DWP Advisers 'stitching up claimants'

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Last week Iain Duncan Smith met a whistle-blower who has worked for his Department for Work and Pensions for more than 20 years.

Giving the Secretary of State a dossier of evidence, the former Jobcentre Plus adviser told him of a “brutal and bullying” culture of “setting claimants up to fail”.

“The pressure to sanction customers was constant,” he said. “It led to people being stitched-up on a daily basis.”

The man wishes to be anonymous but gave his details to IDS, DWP minister Esther McVey and Neil Couling, Head of Jobcentre Plus, who also attended the meeting.

“We were constantly told ‘agitate the customer’ and that ‘any engagement with the customer is an opportunity to *sanction’,” he told them.

Labour MP Debbie Abrahams, the member of the DWP Select Committee who set up the meeting, has renewed her call for an inquiry into inappropriate sanctioning.

“I am deeply concerned that sanctions are being used to create the illusion the Government is bringing down unemployment,” she said.

Yeah this is pretty much a pretty ****ty thing for people to do. What do you guy's think? Is it reasonable to leave people with no cash for the sake of "bringing unemployment figures down"?
I think this is an utter disgrace. I've known a few people on the dole who have been apparently victimized by mismanaged appointments and getting sanctions for not applying for jobs they're overqualified for.

Like I know a guy who was sanctioned because he didn't take a stockchecker job because he has a first class honors from Glasgow Uni and wanted a real job.

This is truly disgusting stuff from our Government.

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If you speak to JC staff they'll tell you that the whistleblower is just someone with an axe to grind. The Tories have created so much mess that there is a culture of blindlessness at the DWP that has even infiltrated JCs.

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doesn't matter who or what you are wether qualified or not they don't want to pay anyone anything.my son is disabled severed leg not off but very badly damaged and only 3 usable fingers on right hand where did they send him to do work first to freezer company to work in minus 20 which made his leg swell and he couldn't walk and then to do brick laying have u tried picking up bricks with 3 fingers its feckin hard to do so he failed at that as well. hes 40 and ready to give his neck and do himself in but do they care nope just told him its his choice if he don't do the work they stop his money grrrrr

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doesn't matter who or what you are wether qualified or not they don't want to pay anyone anything.my son is disabled severed leg not off but very badly damaged and only 3 usable fingers on right hand where did they send him to do work first to freezer company to work in minus 20 which made his leg swell and he couldn't walk and then to do brick laying have u tried picking up bricks with 3 fingers its feckin hard to do so he failed at that as well. hes 40 and ready to give his neck and do himself in but do they care nope just told him its his choice if he don't do the work they stop his money grrrrr

Why can't he claim disability?

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Why can't he claim disability?

Because to do that he would have to run the horrific degrading gauntlet that the DWP and ATOS have devised. He would have to wait a year for a payment IF he is lucky enough to be granted a payment.

Most people are outright rejected after such a long wait. They then have to wait as it goes through an appeal only for the courts to overturn the DWPs decision because they find that the claimant is infact disabled.

The courts have already found that the criteria and tests devised by the DWP are unfit for purpose and in breach of human rights but no one gives a ****.

The staff of ATOS have been caught several times deliberately falsifying medical reports because they get paid bonuses for kicking people off benefits. Look online in the right places and you'll find some pretty horrific stories. Evidence provided by GP's and specialists is disregarded. There have been cases were specialists (not GPs) have expressly stated that certain individuals are not fit for work nor are they to be harassed for reasons d to with mental health but all this is disregarded.

People who are suffering from severe mental illness such as poorly controlled schizophrenia etc are assessed by dental hygienists who's report is given far more weight than the opinion a consultant psychiatrist.

Are far as the coalition is concerned the sick and disabled need to be culled. That is all. Seriously, read up on it

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Are far as the coalition is concerned the sick and disabled need to be culled. That is all. Seriously, read up on it

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It's a dark time for everyone. Another step on the road to global fascism.

No one is doing anything either. It starts with the disabled, but it'll get worse and worse, until eventually, economic worth to the global elite is the only thing keeping you alive and once you turn disabled you'll be exterminated in the workhouse. Once that candle burns out, others will follow, until eventually, we're all extinguished.

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Why can't he claim disability?

Because if you can put on a hat you are considered fit for work these days.

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Because to do that he would have to run the horrific degrading gauntlet that the DWP and ATOS have devised. He would have to wait a year for a payment IF he is lucky enough to be granted a payment.

Most people are outright rejected after such a long wait. They then have to wait as it goes through an appeal only for the courts to overturn the DWPs decision because they find that the claimant is infact disabled.

The courts have already found that the criteria and tests devised by the DWP are unfit for purpose and in breach of human rights but no one gives a ****.

The staff of ATOS have been caught several times deliberately falsifying medical reports because they get paid bonuses for kicking people off benefits. Look online in the right places and you'll find some pretty horrific stories. Evidence provided by GP's and specialists is disregarded. There have been cases were specialists (not GPs) have expressly stated that certain individuals are not fit for work nor are they to be harassed for reasons d to with mental health but all this is disregarded.

People who are suffering from severe mental illness such as poorly controlled schizophrenia etc are assessed by dental hygienists who's report is given far more weight than the opinion a consultant psychiatrist.

Are far as the coalition is concerned the sick and disabled need to be culled. That is all. Seriously, read up on it

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I've got schizophrenia and am about to get an assessment for DLA...I have almost no money. I'm posting this from my mum and dad's house, but they're getting pretty sick of me...scared man

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Like I know a guy who was sanctioned because he didn't take a stockchecker job because he has a first class honors from Glasgow Uni and wanted a real job.

Seems fair enough. Why should my money be taken from hard working people and given to a graduate who's declining jobs until they find a job that lives up to their standards?

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Seems fair enough. Why should my money be taken from hard working people and given to a graduate who's declining jobs until they find a job that lives up to their standards?

Because

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Seems fair enough. Why should my money be taken from hard working people and given to a graduate who's declining jobs until they find a job that lives up to their standards?

How is money being taken from hard working people?

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How is money being taken from hard working people?

Tax.

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Tax.

What? Somebody else will take the job instead of him. The amount of benefit paid and tax income from the job is the same.

Try thinking before making silly statements.

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What? Somebody else will take the job instead of him. The amount of benefit paid and tax income from the job is the same.

Try thinking before making silly statements.

But this stance completely takes personal responsibility off anyone to take jobs they don't like - 'oh, it's okay - someone else will take the job, and if I took it then there will only be someone else on benefits'.

Hardly the point, is it? He had a chance to take a job and contribute to the economy (and Government coffers) while conducting his job search, and instead chose to spend his time job searching on his arse depleting those coffers.

There's nothing like a **** job to motivate you to find a better one.

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What? Somebody else will take the job instead of him. The amount of benefit paid and tax income from the job is the same.

Try thinking before making silly statements.

It's not that, it's the fact that we're paying someone who's supposed to be down to the breadline, relying on the state to support them until they're able to find work, who then turns down a perfectly acceptable job.

Yes, in reality someone else will probably take the job eventually, but in my opinion it's a misuse of the system. People claiming jobseekers allowance shouldn't be given it if they turn down work that they can do.

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(Original post by Gjaykay)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...b-says-3537051

Yeah this is pretty much a pretty ****ty thing for people to do. What do you guy's think? Is it reasonable to leave people with no cash for the sake of "bringing unemployment figures down"?
I think this is an utter disgrace. I've known a few people on the dole who have been apparently victimized by mismanaged appointments and getting sanctions for not applying for jobs they're overqualified for.

Like I know a guy who was sanctioned because he didn't take a stockchecker job because he has a first class honors from Glasgow Uni and wanted a real job.

This is truly disgusting stuff from our Government.

It's much much worse than university students being forced to apply for crappy jobs. The job centre routinely invent sanctions for meetings which never happened in order to meet sanction targets.

The worst thing is IDS has destroyed the competence of the DWP by removing anyone who actually understands the challenges facing the system at the top level. So a Labour government will not be able to quickly reverse the backlog of ESA claims where claimants are waiting 10 months without money to get a decision on their claim then another year or two to negotiate the appeals process.

Of course none of the mainstream media will report on this, even on the Guardian site DWP stories are very quickly bumped off the front page.

I await the day when IDS, McVey and Freud are tried at the Hague for crimes against humanity. It is up to us to ensure all the lives and minds lost to these foul benefit reforms were not lost in vain.

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Seems fair enough. Why should my money be taken from hard working people and given to a graduate who's declining jobs until they find a job that lives up to their standards?

Over his term IDS has spent more on his reforms - failed IT projects, bungs to corporations for participating in workfare, billions paid to private companies like ATOS - than he has on the benefits he is trying to reduce. Get educated and stand up to this fascism.

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Over his term IDS has spent more on his reforms - failed IT projects, bungs to corporations for participating in workfare, billions paid to private companies like ATOS - than he has on the benefits he is trying to reduce. Get educated and stand up to this fascism.

IDS claims £37 a day for breakfast.

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well its been 3 weeks this week with no money for my son and they still cant find any appointments that he has missed. had to get intouch with his dr as he wants to just end his life said he cant go for days with no food and be expected to go to work shops and do brick laying for 8hrs with no food inside him hes exausted now can hardly walk due to his leg swelling and hes already dropped a brick on his foot as 3 fingers isnt enough to pick up bricks with. but do they care nope. they were happy with him when he was working and paying his taxes but not now. he cant sleep hes so hungrey and yes i do send him money to get bits but i dont earn much and keep my 93 yr old mom as well so its causing us all to suffer over 2000 people have already killed their selves because of this. a guy few months ago was found dead 58 and weighin 5stone they stopped his money for being late and 2nd time is anything up to 6months. when the police broke into his flat he had starved to death he didnt have familly to turn to and food banks you need a letter and then you only get food for 3 days every few months, hardship fund isnt given to anyone what has this country come to we are now a third world country its disgusting. when i get to old and have to beg like my son i to will end it all. what a thing to have to think about before going to bed will i eat tomorrow or not???

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(Original post by Gjaykay)
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Yeah this is pretty much a pretty ****ty thing for people to do. What do you guy's think? Is it reasonable to leave people with no cash for the sake of "bringing unemployment figures down"?
I think this is an utter disgrace. I've known a few people on the dole who have been apparently victimized by mismanaged appointments and getting sanctions for not applying for jobs they're overqualified for.

Like I know a guy who was sanctioned because he didn't take a stockchecker job because he has a first class honors from Glasgow Uni and wanted a real job.

This is truly disgusting stuff from our Government.

While I support certain measures to curtail the welfare budget, this does not surprise me and I agree that IDS is one of the most incompetent secretaries of state we've ever had.

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