Talk:First Nations

Negatives vs Positives

The majority of this article is about the negative attributes of the First Nations experience. Near the end it has brief snippets about music and diversity, etc. Is there nothing good to say about the "culture" of these people prior to European contact, or even during? What about now? Is the experience of First Nations people essentially one of conquest and suffering?

Deepcloud (talk) 11:25, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Series Sidebar

Started this "Ethnic Series sidebar template" to bring together some of the main topics related to the aboriginal peoples of Canada so that the articles stand alone and do not overlap each other in content. What is your opinion? SriMesh | talk 04:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Aboriginal peoples in Canada
First Nations Inuit Métis
History Paleo-Indians Pre-colonization Genetics Residential schools Indian hospitals Conflicts First Nation Inuit
Politics Crown and Aboriginals Treaty rights Health Policy Numbered Treaties Royal Commission Self-government Indian Act British Columbia Treaty Process Idle No More Lateral violence Politics Organizations Case law Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada
Culture Aboriginal cultures Aboriginal personalities Country food Music
Demographics Indian reserves AB FN Métis Atlantic CA BC MB ON QC SK Territories Pacific Coast
Linguistics Aboriginal languages Inuit languages Aboriginal English Dialects Aboriginal syllabics Inuit grammar
Religions Traditional beliefs Inuit mythology
Index Index of articles Aboriginal First Nations Inuit Métis Stubs
Wikiprojects Portal Aboriginal Canadian portal WikiProject Indigenous North Americans First Nations Commons Wiktionary Inuit Commons Wiktionary Métis Commons Wiktionary

very nice add to all pages....when your done i think it looks great.....good job,,,, Lets try it on First nations page see if people like it ..i am sure they will

links you may like to add ,,well not all there is many ...History of Canada, Models of migration to the New World, Origins of Paleoindians,Pre-Columbian,Assembly of First Nations

and List of First Nations peoples,List of First Nations governments,Métis National Council

Buzzzsherman (talk) 06:19, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

UPDATE It has been added to the following articles, PLEASE ADD IT TO new and old articles about the topic.. {{Indigenous Peoples of Canada}} Buzzzsherman (talk) 00:25, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Query about MS Word update

This sentence ..If the seventh miigis being stayed, it would have established the Thunderbird doodem. ... can it be changed to If the seventh miigis were stayed, it would have established the Thunderbird doodem. Being stayed is not quite right perhaps.SriMesh | talk 22:02, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

So i guess this is next on our list to get to GA level....dame lots of work here,,,ok back here again,,,,,,,,,,,lol.............Buzzzsherman (talk) 22:44, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the above question from me was right....it makes sense now, I was reading being as a verb not a noun for some reason.SriMesh | talk 01:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Yes, hello, started on the same queries - items presented for the other article. See you are peeking in here now, also. I will return again to the other article, but need to rest, and return to see it differently.SriMesh | talk 01:44, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

CA English

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Search found Honoré Jackson for honour/honor, apologizes, citizens, citizenship. found for ise-ize, Civilization, decentralization, Social Organizations and Legalization are both in titles of references, and colonization, civilization in a wikilink to a wp article. Changed those in article prose proper, and not in titlesSriMesh | talk 23:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

It seems pretty weird to me that an article on a Canadian topic wouldn't be written in Canadian English (tending to be a bit of a mic of British and American) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.91.224 (talk) 23:48, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Removed some text

"Although not as technologically advanced as the Mesoamerican civilisations further south, there were extensive pre-Columbian sedentary societies in what is now the United States of America. The Iroquois League of Nations or "People of the Long House" was a politically advanced and unique social structure that was inspirational and influential on the development of the democratic United States government, a departure from the strong monarchies from which the Europeans came." Not about Canada at all.SriMesh | talk 01:28, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

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Buzzzsherman (talk) 00:34, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thinking of removing............................

Thinking of removing the following 3 paragraphs ......but wll let the next editor make the choice with my clear support: I believe it is very bias - referenced or not.. Or maybe its an American view .. Or MAY BE I AM WRONG but the worded just sound off to me almost demeaning.

Buzzzsherman (talk) 21:35, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Habitually when innovative artists depart from established conventions of “native art”, they are deemed “inauthentic” and of less value as a First Nations piece. Oscar Howe, for example, entered his piece Umine Wacipi: War and Peace Dance with an abstract portrayal of a ritual dance in the Annual Contemporary American Indian Painting Exhibition in 1958, and the panel of jurors (2 out of 3 Caucasian) disqualified him from the competition. They declared his work not “Indian” enough. Modern First Nations art is a very useful to track the shifting notions of identity, culture, and sovereignty.

Hock E Aye Vi (Edgar Heap of Birds), an artist of Cheyenne and Arapaho descent, challenges colonial history and current issues of displacement in his work. His provocative public art such as his Native Hosts series, reminds the city's residents that they are “guests of people whose land they occupy. Formerly around the Vancouver Art Gallery, the series is now placed across the campus of the University of British Columbia. The “signage” welcomes the audience, while declaring claiming the territory for the one of the First Nations bands in British Columbia.

Another iconic modern artist is Lawrence Paul Yuxweluptun. His performance piece, An Indian Act: Shooting The Indian Act, protests the ongoing effects of the legislation on Aboriginal people. He also does surrealist paintings, dealing with environmental destruction, land claims, Aboriginal rights, and racism. He has been called one of Canada's most important painters; this Salish artist has been exhibited all across the world.

Grapes

" Leif's third landing was at a place he called Vinland, where he found grapes growing wild."

It should perhaps be stressed that the "Greenlanders Saga" claims grapes were found at Vinland, but that there is little evidence that this was ever, in fact, the case. The name "vin" can, in old norse, refer to "grasses, meadows", and was used in this sense in Jæren, where Leiv Eriksson came from. The historian Claus Krag (http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claus_Krag) claims the reference to grapes was added in the saga to emphasize the presumed lushness of the landscape. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgabrielsen (talk • contribs) 12:28, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Does this make sense?

The words "Canada's early interactions with First Nations and Inuit populations were peaceful" seem somewhat suspect to me. It does not seem right. Surely if any populations were to be described as "Canada" it would be the First Nations and Inuit populations. Should it say instead "White Europeans' early interactions with Canada's First Nations and Inuit populations were peaceful" or something like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EttaLove (talk • contribs) 14:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Link Seems Suspect

When I click to reference 11 here [1], I get to a site with this text: "My only issue with this insert, if there is to be one, is that Fleshlight girls winter sale it consumes lots of lube, which in turn leads to spills and unwieldy messes that must be cleaned up afterwards." Uncle uncle uncle 05:54, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

The references also seem to be confused with the further reading sections —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uncle uncle uncle (talk • contribs) 05:56, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

This seems to have something to do with it but I don't see where it actually supports the statement about First Nations being more successful than American Indians. The reference does say page 15-16, and I don't see that either, so maybe this is only a summary? Whatever the case, the cite still needs work. I took out the other URL though. Keep your fork, there's pie (talk) 21:27, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Religion

The table for Native Americans list the religion of the NAI as both Christian and Anglican; perhaps we could either drop Anglican or change generic "Christian" to something else? Kostantino888Z (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

European Contact

I read on the Basque language article that Basque whalers had contact with the inhabitants of the Gulf of St. Lawrence, and indeed a few of their words where incorporated into the local languages. This is not mentioned here. Can anyone find when this happened and put it on the page? If it is earlier then Cartier, it is significant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.207.41.133 (talk) 01:38, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Rabaska

Rabaska redirects here, but there is no content in this article that mentions or defines "Rabaska" in any way. DavidConrad (talk) 00:50, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

The First Nations article needs to be revised

The article on First Nations is inaccurate. It focuses on information that is not relevant to the topic.

There is far more relevant information about First Nations then the Bering Strait Theory, the Paleo-Indians and Archaic periods in Canada and early Canadian History. All of which is covered over and over again in numerous articles throughout Wikipedia. People need to begin to see the Indigenous people of the Americas as people who still exist and live in a modern world, and stop viewing them as people of the past. Niineta (talk) 13:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

You are correct I have removed it as its all covered (the same wording) in the main article.Moxy (talk) 21:07, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

As the text has been reverted since November 2, 2011, the concept/definition of First Nations still needs to be identified.

Unlike the article previously stated First Nations is NOT an "ethnicity". It's a political structure. The term First Nations was coined in the early 1980s by The "Assembly of First Nations" (AFN). Prior to the formation of the AFN there was no such term as First Nations. First Nations has no legal definition as does the term "Indian" under the "Indian Act".

Actually it is a ethnicity but I change it - Statistics Canada has been tracking Canada 's Aboriginal peoples for many years through the census ethnic origin question]. and is relefted in the recent change of Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada title.Moxy (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

• No, First Nations is not an ethnicity. Canada Census uses the term "Aboriginal Identity" to determine which of the (4) "Aboriginal Groups" (As define by the 1982 Constitution Act) a person may identify with.

The AANDC name change was to better reflect the scope of the department's mandate which not only includes "Indians" but also the Metis and the Inuit populations and the North.

First Nations ethnicity is defined by their Nation (tribal descent) eg. Haida, Blackfoot, Cree, Mohawk. Mi'kmaq, etc. Neither the Canada Census nor AANDC uses "First Nations" or "Aboriginal" to indicate ethnicity. Niineta (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

The AFN was formed to unite all First Nations (Indian) governments across Canada to advocate for the inclusion of the First Nations concerns in the formation of the Constitution. During that process the government defined the term "Aboriginal".

Sounds good - We can add -"The Assembly was organized so as to be accountable to all First Nations in Canada. The new structure was formally adopted in July 1985, as part of the Charter of the Assembly of First Nations."

•The AFN was not organized to be accountable to First Nations. The AFN was organized to enable First Nations to respond "in unity with a single voice" to "governmental policies" through an "Assembly" of "First Nations Leadership". Hence the name "Assembly of First Nations" (meaning - the Chiefs/Leadership in Assembly). Niineta (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes I agree- this is why removed it as it the individual tribes that matter [2]

Unlike popular usage Aboriginal is not interchangeable with First Nations. The legal definition of Aboriginal is defined in the Constitution. Aboriginal is defined as a term which collectively includes "Indian", "Metis" and the "Inuit". Because Aboriginal has been assigned a "legal" definition in the Constitution, Unlike in the rest of the world, "Aboriginal" does not mean Indigenous.

Are you sure the ref says other wise ... The category "North American Indian" includes respondents who indicated that their ethnic origins were from a Canadian First Nation, or another, non-Canadian aboriginal group (excluding Inuit and Métis). Source: "How Statistics Canada Identifies Aboriginal Peoples". Statistics Canada. Retrieved 2011-01-16. Moxy (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

EXCERPT

It was not until the 1980's that Statistics Canada began to ask a specific question about Aboriginal identity. Statistics Canada collects information about "Aboriginal identity" in keeping with the terminology of Aboriginal peoples as employed in the Constitution Act, 1982 (S.35(2) in this Act, "Aboriginal peoples of Canada" includes the Indian, Inuit and Métis peoples of Canada.

"Aboriginal group", i.e., North American Indian, Métis or Inuit, "those who reported being a Registered Indian or Treaty Indian as defined by the Indian Act of Canada". This statement specifically singles out the "First Nations". (as the Registered/Status and Treaty Indians). http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/12-592-x/12-592-x2007001-eng.htm

In 1996 more new questions were added including Aboriginal identity. History of the Census of Canada - http://census2011.gc.ca/ccr01/ccr01_007-eng.htm

The term "Aboriginal" was first defined in the 1982 Constitution Act. Prior to that it did not exist, (with the current meaning) in canadian usage. The term " Aboriginal identity" was not in use until 1996. In Canada, both "Aboriginal" and "First Nations" have "specific definitions" and as a result they are NOT interchangeable. Niineta (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Not sure what your saying here - Aboriginals are not Indigenous ? and where does it say they are interchangeable?Moxy (talk) 02:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

This is pointless information. this information belongs in the Employment Equity Act information/article and serves no purpose here.

First Nations are not a "designated group" - Aboriginal peoples are the "designated group" (Aboriginal peoples = Indian (Status/Non-Status) Metis and the Inuit.)

Are you sure What are the designated groups?.Moxy (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Under the Employment Equity Act, First Nations are a "designated group", along with women, visible minorities, and persons with physical or mental disabilities.[5] They are not defined as a visible minority under the Act or by the criteria of Statistics Canada.[6]

Whats wrong with these facts - are they not true?Moxy (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

• As already stated, "Aboriginal peoples" are the "designated group" NOT "First Nations". It's like saying "Irish women" are the designated group. No they are not "Women" are the designated group. Secondly, Why is this information included? Is there a plan to elaborate on this information? Such as a section to indicate if the Employment Equity Act has proven to be beneficial or not for First Nations people. As it stands now it's simply filler text. (English 101) Niineta (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok so are you saying you would like us to change the word "First Nations" to "Aboriginal peoples"? As for its usage - its a very interesting fact. Moxy (talk) 02:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

This information is total gibberish.

First Nations have "always" referred to themselves by their particular ethnicity (It's not a more recent trend) Very few ever identify themselves as First Nations. That term is used in the political/government arena and in the media. Who (by the way) incorrectly uses Aboriginal 99% of the time when referring to First Nations. When in fact the Metis and the Inuit have nothing to do with the Chiefs, the Assembly of First Nations, the reserve system, taxation, the Indian Act or related legislation etc. Discussing the term First Nations as plural or single is ridiculous. WTH are culturally politicised reserves?

The term First Nations (most often used in the plural) has come into general use for the indigenous peoples of the Americas located in what is now Canada, except for the Arctic-situated Inuit, and peoples of mixed European-First Nations ancestry called Métis. The singular, commonly used on culturally politicised reserves, is the term First Nations person (when gender-specific, First Nations man or First Nations woman)

A more recent trend is for members of various nations to refer to themselves by their tribal or national identity only, e.g., "I'm Haida," or "We're Kwantlens," in recognition of the distinctiveness of First Nations ethnicities.[7]

Sound ok do you have a references that says that they have always used it - the ref in the article says other wise. I have always had a problem with this section and would love to fix it.Moxy (talk)

• Well, it's simply common knowledge. There may be references somewhere. But it is mentioned in the following.

Prior to 1951, Canada's Aboriginal people were defined by their "tribal descent" (ethnicity) or their matrilineal (tribal) descent.

This changed between 1951 and 1971 when Aboriginal people were defined by their patrilineal (tribal) descent.

From 1981 to the present, Aboriginal ancestry has been defined by (tribal) descent from both the mother and the father's side. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/pub/12-592-x/12-592-x2007001-eng.htm

This excerpt is an example of exactly what I said about how "Aboriginal" is used incorrectly 99% of the time. Tribal descent has absolutely no relevance to the Inuit, Metis or the Non-Status Indian "Aboriginal groups". In fact many Metis/Non-status Indians don't know what Tribe/Nation they descend from. It's so far back in their ancestral blood-line. Tribal descent is only relevant for First Nations. It's only the First Nations that have to maintain close blood-ties as an indication of tribal descent. - Niineta (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Ok something is wrong here after reading the above you seem to agree with the statement. That only recently have they been using this form of name recognition -"again" like in the past.Moxy (talk) 02:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

This obviously belong somewhere else (eg under History) and has no relevance here.

North American indigenous peoples have cultures spanning thousands of years. Some of their oral traditions accurately describe historical events, such as the Cascadia Earthquake of 1700. Written records began with the arrival of European explorers and colonists during the Age of Discovery, beginning in the late 15th century.[8][9] European accounts by trappers, traders, explorers, and missionaries give important evidence of early contact culture.[10] In addition, archeological and anthropological research, as well as linguistics, have helped scholars piece together understanding of ancient cultures and historic peoples.

Whats wrong with this? leads are to summarize the article - you think its best we move it or you think its wrong? Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead sectionMoxy (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

• No, I don't think its wrong. I simply think it should be included elsewhere. "leads are to summarize the article". . . Does it? I think that's my issue. Who exactly is this article about? Is it about the "First Nations", or about "Aboriginal people"? They are not one and the same. Or is it simply Canadian history with some reference to North American Indians? Niineta (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I will be honest it needs fixing - but its a much better lead then a long winded First Nations definition. 02:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)Moxy (talk)

This is a POV

Although not without conflict or slavery, Euro-Canadians' early interactions with First Nations and Inuit populations were relatively noncombative compared to the often violent battles between colonists and native peoples in the United States. Combined with later economic development, this relatively noncombative history has allowed First Nations peoples to have a strong influence on the national culture, while preserving their own identities.[11]Niineta (talk) 12:48, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Again whats wrong with this?? - you disagree with the refs? - do you believe there was lots of conflict and that First Nations have had little influence on Canadian culture and identity?Moxy (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

• Well it's nice "feel good" rhetoric. I'd hardly say "First Nations" peoples had a strong influence on the national culture, since they were excluded from Canadian society and economy for more than 150 years. It's only since the 1970's that the "First Nations" (Status/Treaty Indians) have achieved any inclusion in Canadian society through organized representation. Hence the formation of the "Assembly of First Nations". From that time to the present day First Nations have had to fight for every basic right taken for granted by other Canadian citizens. If you want to see the reality of what the "First Nations" people face, just go to YouTube and watch it. Then you tell me if it fits the rhetoric. Here are a handfull of titles. . . Blockade on the 117 - part 1, The Ts'Peten Defenders, NITEWATCH part 7, Quebecers Hate us so Much-, As long as the Rivers Flow: Story of the Grassy Narrows, Ts'Peten Defenders - NITEWATCH part 5, OIL ON LUBICON LAND: A PHOTO ESSAY. Niineta (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

We will have to disagree here - "strong influence on the national culture" - this is clear in the food, place names, sports and art more recently etc.. Would have to see a ref that says other wise. Yes were excluded at times and in certain places but we still have had a great influence on things - especially in the west.Moxy (talk) 02:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

All that said above would love to fix up this article but we realy need references for these positions of yours - as there are refs in the article thus far support the statements that are there.Moxy (talk) 15:56, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

FYI

•The Assembly of First Nations (AFN) was formed when the 630 First Nations governments amalgamated into a single body. Through amalgamation the AFN moved away from a Regional Representative structure to an "Assembly" of First Nations Government Leaders.

The AFN represents the Status & Treaty Indians (First Nations) and does NOT represent the other 3 Aboriginal groups in Canada. These Aboriginal groups have "National Organizations" that represent them. The National organizations that represent the other Aboriginal groups are:

• Inuit Tapiriit Kanatami- is the national representative of the "Inuit" http://www.itk.ca/page/about-itk

• Métis Nation Council - representes the "Métis" Nation nationally and internationally. http://www.metisnation.ca/

• The Congress of Aboriginal Peoples - represents the "Non-Status Indians" interests nationally. http://www.abo-peoples.org/about/structure.html

The question is "Why do the Aboriginal People have 4 separate National organizations to represent them?" The reason is the "Aboriginal groups" are different groups of peoples, who have different histories, different relationships with Canada and different issues and concerns.

(1) The "Inuit" hold title to 40% of Canada's land mass and primarily live in 3 self-governing territories Nunavut, Nunavik (Northern Quebec), Nunatsiavut (Northern Labrador) and Inuvialuit (which remains apart of the Northwest Territories). As a result of resource extraction in their territories, they have revenue-sharing agreements with Canada. The Inuit are taxpaying citizens of Canada and receive their programs and services through their territorial governments. The Inuit are entitled to all currently recognized "Aboriginal Rights" (eg. land title, resource sharing agreements, Canada's obligation to consult etc.)

(2) The "Métis" were recognized as "Aboriginal" for the first time in the 1982 Constitution Act. They are taxpaying citizens of Canada and receive their programs and services through their provincial governments. They have no treaty rights or currently recognized Aboriginal rights.

The "Indians" are divided into 2 distinct groups, the "Status and Treaty Indians" and the "Non-Status Indians"

(3) The "Non-Status Indians" also consist of 2 groups. The first group are the indigenous people who have societies with historical connections to their territories and communities. They hold title to their ancestral land and have no treaties/agreements to share their lands. Many within this group are negotiating with Canada for compensation for the exchange of land. Some within this group have entered into self-government agreements similar to that of the Inuit. Non-Status Indians are not governed by the legislation of the "Indian Act". Like the Inuit they are entitled to all currently recognized "Aboriginal Rights". . . . . The second group consists of the descendants of Status Indians who lost their "Status" for one reason or another, the Metis who have no connection to any Metis community and those who have a family story of indigenous ancestry. This group of people are not recognized as Aboriginal and have NO Aboriginal rights. Their inclusion as Non-Status Indians is purely political. The Non-Status Indians are taxpaying citizens of Canada and receive their programs and services through the provincial governments, with the exception of those Nations that provide services through self-government agreements.

(4) The "Status and Treaty Indians" (First Nations) are the Aboriginal group represented by the "Assembly of First Nations" This is the ONLY group governed by the legislation of the "Indian Act" and are defined as "Indians and were NOT CITIZENS of Canada" under the "Act". This is the only group under the reserve system where by a land base was defined for each band and is held "In Trust" By Canada. This Aboriginal group signed historical treaties/agreements with Great Britain and Canada. The treaties defined the land base, monetary settlements and other sanctions (eg, hunting & fishing rights, etc) as compensation for agreeing to share their ancestral lands with Canada. The monetary settlements are "Held in Trust" by Canada. As a result Canada has a fiduciary responsibility as the "trustee" of their money. The money "Held in Trust" provides programs and services to this group as defined under the "Indian Act". As a result under certain situations (eg. live and work on the reserve) they are not subject to taxation. This is the only Aboriginal group who have both "Treaty and Aboriginal Rights".

In 1951 this Aboriginal group were "retro actively" declared citizens (to the 1940s), provided they met certain requirements. They could be citizens, although they were excluded from all benefits and rights of citizenship, including representation and the right to vote. In 1962, in preparation to legislatively extinguish the legal recognition of this group and Canada's responsibility as defined under the treaties and the Indian Act, they were granted the right to vote and along with that came the right to representation. (which was previously illegal)

The First Nations (Status and Treaty Indians) quickly organized and representative organizations were established (on a regional basis) across the country. The first issue that was dealt with was Canada's attempt to extinguish the legal recognition and rights of this group. (White Paper, 1969) They were successful in defeating Canada's attempt to extinguish their recognition and rights. (Citizen Plus, the "Red Paper")

Two pressing issues the fledgling First Nation's organizations had to addressed was "Child Welfare" and "Education". Major action was taken to influence legislation to stop the widespread removal and adoption of First Nations children off the reserves (60s scoop). The second was what could be termed the first (First Nation's) "National policy" and the policy came to be known as "Indian Control of Indian Education". Under this policy the First Nations worked to gain control of the management of their local schools and to establish post-secondary "culturally relevant" programs to train First Nations teachers and social workers to meet the needs of their people. Many other issues were also addressed, such as insuring access to programs and services available to other Canadians. (eg. health care, employment services, etc}.

An attempt was made to merge all regional "organizations" in hopes of achieving better management and eliminate duplication of effort. To this end, all 4 "Aboriginal groups" merged but, soon found the organization could not address the needs of such widely diverse groups. As each Aboriginal group explored the alternatives, Canada began the process to patriate the Constitution.

To ensure the First Nations would not be legislatively extinguished through the Constitutional process, the First Nations quickly restructured a strong "existing" regional organization to unite all First Nations Leadership, and the "Assembly of First Nations" was established in 1982, to address this concern.

Because the Status/Treaty Indians (First Nations) have only been apart of Canadian society for such a short time and have had to deal with such widespread issues. The Assembly of First Nations appears to the public as the governmental arm of the First Nations. But, like the other Aboriginal "Representative" Organizations, the Assembly of First Nation's role is to be an "advocate" on behalf of all First Nations and is their "Public/Political voice".

I provided this information to explain who the "First Nations" are.

The First Nations are the "Status/Treaty Indians" as stated on the "Assembly of First Nations" website.

The First Nations are "Aboriginal" as defined in the Canadian "Constitution Act, 1982"

The First Nations are "Indians" as defined by the "Indian Act", therefore they are "North American Indians".

On the other hand, "North American Indians", "Non-Status Indians" and other Canadian "Aboriginals are NOT First Nations. Niineta (talk) 21:37, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

All this above looks good lets get it referenced and added in.Moxy (talk) 02:52, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Why aren't Inuit First Nations?

The article should mention this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jose Trawn (talk • contribs) 00:27, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Gurmani /gormani

Gurmani or Gormani is a baloch tribe of balochistan .Gurmani is sub-nation of Bugti bloch.The Gurmani are present in layyah,lorlai,multan,dg khan,karachi,kot sultan,kot addu, muzafar garh ,basti gurmani ,karor, bakhri ahmad khan , bait wasaya shumali ,rajan pur and in many other places. They fought many battles against tangwani . MAIN PEOPLE: Nawab Mushtaq Ahmed gurmani was the best ever politition and richest man of sub continent. SARDAR Abdul kareem khan gurmani is a landlord of kot sultan/bakhri. Ghulam Muhamad khan gurmani. Sardar Rab Nawaz khan gurmani (d.o of multan) was a landlord of bakhri and brother of sardar abdul rasheed khan gurmani and sardar abdul kareem khan . Ahsan ullah khan gurmani is a famous personality of layyah. Mian zeshan gurmani(MPA MUzafargarh),SAUD gurmani and Tariq gurmani are big polititions of kot addu. Haseeb khan gurmani is also a good personality . Zaka ullah khan . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.69.12.48 (talk) 12:15, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

This article is about indigenous peoples from Canada, not elsewhere. We do have a stub for Gurmani: the above comments should be posted to that article’s discussion page, or perhaps at Bugti, Rind, Baloch people, or Pakistani people.—Odysseus1479 18:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Dating, Metis, peoples

A minor point, but I noticed that the dating in this article uses both AD and CE. It should probably be consistent throughout.

It mentions early Euro-Canadian interactions with First Nations and Metis, but I would take early interaction to mean 16th or 17th century while Metis have only been around since 18th or 19th century.

Could someone just clarify for me what is meant by the term "first peoples". Is this meant to cover all the North America cultures as opposed to only Canada's First Nations, or is it a collective term for First Nations/Metis/Inuit, or something else entirely? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.239.72.120 (talk) 01:02, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Ethnic composition

Where can I get number of each first nation group?--Kaiyr (talk) 13:51, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Untitled

Sorry, I am rather ignorant about editing wiki. But the last paragraph in the first section referencing the difference between the "First Nations" (love privileged racial terms) experience in dealing with Canadian and US Euros to be extremely nationalistic Canadian POV.

It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hope2helpU (talk • contribs) 07:44, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

First nation

Why dont number of each first nation count in census? for example how many cree?--Kaiyr (talk) 07:29, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Violence Against Indigenous Women

The Canadian state has premised it's sovereignty on the erasure of Indigenous womanhood. This has been maintained through: the structured violence of the residential school system, legislative violence found in discriminatory policy such as the Indian Act, and is reinforced by media such as mainstream news stories. Pre-contact Indigenous societies within Canada maintained equality between woman, man, child and all life forms on the planet. This equality brought harmony to Indigenous communities and there was a common belief that disruption of this harmony would bring distortion within community. Anderson (2000 58) argues that when European settlers arrived within the territory they were shocked by the power that Native women held within their socio-political systems of governance. The equality of Indigenous women with men ran in direct contrast to European patriarchal norms. European settlers recognized that in order to establish a sovereign state, they would first have to dismantle the power that Indigenous women held within their societies. An example of legislative violence against Indigenous women was found in the Indian Act. In 1977, a Maliseet Woman Sandra Lovelace, challenged the discriminatory legislation of the Indian Act. This policy stated that an Indigenous woman would lose her legal Indian status if she were to marry a non-status Indian. The loss of status was detrimental to Native women because it would no longer allow for them to reside on reserve, breaking the connection to culture and community, two imperative factors in sustaining Indigenous identity. Lovelace brought her case to the Supreme Court of Canada, where it was rejected. She then brought her case to the United Nations Human Rights Committee (UNHRC) arguing that this denial of status was an act of discrimination against her inherent rights of an Indigenous woman to maintain cultural and communal connections (ICCPR 1976). The UNHRC did find that this policy infringed upon Article 27 of the ICCPR and the Canadian state reacted by amending the Indian Act through Bill C-31. Bill C-31 now has a formula that is no less discriminating against Indigenous women and children, as it still determines who a woman can have a child with so that the child may be eligible for status. Furthermore, structural violence has impacted Indigenous women in detrimental ways. With the imposition of the residential school system, children were forced to leave their traditional education systems to engage in Western schooling systems. Violence and abuse were rampant in these schools and the breakdown of community and cultural roles for women occurred at rapid rates. The emotional bond between child and relative, an important factor to Indigenous communities, was loosened and this disconnection impacted Indigenous communities leading to detrimental impacts on cultural transmission (Jacobs & Williams 124). This form of structural violence against Native women is yet another tool the state has used in an attempt to dominate the land. Finally, media stories have had an impact on reinforcing violence against Indigenous women. General society, rather than view these women as powerful leaders, tend to see them as worthless or sub-human. This is apparent in the way that news stories cover issues of Murdered and Missing Indigenous Women within Canada. Rather than focus on the fact that the victims of these stories are strong and prominent women, mothers, or daughters, there is discussion on the negative aspects of their lives. For example, the recent media coverage on the death of Cindy Gladue demonstrates that she was a prostitute prior to any discussion that she was a mother of three children and a woman belonging to a Cree community. This disregard reinforces to general society that Native women are worthless and that violence against them is an acceptable fact. The state does not want to acknowledge the role that it plays in the violence against these women, nor does it want to engage in alleviating the issue. To assume that the state would provide assistance to alleviate this issue would also require that the state is willing to share sovereignty over this territory as it re-empowered Indigenous women, allowing for them their inherent rights as political leaders within community and to be regarded as well-respected beings within the present nation-state of Canada.

Anderson, Kim. A Recognition of Being: Reconstructing Native Womanhood. Toronto: Second Story Press, 2000. Print.

International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). United Nations Human Rights.1976. Retrieved on March 12, 2014.

Jacobs, Beverly, and Williams, A. "Legacy of Residential Schools: Missing and Murdered Aboriginal Women." in From Truth to Reconcilliation: Transforming the Legacy of Residential Schools. Ed. Marlene B. Castellano, Linda Archibald and Mike DeGagne. (2008) Ottawa: Aboriginal Healing Foundation. p 119-140. Print. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ljaygood (talk • contribs) 04:15, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Nova Scotia First Nations

There's a map in the article that links to articles about First Nation groups in various provinces, and there are links for most provinces, yet there's no link for Nova Scotia (The NS initial appears on the correct geography, but doesn't link to anything). There are a number of bands from the Mi'kmaq Nation in Nova Scotia. Someone should add this link. 142.68.203.123 (talk) 07:00, 3 August 2015 (UTC)

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