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Thousands of Rubber Ducks to Finally End Journey
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Zonk
on Mon Jul 02, 2007 05:10 AM
from the born-free-as-free-as-the-wind-blows dept.
from the born-free-as-free-as-the-wind-blows dept.
Bert de Jong writes "The Daily Mail reports that thousands of rubber ducks who have traveled the seas of the world since 1992 are about to end their journey. After escaping out of a container fallen off a Chinese freight ship in a storm, scientists have been followed them on their fifteen year trek. This has turned out to be an invaluable source of information for studying ocean currents. Now it seems inevitable though that they will finally land on the shores of South-West England. '[Oceanographer Curtis Ebbesmeyer] correctly predicted what many thought was impossible - that thousands of them would end up washed into the Arctic ice near Alaska, and then move at a mile a day, frozen in the pack ice, around their very own North-West Passage to the Atlantic. It proved true years later and in 2003, the first Friendly Floatees were found, frozen and then thawed out, on the eastern seaboard of the U.S. and Canada. So precious to science are they that the US firm that made them is offering a £50 bounty for finding one.'"
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The Wall Street Journal has a look at global warming research using rubber duckies. The toys have been employed in tracking ocean currents since 1992; but recently NASA robotics expert Alberto Behar released 90 yellow rubber ducks into the melt water flowing down a chasm in a Greenland glacier. "Each duck was imprinted with an email address and, in three languages, the offer of a reward. If all goes well, Dr. Behar hopes that one day they will emerge 30 miles or so away at the glacier's edge in the open water of Disko Bay near Ilulissat, bobbing brightly amid the icebergs north of the Arctic Circle, each one a significant clue to just how warming temperatures may speed the glacier's slide to the sea."
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How can they identify one ducky from another? (Score:5, Funny)
1) Goto shop and purchase large amounts of rubber duckies
2) Emerse them in water and ice for a few years and so
3) Sell them to this company for 50 pounds each
4) Profit!
More seriously, maybe scientists should be getting more brightly coloured floating objects and chucking them in the sea at various points. What about red for Russia (two types, one for each coast), yellow for (no I won't go there...) and various other colours for other countries.
A great way to learn more about ocean currents.
But they would get into trouble with (some) environmentalists, maybe they need to just "accidentally" knock a few more crates overboard?
Re:How can they identify one ducky from another? (Score:5, Insightful)
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Of course, oceanographers already do this sort of thing, though not on such a large scale (with so many objects I mean). And of course, they use modern technology, including satellites (See for example http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/oceans/drifters
In that post I was aiming for a "funny" moderation, yet it seems that there are some unamused moderators who think it is redundant
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Dilution is the solution to pollution.
In fact, in some municipalities, waste into the sewer system is allowed below a certain concentration, but get above that concentration and get fined. So you can (and some do) simply add water when dumping stuff down the drain. Environmentally this makes little sense as it's the same amount of "bad stuff" going down the drain, but in the allowed case you're also "wasting" lots of water. (this ignores the iss
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WTF do you think happens to shit put in the ocean? It DILUTES! It DILUTES so freaking great that now Tuna is full of Mercury and orcas (killer whales) are going nuts because of the DILUTED pollutants.
The "dilution factor" works only if you have insignificant amount of pollution. Not cubic miles of shit dumped all over the place.
Thank you, but your kind of thinking is why there is 10 TIMES as much plastic in the ocean than algae and phytoplan
Taking a blind dump? (Score:5, Insightful)
Oh, and if you 'carefully dilute' something into the ocean by what process do you propose that you keep it from becoming undiluted? Life forms are the most efficient way to aggregate dilute substances.
Actually this is one of the dumbest, "If I can't see anything it must not be happening" suggestions I have ever heard.
THINK! Did it work for landfills? 'But we did such a good job of hiding it under the dirt and I can't see it there!' (Of course my well is contaminated now and I have to pipe water in...)
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Re:Moby Dick doesn't have an outhouse (Score:4, Funny)
A. The water closet!
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BASIC Strikes Again! (Score:3, Funny)
Wow, old habits die hard. GOTO? How about: ...
10 LET STEP1$ = "Go to shop and purchase large amounts of rubber duckies
20 LET STEP2$ = "Emerse them in water and ice for a few years and so"
30 LET STEP3$ = "Sell them to this company for 50 pounds each"
40 GOTO 1000
1000 REM Profit Routine
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this will eventually turn into a pixar movie. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:this will eventually turn into a pixar movie. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:this will eventually turn into a pixar movie. (Score:5, Funny)
I think you mean a duckumentary...
(I thank you, I thank you. Don't forget to tip your waitresses, etc.)
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Re:this will eventually turn into a pixar movie. (Score:5, Funny)
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Re:this will eventually turn into a pixar movie. (Score:5, Funny)
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ralph wiggum (Score:3, Funny)
£50 bounty, for a duck? (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a pretty cool story though (shock, someone actually read TFA). I'm sure that we've learned a lot more about oceanic patterns from those plastic toys than we have from a lot of other (more expensive) methods employed in the past.
Re:£50 bounty, for a duck? (Score:5, Funny)
Who wants to go to an Artic Expedition, we're mining ducks....
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Re:£50 bounty, for a duck? (Score:5, Funny)
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1. Train ticket to West Country 2.Profit!! (Score:4, Interesting)
1. Train ticket to West Country
2. Beach scavenge
3. Profit!!
This will be more fun than when the Napoli [wikipedia.org] beached off Branscombe! Easier to sneak plastic ducks off the beach than BMW motorbikes....
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Please return to your campsites and ice cream shops and await further orders.
This is actually interesting... (Score:5, Interesting)
However, given the way the climate change deniers have been trying to rubbish oceanographers and meteorologists because of their agreement on inconvenient data, the fact that this guy predicted something as counter intuitive as the ducks traveling through a North-west passage in pack ice should give pause for thought.
When even people like Dyson try and rubbish climatologists (presumably because he wants unrestricted space travel and they are warning that this is impossible without doing severe damage to the Earth) this sort of thing reminds us of just (1) how much these people know and (2) what a lot they still want to learn, while their opponents seem to rely on soundbites and dodgy statistics rather than science.
Re:This is actually interesting... (Score:4, Funny)
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Re:This is actually interesting... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Re:This is actually interesting... (Score:5, Funny)
Talk about giving everybody the worst possible guide of everyday British life...
That's ok, it's not like we American's [wikipedia.org] don't [nypost.com] have [wikipedia.org] anything [britneyspears.com] to [wikipedia.org] be [foxnews.com] embarrassed [wikipedia.org] about either ;)
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1998 was exceptionally hot, but the trend still... (Score:3, Informative)
The global warming scare suffers from the fact that the world has been cooling ever since 1998.
Take a look at this graph. [nasa.gov]. It is true that 1998 was exceptionally hot, but the trend looks increasing to me. It even looks as if 1998 wasn't a record year, with some year 200Ox being a bit hotter, though the text of the article [nasa.gov] says it is a draw within the error bars. Also, according to the article 1998 was a El Nino year, while 2005 wasn't... had it been, it would have been even warmer.
Do you have other facts to share? ;p
Welcome (Score:4, Funny)
As an inhabitant of South West England (Score:5, Funny)
Yes, replacing the Council with faded yellow Chinese rubber ducks might actually be an improvement.
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Harper's article on the floatees (Score:5, Informative)
Also, if you're interested in this stuff, you might want to check out Ebbesmeyer's website and newsletter about beachcombing: http://beachcombersalert.org/ [beachcombersalert.org]
New Scientists take on this press release (Score:5, Informative)
So here is the link to a more sensible website:
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn121
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Re:New Scientists take on this press release (Score:4, Funny)
So here is the link to a more sensible website:
http://environment.newscientist.com/article/dn121
You might be a paleneck if:
You complain about pics of scantily-clad babes distracting you from the article about frozen rubber duckies.
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Re:Harper's article on the floatees (Score:5, Interesting)
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/28/doomed_du
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Wanna bet? (Score:3, Funny)
Rubber Ducky, you're the one (Score:2, Insightful)
Ebb (Score:3, Interesting)
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Cunning plan (Score:2)
You be seeing them on eBay soon, though, since they were also washed overboard it's not entirely clear where I be pickin them up yet.
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Old News (Score:4, Informative)
In late May of 1990, the container vessel Hansa Carrier encountered a severe storm in the north Pacific Ocean (~48N, 161W) on its passage from Korea to the United States. During the storm, a large wave washed twenty-one shipping containers overboard. Five of these 20-metre containers held a shipment of approximately 80,000 Nike shoes ranging from children's shoes to large hiking boots. It has been estimated that four of the five containers opened into the stormy waters, releasing over 60,000 shoes into the north Pacific Ocean.
Convoy (Score:5, Funny)
Scary thing was "Convoy" had a B-side. Imagine how bad that must've been.
So this is how it ends *sniff* (Score:5, Funny)
Next up: Lava Ducks (Score:4, Interesting)
Of course, you'd have to wait a bit longer than 4 years for them to pop up at their destination...
Chip H.
Google Earth/Maps (Score:3, Funny)
BBC Radio Documentary From 2006 (Score:3, Informative)
Now, another view.... (Score:3, Insightful)
Or, let's put the question in another perspective : Given the fact that we aren't perfectly sure how to predict climate and that rubber duckies still have something to teach us, will you take the risk to continue dumping into the atmosphere massive amount of CO2 - that wasn't there before in a recent time-scale ?
Are you ready to gamble that we won't encounter any problem ?
Isn't it best to decide that, becau
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Thank you AC for pointing out that people who don't know what they are talking about should be ignored. Just because there are not a lot of blinking lights does not mean that you're collecting bad data. I think / f
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We're in duck mode here.