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Diku
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posted October 12, 2000 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Diku     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
/e sends Factiondestroyer after Boggs.

It sure is easy to have a nice calm conversation with you.

Yes, the duration on the spell sucks, it's ONLY 12 minutes. Yes, I would like it to be longer. But No, the weapon isn't useless, no the effect isn't useless, and it sure beats the hell out of any item we've seen so far.

Is it more effective? Yes, it is. It gives an 8% bonus over VoG as well as 12 AC. As Qhue pointed out, you may not hit your haste cap with VoG and SS sure makes it a lot easier. For the vast majority, people will enjoy using this wand's effect everywhere. Maybe not sitting listening to your whining in VP for several hours, but they'll love you for the Spirit of the Shissar.

So quite whining, go about business your own way and discuss things rationally. You're obviously not making your point clearly.


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Diku Goldenmind
Gnomish Enchanter Extraordinaire
Fennin Ro - Unrestful Knights

[This message has been edited by Diku (edited 10-12-2000).]

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Ubar Drunkcaster
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posted October 12, 2000 09:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Im gonna have to agree with Eschaton and Boggs here, the duration makes the effect just about useless on large guild events such as VP, trak, etc. 12 min is just not long enough to use it even tho the haste is slightly faster, the chances of it wearing off at a key moment are too great. Then the whole raid would have to be held up while you rebuffed and you could miss your atk window for the mob etc, just too many things that can go wrong with its short duration, its not worth it imo, sure im oom after i buff all the tanks on the raid but do i really need mana? Prolly not, i usually dont do a great deal of crowd control on large raids anyway so most of my mana is devoted to buffing anyway. The effect is great for regular grouping but for large raids ill prolly still pull out VoG (havent gotten the staff yet since jeb wont spawn =\). If verant increased the duration to 30 min the spell would become very useful for large raids since the duration would no longer be an issue.

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Seel
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posted October 13, 2000 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Seel     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Not useful on large raids? Maybe not VP, understandably. But not useful at Trak, or VS, or quest fights?

Buff and get FM, line up your tanks, hit them all within 60 seconds, then engage or pull. I have yet to see even our most sloppy Trak fight go longer than 3 or 4 minutes.

Then there's the issue of haste/buffs being dispelled, as Qhue pointed out. With the Serpent, re-hasting in combat is quick and easy, and leaves your mana intact for runing.

I think maybe people are expecting SoTS to be the turnkey solution to all your hasting needs; it's not, but it sure covers most scenarios you'll encounter in EQ, even at 12 minutes.

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Qhue
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posted October 13, 2000 10:09 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Heh I also use the berserker series and in fact keep Bedlam memorized at almost all times. What can I say I like being able to sit down during a battle and finish meming a spell without worrying if a mob will hit me and disrupt the effort.

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Djindar
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posted October 13, 2000 11:11 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
the point i would like to make clear, is that its a real pain in the butt to constantly buff people. the 8% haste improvement is really only 5% percent faster than they were swinging anyway. is that worth losing (20 attack 25 dex, etc) and my sanity. i cant really say, and i dont think anyone else can either. some chanters handle buffing large groups really well and i take my hat off to them. personally i play for tactics, pushing the limits of my group, i hate large scale events.

assuming that u had multiple chanters with the item, so that u only had to buff ur own group, its a toss up between it and VoG on large events.

trak, VP dragons, dont care if u have a few more ac points.

when im in a single group dungeon crawl, sure i would go with shissar, the ac matters more then, stamina regen, etc

i dont think it sucks, i dont think its uber.
the resists make it nice, the rest of the stats and effect are just there, imo.

wanna make an uber weaopn ? then quit giving me things i can already do. give me invulnerability, give me a greater heal, ..

anyway have a good day
see ya around
Dj


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Zilor
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posted October 13, 2000 02:26 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I went to akanon to find Rilgor Plegnog, I took my friend (ranger) to track him down, we both were ami or app to most in akanon, we finally found Rilgor Plegnog the ranger walks close to him and he killed her, he hits for over 300. Anyways I am next to Rilgor and hail him and nothing happens and he says nothing? should I cast Collaboration on him and try to hail him again? or should I just click on him and start saying "What do you know about a mechanical pen?

Also I am KOS in Qeynos, will going invis be enough to get to Reania Jukle in the temple under Qeynos?

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Xaver Zaver
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posted October 13, 2000 04:20 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He wont respond to hails, just ask "What mechanical pen" or something to that liking and hell ask for you SMR.

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Zarion
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posted October 13, 2000 08:08 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Had a quick question for people that completed the quest. What was your faction with Jeb when you handed in the final item? Did you cast collaboration before turning it in? Just wondering if it's a way to get around doing the first part of the quest by using collab to get faction to where it needs to be.

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Aani
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posted October 13, 2000 08:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Ok complaints are now it's a 7 second cast time, and mixed in with a 12minute duration.. that combo is a bit disappointing. You're clicking and watching it cast a lot. But atleast clar1/2/bard song is working on you while you do it. Have the tanks come up, wave, and zap em if you're worried about buff cycles. Still I'd be lying if that 7 second cast time doesn't bother me now in the face of such a short buff duration.

That said.. **can we lose the flames and *****ing now**? Another thread should be opened to discuss if you still like it, think it sucks, or anywhere in between.

Back to the matters at hand.. we still have noone who reportedly skipped the first part of the quest to mention if it worked? I'm
guessing people might not in general heh.. it would be a matter of curiosity though.

I really need the opinion of someone who's done the whole thing, or atleast the charming.. can I handle everything with Allure being at 51? Do I need Boltran at 53? Will even that level be touch and go? Any opinions on the *minimum* level for these? I know 53 gets Boltran but of course I want it to actually work as well

Looking at Diku's it looks like I'll atleast need Boltran for Impaler Tzilung.. unless I didn't have to charm him. Levels aren't mentioned for the others though.. I'm guessing the Wraith will require Boltran or higher? Faelia Goldwing? I'm guessing the Spectral Librarian will fall to Allure?

As far as the other stuff goes, I would be likely one of the few enchanters there, so if 51 is a little low for the CC and other bits needed on a leg of it let me know. Outside the charm though I don't see any show stoppers.. outside needing multiple groups for several of the spawns.

Thanks for any help, cheers,
Aani

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Trippen
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posted October 14, 2000 01:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I conned Amiably when I turned in the final item to Jeb. Didn't bother with Benevolence or anything.

On the weapon, I'd have to agree with others, only real complaint about it is the duration of the Effect. 20-30 minute duration would make it a lot more useful. Sure it's easy to cast right before a big target, but having a longer duration really doesn't make it unbalanced, either.

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Mezmur
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posted October 14, 2000 02:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I finally got all 4 Staff Segments and ran to BW to finish the quest. The only problem is that JEB WON'T SPAWN! ^#%^#&%#. Is this PoS on a timer or do you have to kill Sarnaks for the rest of your life until he spawns?? Any info would help cause I have spent 14hrs with no luck gettin him to spawn and am about to sell my account in disgust haha. Thx all.

Mezmur
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Atuan
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posted October 15, 2000 03:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The blue Oracle robe they are discussion is the aphyx robe from VP. Its completely ugly with a horrible effect.

Anyways the duration is to short to be used on big events, its bad enough having to wait on the recycle time on VoG, having to cast SoTS every 12 minutes will make me nuts. Sure in 1 group xp runs, no big deal. But in large scale events the disorganization the extra buffing will cost alone is a pain, the added headaches make it not worth it. Basically I will use VoG if I am buffing more then 4 people. That being said, other then the duration I think the weapon is great. Then again I was only looking for resists gear in that slot and that filled it for me :P

AtuanDreamweaver
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Neurosiis3
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posted October 15, 2000 06:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Neurosiis3     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I crafted the Serpent on the Rathe, first one for our server. I'd like to extend my special thanks to all of you guys here. We have all played a positive role in bettering our class. GG all!

Neurosiis Niakkard
Enchanter of The Rathe
Brotherhood of the Spider

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WTF is up with this message board? Everytime I want to post something, I have to create a new username.

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shut-the-door!
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posted October 15, 2000 08:39 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neurosiis what robe are you wearing?

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Mynx
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posted October 16, 2000 10:35 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Neurosiis is wearing the Crimson Robe of Alendine. This comes off of Cazic Thule himself. It is rather rare.

Stats: 12 AC +50 MANA +50 HP +15 INT +15 DEX.

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Aelianna
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posted October 16, 2000 11:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aelianna     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Jeb Lumstead is really "a sarnak immitator" - he will respond to you if you say "are you jeb lumstead?" Not sure if the poster above was aware of that.

I completed the quest last night. I was amiable to Jeb since the previous faction hits for "truespirit" had bumped me up - I did not bother to use collaboration.

Thanks to all the enchanters for the fantasic collaborative work to solve this quest!

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Qhue
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posted October 16, 2000 12:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Otherwise known as the Newbie Mage robe.

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Djindar
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posted October 16, 2000 01:54 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well, lets set up another thread then for discussing ways to make this a better item and getting verant to listen. (cast time and duration, imo, need to change)

when is their tuning meeting supposed to take place and redo the weapons ?

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Sash
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posted October 16, 2000 10:09 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok I am STUMPED the Scorion master in Overthere is MIA for days and the GM says the quest is working but he hasnt popped and I cannot turn inmy Items is there a Secrect to make him spawn I have killed many scorpis's and Im at my wits end.

Please help anyone

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Eschaton
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posted October 17, 2000 02:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After using this wand plenty here is my final word on it:

Speed of the Shissar works fine when you are in the mood to rebuff every 10 minutes or so. Realize that if the buff drops for even 20 seconds during battle, the improvement over VoG will vape nearly instantly. This point was made earlier by someone.

This spell DID render all haste spells except visions completely obsolete. The other spells with their 15-20 minute durations are pointless to waste the mana on. All other haste are moved to the back of the spellbook. This includes the speed and aug series. It's even a great pet buff.

Before you question my logic... My buddies and I have made an art of OWNING this game in ways most can't possibly imagine. I think I have some idea about the usefulness of loot.

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Llarn
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posted October 17, 2000 09:49 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well said Eschaton.

I got my staff this morning. I would have had it last night but Modani was not up. I killed a few roaming scorps in the area for good measure and then logged. She was up when I logged on this morning and does not appear to have a placeholder - she's just intermittent, same as the sarnak imitator.

I'd like to thank EVERYONE who did work on this quest. This was a massive team effort by the enchanter community.

As for my contribution - doing the quest with Stofo is not necessary. I did the final turnin (and all prior turnins) without having gotten the coin. I did use Collaboration at every step. I also did the staff pieces out of order (3, 2, 4, 1). By the time I got to Polzin I was indifferent w/o collab. Modani was amiable, as was Jeb. I never got to warmly, even with Collaboration.

First staff on Bertoxxulous! Woot!

Llarn
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Qhue
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posted October 17, 2000 10:26 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Don't skip the coin part after the next patch... In fact a little bird told me make sure you re-read the quest text after the next patch as some parts of it may have changed (i.e. hand in the coin and the combined items to each master)

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Llarn
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posted October 17, 2000 12:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree Qhue - I really wanted to finish the quest before the next patch because I was sure they'd change the faction to solve that problem. If they make the coin required, you could still multi it though, with one coin for a group of enchanters.

I've heard rumors of multi-turnin not working for the epic quests, but I doubt they'd do that. It would mean that quite a few people would wind up SOL due to faction problems, especially on the PvP servers. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if they "fix" multi-ing quest items and then realize that they broke things in a new and interesting way.

Llarn
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Wielder of the Staff of the Serpent

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Calenor
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posted October 17, 2000 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Calenor     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Before you question my logic... My buddies and I have made an art of OWNING this game in ways most can't possibly imagine. I think I have some idea about the usefulness of loot.

K3WL DOODZ

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Qhue
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posted October 18, 2000 01:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I multi-quested the Paladin and Cleric Epics so far with people and those worked just duckily.

It probably helps that I have maxed out my True Spirit faction now.

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