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[–]iowahoneybadger 2211 points2212 points  (155 children)

"I'd rather do that than hit her" broke my damn heart how good of a guy he sounds like and she's just standing back there smiling like a fucking fuck

[–]DarkangelUK 1081 points1082 points  (82 children)

Even worse she's fucking nodding in agreement when he says she gave him black eyes, bloody lips and hitting him and she's smiling the whole time... horrible person.

[–]DwayneFrogsky 194 points195 points  (1 child)

Well you know that if he hits her once everything she did won't matter. He's a woman beater from that day on.

[–]semiosyne [score hidden]  (1 child)

That woman was an abomination. If the tables were turned and she were the victim, the guy would be under investigation or even charged with abuse. Instead there she is, looking smugly at the camera and no one bats an eye.

[–]Bran_Solo 2890 points2891 points  (144 children)

GOOD. This is some serious shit.

A good friend of mine started dating a woman who always seemed a little off, but after they eloped randomly one day she turned violent. On many occasions she beat the hell out of him, threatened him with a knife, and threatened injury to herself. Because a man can't hit a woman, he would do his best to run away or just cower and take it, instead of fighting back. He had to conceal injuries, and lie about the ones he couldn't conceal.

One time she started choking him and when he started blacking out he panicked and shoved her. She called the police and he spent the night in jail.

Gender norms really work against men in this situation. Nobody takes the man seriously, nobody. The police didn't believe him, social services didn't believe him, when divorce proceedings began nobody believed him. Battered women suffer through a lot of shame already, imagine being in a position where nobody believes you or is on your side, and you're simultaneously unable to defend yourself and humiliated for not defending yourself.

[–]SluggaSlamoo 694 points695 points  (49 children)

The biggest reason for this mentality is that people see men as stronger than women and should be able to defend themselves. For example I see a lot of redditors harp on about how easy it would be for a man to beat a woman in a fight just because of genetics.

In an isolated scenario this is somewhat true (there's plenty of real life examples of trained girls beating the crap out of a guy but I won't debate it here), what people don't realise is that while the man can protect himself against a woman, he can't protect himself against the police and the courts. This gives women free reign to do whatever they want because they moment the man puts a hand on her he gets his ass thrown in jail.

People don't realise how much easier it is to hurt someone when they can't do anything at all to protect themselves. If you could use your hands to protect yourself, you may only get hit once or twice, and diffuse the impacts any kind of attacks. Also realise that guys aren't thinking clearly about self-defense law in this kind of situation.

Physical abuse becomes extremely brutal when you just have to sit there and take repeated punishment, a 110lb girl has the potential to murder a 175lb man if he's just sitting there taking abuse. Let alone using some sort of blunt weapon, even if she was just kicking the guy. There was a scandal where a woman was sent to jail for beating up homeless people on tape to upload on a fetish website, the person who sued had received very bad head trauma. The woman was tiny and literally knocked a guy out and bloodied his teeth with one kick. In domestic abuse, it doesn't stop there, the violence is perpetual and very dangerous.

People don't realise how stark the difference is between the two, and perpetuating the myth than men can always defend themselves against women is part of the problem.

[–]Brokenthrowaway247 483 points484 points  (20 children)

My mum is an extremly violent woman, the last time we spoke to her and she had an outburst me and my sister (both adults over 6 ft) couldnt for the life of us restrain my 5 ft 5 mum. When someone is going absolutely berserk, biting scratching punching, trying to smash you with glass, stab you etc and all you can do is try hold them still its just not possible and people dont seem to fucking understand this. It doesnt matter how big you are or how small they are, when someone is going mental they have strength far greater than they would normally be capable of.

The police even witnessed her throw a stool at me as she walked in the door, and then she attacked both the officers as they tried to put her in the car and she still wasnt charged. She has since attacked my stepdad with a baseball bat which he recorded, she didnt get charged. They broke up, she got with another guy who was in the army, she attacked him multiple times, army paid for his lawyers etc because they noticed him constantly showing up on base injured, still didnt get charged.

At this point I feel like this woman could murder someone and get away with it. She leaves a path of destruction everywhere she goes and continually gets off scott free

[–]RikenVorkovin 174 points175 points  (2 children)

Sounds like a woman who was a serial abuser. she would exploit/live off a wealthy man for awhile. and when they realized she didn't love them and wanted to break up she'd call the police and claim all sorts of bullshit. get them thrown in jail, take them to trial for assets.

then she'd simply go find another guy to exploit.

[–]Brokenthrowaway247 90 points91 points  (0 children)

Fucking spot on, down to a tee

[–]lacanelita 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Is so sad you had a mum like that,but is good you survive her and know the difference between whats right and wrong. I had myself a mum also very abusive and violent,she is also very small,but she just can become very strong when she is mad,I mean really strong! I guess is because such psychos just loose totally the control when they are mad and they don't seem to care between the difference of hurt and kill. A normal person instead is allways worry to defend himself but not kill or hurt much somebody. My grandmother was also a very violent woman. People should learnt thats is more common than you think. Thats why I allways advice my brother and nephew to put attention on warning signs of violence character on his girlfriends,and just cut of the relation inmeadiatly.

[–]bettywhitefleshlight 54 points55 points  (2 children)

Guy who used to hang around us once in a while. Got into it with a borderline girl or bipolar or a combination or in addition to other stuff. She's super hot but completely insane. He would tell us that she would have an "episode" where she would punch the shit out of him. He shrugged it off. She would randomly scream at him in public, in front of friends, in front of family. He shrugged it off. "She's good most of the time." She threatened to kill him, knife in hand, on more than one occasion. "It's all good."

Not sure if it was his idea or hers but he said he was sick of his "friends" telling him to dump her crazy ass. They moved to Austin (of course) to start a new life without the negative influences of his friends. So they're down there keeping Austin weird. I was pretty fed up with the guy by the time they blew town but I hope he doesn't die.

[–]Arm-the-homeless 48 points49 points  (4 children)

It's not just that the police don't believe you or social services don't believe you. If you try and find a woman's shelter, you'll probably find one local to you. They'll take a woman and her children in and help them go through the transition of rebuilding their lives after leaving an abusive situation. But good luck finding anything of the sort for men. Maybe if you're lucky you can go through the indignity of couch surfing, or your parents have a spare room. But otherwise, tough cookies. Because we're supposed to 'grow a pair' and 'take care of business' it's just assumed that we're able to handle something like that all on our own. And if we have kids we're left with the awful situation of facing not only the cops and courts who don't take us seriously, but no safety net if we need it. So many men just deal with the abuse because they're so afraid if they leave they'll be viewed as 'the unstable parent' and lose custody.

But yeah, "muh patriarchy".

And to be clear, I don't hate women or deny that sexism against them exists. But if anyone believes that there isn't another side to this shit that is just as real, and can be every bit as oppressive to men, then you're either naive, willfully ignorant, or incredibly callous. Probably all three.

[–]ohlookahipster 150 points151 points  (7 children)

I had to leave my last friend group because of this situation.

Although they were both terrible to each other.

Fist fights, damaged property, stealing each other's credit cards, verbal assaults, etc. At one point she beat him with his laptop and then he turned around and put a brick through her front window.

Turns out my old friends are apologists and deny it was ever a thing. We were all crazy alcoholics but at least I remember it all. They are all still together. Shitty relationship. Last I tried to speak to them, I got a lecture on "this is true love."

They are high school sweethearts. Never spend a moment apart. It's been 10 years. Shame this is what they want out of life.

[–]intecknicolour 12 points13 points  (0 children)

the standard is so skewed towards women that women who actually abuse can get away with it by blaming it on the male abused person.

many cops who are not prepared to deal with this can get it all wrong and arrest the abused because of this heavily skewed double standard.

[–]ChetDuchessManly 8 points9 points  (13 children)

Shit like this makes me want to install cameras throughout my house just in case I get one of the crazies.

[–]Wa1ker1 21 points22 points  (12 children)

This worked for me once. It wasn't cameras setup but I noticed when shit was going downhill fast and started recording everything. I even got her on camera saying she was going to lie to police that I raped her. I kicked her out and locked the door. Went to my downstairs neighbors to get them to witness it.

A couple hours later 4 police show up at my door that she reported I raped her. I showed them the video of her and telling me that I'll be sorry because she's going to lie and call the police and they'll believe her etc. As well as told police to talk to the neighbors and shit. Police left.

I noticed she was logged into my computer on her Facebook and decided to go thru it. Apparently she had done this to other guys before and used it as a way to get money out of guys. I screen shot everything in the private messages and posted the info on her page for everyone and all the other guys to see too.

Few days later investigator wants me to make a statement on the rape case, I sent him the video and screenshots and told him what happened.

Than a couple months later he calls again saying he needs the copies again because they were misplaced and charging her with false report to police.

I still have the video and pics saved as a backup in case I ever need it. But I would have definitely been in jail without the video evidence. Now I keep a go pro in case I need it and private recording app on my phone in event anything ever happens again I start recording. I'm a pretty big guy as I bodybuild so I need all the evidence I can get.

[–]BlackDave0490 14 points15 points  (8 children)

On a very basic level it makes me very sad you had to do something like this just to basically live your life.

[–]noahdj1512 4258 points4259 points  (142 children)

And then they all clap lmao

[–]5335s 3305 points3306 points  (81 children)

They clap as a social cue to signal it wasn't me that was laughing.

[–]z500 1307 points1308 points  (57 children)

I think it's funnier if everyone laughed, then they all thought "damn, he told us, that's worth a clap"

[–]simjanes2k 823 points824 points  (53 children)

To be fair, I'm sure there was a few people there that really were like, "Damn, I got told. You win bro."

[–]ctaggie 765 points766 points  (43 children)

You overestimate people's self awareness. Cognitive dissonance is a very strong thing.

[–]somedaygood 319 points320 points  (32 children)

You underestimate people's self awareness. Cognitive dissonance is a very strong thing.

[–]you_wizard 145 points146 points  (9 children)

underestimate people's self awareness

If only we lived in such a world.

[–]almightybob1 70 points71 points  (3 children)

I think it was a joke. Because simultaneously overestimating and underestimating people's self-awareness would be an example of cognitive dissonance.

[–]wirWarKonigeMann 201 points202 points  (7 children)

Some laughed, some clapped. I'm glad the man called them out. That shit isn't funny at all.

[–]noahdj1512 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Exactly

[–]burnSMACKER 313 points314 points  (21 children)

The Applause sign probably lit up

[–]DankDialektiks 211 points212 points  (14 children)

And the laugh sign had lit up before that

[–]MyWordIsBond 967 points968 points  (156 children)

I think in the past few years, the idea of men being the victims of domestic abuse has come to light a bit more.

A story I'll always remember on the subject... 2008ish, My friend is a cop. He works a pretty bad domestic abuse call. Woman beating her husband with one of those whips/prods/whatever the horse jockeys use to make the horse run faster are called. He's got welts all over his legs, torso and arms. She is arrested. However, it is protocol for their to be followup, with the thought "without intervention it's going to happen again."

So the "standard" followup is to send the men (the usual perpetrators of the domestic violence) to court ordered classes to help teach them not to abuse their wives. This was the first "wife abusing the husband" case they had gotten since introducing this standard. They didn't know what to do, only that their was protocol now, that some intervention had to happen.

The solution? The man was sent to those classes. Not the wife who was the perpetrator. The husband. The victim of domestic abuse was ordered to take classes for men who had abused their wives.

[–]RedshiftOnPandy 666 points667 points  (36 children)

The person who sent that man to those classes should be fired.

[–]dorkofthepolisci 144 points145 points  (8 children)

The victim of domestic abuse was ordered to take classes for men who had abused their wives.

Who the hell thought that was a good idea?

I mean, surely the wife could have gotten something from the classes, even if it was entirely comprised of men.

At least, she would have gotten more out of it than the abuse victim.

[–]Becks91 185 points186 points  (78 children)

Women actually have been found to commit 70% of unidirectional IPV and to be more likely to carry violence from one relationship to the next. Due to the Duluth model however the police must assume the man is the offender unless there is concrete evidence against her.

[–]ObnoxiousMammal 16 points17 points  (1 child)

The whip thing is called a riding crop.

[–]MirrorNinja2 424 points425 points  (73 children)

mirror - NZ restricted

[–]PM_Me_Whatever_lol 61 points62 points  (10 children)

Wow really, just NZ? I didn't think anyone cared about us enough. Cheers from Hamilton

[–]Mine_Fuhrer 19 points20 points  (0 children)

cheers from chch

[–]takuyafire 36 points37 points  (0 children)

good cunt

[–]higs87 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You legend

[–]Left-field-bum 826 points827 points  (111 children)

Formerly abused dude, beat by my sons mom. She was arrested for domestic abuse before we split up. When we split up and it came time for court, her abuse against me was over looked as being "too far back" to matter; despite it being about a year.

When I told the judge about the multiple instances I'd been abused both physically and mentally, he smirked. Much like the cops that arrested her that night a year before, except they openly laughed at me.

I've learned that guys in America don't get to talk about domestic abuse if it happens to them. You're a pussy, you should take the shit and smile, and be glad to be in the life of your child.

Fuck the family court system in America.

[–]gigasnail 367 points368 points  (73 children)

Family courts in America legally allowed my girlfriend to adopt out my son without my consent. Shits no where near balanced for the genders.

[–]joeflux 292 points293 points  (42 children)

Same thing happened to my friend in America.

He was in the army and got deployed to Iraq for (edit: I said 4, but it was 2) 2 years. His wife divorced him, got with another guy, then had their 3 kids legally adopted by the new guy, without his consent or even his knowledge!

They simply claimed that they couldn't contact him and 2 years later (while he was still in Iraq) the kids were the guy's.

He returned home to find he wasn't even legally allowed near his own kids!

It was completely fucked up. (He also got blinded by a mortar, so came home completely blind and without his short term memory. It was a very low point in his life. But he moved to a very quiet peaceful part of Japan, near me, found a nice Japanese girl, and started over. The memory returned, but the blindness didn't. Things are a lot better now, but he's completely lost contact with his 3 kids)

[–]Gainznsuch 112 points113 points  (2 children)

Holy shit man. This a level of fucked up that I did not know existed.

[–]PlugOnePointOne 50 points51 points  (0 children)

I hope his kids don't believe the lies that their mom tells them. I really hope they can meet their father and know the truth.

[–]the_micked_kettle1 36 points37 points  (3 children)

Similar thing happened to me. I went into the army while she was pregnant, and deployed about three weeks after he was born. Since we weren't married, and so close to deploying, I wasn't able to get a pass to go see him. She basically ghosted out while I was deployed, a friend of mine was able to get her number, though. So, I called her and she told me that she wanted nothing to do with me. I tried every way possible to contact her, telling her that I had no issue paying child support or anything, I just wanted to see my only son. Just wanted some pictures to look at from Afghanistan. All to no avail.

I lost contact with her, but, she messaged me a while later to say that her fiancée had adopted him, and that was no longer my son. That was about three years ago.

I got a Facebook message from her about a month ago, and it was a picture of my son, six years old now, whom I hadn't seen even a picture of in at least five years, smiling over losing his front baby teeth.

That was, without a doubt, the single most painful thing to ever happen to me. The urge to just break down and cry like a little kid was just... overwhelming.

[–]brazzersjanitor 9 points10 points  (1 child)

It's pretty fucked up women, or anyone rather, can do this to another person with impunity.

[–]i_706_i 25 points26 points  (1 child)

I wonder how often these kinds of things happen and it just causes someone to snap and decide to murder the other party. Not just out of revenge but a desire to spite the justice system that has failed them by taking the law into their own hands. I can't imagine it's something people would want publicized as it would only lead to copycats.

[–]NimbleStorm 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Anecdotal, but my friend seriously considered this for a bit. He's doing better now, he gets the kids half the time (but still pays child support?). His whore ex wife is slutting around, bringing strange men over in front of the kids, and is physically abusing them. You read that right, my friend pays child support to a whore for kids he has half of the time while she beats them. She also makes more money than he does.

So... Yeah, the justice system is systematically sexist and oppressive.

[–]Left-field-bum 39 points40 points  (16 children)

What the fuck happened after? Jesus, I thought my overall story was bad.

[–]gigasnail 70 points71 points  (14 children)

I ended up in debt from legal fees in the appeal and lost again. The mormon church gave her money for adopting him through one of their agencies and I have been waiting 11 of 18 years until the records become unsealed and I can go find him.

[–]wisewizard 33 points34 points  (3 children)

Dude that's fucking horrendous, i'm so sorry that you have to go through that, i hope you find your son.

[–]gigasnail 18 points19 points  (2 children)

Thanks. It's been years of mental torture. I am hoping he will eventually put two and two together and come looking for me. Extremely unlikely but it gets me through my days. The moment the records are unsealed heaven and earth wont stop me from finding him.

[–]wisewizard 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Fuckin aye mate, my prayers are with you.

[–]Left-field-bum 26 points27 points  (8 children)

WHAT. THE. FUCK.

I honestly don't know what to say to that. I can't imagine what you've been through, though I'm familiar with the debt/being broke part.

I guess my only question is: would you consider doing an AMA? Or telling this story somewhere?

[–]VisibleGhost 6 points7 points  (5 children)

how the fuck can that be allowed?

[–]kingslayer990 33 points34 points  (13 children)

It's the same in India mate. People behave like men abuse is something unheard of and a strange thing to exist. It's fucked up.

[–]Left-field-bum 16 points17 points  (3 children)

To be honest, I suspect that this attitude is fairly common in most cultures. The whole "being a man" thing and all that.

[–]ParlorSoldier 8 points9 points  (1 child)

I'm really sorry that happened to you. Fuck that judge and those cops who perpetuate the idea that a man who gets hurt is weak or that this situation is funny. You in no way deserved to be treated like that, especially by people who are supposed to be there to help you.

[–]Morigyn 1472 points1473 points  (196 children)

How is domestic violence ever funny? You don't need to be big to be a monster, you just need to be awful.

[–]NotOBAMAThrowaway 724 points725 points  (148 children)

Everytime I hear some angry person saying about "cutting his dick off" people laugh, but I never would hear a laugh about cutting someones breasts off. It got especially bad during the Lorena Bobbit trial.

[–]Tsegen 429 points430 points  (87 children)

The View had a whole disgusting segment laughing about a guy getting his dick cut off.

EDIT: Just rewatched it. Was mainly Sharon Osbourne leading the charge. I'm not surprised. Since she hung around with a messy guy that cheated on her multiple times she doesn't want to leave I guess she's living vicariously through a person who had the courage to do something she likely fantasized of.

How bout...that woman is just cray and don't project?

[–]notdanb 245 points246 points  (79 children)

Bill Burr has a great bit from his podcast where he talks about that segment.

[–]NiPlusUltra 216 points217 points  (33 children)

While I agree with everything he has to say about that I'm kinda disappointed he left out the part where one of the women actually thought it was terrible to laugh at that sort of thing. She actually sticks up for the guy and raises a similar argument of how no one would be laughing if it was a man mutilating a woman.

[–]MinerKing13 122 points123 points  (5 children)

I'm glad she said that, it showed at least one of them was level headed. But then hooooly fuck Sharon Osborne starts to say "Oh, but its different!" Jesus, there is no more pure definition of a double standard than that woman in that moment.

[–]Stalked_Like_Corn1 40 points41 points  (4 children)

Disliked Sharon for a while but when that came out, i down right started to hate that bitch. Fuck her.

[–]Funkhouser_Rutley 32 points33 points  (1 child)

Want some more rage fuel? The cast had to apologize the next week. Sharon couldn't get through it without giggling and getting Leah Remini to step up for her.

PS- Sorry for the clip with annoying subtitles, couldn't find an original.

[–]chrisrab1 12 points13 points  (5 children)

Who is the the one who stuck up for the guy?

[–]_Brimstone 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Laughed at him, stuck up for him, then laughed at him again. People are giving her too much credit.

[–]Levitus01 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Which, IIRC, Sharon sweeps under the rug as quickly as possible, and then goes back to her jokes.

I seem to recall that the "we shouldn't laugh" statement carrying about as much weight and having all the potency of the "please drink responsibly" statement in the average alcohol advert

[–]tremulo 60 points61 points  (1 child)

Here's a link to the clip for those interested.

Even if someone wants to say that an act of female on male violence is somehow less serious than male on female, if you just take the genders out of it, this is a panel of five people who are sitting around laughing about one person mutilating another. And when at the end one person is like "I don't want a be a total buzzkill about this, but maybe this isn't totally ok", they're quickly shot down.

That just seems kind of fucked up.

[–]ptera_tinsel 48 points49 points  (54 children)

Wouldn't cutting someone's clit off be the equivalent to cutting someone's dick off?

[–]AmadeusCziffra 4 points5 points  (6 children)

No, clit = head of dick. Cutting off dick is like cutting off entire clitoral nerve and then somehow filling up vagina so it can not get anything inserted.

[–]Tsegen 50 points51 points  (11 children)

Because people are horrible. It took a while to push against domestic violence and criminalize marital rape everywhere, I'm not shocked that people think it's totes funny to be a prick to a dude just cause.

Progress is just one endless road of broken glass and bs you have to crawl over. There's always some stupid idea people have.

[–]MakoTitan 8806 points8807 points  (760 children)

I feel for this dude. As a man with children in a very abusive relationship, I have been searching for the right answers for so long. She's puts marks on me, nonstop screaming and cursing, constant violent behavior! I've been recording her and putting everything on a flash drive for a very long time to build a case. It's a nightmare, and the worst part is I hired an attorney, and he told me that even though I have so much, he can't guarantee me that the judge will at least give me majority custody AND there's still a chance I'll owe her child support...At least while I'm here, I can be the saving grace for my kids when they need me. Thanks a lot American court system. I come to you with countless pieces of evidence and I'm still the one risking it all...That's just not right. Anyone know Ellen Degeneres? I heard she likes to help people...Might be my only option at this point. :/

Edit: I'm so grateful for all the kind words of support. It's made me be able to rest a little easier tonight. Thank you!!!

Edit 2: I was NOT expecting this to blow up like it has! I have responded to everyone so far, but the inbox is getting a little beyond my control. I'll be getting a little more spread out with my responses from here on out. I apologize for that. Thanks so much for everything! The support is overwhelming!!!

Edit 3: I updated this edit. Thanks for the concerns.

Edit 4: Thank you so much to the kind stranger and the gold. Again, the support has really given me some seriously needed confidence.

[–]chimerauprising 724 points725 points  (174 children)

flash drive

I hope you have off-site backups. It;s easy to destroy a single flashdrive.

[–]MakoTitan 548 points549 points  (172 children)

There's multiple copies, some are secure with trusted people in my life. I have it that way so at any time if I need them, I can make a call. This is because she has falsely called the police on me before, saying I was being abusive and trying to take my kids (thank freakin goodness I was recording her), so this gives me a lot of proof of her behavior that can be brought forward in the event she finds what I have here. And if you're wondering how that event played out when the cop showed up, he listened to the recording and I was 100% told I was perfectly fine. I'm lucky I recorded it. Now I record everything.

[–]chimerauprising 185 points186 points  (24 children)

Glad to hear that. You could get a dick judge but chances are you have more than enough evidence to come out on top here.

[–]MakoTitan 253 points254 points  (19 children)

I hope so, but it truly feels like walking into a casino with my last $100.00 and betting it all on one hand.

[–]losian 416 points417 points  (12 children)

You're worth that bet and so are your kids.

[–]MakoTitan 226 points227 points  (10 children)

That was fucking awesome of you to say man. Thanks a lot, and I mean that.

[–]fukkinmike 172 points173 points  (6 children)

It took me four years and every dime I had brother, but the day I got full custody of my girls was the best day of my life. I would go through all the abuse again if it meant I would end up here with my girls. Good for you for stepping up. If you have any questions I will help you with anything I can. Proud of you partner, the world needs more dads like you.

[–]MakoTitan 114 points115 points  (2 children)

You kinda just pumped me up with a lot of hope dude. Shoot me a PM if you don't mind?

[–]Jordnewton86 47 points48 points  (1 child)

I really hope you make it out on top, the American court system is fucked against men but you've played it really really smart so far. With a good lawyer, I'm positive you've got a fair shot.

Good luck!

[–]Nobutmaebe 23 points24 points  (2 children)

As a daughter who was abandoned by and meant absolutely nothing to her father, this almost brought a tear to my eye. I've had very negative relationships with men my entire life, it makes me incredibly cynical at times, but it helps to be reminded there are men that DO exist that actually love and care about their daughters. So much so, that they even go to the extent you did.

Thank you.

[–]fukkinmike 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Sheesh now it's getting all dusty in here. You are very welcome. I can't imagine my life without them for weeks at a time. I feel like the luckiest dad in the world. I hope I do a good job, shoot I just hope they choose partners who are good people and do the right thing.

Now you know what you mean for your children, or what you will mean should you choose to have them. You know the heartache caused by indifference and you can prevent it.

[–]tael89 51 points52 points  (50 children)

Isn't there illegal aspects to falsely calling the police and lying to them?

[–]MakoTitan 90 points91 points  (36 children)

Sure. It's definitely illegal, though the exact definition escapes me. All he did against her was just give her a stern talking to and file a report. But honestly, this was in the early stages of things unraveling. I didn't really have the sense to think to do anything further legally at that point. It was just begining...

[–]char-charmanda 29 points30 points  (3 children)

Hey, you're getting great advice here. Just wanted to say that you're SO strong. Those kids are very lucky to have you. I SO hope to hear a happy update from you.

I have a little boy and we JUST had to have a talk because he came home from school telling me that a little girl pulled his hair, but "girls hit boys because they like them."

He's six. This bullshit with girls are cute when they're mean, but a boy even raises his voice at a female and he's a monster needs to stop.

[–]soyeahthatsathing 30 points31 points  (1 child)

I remember a girl picked on me in primary school when I was little so I kicked her in the gut. My dad chewed the principal out and said "Right then! How about I get my partner to come in poke your eyes out. You do nothing and fine he can have that bull shit punishment, you try to hit her back though I'll rip your arm off for being a hypocritical piece of shit."

My mum sorta stopped letting my dad handle school shit after that, but you know fair is fair. You try and teach kids to take shit like a bitch then you better stand by that shit since you're a bloody educator.

[–]grozamesh 14 points15 points  (0 children)

Had this happen to me too. My parents were a tad more subtle, but IIRC I avoided real trouble.

The girl in question was much bigger and taller than me (and about 10 months older).

She had been picking on me all year and on that day, had pushed me down wearing some jacket I was particularly fond over and snapped. I socked her in the nose, and proceeded to get my name chanter over the school ground (apparently I wasn't the only one getting bullied by her)

Cue the administrators and everybody else yelling at me "you can't hit girls!".

To which I asked "why?".

"Because men are stronger than women". That wasn't true.

"Men have to be the responsible one". Uhh, aren't women people too?

So on and so on. Her dad threatened to sue me (I assume he meant my parents, as an 8 year old owns nothing, but he said me)

Eventually through the ordeal, me and the girl became friends or at least acquaintences. Turns out she had problems at home with both divorcing parents and the beginnings of figuring out she was gay (which she didn't reveal till like 8 years later)

To this day, I didn't learn a damn thing from the experience or punishment. I just learned that people will use their preconceived notions of gender to jump to conclusions and ignore the evidence in front of them.

I would still defend myself against being assaulted by any gender.

[–]MyManD 18 points19 points  (23 children)

Has she begun acting differently, at least as a front, now that she knows all of her actions are being recorded?

[–]MakoTitan 48 points49 points  (22 children)

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It's weird actually. She's been in my face, screaming and twisting the skin on my stomach all while yelling "I KNOW YOU'RE RECORDING ME, CALL THE COPS. FUCKING CALL THE COPS." I was literally holding the recorder so it wasn't a mystery. She had no fear of repercussions. Other times she just quests up. It's actually unnerving that she acts so drastically different each time.

[–]MyManD 17 points18 points  (3 children)

Man, I can't even imagine a life that's so uncertain. Props for holding steady and for meticulously cataloguing the crazy.

[–]aivenier 8 points9 points  (12 children)

I hope you're photographing the evidence, maybe even recording it with video. I don't know a lot about the US system and the courts, but they seem biased toward mothers.

[–]greyfade 22 points23 points  (10 children)

Most court systems are heavily biased in favor of women in Western countries, actually, in nearly every category, for both civil and criminal offenses. Lots of studies and statistics and recently even a judge admitting the bias.

[–]soyeahthatsathing 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Can confirm, my parents have a friend and his wife was a fucking meth addict. Even then it was pulling teethe trying to get fucking custody and the oldest would say shit like "Sorry, mums not in right now she's Fucking X (dealer) at this house" the kid was like 8 or 9

[–]SkeptiCynical 5 points6 points  (4 children)

If you are afraid for your safety, you can call police and request units to take a report, provide safe passage from / to your home, or to remove someone who is assaulting you or preventing your free travel (wrongful imprisonment)

[–]MakoTitan 6 points7 points  (3 children)

It's come close to that before. Again, it was early in the abuse. I wasn't sure what to do. Lots has progressed since then.

[–]SkeptiCynical 13 points14 points  (1 child)

You have to be willing to make the first move. Your wife is violent, and she knows the law (and almost all the cops / DAs) are automatically 95% on her side. If you don't file a report / have her arrested first, she will have you arrested for DV. Trust me. Make the first move.

[–]2dogs1man 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I made the first move once, and I got arrested. Because I'm male.

I wouldn't advise anyone to call the cops for any reason, after that one. I certainly won't.

[–]Tzchmo 19 points20 points  (1 child)

I guess since you talked with an attorney you probably already know your situation, but make sure your evidence is admissible in court because of consent laws. (Single party vs all party consent). IANAL, I just was looking this up for work purposes.

[–]MakoTitan 26 points27 points  (0 children)

Totally! The very first question I asked was if it was admissible. He said yes. That was my first breath of relief in nearly 2 years.

[–]niqqa888 1242 points1243 points  (26 children)

I'm really sorry to hear that:(, I know this won't help you're situation out, but I want you to know that there's at least one person cheering you on!

[–]MakoTitan 471 points472 points  (22 children)

I appreciate that more than you know. I don't know how, but I constantly hope to find a way to get through this with the majority time with my kids. I hate the thought of them having to be exposed to this garbage without me there to keep them in a positive light.

[–]Undercover_Newb 266 points267 points  (15 children)

I respect and commend you for this, but at the same time you deserve a happy and healthy life. At some point you're gonna have to play your cards and gamble on the court system. When you will do this is the decision you have to make. How old are your kids right now? Because ---in my unbased opinion--- you'd ideally get a divorce when your kids are older (12+) so that most of their core development is done under your constant supervision, and so that they have time to develop their own understanding of their homelife situation (which will undoubtedly be in your favour during the court process). Just keep gathering information and biding your time.

Here's what you're gonna wanna do with your finances until then.

[–]MakoTitan 145 points146 points  (11 children)

Hey, I really appreciate all this. The link is helpful as well. I'll be reading up on it tonight.

[–]Jpvsr1 85 points86 points  (9 children)

Please keep pushing for what is right. Update us if you can. You deserve to be happy. And so do your kids.

[–]MakoTitan 56 points57 points  (8 children)

I appreciate it. In what way should I update if things develope? I almost considered posting one of the recordings, but that might screw up some of the current legal proceedings. I'm not sure what's okay to do and what's not in this situation.

[–]PwNyRaneB0 80 points81 points  (2 children)

If you want to keep people updated on the situation there is r/abuse that you can use. In terms of what is ok to post so you won't legally screw yourself over, I just wouldn't put out any information that could confirm who you are in real life, so don't get too specific with anything but general updates should be fine. Also, I'm not too familiar with the legal system but I wouldn't get too specific when talking about the current proceedings just to be safe. Stay strong and know that people out here wish the best for you and your kids!

[–]0Fsgivin 95 points96 points  (5 children)

Get out man..my dad stayed. I love my dad he was a great father. The only major fuckup he ever made was not getting out when we were in middle school.

At that point man we knew mom was fucked up dude. We wanted out to. And after a kid hits about 12. The court start giving them a little more say in who they stay with. It's not much but it can tip the scales dont forget.

Also, leaving your kids to get roughed up might seem horrible. BUT if she screws up and abuses em and they go to the police that can cause her to lose custody man. Especially if the kid testifies "she abuses me and I don't want to be there" Tell them to record as much as they can the pyschological shit (yelling, name calling, threatening.) If THEY get it on video can cause her to lose custody to.

I dunno man. Every situation is different. But you will never. ever be able to truly help those kids unless you've gotten them completely out of that situation.

Regardless good luck man. I will say try the legal route first. But what got my mom to leave me alone was getting dark. She was willing to dish it out but didn't want to risk taking it. She'd raise a fist I would to. Once I told her the next time she hits my dad or my sister I'll break both her fucking arms and if she presses charges when I get out I'll kill her. She stopped hitting my dad and sister. Now I wouldn't recommend that shit but I was just done man. Prison didn't seem much worse than watching that cunt harm the people I love with impunity. I don't know don't have kids. But if I did and the mother hit me and knock her the fuck out. She hit my kids. Mommy might end up missing. But that's just me man and I lived a life of abuse so I'm quite possibly damaged in that regard might not be the best advice to listen to.

[–]metalshoes 223 points224 points  (13 children)

Record everything. I say this as a child of divorce, not the parent. Seeing the vindictive, terrible things my mother has done and said to my father over the years. Keep a long, long file, my friend.

[–]MakoTitan 77 points78 points  (10 children)

I will, I am, and it will continue. Sorry you had to go through that.

[–]metalshoes 42 points43 points  (8 children)

All good man. I'm sure you know this, but all that matters is your kids and your own health. I grew up resenting my dad a lot because of the poison things my mom would say about my dad, but in retrospect, I have a huge amount of respect for him for taking it and never returning the vitriol about our mom to us.

[–]MakoTitan 36 points37 points  (7 children)

And let me tell you how hard that is to do. I want to tell my kids how wrong she is. The worst I've ever told them when they asked me why mommy was acting this way is "mommy is sick and doesn't feel good right now baby." It's all I say to them, even though so many more thoughts go through my mind.

[–]agentboinker 14 points15 points  (1 child)

Your doing the right thing, I was 16 by the time my dad got the first restraining order. Im 27 now, and myself and 3 siblings share immense respect for dad for never saying negative things about her despite her trying to poison our minds. It will payoff someday my friend, I wish you the best of luck. Also want to share that it was tough for dad in court but he had almost 0 documentation. Ultimately the judge made us kids meet with a social worker to 'assess' us and it was BS because said worker was on moms side from the very beginning. My mom was very sly and convinced social workers, the courts and family for a long time that dad was intimidating us into speaking out against her. So basically social worker reported that she thought we were lying, and under duress/threats. I think judge gave her 50/50 to the younger siblings. Shortly after this, I turned 18 and then volunteered to testify. As the oldest in the family I felt it the right thing to do. Alot changed in favor of dad after my testimony. But I only wish she would have put her energy into getting clean instead of fighting the court system. It wasn't until she passed away 2 years ago from liver failure that my family finally knew peace. At the end of the day I'm glad dad did what he did, it sucked for all of us but it sucked less than living in a home with mom screaming at dad all night and drinking all day.

[–]SkeptiCynical 72 points73 points  (3 children)

Please file police reports whenever and as often as possible. Police don't have to make the subject aware that reports are being filed. Do not let her know you are filing reports.

If you can document an assault, have her arrested. Do not make her aware you are calling the police or filing complaints. Don't back down from having her arrested when the police do arrive.

Go to family court and demand an order of protection. She won't be allowed near you, the house or your work. A temporary PO is almost guaranteed just for the asking, and a violation will land her immediately in jail.

Force her to move out of the house. Have your attorney draft up the most aggressive, unreasonable separation agreement possible. Make her backpedal from there.

These things will go a long way in securing your rightful place in your kids' lives. PM me if you need more info. Source: been there, done that (NYS family court)

[–]MakoTitan 12 points13 points  (0 children)

I most certainly will if need be. Thanks so much!!!

[–]mr_ji 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The issue here is that every time the cops get called, it's his word vs. hers, and cops overwhelmingly side with the woman before anyone gets a word in. Doesn't help his kids for him to spend the night in jail before the cops will even consider his side of the story. That's the risk he'd be taking every time.

I feel for OP. I didn't record when my girlfriend went apeshit and fell over while trying to kick me in my apartment, hurting herself in the process. Guess who got a DV conviction and 40 days in jail after she called them from her workplace the next day and said I'd bodyslammed her onto my floor (hint: not her).

[–]assumptionsweremade 278 points279 points  (10 children)

Get out now. My dad was abused by my mom not to proctect us, the kids. I will never forget when they went out to dinner and she came home alone because she had kicked him in the face when they were still in the car. He didn't come home because the heel of her boot busted his lip, knocked out his upper front teeth and cracked his hard pallet. He had to have an emergency repair to his face and have a bridge to replace four teeth. I was a kid and I remember it clearly four decades later.

You deserve to be treated well and to know love.

Edited to add: He was 6 + feet tall and ten years older. She was 5 feet tall.

[–]momu1990 60 points61 points  (4 children)

Ellen Degeneres? I heard she likes to help people

Nah, this is some next level stuff. Gotta bring in the big guns: Oprah.

[–]MakoTitan 75 points76 points  (2 children)

And YOU get a divorce, and YOU get a divorce.

[–]clown_shoes69 7 points8 points  (0 children)

At this point isn't Ellen arguably more popular and relevant than Oprah? 65M+ Twitter followers, daytime talk show on NBC, massively popular YouTube channel, etc.

I don't even know what Oprah does these days. Isn't she on some premium cable channel or something?

[–]ActualGn0me 19 points20 points  (3 children)

Just a suggestion, back up everything on google drive or something. You don't want to lose all that evidence.

[–]MakoTitan 8 points9 points  (2 children)

I think that's a good idea. Thanks.

[–]_nk 40 points41 points  (13 children)

I would leave. Build a safe environment and even if the kids don't spend the majority of time with you... they'll at least spend some time with you. Given time they will eventually choose to live with you, and then you give them what you can. My mum and dad got divorced when I was about 9... My brother went and lived with my dad within a few years... but i stayed for about 5 or 6 years... In that time she managed to do quite abit of damage... I wish I'd listened to my dad more and just gotten out of it... It's tricky stuff. Taking the best course of action, mightn't be the best course of action. Toxic environments seep into your soul, if you stay in it, it'll wittle away at you... and that'll in turn effect your kids...

[–]FinalMantasyX 29 points30 points  (6 children)

I am like 98% sure there is no "the kids can just decide later". That is not how custody works, and once she has it, she can leave. She can move 10 states away and never contact him again.

[–]Tatays 6 points7 points  (2 children)

It depends on the situation and if the parent can respect their child's decision or not. When i was 14 i made the decision to leave my mom and live with my dad halfway across the U.S. im sure she couldof done something to legally keep me, but she never did and then my step mom claimed me as a dependent in her taxes, and there were no issues. Both my parents are great, thankfully, just incompatible partners.

Sorry for the typos im on my phone.

[–]MakoTitan 13 points14 points  (5 children)

What you are saying makes sense. Everything you said will be taken to heart, I assure you.

[–]Schmohawker 92 points93 points  (14 children)

You might have a shot at Dr Phil. You just need to come up with a catch phrase.

[–]MakoTitan 59 points60 points  (10 children)

Haha, I'd take Dr. Phil at this point.

[–]CatsAreDivine 70 points71 points  (8 children)

Serious note about Dr. Phil from a long-time viewer. About a year or two ago most of all his shows were about domestic violence. Dr Phil has zero tolerance for it, and he has called out women for it as well. If you were able to ever get on the show by some miracle, I do believe he would have your back. Might be worth shooting his staff an email?

[–]MakoTitan 51 points52 points  (6 children)

That's wild! I was mostly joking about the Ellen thing, but I feel she's more respected. I feel like parading on Dr. Phil would be really making a mockery of the whole thing. Maybe I'm wrong though...

[–]CatsAreDivine 36 points37 points  (1 child)

Idk, some of his shows seem like watch-bait, but when he has done the shows on domestic violence they have been righteous. His wife started up her own shelters, etc. From what I have seen he takes the matters very seriously. He's also a court-mandated reporter so if you were to bring up the evidence you have he would be forced to report it. I know a few people he had on his shows landed in jail because is the evidence presented and what they admitted to having done.

Edit: just remembered they also created their own safe app. It stores in your phone as something else but basically what it does is sends a text to whoever you programmed to send one to when you are in danger. Like you set a safe word and that trusted person knows it and can send the police to your house.

[–]MakoTitan 9 points10 points  (0 children)

That's good to know he has a real legitimate side to this subject!

[–]ledzepplinfan 45 points46 points  (1 child)

Hey dude, I know I don't know you and there's nothing I can really do but I'm praying for you bro. That is so awful. Your kids need you, and you know that, so you're being there for them. As long as you love them and show them the care they deserve, which I'm sure you are, things will turn out okay. Just keep going and have hope. I grew up in almost the exact environment you are describing. If my dad had divorced my mom I would have lived a better life. So don't submit! Don't quit! We're all cheering you on, and that kid deserves a good dad that isn't worsened by a bad wife and mother. Have hope.

[–]vtschoir 29 points30 points  (9 children)

If she storms out of the house and says she's leaving while the kids are with you, change the locks right then and there. That's child abandonment, and you're a hell of a lot likelier to get custody based on that.

[–]MakoTitan 28 points29 points  (7 children)

Problem is, she takes the kids every single time. Starts fights at 3 in the morning and yanks them out of bed just to get at me and prove whatever crazy point she has. She drives around for 2 hours and comes back. It's nuts.

[–]vtschoir 28 points29 points  (0 children)

Fucking shit, man. Unstable as fuck, and abusive to her own kids.

File a restraining order on behalf of your kids. Kick her ass out. Document every day for 90 days.

[–]jtweezy 42 points43 points  (9 children)

Having experience with divorces as a paralegal who has worked on several, the guy almost always gets screwed by the courts. The way the courts look at it unfortunately is that the mother is more valuable in a child's life than the father, which I think is bullshit. Unless this woman is some kind of hazard to the children, and from your description she may be, getting residential custody of the children may be extremely tough. The best thing you can do is compile all the evidence you can to show the court that she is unfit to have residential custody. Stay strong, dude. If the judge is sympathetic you may very well win

[–]BoldSmoothPowerful 17 points18 points  (3 children)

the mother is more valuable in a child's life than the father

This is a tangent, but I wonder how judges with this view look at gay male married couples raising a child. Are they the equivalent of a single mother? Does that mean they get welfare or something?

[–]MakoTitan 9 points10 points  (3 children)

It's that pesky IF that gets me every time. Thanks for reading and taking the time to give some thought on the situation. It means a lot.

[–]scholarly_pimp 12 points13 points  (0 children)

If anything man, you gotta do it for the kids. I wish no one had to be brought up in that environment, but sadly, it's a reality.

Good luck! If there's anything to do via the internet, lemme know

[–]Dr_Monkee 167 points168 points  (85 children)

Men do get railroaded in this country yet women get double the sympathy while men get ignored. According to some studies more women perpetrate domestic violence then men and are more likely to shamelessly report that they do because society has no standard of non-violence towards men by virtue. I my self was sent to the emergency room because of my ex-girlfriend and im 6 foot 210lbs and she was all of 110 lbs. She broke my nose because she BIT it so hard, needed stitches i had 2 black eyes because she repeatedly battered me, my neck was torn up and it looked like i was attacked by a tiger from the claw marks. The incident took place in a cab and the driver acted as my witness and drove me straight to the ER with her still in the car attacking me and he proceeded to call the police. They arrested her but it ended up bring nothing more than a slap on the wrist if you could even call it that, yet if i did that to her i would without a doubt be doing actual real time in jail. This also wasnt the first time she attacked me. She fractured my nose once before but i never reported it, and another time she threw a high ball glass across the room and it hit me in the head and knocked me on conscious. That girl is lucky i didnt choke slam her ass back to the year 1455 because she damn well deserved it, but i always knew that no matter what the circumstances i would by default be arrested and the police would side with her because im a man and she was a "helpless female" would would most definitely lie. Men deal with this on a regular basis but i think there is some facet of society that forces others to perceive male complaining as weakness so we dont, while female complaining is tool used for them to get what they want because people listen to it as if it has more intrinsic merit simply because it is coming from a female.

In addition, every SINGLE time i bring this story up to anyone, no matter who it is where we are or what were discussing people laugh or call me a pussy or ask why i was dumb enough to deal with that. If the roles were reversed people would legitimately be crying over and apologizing for all the evil abusive men in the world and ranting about how all women are victims.

[–]noodle-oodle-oodle-o 52 points53 points  (13 children)

As a woman, I'm really sorry. In no world should she have done that to you. And I'm sorry you feel ignored, and feel like you can't complain. You should be able to feel like people are listening and care when you share something like this.

[–]shaggorama 10 points11 points  (5 children)

Have you considered consulting another attorney? You'll probably get the same answer, but a second opinion can't hurt.

[–]MakoTitan 8 points9 points  (4 children)

I would if I could afford it man. Unfortunately, divorce consultations aren't free around here. It's not like an accident claim where there is a monetary gain for the attorney to take a cut from if they win. There's no money in divorce for them unless they charge you for everything. I personally have a fund set up for the one I found. He's supposed to be really really good, so I don't have the money or the need to search any further. Thanks for thinking of me and commenting man. It means a lot.

[–]Whatmeworry4 36 points37 points  (18 children)

IANAL, but I have learned the hard way that not all lawyers are created equal. You need to do some serious research to find out who is really the best lawyer in that particular court. And be prepared to pay for it.

I have seen lawyers pull off ridiculous wins that had to be based on connections and possibly even bribes. The court mediators are in on the game, so be careful if you try to go in without a lawyer.

This applies whether you are male, female, young, or old. Whoever hires the biggest shark in the pool will win. Be prepared to consult with every other shark around too, so conflict of interest will prevent them from working for your soon to be ex-spouse.

Like most things in life; hope for the best, but prepare for the worst.

Edit: the criticisms here are all correct in most places, but I can tell you for a fact that in many, especially smaller, counties throughout the U.S. that corruption and cronyism absolutely does exist. Find a lawyer who really knows THAT court, and how to get things done.

[–]My_First_Pony 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Be prepared to consult with every other shark around too, so conflict of interest will prevent them from working for your soon to be ex-spouse.

They know people do that, and there are rules against it. It's also a sure fire way to lose your case.

[–]Tiktalik 7 points8 points  (0 children)

DON'T consult with everyone else, for the love of god. Purposefully blocking someone's access to legal advice is very illegal, from what I've heard, but I'm not a lawyer either.

[–]hakkzpets 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I can assure you that bribes are very rare in American court rooms.

[–]Tugmonkey92 1093 points1094 points  (95 children)

Fucking Jeremy Kyle man. Here America, our gift to you.

[–]ChocolatePopes 503 points504 points  (37 children)

You just feel sorry cause yall gave us Piers Morgan

[–]SolitarySysadmin 165 points166 points  (27 children)

Ha! Now you're stuck with him.

[–]avanbeek 103 points104 points  (19 children)

Thankfully, I haven't seen him on TV since CNN dumped his smug, condescending ass.

[–]StealieMcDeadFace 77 points78 points  (27 children)

We don't get many gifts. Nobody likes us.

[–]ekfslam1 65 points66 points  (19 children)

France used to like us. We even got the Statue of Liberty.

[–]bpkiwi 51 points52 points  (11 children)

That was probably before you called them 'cheese eating surrender monkeys' and renamed things 'freedom fries' tho.

[–]-Guybrush_Threepwood 206 points207 points  (16 children)

Yeah fuck this double standard. I saw a lot of "red alerts" in a previous relationship (2+ years) and decided to end it before it was too late, only to find out she was fucking nuts and kept harassing me and trying to hurt me both physically and mentally. She tried to hit, scratch and insult me at every chance she got. Only thing I could do was protect myself, because what she wanted is to get hit so that she could be the victim. This went on for months.

I had to leave my job and go to another city overnight because she threatened me to falsely report to the police that I hit her if I don't get back with her. She waited outside my home, my work, and even called my friends and family to know where I was. So the only option for me was to run.

Fuck the people who think that only a woman can be abused. If anything, a woman abusing a man is worse because you cannot openly get help without getting raised eyebrows or laughs from everyone. In my case I was lucky, but I still get fucking nightmares about it after 5 years. Just writing about it makes me shiver.

[–]diego97yey 24 points25 points  (1 child)

Dude im sorry about what happened to you. Im glad you are out of it right now. Just try to give the nightmares time, its just a dream

[–]whatisabaggins55 156 points157 points  (9 children)

I don't particularly like his show, but goddamn he does make good points sometimes.

[–]PM_ME_MOD_STATUS 143 points144 points  (18 children)

Jeremy Kyle. Paragon of ethics.

[–]BeyondEarthly 89 points90 points  (6 children)

That was enraging. Who in their right mind would think to laugh? I'm thankful the host called them out.

[–]_Dreamer_Deceiver_ 31 points32 points  (2 children)

The best bit is he tells them off then they start clapping. What the fuck!

[–]Levitus01 12 points13 points  (0 children)

They're just cycling through their available responses until they find the one that advances story.

Source: Audience played Mass Effect.

[–]ILikeMyBlueEyes 24 points25 points  (2 children)

Sexual and domestic abuse towards men is not funny whatsoever.

Last night I was watching an episode of The Drew Carey Show. In one scene it shows Drew straightening his tie before he left for a job interview. In walks Nigel's mother who is determined to get Drew to change his mind about accepting his is old job back. She ties his hands behind his back and starts taking off his clothes while he tried to get her to stop. Apparently raping a man is an acceptable way to try and change someone's mind.

[–]Vocaloidas 95 points96 points  (8 children)

That's why I think people are generally fucked up.

[–]mrgoodnoodles 40 points41 points  (3 children)

Group mentality. Most people in the audience probably didn't think it was genuinely funny, but 1 or 2 people laugh and you've created the snowball effect. Still...you'd think they thought about what they were laughing on cue about.

[–]GammaKrypton 134 points135 points  (9 children)

This needs to get upvoted. I recently collected sources for a university paper on sexism. I wanted to show the double standards between men and women, but peer-reviewed articles in the defense of males were quite scarce. I am all for equality for women, but in the era of challenging engrained social perspectives, double standards like the one in this post must be acknowledged as well.

[–]brianatlarge 65 points66 points  (12 children)

Anyone else notice the tongue action?

https://media.giphy.com/media/d1E3coY2nrDpFlkI/giphy.gif

[–]cdcurio 16 points17 points  (4 children)

I just copied the guy's expression and it seems to me to be an expression of nervousness. One of the funnier expressions of nervousness, definitely, but I'm convinced that's what it is. Guy is amped up with adrenaline talking about that in front of an audience.

[–]terminalradness 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Abuse is abuse

[–]ChocolateSteez 45 points46 points  (8 children)

That was fantastic.

[–]Googoo123450 84 points85 points  (6 children)

Fucking audience clapping like they weren't the ones just laughing.

[–]paralegalchute 30 points31 points  (5 children)

What a bunch of fucking lemmings that audience.

[–]nagelbitarn 15 points16 points  (1 child)

Indeed. "Oh, I guess I agree with this now".

[–]rfox71rt 8 points9 points  (1 child)

When they laugh it tells me that I should laugh!

[–]aivenier 80 points81 points  (45 children)

Any woman who laughs at a male DV victim is not a feminist. Any woman who says that men can't be raped is not a feminist. Feminism is about equality, and I'm so fucking glad that he pointed that shit out. Double standards go for both genders.

Fuck all the people who laughed. I hope they took something from that scolding and came out of it more educated and understanding.

[–]bcbrooklyn 29 points30 points  (13 children)

Most people don't realize this, but women are just as likely to be violent toward male partners as male partners are to women. Of course, since men are usually physically larger and stronger, male-to-female violence has the potential to do more harm. But men who are the receivers of physical abuse often face fears of stigma, fears of ridicule, and fears of not being believed. So they are are more likely feel the need to hide their situations and thus more likely to suffer alone. And most men in these situations have no idea that their situation is more common than they realize. And just like MakoTitan says, men sometimes find it harder to leave, because they know that they are less likely to get custody of the kids.

[–]AKindChap 7 points8 points  (2 children)

What I love about Jeremy Kyle is they all do one thing, he scolds them for it, then they all applaud.

It doesn't matter what Jeremy does on this show (and he does an awful lot of crap. He might have guests on the show who he claims to want to help, but it's always about him, hence the name of the show) they will always back him up 100%