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Ivo Shandor [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
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Do you want 5G vaccine cancer? Because that's how you get 5G vaccine cancer.
 
Aquapope  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
If there was a tower with a little bitty fence like that near me when I was a kid, I would have jumped the fence and tried to climb the tower.  And apparently I would have burned my fingers off.  Yikes.  I didn't know the whole tower was electrified.  That doesn't seem right.
 
Russ1642  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
Remind us all again how shiatty AM radio is.
 
shabu  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
And the first song he played was a long forgotten classic!
Elvis Presley - Hot Dog
Youtube mUX6meSPphQ
 
Lochsteppe  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
It's already having been going to be done:

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SansNeural  
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‘’ 1 day ago  

Aquapope: Yikes. I didn't know the whole tower was electrified.


Only towers for AM broadcast use the tower as the antenna.  They don't *have* to be that way, but it's probably the most efficient form - cost wise.

It's mostly about wavelength. AM broadcast band wavelengths range from about 555 meters (540 kHz) long to 176 meters (1.7 MHz).  To have a grounded tower with isolated transmitting elements attached to it and up in the air would be physically cumbersome.  So they use the tower as the active element and "tune" it (to resonance) by making the tower some fraction of the transmit wavelength.

If they want to make it directional, they'll have two towers with the feedline to the second tower *just* the right length to make a simple "phased array" that forms the transmitted field in the desired direction.
 
SansNeural  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
Re: directional transmitting and phased arrays...

these days MIMO (multiple in - multiple out) antennas providing "beam forming" tech in WiFi routers seems like new and amazing technology, but it's been in use in AM broadcast and "short wave" transmitting for a long, long time.

The modern technical capability difference is rapidly / electronically changing the antenna phasing to steer the radio wave "beams" in real time.  In old AM broadcast the directionality or "steering" is mainly accomplished by tuning the feedline lengths (to have the signal arrive at each antenna at a different "phase").

They can and probably do also steer the beam (change the phase) with giant, high power inductors in the feedline, but generally a radio station just needs to steer clear of another radio station's footprint (on the same frequency).

"Clear Channel" AM broadcast stations have a license that basically lets them have sole use their transmit frequency.  But any stations that share a frequency with another must either steer their signal clear of each other or just reduce their transmit power *way* down, especially at night when skip kicks in.

Semi-local to me radio station WKY is a good example.  From the wiki page, they transmit at 5000W in the day on a single tower, then drop to 510W at night to avoid stepping on other stations elsewhere.
 
tintar [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
this is the next new BDSM fad isn't it o_O
 
‘’ 1 day ago  

Russ1642: Remind us all again how shiatty AM radio is.


The only good thing about that hot dog is that it turns off under bridges....
 
SansNeural  
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‘’ 1 day ago  

Ragin' Asian: Do you want 5G vaccine cancer? Because that's how you get 5G vaccine cancer.



I disagree.  I suspect touching that tower will cure* any cancer you have.


* or at least you won't be in a position to notice any cancer
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
Not sure what radio waves get emitted with this, but it's a 60 HZ ozone generator.

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th0rr  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
Nice to see Merrick Garland has a hobby...
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
Hotdog as a detector diode.

Nice.
 
SansNeural  
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‘’ 1 day ago  

th0rr: Nice to see Merrick Garland has a hobby...


That's whats-his-name Geerling's dad.  His dad was in the broadcast radio field for most of his career.
 
b0rg9  
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Destructor [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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FM works better.

You see, max power output with AM is about 40%. FM is always 100% since the amplitude is always the same; only the frequency changes.

If you like to know more, find your local ham radio club.

Some serve hotdogs.
 
‘’ 1 day ago  

Destructor: FM works better.

You see, max power output with AM is about 40%. FM is always 100% since the amplitude is always the same; only the frequency changes.

If you like to know more, find your local ham radio club.

Some serve hotdogs.


Sounds like AM is 60% more power-efficient. Why waste the energy?

And shouldn't they be serving hamburgers instead of hotdogs?
 
SansNeural  
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‘’ 1 day ago  

Ivo Shandor: Destructor: FM works better.

You see, max power output with AM is about 40%. FM is always 100% since the amplitude is always the same; only the frequency changes.

If you like to know more, find your local ham radio club.

Some serve hotdogs.

Sounds like AM is 60% more power-efficient. Why waste the energy?

And shouldn't they be serving hamburgers instead of hotdogs?


SSB (single side band) is more efficient yet.  The signal is only present when modulation (voice, etc) is present.  No carrier at all.
 
SansNeural  
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‘’ 1 day ago  
... and cold pizza is generally less messy and easier to handle while holding a microphone or messing with antenna ;)
 
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Destructor: FM works better.

You see, max power output with AM is about 40%. FM is always 100% since the amplitude is always the same; only the frequency changes.

If you like to know more, find your local ham radio club.

Some serve hotdogs.


WHY DONT THEY SERV HAM??  WHYEEEE?????
 
‘’ 1 day ago  
Can it play Doom?
 
Destructor [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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‘’ 1 day ago  

Ivo Shandor: Destructor: FM works better.

You see, max power output with AM is about 40%. FM is always 100% since the amplitude is always the same; only the frequency changes.

If you like to know more, find your local ham radio club.

Some serve hotdogs.

Sounds like AM is 60% more power-efficient. Why waste the energy?

And shouldn't they be serving hamburgers instead of hotdogs?


Because AM radio tastes terrible.

SansNeural: SSB (single side band) is more efficient yet. The signal is only present when modulation (voice, etc) is present. No carrier at all.


Upper or Lower? Both tastes terrible. SSB at AM frequencies isn't really doable (spectrum considerations)... which is why FM starts around 90 Megacycles. SSB is great right there.... But not for music.

/Yeah megacycles. Hertz is taking the weekend off.
 
Destructor [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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markie_farkie: Destructor: FM works better.

You see, max power output with AM is about 40%. FM is always 100% since the amplitude is always the same; only the frequency changes.

If you like to know more, find your local ham radio club.

Some serve hotdogs.

WHY DONT THEY SERV HAM??  WHYEEEE?????


Cannibalism is illegal, citizen.
 
FigPucker [BareFark]  
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‘’ 22 hours ago  

markie_farkie: Not sure what radio waves get emitted with this, but it's a 60 HZ ozone generator.

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When you tune it to 50 HZ and double the voltage, the you really got somethin' going!

Turbo charging a 120V Presto hot dogger on 250V.
Youtube n2ZZbuOeNmw
 
‘’ 22 hours ago  
Some very dumb guys trying the same thing a few years back in Russia with more pain:

Listening radio with grass
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‘’ 22 hours ago  
I'm waiting for the additional Sports/Entertainment parlays where it can be used to program and control Phil Kessel into assassinating King Charles.
 
yuthinasia  
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‘’ 22 hours ago  
Wiener tag fail
 
SansNeural  
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‘’ 21 hours ago  
Destructor:

If you like to know more, find your local ham radio club.

Are you a ham?

I'm president of our local club, elected last year.  As I suspected, the position comes as 10 year minimum sentence - for the willing candidate, of course ;)

I also feel like I'm partially responsible for getting the local University's club (W5YJ) going again.  It's license history is almost as old as WKY's (mentioned upthread).  The club was first licensed in the early '20s as 5YJ, then W5YJ when the Feds realized radio was going to be a big thing.

There are several difficulties in keeping that club active these days.  One is the requirement for a Faculty sponsor and another is a minimum student membership count.  It seems like both faculty and (especially engineering) students feel like they're too busy for clubs these days.

I think I helped get the W5YJ club restarted by pouncing on a EE faculty member when he joined our non-University club and got his license in 2021.  He was totally unaware that W5YJ had ever existed.  Now he's begun evangelizing to his students - he teaches RF fields, a natural.  He even coerced a few to come to our Winter Field Day for extra credit ;)

A maybe sad thing is W5YJ (the club and equipment) used to be housed in the top floor of Engineering South from the building's first day.  It was recently remodeled without anyone in charge being aware of the club's history with the building.  The only potential good news is that while everything else was changed, the top floor has not been built out or assigned a specific purpose.

Note the towers (with invisible wires between them) on the roof:

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SansNeural: Ragin' Asian: Do you want 5G vaccine cancer? Because that's how you get 5G vaccine cancer.


I disagree.  I suspect touching that tower will cure* any cancer you have.


* or at least you won't be in a position to notice any cancer


You tried that "touching the tower" game with me before. Never again.
 
SansNeural  
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‘’ 21 hours ago  

Ragin' Asian: SansNeural: Ragin' Asian: Do you want 5G vaccine cancer? Because that's how you get 5G vaccine cancer.


I disagree.  I suspect touching that tower will cure* any cancer you have.


* or at least you won't be in a position to notice any cancer

You tried that "touching the tower" game with me before. Never again.


Oh, come on.  That was just a *little* infection, not cancer!
 
kpaxoid  
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‘’ 21 hours ago  
When I played recreational soccer, occasionally we would have to play on fields over which there were high tension wires.  Teammates were amazed when I showed them that they would experience an electric shock when touching a metal goal post with a thin-skinned part of the body, like the inner wrist.

The strength of the shock varied with the current load.  Hot day with all AC units running: big.  Cool day: not so much.

I haven't done any research on this, but I wouldn't want to stand next to an AM transmitting tower for an extended length of time.
 
Destructor [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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‘’ 21 hours ago  

SansNeural: Are you a ham?


Yes. General (w/code)

I used to hang out with the KB9I / McHenry club guys. "memories...."

SansNeural: I think I helped get the W5YJ club restarted by pouncing on a EE faculty member when he joined our non-University club and got his license in 2021. He was totally unaware that W5YJ had ever existed. Now he's begun evangelizing to his students - he teaches RF fields, a natural. He even coerced a few to come to our Winter Field Day for extra credit ;)


You rescued a 1x2! Congrats!!! Those are a very real part of radio history.

Those towers are awesome.
 
‘’ 20 hours ago  

Ivo Shandor: Sounds like AM is 60% more power-efficient. Why waste the energy?


AM is actually really bad...you have two side bands, each carries the same information so one is redundant. Two thirds of the broadcast power goes into the carrier, so really, one sixth - 16% - of the power is being used to carry signal. It does have the advantage that it is easy to tune - you have the carrier to lock onto.

Single Side Band with Suppressed Carrier dumps the carrier and one of the sidebands, and puts all the energy into the other. Good - much more signal power from the transmit power, and since you only have one sideband, the bandwidth required is much less. You can do clear voice with less than 3KHz worth of bandwidth - Broadcast AM in the US uses 10KHz channels, broadcast FM uses 200KHz channels. Bad - harder to tune and you need to be able to create the carrier in the receiver to properly demodulate the signal, and of course if you're squeezing down the bandwidth, you're going to lose frequency response, but voice is often filtered to 300-3KHz.

This is also why FM radio sounds better for music. You've got barely 5KHz of bandwidth on the audio signal on standard AM, FM can handle 20-18KHz, and there's a VERY sharp filter at 18.1KHz, because to indicate the broadcast is FM Stereo, there's a pilot tone at 19KHz. If your radio "hears" that, it knows there's another signal higher up (23-53KHz) that has the information needed to turn the mono signal at 0-18KHz into two stereo channels. Plus, since it's always broadcasting at full power (unlike AM) it's much more resistant to noise.
 
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I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Ivo Shandor: Sounds like AM is 60% more power-efficient. Why waste the energy?

AM is actually really bad...you have two side bands, each carries the same information so one is redundant. Two thirds of the broadcast power goes into the carrier, so really, one sixth - 16% - of the power is being used to carry signal. It does have the advantage that it is easy to tune - you have the carrier to lock onto.

Single Side Band with Suppressed Carrier dumps the carrier and one of the sidebands, and puts all the energy into the other. Good - much more signal power from the transmit power, and since you only have one sideband, the bandwidth required is much less. You can do clear voice with less than 3KHz worth of bandwidth - Broadcast AM in the US uses 10KHz channels, broadcast FM uses 200KHz channels. Bad - harder to tune and you need to be able to create the carrier in the receiver to properly demodulate the signal, and of course if you're squeezing down the bandwidth, you're going to lose frequency response, but voice is often filtered to 300-3KHz.

This is also why FM radio sounds better for music. You've got barely 5KHz of bandwidth on the audio signal on standard AM, FM can handle 20-18KHz, and there's a VERY sharp filter at 18.1KHz, because to indicate the broadcast is FM Stereo, there's a pilot tone at 19KHz. If your radio "hears" that, it knows there's another signal higher up (23-53KHz) that has the information needed to turn the mono signal at 0-18KHz into two stereo channels. Plus, since it's always broadcasting at full power (unlike AM) it's much more resistant to noise.


Which is why HD AM and HD FM now exist.
 
Destructor [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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Someone has an extra class ticket... :-)
 
Destructor [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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There are at least 3 hams here. I think. Surprise ham thread?
 
brachiopod [TotalFark]  
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‘’ 19 hours ago  

Destructor: There are at least 3 hams here. I think. Surprise ham thread?


Pretty soon we'll begin debating the merits of Zepps and using a straight key while mobile.
 
SansNeural  
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‘’ 18 hours ago  

brachiopod: Destructor: There are at least 3 hams here. I think. Surprise ham thread?

Pretty soon we'll begin debating the merits of Zepps and using a straight key while mobile.


Can we talk about HOAs too?  I'm in one, but I've got my stupidly tall, pointy and otherwise empty attic stuffed with antennae ;)
 
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Destructor: There are at least 3 hams here. I think. Surprise ham thread?


Someone here has all the fark hams listed in their profile. There are way more than you would think. A couple dozen, IIRC.
 
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