iustinus 01:37, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
Do you mean changing just one citatio3 box to left-align while leaving all the other citatio3 boxes centered? See here on how this could work (feel free to undo if you dislike it). However, in the interest of visual homogeneity, I personally would prefer adapting the templates to adapting individual pages. Greetings, --UV 20:26, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
Well, it would be nice to have options here. E.g. better to center poetry and short quotes, better to justify transcriptions of manuscripts and documents.
Good idea: [1]. --UV 21:06, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
Awesome, thank you as usual! --Iustinus 21:17, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for testing it. I must admit that does not look great. It would be nice if it aligned to a margin that was not so far to the left. Maybe if I added a blank column or something?? --Iustinus 20:51, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
You could do that, but it would run the risk of not displaying well in some browsers, on devices with small screens (smartphones), etc. so I would rather discourage from tweaking the display to fit particular screen sizes/browsers. --UV 21:06, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
I can't imagine this looks good anywhere, but that's likely a property of this particular text: the lines are so narrow, and of course it looks silly for the translation to follow the original line breaks. Unless you have a better idea, I may just have to quote the text continuously (without the linebreaks,) and probably return to centering. --Iustinus 21:17, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
I inserted a line break in the translation so that the box gets narrower. Feel free to revert and/or tweak the display as you like! Greetings, --UV 21:45, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
You are right, that does look better. --Iustinus 21:48, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

Template translation again[fontem recensere]

Is there any reason I couldn't import en:template:abbr? It would be very useful for quoting inscriptions without having to expand abbreviations. --Iustinus 01:37, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

In its simple form (without the third parameter for Unicode or IPA), this template can easily be imported. Implementing the third parameter as well would mean more work. But there is no need to use a template for this – you can directly write <abbr title="Ἰησοῦς Χριστός">ΙΣ ΧΣ</abbr>, which gives ΙΣ ΧΣ, without the need for using a template. Greetings, --UV 20:46, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
I never knew that, thank you! --Iustinus 20:52, 13 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

Macra[fontem recensere]

UV, si censes versiones "macratas" non esse ligendas ab ipsis paginis non obsto, sed, amabo te, rem Coemgeno proferas. Gratias tibi ago. --Iustinus 19:29, 19 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

Probe dicis, id nunc feci. --UV 20:28, 19 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

hiero[fontem recensere]

Any idea why the {{hiero}} template at Cleopatra VII (regina Aegypti) is skipping the transliteration I provided, and then giving the translation in its place? --Iustinus 19:24, 23 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

The problem was the equals sign (=) within the transliteration Qlwpdr.t Nṯr.t Mr(.t)-Ỉt=s. MediaWiki (mis)interprets this as a named parameter with parameter name Qlwpdr.t Nṯr.t Mr(.t)-Ỉt and parameter value s. The fix is to specify the parameter names/numbers explicitly: [2]. Greetings, --UV 23:04, 25 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
Excellent. Thanks for rescuing me yet again. --Iustinus 02:51, 26 Iunii 2011 (UTC)
No problem! --UV 07:57, 26 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

Mauritius Ferrini[fontem recensere]

Tibi gratias ago causa relecturae istae paginae. Vale! Rex Momo 07:12, 27 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

De minimis ;-) --UV 22:06, 27 Iunii 2011 (UTC)

Petitio auxilium Emerita (Venetiola)[fontem recensere]

Integer bibendum articulum. Latinis, melius est quotidie gratias cursus. gratias :)--Lodewijk Vadacchino 07:53, 4 Iulii 2011 (UTC)

Hello Lodewijk, I am sorry I do not have much time now to improve your article. If you wish, you can always ask for help on the Vicipaedia:Taberna. Greetings, --UV 21:32, 4 Iulii 2011 (UTC)

Bot blocked[fontem recensere]

I've updated pywikipedia today twice (as usual) via SVN (revision #9615). I dont'know nothing else. --AttoRenato 18:57, 9 Octobris 2011 (UTC)

Ok, thank you! Let us hope that the problems are now fixed! I have unblocked your bot. Greetings, --UV 19:52, 9 Octobris 2011 (UTC)

Anomalous deaths[fontem recensere]

Hi, UV. At Vicipaedia:Mortui dicti‎ Merlissimo's bot seems to be making some odd confusion between Gaddafi and one of his sons. I can't see why it is doing this: can you?

I edited meta:Death anomalies table to correct a link to our category tree. Hope I did right.

Also (this is not an anomalous death!) I won't be watching "Nuper mutata" so much during November and December. I'm busier than usual. I mention this to you because you and I and Aylin are among those who sometimes deal with housekeeping things. Andrew Dalby 15:58, 2 Novembris 2011 (UTC)

Hi, the problem with the Gaddafis lies within the Spanish wikipedia: The son belongs to a category that was named after his father, and this category on the Spanish wikipedia belongs to "2011 deaths", which is wrong in my view, because not everything that is contained in this category is a person who died in 2011. This is exactly the same reason why I keep removing "born" and "died" categories from the categories in Categoria:Categoriae ex hominibus appellatae. --UV
Ah, I understand, thanks. As to our own category structure, I myself create many of these categories -- but I had grasped this point and I don't add birth and death dates to them. I'll keep an eye out for that problem now. Andrew Dalby
I undid your change to meta:Death anomalies table. Articles about deceased people belong to a category whose title starts with "Categoria:Mortui ". Changing this to include all subcategories of Categoria:Homines secundum annum ultimum vitae would not work, because Categoria:Homines vivi is a subcategory of Categoria:Homines secundum annum ultimum vitae as well. --UV
I'm glad I mentioned this to you :) Andrew Dalby 09:42, 3 Novembris 2011 (UTC)
Nuper mutata: Ok, I'll try my best to glance over nuper mutata from time to time. Good luck for the things you will be doing in November and December! Greetings, --UV 23:21, 2 Novembris 2011 (UTC)

Hugh Blair[fontem recensere]

Hi! I respect your grading for the article. Would it be possible to ask what could be wrong with the article's latin? For example, it seems no one wants to use "ad" or cum(in favor of ablative absolute) , Noun, gender/type agreement,etc. Thank you in advance.--Jondel 00:40, 25 Novembris 2011 (UTC)

I just happened to notice this. The quick answer is that UV didn't grade the article after Jondel worked on it; he graded it before Jondel had begun to work on it. I'll answer further on Jondel's talk page. Andrew Dalby 10:02, 25 Novembris 2011 (UTC)

Cyprianus Biyehima Kihangire[fontem recensere]

Vale, care UV, tuum adiutum peto. Parvam relecturam dare in ista pagina potes?

Non callidissime loqur nec scribo Latine, et relectura tecnica sicut tua necesse est! Tibi gratias ago!

Rex Momo 15:40, 30 Novembris 2011 (UTC)

Feci. Vale! --UV 23:32, 30 Novembris 2011 (UTC)
Tibi gratias ago! Rex Momo 23:39, 30 Novembris 2011 (UTC)

Re: Redirectiones[fontem recensere]

Ave. That's really COOL! (Latine: Id sane frigidum est... ?!? I think that old Cicero would not understand LOL). Gratias tibi ago. --Achillus 09:23, 2 Decembris 2011 (UTC)

 ;-) --UV 23:10, 2 Decembris 2011 (UTC)

Michael Camara Filho[fontem recensere]

Vale, care UV, tuum adiutum peto. Parvam relecturam dare in ista pagina potes?

I take als the oportunity to say you Hapopy New Year and be lucky in 2012. See youy soon and thanks a lot

Rex Momo 07:44, 30 Decembris 2011 (UTC)

Legi. Ut valeas optime! --UV 19:17, 30 Decembris 2011 (UTC)
Tibi gratias ago, and Happy New year! Rex Momo 00:34, 31 Decembris 2011 (UTC)
Happy New Year to you as well! --UV 13:09, 31 Decembris 2011 (UTC)