Talk:Iranian Space Agency

Persian!

Whoever added the Arabic template is mistaken! For the hundredth time, Iran's language is Persian, not Arabic! I added an Arabic translation, though. The name should also be translated into Persian. --Anas Salloum 20:39, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I followed the link to article on Shalab-4 and that articles stated that Shalab-4 was shelved in favor of the liquid propelled IRIS model.. Is this true I don't have time to research the links, but someone might want to change that part in this article. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.160.109 (talk) 03:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

established in 2004 or 1974 ?

the infobox says 2004 while the category says 1974 ? --Ezzex (talk) 18:49, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Citations needed for claims

This article needs extensive citations. It is mentioned that 2nd stage is derived from Taepodong-1 and 3rd stage is of Chinese design. Iran has apparently announced these are of internal design. Strong citations are needed to prove or at least make the claims strong. Please discuss if you do not agree. 60.53.173.190 (talk) 11:51, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Edit of the page and also the above comment belongs to me (I forget to login). Sarmadys (talk) 11:53, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

I had no desire to inflate (or diminish) the accomplishment. I've added, as planned from the beginning, some references & further relativisation of the claims. Feel free to improve upon the text, but I think it stands close to as neutral as knowledge at this time will allow. Personally, I wouldn't mind independent confirmation that the satellite really is up there, & to stay, & for that a little more time has to pass. Sincerely --nielspeterqm (talk) 12:43, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Now it almost obvious that the launcher has been a 2 stage rocket not a 3 stage Discussion. In addition Iranian animation of the launch Youtube Video shows a 2 stage launcher. The satellite has been released using spring method from a relatively big 2nd stage (as also discussed in previous reference). Sarmadys (talk) 02:34, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Article is wrong

India hasn't sent a man into space but the writer didn't seem to know that.--Craigboy (talk) 05:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I don't see where it says so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.116.236.229 (talk) 11:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Man on moon

There is an issue about whether ISA said they were going to have a man on the moon by 2025. The source given was this. The only other internet source I found on a quick hunt was this. Is there any knowledge about this? I couldn't find anything on the Space Agency site other than that they were going for manned space flight within 10 years. Fainites ^barleyscribs 11:26, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I removed the claim, simply because there is no Iranian source to back it up. There are plenty of Iranian English language publications and media. None seem to have reported on this. What is needed is an official Iranian agency or political figure making such a claim that they intend to land a man on the moon, as opposed to a third party quoted opinion in an article in the American media, that cites no source for the claim. The Iranians have a space program. They have a satellite launch capability. They have openly stated that they wish to orbit an astronaut at some point in the 2020's. I am not aware of any claim that they wish to land a man on the moon, let alone a robotic probe some type. I would argue that some media claims may hold a bias, in one way or another. The anonymous IP that reverted my edit(s) and called me "racist" seems rather aggressive in prompting his point of view. I am of that ethnic "background" myself, and want the Iranian Space Program reported on as accurately as possible. That is the reasoning behind my removals. The Scythian 20:43, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

OK fine. I was pretty sure that if the ISA had made this claim it would appear somewhere more official than a couple of old newspaper articles.Fainites ^barleyscribs 10:29, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey, if they said it, I am all for inclusion. So far, it has only been superficial western sources that appear to be repeating the exact same line. I am also getting a little annoyed at repeatedly being called a "vandal" and "racist" by this user, "Irooniqermex," who I suspect is the same as the anonymous IP address who posted on my talk page, as well as did the previous reverts. His tone and attitude is combative. Given that his account is so new, and his attitude so aggressive, I would not be surprised if he is a banned editor. Not that it really matters, but I'd rather discuss this without all the accusations flying around. The Scythian 19:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

I also consider the edits as vandalism since cited material has been deleted without due process. There are sources out there and just because the vandal does not see it, does not mean non-existence. Even the official Iranian news agency has released a statement by ISA director referring to the program (http://irna.ir/NewsShow.aspx?NID=30273333). There are other sources as well pretty much solid. These western sources could not have made this up by themselves. Whether Iran will go ahead and do it or not is entirely a different thing. The important thing with reference to these articles is the fact that they have announced the existence of such a program officially which is enough a warrant to mention here. Many countries have announced such programs and not all will end up completing them. That will only be decided in future and wikipedia is about today and is not a crystal ball neither its editors should act like one. SO STOP DELETING MATERIAL. Other sources:

http://www.space.com/11153-iran-launches-rocket-space-capsule.html http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-501465_162-20022377-501465.html http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=14331:iran-sends-rocket-into-space-improves-its-missile-capabilities&catid=35:Aerospace&Itemid=107 --Irooniqermez (talk) 17:43, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

• Your source from the ISNA, which is a "student news agency," needs to be translated. Your other sources are repeating the exact same claim. Get an Iranian official's claim that this is the their intent, translated into English, and I'll say it should be in the article. Short of that, this doesn't seem legit. You also need to get your uncivil attitude under control. Anymore claims of vandalism on my part, or your attempts at gaming the system, and I will report your behavior to an admin. I've been more than reasonable. The Scythian 19:33, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

My source is from IRNA and not ISNA. It directly quotes ISA director. So get over your ego. So stop twisting the facts here. You need it to be translated so get it translated for yourself. Your behavior is unacceptable. Your threats are unhelpful to say the least. It is you who has started this edit war unnecessarily. I have put multiple sources which agree with original edit. You have failed to put even a single source to back up your claim that there is no such program. Do not call me uncivil or I will report you to an admin.--Irooniqermez (talk) 20:51, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

You attitude is extremely uncivil and aggressive. I asked to simply tone it down, and now you are making more threats. I would like to see a translation, and also suspect your are a formally banned editor, addition to the anonymous IP address that reverted my previous edits. You are trying to bully your way through this discussion with threats, and game the system by using multiple accounts. The Scythian 21:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

It is you who is uncivil here. You threatened me. Go above and read what you have written. Furthermore now you are accusing me of being banned. Your behavior is getting shameful. It is enough. Either go away and cool down or I will report your unconstructive behavior. Wikipedia is based on sources. I have provided them. You have none. You are in no position to demand anything from me. It is you who is being a bully. Either bring up a source or go away swallowing your pride. You lied up there on multiple occasions. You tried to "form" public opinion by falsifying my source name. And now you are here without an apology. Stop it here. This is my last warning. Or else I will report you. --Irooniqermez (talk) 21:22, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

No, I will not go away. You have no right to tell me to. I have every right to engage in discussion of this article, and every right to constructively edit it. I will not be "bullied" by you. I also welcome your hollow threat of "reporting" me. You need to learn to and abide by the rules of Wikipedia. The Scythian 21:27, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Lets see and start over. You deleted CITED MATERIAL without engaging in any discussion. Then you started threatening others when it was restored simply because the material was not suitable to your palate. Then you demand of me to back down and accuse me wrongly. Your emotive behavior to play a victim here is nonsensical. It is you who is bullying here. Provide a source for you claims. I have put mine. You have put none. You are on the side of err here persistently. And it is you who needs to abide by rules here. Even if you think despite all these sources from networks such as CBS and IRNA any need for more, you should have tagged for more sources. Deleting cited material is vandalism. End of the line.--Irooniqermez (talk) 21:45, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

You are the anonymous IP address that made accusations on my talk page. It is obvious. Your aggressive style is also a trademark of editors that regularly are banned, and then aggressively return. I removed the material instead of adding a tag, simply because there appeared to be so little discussion on this article's talk page. I haven't made any claims. My argument is that western sources are making a very passing claim that Iran has some declared intent to land a man on the moon. I also would wish for a translation the IRNA article, if it is available, as that would be useful to this article. If I recall correctly, the IRNA releases a good deal of English language material? I believe an Iranian source to be essential to back up this claim. You have been accusing me of racism, lying, vandalism, and threatening to ban me, used hidden text within an article, and ordered me not to even engage in discussion of a topic, instead of simply trying to discuss the matter in a civil manor. You also seem to be eager to engage in an edit war, which I have refrained from playing along with. I am currently awaiting an administrators opinion guidance on this matter, as I really do not like being threatened. I also await your "report" that will get me "banned" for simply expressing an opinion on a talk page. The Scythian 22:03, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Let others now decide on this matter. You are still accusing me and trying to play a victim. About the IP dont know. I have already enlisted help and just put a notification on your talk page. Your assertion that there is not enough discussion so you can go and delete cited material on low traffic articles is grossly against the rules of wikipedia. You demanded for an Iranian source as opposed to a western one ( which I have already put one) is laughable too since I regard western sources as more reliable. It is you who is engaged in an edit war. I never said I want to ban, it is you who is trying to throw mud at me. Go and read what you have written. Your behavior is completely unacceptable. I am trying to keep cool here and not match your childish accusative behavior. --Irooniqermez (talk) 22:16, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Budget

Someone has requested for clarification on the $3.9 billion annual budget. The reference is valid but quotes the minister of communications and IT of the budget that ministry has allocated for the organization. I suspect that the amount has been a one time allocation to buy satellites etc and has not been sustained for next years. In addition, launch vehicles etc. are being done by defense ministry and they are possibly not included in this budget.Sarmadys (talk) 06:19, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

I have added budget of the year 1393 (2014) to the article. The budget is taken from official budget book of 1393. The snapshots for those interested follows: http://s13.postimg.org/blas7porr/Faz0.jpg , http://s13.postimg.org/dol7fdokn/Faz1.jpg , http://s13.postimg.org/j2jzmxeav/Faz2.jpg , http://s13.postimg.org/kdrqve9wn/Faz3.jpg , http://i42.tinypic.com/2zzlyt0.jpg Sarmadys (talk) 04:41, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Removed confusing and wrong info

I removed [1] as the info is confusing, or just plain wrong. It talked about Shahab SLV twice in a confusing way. It mentioned Shahab SLV being used to launch Omid yet I can find any evidence Shahab SLV ever existed. Shahab appears to be the name of the Iranian ballastic missiles, and while their satellite launch vehicles (SLVs) may be based on Shahab, it seems they are given different names like Safir. Also Omid wasn't launched until 2009 yet the sentence may lead one to believe it was in 2004. And from what I can tell only one Omid was ever launched. Iran has launched additional satellites but from what I can tell, none of them are called Omid. And the existance of Shahab 4-6 is apparently disputed, so whether Iran refined Shahab or simply moved on to SLVs based on but not called Shahab appears to be disputed. (In itself the info gained from the development of the SLV is likely useful if Iran does ever want to further improve their ballastic missiles.) Nil Einne (talk) 06:55, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

User: Scythian77, The Scythian, Rahba and other names

This editor has been using different user names to delete sourced materials on this article on numerous occasions. He has a particular interest to delete the satellite section and the lunar program section. Please keep vigilance over his editing activities on this article. He has been changing names quite often in order to conceal his/her disruptive behavior. I include here the section he is most interested to delete:

Iran has plans to land an astronaut on the moon by 2025. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.185.79.22 (talk) 07:08, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• Uhmmm...No. The Scythian 15:36, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello, I don't see the problem with this info. (it's an official plan of ISA, isn't it?) 207.158.58.2 (talk)

Nope. Read through the discussion from last year. There is no official ISA claim to a manned lunar mission. The Scythian 10:34, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

That is the official program of ISA and ISA officials have announced it in media. The source links have been provided. Those who say it is not an official program should produce sources for their claim and since last year have failed to do so. --182.185.30.183 (talk) 13:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Burden of proof is on the one making the claim, sparky. The Scythian 16:31, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Burden of proof is on the one who is deleting sources from the article in order to push his POV. --182.185.24.138 (talk) 18:00, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Moon program claim

I am trying to verify the claim that the Iranian Space Agency mentioned a plan to send humans to the moon. I have posted this question at the Language Reference Desk to determine what the agency head in fact said in March 2011 here. Please could any Persian readers help at the Reference desk?

I am aware of the posts above and slow edit warring about this question, and my question is one step to help resolve this. The other step is to ask at the Reliable sources Noticeboard whether space.com is considered reliable for this claim. -84user (talk) 09:48, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Update: Per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#Space.com claim that Iran plans moon program I have inserted a sentence about Iran's moon plans. I used three space.com sources and decided to omit the http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/nicholas20120405 source as it appears to reference http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0203/Reports-Iran-successfully-launches-small-Earth-watching-satellite which is by Space.com's managing editor Tariz Malik and identical to http://www.space.com/14464-iran-launches-small-satellite-orbit.html . -84user (talk) 23:17, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

This has already been discussed to death last year. All your sources use the same source...One "writer" at Space.com, who he himself offers not a sliver of proof that the Iranian Government has made this claim. That is why this nonsense was removed in the first place. Does Iran have a loose plane for a manned orbital mission between now and say 2030. Yes. They have repeatedly said it. Do they have a planned manned-moon mission. No. Only Space.com, a "tabloid" of sorts, has made this claim with zero proof. You show an IRI offical making the claim, and it stays. Otherwise, I smell bull. The Scythian 05:33, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

See this answer . -84user (talk) 09:11, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

I see it, and I still don't follow. The Scythian 11:15, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

The content is sourced, stop removing it. I do not care what you smell. A quick Google shows new scientist, alarabiya and plenty more. Also calling IP editors socks and vandals is a breach of WP:NPA so that had better stop as well. Further reverts on this issue by will lead to a report for edit warring, content blanking (which BTW falls under WP:VAND and personal attacks. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:23, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

You commit personal attack to accuse personal attacks (note your comment about him smelling things)? How classy. He has a valid point. There is no reference in Iranian media about such claim. The least is that this fact be mentioned in the article. Sarmadys (talk) 23:22, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I do agree with you Sarmadys, Darkness Shines attitude could use some adjustment. She so far this editor only makes accusations and threats, and does not seem willing to discuss the facts and sources at hand, or bother to review the previous discussion from 2011. That's very sad, since I believe this article is well written, and deserves to be as accurate as possible. The Scythian 19:19, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

What personal attack? He said he smells bull, hence my comment. You can of course mention that the media in Iran has not mentioned this once you have a source. Darkness Shines (talk) 23:36, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually what you need to do Darkness is come up with a source that quotes the Iranian Government as stating they have a planned lunar program. As of now, no such source exists. The whole lunar question all goes back to a single unsourced article on Space.com from a few years back, that every other English speaking article then sources to. The article was "light" and trying to make a political point. It's absurd to only use that single unrelated source, when no official source exists. The Iranian government publishes everything in English, so if that were the case, a simple Google search would find it. This was all discussed to death about two years back. The anonymous IP that keeps changing it I believe is a banned editor from Pakistan. You might want to check into that. As for the article, I am going to go ahead and include the lunar claim, with a point that no such claim has been made by the Iranian Government or it's Space Agency. Since, as I said, no such claim exists. I'd love to be proven wrong here. The Scythian 19:07, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

No, all I need do is cite a WP:RS. Such as Asian Space Race: Rhetoric or Reality? Springer p33 or Space Policy in Developing Countries: The Search for Security and Development on the Final Frontier Routledge p131. I have reverted your OR, please cite a reliable source when adding or changing content on Wikipedia. Darkness Shines (talk) 19:49, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

It is becoming very clear to me that this has turned into some kind of ego trip for you. I really tried to find a common ground here, but you are being extremely aggressive and uncompromising. More people should be brought in to give an opinion on this. As for now, I am including both viewpoints, since that works as a wonderful happy medium. If you would like to discuss the sources in a civil manor, I am more than happy to oblige. The Scythian 21:20, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

What's to discuss? I have added academic sources to support the content, all you have is OR. When you have sources to support your proposed edit we can talk, till then cya. Darkness Shines (talk) 09:32, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

I have added a note that Iranian sources and media have not mentioned a date for sending astronauts to moon. Please maintain the note unless you find an official or credible Iranian source for the claim.Sarmadys (talk) 15:35, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

I have reverted you, please provide a source for your claims. Read WP:OR. Darkness Shines (talk) 20:09, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Don't revert the change. Should I provide proof for the absence of something? You provide a SINGLE Iranian reference with a date. Sarmadys (talk) 13:06, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Provide a source for the crap you are adding, follow policy. Darkness Shines (talk) 13:14, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Insulting will not solve your problem. The list of non-Iranian references do not mention any specific source for the date. There is not a single reference in the media about that date. There is however enough reasons that the date is not correct. For example, Iran has stated that until 2023 it will be able to put a 700kg satellite in 1000km orbit, and a recent announcement that Iran will create a space suit in 8 years (until 2021). Sarmadys (talk) 14:44, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

The burden of proof is on you to provide a reliable Iranian published source, which shows the reader that claims by Western sources are true. As Sarmadys pointed out, you can't prove a negative. So, it's your obligation to bring a reliable source for your claim. I want to remind that reference #87 (from the ISA website) does not mention anything about that date. Here is what it says about the lunar programme:

"The studies regarding the developed programs on dispatching human to space and Moon and launching satellites into GEO orbit will be discussed in Supreme Council of Space next week." --D3L74 (talk) 15:11, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I added two academic sources which state the lunar program quite clearly, the burden is covered. Stop inserting bullshit OR. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:22, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Please mind WP:CIVIL. I'm fully aware of WP:OR and there is no original research here. The point here is: either Iran has a plan to send an astronaut to moon by 2025. Or, there is no such plan to send an astronaut to moon by 2025. According to Western sources, whether academic or non-academic, Iran has a plan to send an astronaut on a lunar mission by 2025. But, there are clearly no authoritative sources (such as ISA, AIO, ARI) confirming these claims. Unless there is an official confirmation, you have no right to remove that part of the sentence. And, since you cannot prove a negative, both sides of the story need to be presented. --D3L74 (talk) 15:45, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Read WP:V & WP:OR I have every right to remove that made up bollocks, get a source for what is being inserted, follow policy or drop it. Darkness Shines (talk) 15:55, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

No, you don't. I've read those policies, and there is absolutely no policy violation on my part. If x says "Yes", and y says "No", then both sides have to be presented. Since no authoritative source - and by authoritative I mean the Iranian Space Agency, Aerospace Industries Organization, Aerospace Research Institute, or any related governmental body involved in this lunar mission - you have no right to remove that part of the sentence. Please, keep in mind that I have not removed your sources, and therefore I've not breached any rules. Maybe, you too should pay more attention to WP:NPOV and WP:OWN. We can't have it one-sided, you know. --D3L74 (talk) 16:11, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

(out)Read WP:V, I have tagged the OR as citation needed, you got 24hrs and then it goes. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:16, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

The issue is being discussed in Wikipedia:ANI under the title "Iranian Space Agency". I mentioned there that It is not an OR, it is a comment about the verifiability of the provided references as per discussions with other editors. Sarmadys (talk) 16:30, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I have also contacted the authors of the referenced articles (space.com and ieet) and asked them about their reference. I'll wait for their reply. Sarmadys (talk) 16:36, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

FFS, from WP:NOR "To demonstrate that you are not adding OR, you must be able to cite reliable, published sources that are directly related to the topic of the article, and directly support the material being presented." Where are the sources for the shit you are adding? From WP:V "content is determined by previously published information rather than the beliefs or experiences of its editors. Even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it" Again no source, you got 24hrs to find one. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

The references are not verifiable. They do not provide any source and there is no other source to verify their claim. If you insist on adding unverifiable sources, the warning about verifiability should be included. Or we can remove the whole claim since it is not verifiable.Sarmadys (talk) 16:38, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

As I said before, and I hate repeating myself, there is no original research here. You seem to be incapable of comprehending the simple fact that no authoritative sources have confirmed these claims. The burden of proof is on you to bring one single authoritative source confirming such claims. Otherwise, you have no right to dismiss the other side of the story. Do you understand, or should I repeat it again for you? --D3L74 (talk) 16:41, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Spend your time finding a source for the crap. I have quoted the policies source it, or it goes. Darkness Shines (talk) 16:45, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Please mind WP:CIVIL. I hear what you're saying, but you can't ignore the fact that such claims have not been verified by ISA and/or any related space organization involved in Iranian space missions. Well, as I said before, if you intend to delete the other side of the story, it's your obligation to bring a published authoritative source which agrees with the Western sources. --D3L74 (talk) 17:01, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

What is your source for the claim that the Iranian Space Agency has not made statement? 24.126.38.235 (talk) 16:49, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Source for the absence of something? I guess we need source for the existence of such a date announcement. Sarmadys (talk) 17:14, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

If there is going to be a statement in the article that Iranian Space Agency has not made a statement then there needs to be a reliable source that says that otherwise the statement does not belong. 24.126.38.235 (talk) 18:50, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

So you ask for the ISA to issue a refutation in response to an article in a website? Sarmadys (talk) 19:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I have not asked and am not asking for ISA to do anything. I am asking for a reliable source for a statement that has been added into the article. The burden is on the editor(s) adding the information to provide sources so the information is verifiable. The burden is not on the those removing it to show it isn't verifiable. As such I removed it from the article until a reliable source says that the ISA has not made a statement about a moon landing date. 24.126.38.235 (talk) 21:02, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I have sent a fax to space.com in addition to emails to two of their authors. They will hopefully respond and provide clarification on the issue.Sarmadys (talk) 18:17, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I still have not received any reply from the space.com authors (where the date seems to have appeared for the first time). However their first reference to the date is in this article: http://www.space.com/9499-iran-space-program-lots-talk-chance-shine.html in which they refer to a Fact sheet provided by "Tiffany Chow". The fact sheet is available here: http://swfound.org/media/1690/iran_slv_factsheet.pdf (it is the first item in her list of publications: http://swfound.org/about-us/staff-publications/publications-by-tiffany-chow). In the fact sheet footnote these sentences can be read: "“Iran to Send Larger Satellites into Space.” Fars News, Aug. 22, 2010. There are conflicting reports on when Iran will be able to send an astronaut into space. Original plans stated by 2020. This estimate was revised to 2025. Within this article, the date is revised to 2024, with implementation plans being ahead of schedule for 2019.". As you see space.com's possible reference has been revised and there is no talk about moon launch at 2025, rather it mentions the estimate is about "Sending an astronaut to space" (Not The moon). Tiffany Chow's reference is this article : http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8905310683 in which FarsNews agency apparently quotes Ahmadinejad as : "Ahmadinejad also said that the country would send man into space by 2025.". So you see that the whole thing has been a misunderstanding possibly started by Tiffany Chow's initial version of the fact sheet (which is updated and the update is mentioned in the foot note) and then the space.com has quoted the wrong information from Tifanny's initial version. I will update if any of the mentioned people replies to me. But I guess the farsnews Quoute is enough to contradict the other sources. Sarmadys (talk) 21:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

I have found another reference (this time from IRNA, the official news agency of Iran, quoting Hamid Fazeli, the head of ISA) that the 2025 date is for sending an astronaut to the space. You may see the IRNA article here: http://old.irna.ir/News/Politic/Indigenization-of-aerospace-technology-fully-operational,-Minister/80523946 Sarmadys (talk) 06:11, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

We have reliable academic sources which say Iran plans to put a man on the moon by 2025, so what you have written above is a waste of space. Any e-mails you get will not be RS btw. Darkness Shines (talk) 21:37, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Clearly there is serious disagreement here. Please try an not be a "Wiki Thug" about it, Darkness Sheens. The Scythian 22:23, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Nice to see you logged in. Darkness Shines (talk) 22:25, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

It's been a few weeks, and thanks for noticing. The Scythian 22:31, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

A few weeks my arse[2] Darkness Shines (talk) 22:38, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Don't see your point. The Scythian 19:57, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The academic source: Dr. Ajey Lele's reference in the page 33 of his book (http://books.google.com.my/books?id=chtAqyOp9OEC&q=iran+2025#v=snippet&q=iran%202025&f=false) "Asian Space Race: Rhetoric or Reality?" is this article: http://www.space-travel.com/reports/Iran_to_launch_new_generation_of_satellites_999.html , the article repeats the information of FarsNews agency (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.php?nn=8905310683) that "Iran also plans to launch the country's first manned mission into space by 2019.". If you see the farsnews article, the plan of sending an astronaut to space is 2024, Ahmadinejad mentions Iran will send an astronaut to space by 2025 and the government is proposing a change to 2019. It is obvious that the whole chain of articles are either a misquote or misunderstanding. I have emailed Dr. Lele (with a link to this discussion) but his book does not seem to provide a source to the date it provides Sarmadys (talk) 22:40, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Dr. Lele just replied to my email. You may see the reply here: (http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y307/sarmadys/Capture-1_zps85095320.jpg). I have removed my personal information. His contact information can be found here in case anyone of you wants to confirm: (http://www.idsa.in/profile/alele). He has basically used the same source i.e. space.com (more specifically another space.com author's article http://www.space.com/14464-iran-launches-small-satellite-orbit.html which possibly refers to another space.com article). Sarmadys (talk) 05:37, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

The other academic source is the book "Space Policy in Developing Countries: The Search for Security and Development on the Final Frontier" from Dr. Harding. The date has been mentioned in page 131 (http://books.google.com.my/books?id=aJ9YQ1y_OzwC&q=iran+2025#v=snippet&q=iran%202025&f=false) but no reference has been provided for that paragraph and the 2025 date. I have again emailed Dr. Harding with a link to this page. I hope he will provide clarification and possibly a reference to the mentioned date. Sarmadys (talk) 23:11, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Dr. Harding has replied to my email. He unfortunately does not remember a reference for the date. He says he will inform if he can find a reference. He suggests that we look on irna.ir for a reference. The email snapshot can be seen here: (http://i1024.photobucket.com/albums/y307/sarmadys/drharding_zps1d97a7f4.jpg). Sarmadys (talk) 08:38, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Space.com has not answered my emails and faxes. I will try to call them and fax another request. If they have spread inaccurate information, they need to make it correct and publish a correction. If they do not answer the requests, since the inaccurate information provided by the website is penetrating academic research, as an academics, I will try to inform researchers and related websites. Sarmadys (talk) 08:43, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

Reviewing multiple sources (using search engines or not), finding that none make a statement and saying this in the article is against Wikipedia policy per Wikipedia:SYNTHESIS: "Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources." I personally appreciate Sarmadys's efforts to find the truth on the matter here on the talk page; perhaps if the 2025 date is false, eventually a reliable source stating that is found. Olli Niemitalo (talk) 09:04, 11 February 2013 (UTC)