Nova Crystallis

This is a nice read, thanks! Changing up the story every 3 months?! God…

This guy deserves respect. Everyone knows how Japanese people are… humm… “closed”. And to a “gaijin” gain the status that has today in SE, dudes… This guy must be super talented!

its even more shocking that the game was supposed to be released in 2014!!?

Sounds like Gentiana and Umbra had more fleshed-out stories that got discarded. Sad.

I like the designs in XV, but I’d prefer it if that style stayed in XV….I can’t say I’m exactly thrilled with the idea of this guy “reinterpreting” anything in FFVII. Amano or Nomura only, please. This is the only detail in which I’m a “purist”. I just don’t like Ferrari’s style and think it’s lacking in grace. He may be loyal to Nomura but he doesn’t match up to Nomura’s excellence. Why would they even consider this guy for FFVII?

In fact, this story kept changing every 3 months and the
definitive delivery date for the game was for the end of 2014 (who would
have thought it would have been pushed back to November 2016?).

Tabata: he guys! You remember Type- 0 when everyone died in the end? and crisis core did you like how I killed Zack?

Team: Oh no…..not again, he wants to kill all FF characters again…

Tabata: Lets kill all off !!!!!!

Tabata Nice story!!

Just like I thought. For the better part of five years, Failmura had no idea what the fuck he was even doing, so they brought on Tabata to salvage the clusterfuck he created.

But, no. Tabata fails. He sucks. He killed Final Fantasy. He’ll butcher the next one. That’s the overwhelming opinion with the fucktards. The Kingdom Hearts fantards who can’t see a shitty game when it slaps you in the crotch. :< Versus XIII was a shitty game. Deal with it. XV is not. Deal with it.

This is also why you'll never see that rumored so-called "Versus XV original concept." Because there was nothing worth seeing. It was just a bunch of pre-rendered FMV crap that Failmura thought it looked cool. That's what goes into that idiot's mind when making games. What looks the cool. Not characters. Not gameplay. Not story. Flash first, then make it up as you go.

Lol, he didn't make any s*** up this time. They took it away from him this time and gave it proper to Tabata, and good on Square for that.

I didn’t like his designs except for Ardyn’s and Noctis clothes.

Fuck Nomura.

Except the fact that he kept fucking changing the story every three months.

He didn’t know what the fuck he was doing, so they brought in Tabata to salvage the project while moving Nomura to his shitty Kingdom Hearts games full-time.

Whoever thought him getting the reigns of the FFVII remake was a good idea needs to burn a fiery death. Hopefully he’ll fuck that one up too, and someone else will need to come in and rescue the project. I don’t care if we have to wait ten years again for that to happen, it just needs to happen.

these small additional details about Versus XIII are very exciting

And the game still failed under Tabata even then if you’re going to put it like that. Tabata has been there since some time of 2012/early 2013. They had from then until 2016 to deliver a product that was mostly completed. Nomura was taken off around 2013 and Tabata was put full in charge over the game. Reports about the story being changed during the Tabata error have come up more and more by multiple people who worked on the game.

Now we know it was getting changed every 3 months which explains why the game came out missing content because they spent time and money making scenes that would never make it into the game but some were lucky enough to at least end up in a trailers.

If all Nomura did was make FMVs
(which that statement is quite wrong and there was work being done but the game became too much for the engine to handle it. Plus everything he showed off in the gameplay footage was literally possible to do in an actual game as seen in KH which even if you don’t like it doesn’t exclude the fact that the gameplay is possible)
and there was no actual story or gameplay being done pre Tabata then that means Tabata could have easily completed the story his way and did the gameplay his way (which he did that part even though it may be a bit clunky) and everything should have been mostly 90% finished by released with minimal complaints. But that’s not what happened. the game came out with many glitches and bugs, long loading screens, lack of content, and most importantly for a RPG let alone just a FF game; lack of story.

We’re what? 3 weeks in and more info like this is starting to get out and more people are saying the same thing they said in the first 3 days of release after completing the game? Mind you, this is a FF game that’s completed in 2-3 days with minimal grinding, no speed running methods. Just people who want to play the game for it’s story first.

All in all, this game is a wreck. I’m not gonna sit here and make it seem like Nomura had it all figured out and he’s some type of gaming god that this game needed to be a hit. But I’m also not going to blindly make it seem like Square made the right choice of putting Tabata on, a man responsible for Crisis Core and Type-0, two portable titles where one just about already had made for it before him. I’m not gonna make it seem like Tabata was the one that saved XV and made it a success.

The way I see it is this people, Roberto is aware of the development hell the game underwent. He notes that the story kept changing 3 months and the dev team had to struggle with that. Roberto had said when it came HE CHOSE TO LEAVE WITH NOMURA. He’s now helping Nomura out with FF7R.

If Nomura was this sham of a director and had no clear vision on what he wanted from this game and you’re a artist working on his team while dedicating your time and creativity to doing your part for this game then why when it came time to decide did he go with Nomura and crew instead of staying and seeing and helping out with FFXV?

He clearly had the choice and you mean to sit here and tell me he’s just going to be that foolish and go with the man that screwed everyone over for 7 years before getting removed? No, he’s not. Because he knows that it wasn’t Nomuras fault with the way things were going and this is all on Square.

The fanbase for this game is split in two because one side blames Tabata and another side blame Nomura when in actuality the both of them took a hit because of high up decisions.

In the future if Square want action with the battle styles they should do the battle systems like Grandia 2 or Wild Arms 3 or Tales of the Abyss or DotHack GU. Mix in elements of action and character movement but with a set battle area and a camera that can’t be hindered by trees and rock or walls. Its time to stop trying to do everything other devs do and go back to what works. And just add slights changes to it to keep it up to date and if you wanna add new ideas and elements do that. But don’t reinvent the wheel and lose money before you even finish the game.

I like Nomura but I’m not gonna shit on Tabata. I just don’t like how he tells stories.

“I’m not gonna shit on Tabata. I just don’t like how he tells stories”

I think that’s a pretty good reason to shit on Tabata.
Death is a great plot point if done right, but a shitty and manipulative one if done wrong.

I would have much rather had the “cop out” considering how weak the rest of the story was. Instead, the game is just depressing for the sake of it (it doesn’t feel justified)

I’ve seen other posts/interviews with this guy. To me, it seems a bit unprofessional that he’s mentioning that some of his character designs weren’t accepted/were altered. He did that in an older interview too. It’s his job, and character designers get a NO brutally often even if they put their whole heart into the designs. It’s how the job works, you shouldn’t mention those things, it seems like you complain if you do so.

I don’t think it’s depressing for the sake of it.

His stories seem to center around human suffering being irrelevant to the greater cause of the gods. Technology versus magic, freedom without freedom, etc..

Think for him that overarching message is as important as the characters struggles. But it usually results in their death.

Yeah but square always tries to be a leader not a follower, for better or for worse.

FFXV is an experience all their own, even if theresclear western influence.

I was going to vote you up until “I love XV”

I do not concur nor endorse that opinion

Yeah, sure. Because Tabata definitely never had a rewrite…

I have my own thoughts about the situation the team was in during the 2013 period, and I imagine the story probably needed constant adjusting due to the position he was put in, rather than lacking any direction.

Exactly. Coz I’m a designer & I know what you mean.

He didn’t design Noctis’ clothes. A clothing company did

The post as it was on FB sounded like he meant from 2013. I imagine that was a big transitional period for them, so I can believe Nomura would be forced to make many changes

How do you come to that conclusion? lol

He’s all right, and I like what he’s done for XV, but being approved by Nomura doesn’t make his artistic style any more appealing to me personally. His artwork doesn’t have the feel of FFVII to me, and there’s something about his designs that comes off as odd and a little clumsy, though they translated well in-game for XV.

I like his point of view, I like what he’s done for XV, I’m just afraid that his work doesn’t fit well with FFVII. It’s hard to explain, but something about all of his concept art is really lackluster when compared to Nomura and Amano.

So sad….this guy took time to design these characters and they all just get thrown away as if they weren’t important. Aranea only gets like 5 minutes of screen time and shows that she is unimportant to the story, when everyone got hyped that there was a female Dragoon. Ravus, another character that had no screen time and thrown away as if he wasn’t important. Like I seriously cannot stand this game’s story telling and it is so unusual and awkward. Hopefully this doesn’t affect future Final Fantasy games.

Yup. One can only hope it gets better, Square seems to be much more sensible these days. I kind of dig new Square.

based on what? he only described some visual characteristics, not how much they would be involved in the plot lol

Konami ostracized a genius. Square Enix is ostracizing a hack. Big difference.

Judging from his Umbra comments, I am assuming the original character got split into Umbra and Nyx Ulric?

Retard alert!

Jep excatly!

Oh, Randy. I guess you’d know better than most…
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I’ve never blamed Tabata for anything I call
them the Square Enix higher ups that forceably
imposed this 2016 deadline… When It began as FFXV,
surely it should’ve been part of a new project.
Anyways, what’s done is done. I’m still hopeful
for the future of XV

Umbra being a ninja from Kingsglaive?
You’re kidding me
Episode Umbra please…. ðŸ˜�

The lack of professionalism in this is what bothers me.

He was employed to design for the company. It’s their content with which they can do what they will.

What? How are they even similar? So some of his designs were scrapped and rejected and suddenly Square is bad? You definitely have no idea how design approval works in the industry. Thousands of designs are always getting rejected and scrapped and all artists should know that and should accept that. Roberto was very unprofessional in this case.

Square Enix is ostracizing a hack.

Who is the hack and is he one?

I love you so much for being able to take a joke.

it’s the first time in history that I hear they have to patch up the story to fill the gaps….muhaha

It was done before with Kingdom Hearts with the Final Mix updates, except back then the patch used to be sold as a separate game.

I think tabata should just produce games for mobile phones…he just isn’t fit for story games..

But even that games delivered none was complaining

what? Could you phrase better your sentence? what did you mean?

Most people here can’t take much of anything. It hurts their delicate little feelings. You know, on the *inside.*

Failmura. He’s being moved from one project to another. Even the FF7 Remake, he’s got a co-director now who is more than likely to take over full time.

There’s also Motomu Toriyama lol. Yeah, you’re not seeing anything from him anytime soon. If ever. A mobile game at best is what all six of his fans can expect, IF the gods are unmerciful enough.

All aboard the FFXVI hype train?

Kingdom Hearts Final Mix wasn’t a patch to fill the gaps…they were additional cutscenes that only ADDED to the story which was already complete and even foreshadowed future games. Not cutscenes that COMPLETED the story.

His comments have nothing to do with your opinion on how the project was managed. The context to his words is literally, “boo hoo. My first drafts weren’t what the company had in mind for how the game should look. How dare they accuse my special art of being anything less than perfect. I am better than everyone. Boooooo hoooo.”

It was better than XV’s combat I’ll say that. I liked a lot of what Noctis could do but it was glitchy doing team attacks and fighting the camera.

Oh forgot about that. So Nomura designed Noctis’ face and body and the clothes are from a clothing line.

Pick your battles. How many times are they going to almost ruin themselves before they realize they need to balance how they make games. Look at Level 5’s Rogue Galaxy or Ni no Kuni. The look good, play well, are fun, and they didn’t break the bank being made nor did they take almost a decade to make. Square needs to figure out how to put out games in a reasonable way.

The summon scenes were some of the best in the game. But in most of his games other than certain parts of the story everything else feels rushed or flat out unexplained.

It’s unprofessional, but it’s nice to hear something that isn’t bullshit. I know creators don’t like to dwell on negatives, but if we don’t talk about them they don’t get improved. And let’s face it, development for FFXV was a shit show from start to finish, and it shows. We all already know how disorganized the production was, so it’s nice to hear he isn’t kissing their ass despite it.

Yup, you’re right. I say rushed in a sense that, they had all these ideas and concepts that weren’t fleshed out well and basically hand picked a bunch and tried to glue them together to try and make it make sense. They slapped it on a table and said, “Here is what we got, lets make this work so we can get this project overwith”

you’re telling them to play it safe but mimicking what other games do isn’t what sets Final Fantasy apart, and isn’t why people buy their games even if they’re not great.

They’ve always been about big budget high end games and thats why people like them and want them to succeed. The problem is management of those games. Somehow in the move to the ps3 they had no idea what to do with the power they had.

But there’s still something that they offer that no one else is doing which is japanese, high end, rpg gaming. It’s risky yeah, but a market they’re pretty much exclusive to. To me i think it’s a bigger risk to not take that route and be like everyone else.

What they need to do is stick with luminous engine for their high end games, no new game engines and such. Stick with unreal for everything else. And learn from their management mistakes of the past.

They’ve learned with FFXIV, they’ve suceeded in finishing FFXV and making a great game out of it. I think they’re on a good path.

i’m not talking about the summons, in the story of both kingsglaive and the game how the gods (and old kings) interact with humanity is a very strong message.

They don’t care who dies, they don’t care what city is destroyed, some of them genuinely want to destroy the world and others force noctis to prove himself worthy at the cost of untold numbers of lives. A few care sure but even those are complicit in human sacrifice and suffering, they only care about their objective being fulfilled. The only ones that ever show any concern for other human lives is other humans.

The king placed his son out of the kingdom at the gods will, and put the near the entirety of the crownsguard his personal army on the duty of evacuating the people. When nix put on the ring the old kings assumed he wanted to save the city and sentenced him to death but he expressed he only wanted serve the greater good. Only then did they help him but still demanded death.

There’s tons there to show this message, i agree it’s probably too subtle but it’s definitely there.

I’m not saying play it safe. I’m saying mix in new idea but also do the old ideas that are still practical.

In kingsglaive the old kings control the power of the Ring and they choose who weilds the rings power, they also stand in judgement at the final battle and deal the final blow. They hold influence over the world too to some degree with the “old wall” and appear in judgement at the final battle.

I think they may be a lesser form of God in conjunction with the crystal, but they do hold power. And to me their behavior is very much like the gods. I think this is also indicated by their weapons too, which also requires sacrifice to use.

No I think it’s more like,”I made some really cool developed characters that were really important to the story but they had to be cut from the game entirely.”

Not using designs or changing designs is one thing, but removing entire charters could be annoying.

I think his message is not that his designs were rejected but that completed and initially accepted characters relevant to the plot had to be cut entirely and that’s disappointing.

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Toriyama’s on the FF Committee and in BD1 aka Kitase’s studio aka the studio making VII Remake. Lol.

for those fucking on Nomura’s side
you try making a game with no team. where every teammeber could be pulled off to whatever the higher ups feel like, basically FINAL FANTASY XIII and 1.0 XIV

cool stuff about umbra.

Exactly!

Why does it make him less professional if he comments about him sounding like a douche?

I fully agree with you!

LOL I know right?
What we got was void of major plot devices/reasoning behind actions.
And I will be back to play it when the release a free update patch focussed
on either story or cutscenes.

It’s not clear whether Gentiana would have originally been the human form of Shiva.

I feel bad for Nomura, had no team for years. Then gets his team and they take it away, then move the game to next gen.

The Versus story was done, but they changed it after and were changing it till near the end. This can be confirmed by interviews with Nom and Tab.

That was after the Tabata takeover…Stop trolling, you arent even good at it.

I’m guessing from his tone, they didn’t pay him?

Square has to figure this out. I’ll say that much. If every game takes 9 or even 7 years to make, they won’t last much longer. And I won’t stick with them if they’re going to make product placement common place I can’t stick with them. I put my word on that. FF7R or not, I’ll ditch Square.

Hmm. That twist with Umbra would’ve been a bit much since we already have a “major character hiding in plain sight” twist.

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Oh… yeah, I did kinda miss that part 😛
Mostly I’m just want people to ignore this asshole.

More than likely, I imagine that was the implication, probably same with Luna.

Noctis went through the same king ritual Regis went through (finding all the tombs weapons) which is probably what that’s for. And there’s theories that the game subtly implies Luna became bahumut as part of the covenant (they have similar eyes).

Maybe he has the contract to enable him to do that. Most devs don’t talk about things because they’re by contact not allowed to.

Well the game was supposed to be a trilogy and Umbra having the ability to change from human to dog isn’t quite the major character hiding in plain sight. And even if it was, it would have just been the third character in the game to do so because Glauca was also the first one to do so

This is what I was thinking but I’m surprised he didn’t say that.

Umbra and Ardyn are the only two to defy/control time.
And even Gentiana to some extent, I need more coverage of everything

Maybe in future DLC they’ll expand on why things went down like that and ended like they did. Seems like other kings should’ve stopped Ardyn for good way before Noctis. But if they didn’t it must’ve meant they didn’t want to sacrifice themselves for the sake of the world and was just content erasing Ardyn from history and temporarily killing his body before his eventual resurrection. Where as Noctis said no to that endless spiral and sacrificed himself to end Regis for all time and save the world from all demons.

It damages his reputation and potential employment in high-profile projects. No game company wants someone who has been contracted talking about negative things behind the scenes – not that I believe that’s the case.

I don’t think that he’s under an NDA, but it’s still very unprofessional.

Yeah. His personality annoys me, but his art is freaking great. I looooved Nomura for years but haven’t seen a decent design or even art piece by him in years. Utada’s new album cover was really neat but then says he gave that to her years ago too. I hope Nomura can come back with some cool stuff but Roberto just has a nice style and is extremely detailed which i like.

It’s fan art of a latino Overwatch character. I don’t play Overwatch but I love the art.

Same, Noctis.

I won’t rest until your legacy is realised bruh!
We will not rest until the story patches start flooding in.

It just sucks how the direectors of Versus and of XV got screwed with so much.

That could be the case, you’re right.

But the story is not done yet, in their own words:
“The game’s director, Hajime Tabata, has said that the DLC will unlock
areas inaccessible in the original game. Furthermore, plans are in place
to add new cutscenes to the original campaign in an effort to expand
areas of the game that were shortened due to time constraints.”

They forced out a game that wasn’t done yet because of a contract
beyond Tabata’s control, from the SE higher ups. Either let it go & move on, or be patient.

I’m aware of the contract. I’m not blaming Tabtata for something like that even though I heard word from apparently another source that says the game could have came out in 2017. Although things could be lost in translation and that could have been more wishful thinking rather than saying it was an available option that was turned down.

The only thing I blame tabata for as a director was not correctly overseeing the parts of the game actually mattered and should have been fleshed out more. I am patient and I was for the past 10 years. The time that he was working on it should have been used to making sure the game came out as full as possible. Not something that’s incomplete this much. It shouldn’t be where they have to come out with cutscenes to fill needless voids or come out with DLC to do the same when that stuff should have been in their before. I don’t mind DLC/expansions and such. It’s just this is literally stuff that should be in the game and now we have to pay for it later.

It’s like cutting out the Aeriths death scene in FF7R and offering it later as a DLC episode.

All in all, the game is over. They can continue to add stuff back in but that doesn’t change the game from being over. Even if they patched in all the cut content it’s foolish you have to experience it all bit by bit. But that’s just me. All in all, it’s time for Square to move on. BD2 can keep updating XV but they need to set their eyes on the next numbered title and keep the ball rolling.

I’m actually glad he doesn’t really have free reign over FFVII…Aranea’s design is a little too much, i mean the helmet and the stands everywhere. it’s not terrible by any means but i’d rather not have FFVII characters change that much, his take on Biggs, Wedge, and Jesse so far is perfect, what ever directing they’re pushing him towards is perfect for the FFVII world. they don’t need much changed, just detail that wasn’t possible when the original came out is all.

“She (Aranea) hasn’t changed at all” Huh? then why is her thighs covered up now???? Bring back Versus XIII Aranea.

Sounds like a passionate dude that got stuck in the middle of a shitstorm. I love his artwork and his designs. Hopefully he goes on to do great work without having to deal with convoluted dev scenarios like XV’s

the director is stupid, versus concept is better than xv has

No he basically says:

“Nomura’s team didn’t do shit the whole time and got thrown out as the result”.

what ya think?

Wtf are you even trying to say, i don’t get a word