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July 7, 2000

Milwaukee School Board Lawsuit

Disability Act
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Folk Duo: Peter & Lou Berryman
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Gas Crunch
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Farmers Dumping Milk

Wisconsin Poet
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THE FOLLOWING IS A PRESENTATION
OF WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.

PATTY LOEW
HELLO EVERYONE AND WELCOME TO "WEEKEND."  I'M PATTY
LOEW.  

JERRY HUFFMAN:
AND I'M JERRY HUFFMAN.  THE MILWAUKEE SCHOOL BOARD HAS
AUTHORIZED ITS ATTORNEYS TO SUE THE WISCONSIN
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION.  

LOEW:
AT ISSUE IS MORE THAN $6 MILLION TO COVER EARLY CHILDHOOD
PROGRAM COSTS.  TONIGHT, WE'LL TALK WITH THE SCHOOL
BOARD PRESIDENT, BRUCE THOMPSON.  

HUFFMAN:
ARE GAS PRICES DROPPING BECAUSE OF ALL THE HEARINGS AND
LAWSUITS OR IN SPITE OF THEM?  WE'LL TALK LATER WITH THE
LEADING GAS INDUSTRY ANALYST ABOUT HIS PERSPECTIVE.  

LOEW:
WE'LL ALSO MEET A WISCONSIN MAN WHO GIVES SPECIAL
MEANING TO INDEPENDENCE THIS 4TH OF JULY WEEK.  

HUFFMAN:
AND WE'LL TALK WITH THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF THE
SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION ABOUT THE STATUS OF THE
AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.  

LOEW:
ALL THAT AND MUCH MORE, PLUS MUSIC FROM THE UNOFFICIAL
WISCONSIN POET LAUREATES OF THE EVENING, LOU AND PETER
BERRYMAN.  TAKE IT AWAY BERRYMANS! 

ANNOUNCER:
IT'S "WEEKEND" FOR JULY 7.  ALSO TONIGHT, A "WEEKEND"
WELCOME TO OUR HOUSE BAND FOR TONIGHT, THE POETIC FOLK
MUSIC OF LOU AND PETER BERRYMAN.  THE BERRYMANS, OF
COURSE, WILL PERFORM AN ENTIRE NUMBER FOR US A LITTLE
LATER IN THE SHOW.  ALSO, LATER TONIGHT, MUSIC OF A
DIFFERENT SORT.  A PREVIEW OF A WISCONSIN CHAMBER
ORCHESTRA "CONCERT ON THE SQUARE," TO BE SEEN IN ITS
ENTIRETY LATER TONIGHT ON WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION. 
AND ON THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF WILLIAM PROXMIRE'S GOLDEN
FLEECE AWARDS THE "WEEKEND" POLITICAL PANEL HANDS OUT A
FEW GOLDEN FLEECES OF ITS OWN.  IT'S ALL COMING UP TONIGHT
ON "WEEKEND."  

PRODUCTION OF "WEEKEND" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY
LASERTECH, PROVIDING CUSTOMIZED LASER PRINTING AND
MAILING SERVICES TO BUSINESS, HEALTHCARE AND NONPROFIT
ORGANIZATIONS.  AND BY BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD,
WISCONSIN'S HEALTH CARE PARTNER FOR NEARLY 60 YEARS,
OFFERING CONSUMERS A CHOICE IN HEALTHCARE PLANS.  .  




LOEW:
LAST NIGHT, THE MILWAUKEE SCHOOL BOARD AUTHORIZED THE
CITY ATTORNEY TO PROCEED WITH A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE
STATE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION.  THE BOARD WANTS
THE STATE TO ADD $6.4 MILLION TO DISTRICT PROPERTY TAX
LEVIES.  THE MONIES WOULD BE USED TO COVER THE COSTS OF
MILWAUKEE'S EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAMS.  PROGRAMS WHICH
ARE REQUIRED BY THE STATE TO CONTINUE.  JOINING US NOW IN
MILWAUKEE IS BRUCE THOMPSON, THE PRESIDENT OF THE
MILWAUKEE SCHOOL BOARD.  THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.  

BRUCE THOMPSON:
HELLO, PATTY.  

LOEW:
THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC INSTRUCTION DECLINED TO
PARTICIPATE IN OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT BUT DID FAX
"WEEKEND" THIS STATEMENT.  
          "STATE SUPERINTENDENT BENSON HAS MADE
     NUMEROUS DECISIONS IN THE PAST TO PROVIDE
     FUNDING AND FLEXIBILITY TO ASSIST MPS IN MEETING
     THE NEEDS OF ITS CHILDREN, AND WE REGRET OUR
     INABILITY TO ASSIST MPS IN THIS MATTER.  HOWEVER,
     WE AND OTHERS WITH WHOM WE CONSULTED AT THE
     STATE LEVEL, BELIEVE THE LAW DOES NOT PERMIT
     THE INTERPRETATION MPS WISHES TO GIVE IT.  IF THE
     LEGISLATURE HAD INTENDED TO GIVE MPS THE
     AUTHORITY TO INCREASE TAXES TO SUPPORT THESE
     PROGRAMS, IT COULD HAVE EXPLICITLY DONE SO. 
     UNFORTUNATELY, IT DID NOT."

MR. THOMPSON, BEFORE WE TRY TO SORT THIS OUT, LET'S BACK
UP.  WHAT IS AT STAKE?  WHAT ARE THESE EARLY CHILDHOOD
PROGRAMS?  

THOMPSON:
THESE ARE PROGRAMS THAT ARE CALLED DESEG FUNDS BUT THEY
DON'T HAVE MUCH TO DO WITH DESEGREGATION, EXCEPT THAT
THEY CAME AT THE TIME OF DESEGREGATION.  THEY'RE
PROGRAMS FOR EARLY CHILDHOOD AND OTHER PROGRAMS. 
THOSE PROGRAMS AREN'T AT STAKE, BECAUSE THERE IS A
REQUIREMENT IN THE LAW THAT WE CONTINUE THOSE
PROGRAMS.  WHAT HAPPENED IN THE LAST BUDGET -- PREVIOUS
TO THAT THE STATE DIRECTLY FUNDED THOSE PROGRAMS.  IN THE
LAST BUDGET, THEY STOPPED FUNDING THEM BUT REQUIRED MPS
TO CONTINUE FUNDING THEM.  WE'RE UNDER REVENUE CAP, SO
THAT MEANS IF WE HAVE TO PAY ANOTHER $6.4 MILLION FOR
THOSE PROGRAMS, WE HAVE TO CUT INTO OUR OTHER PROGRAMS. 


LOEW:
THAT'S THE RUB ISN'T IT?  YOU WOULD LIKE TO INCREASE THE
PROPERTY TAXES TO COVER THAT $6.4 MILLION.  AND DPI IS
BASICALLY SAYING THAT'S ILLEGAL.  

THOMPSON:
RIGHT.  AND WE DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT, BECAUSE THEY HAVE
ALLOWED THAT SORT OF THING IN VERY SIMILAR CASES IN THE
PAST.  AND THAT'S ONE REASON I'M DISAPPOINTED JOHN BENSON
DECIDED NOT TO COME ON, BECAUSE WE WERE JUST WONDERING
WHETHER THEY'VE CHANGED THEIR POLICY OR THEY HAVE IT IN
FOR MILWAUKEE OR JUST WHAT'S GOING ON.  

LOEW:
IN A LETTER, SUPERINTENDENT BENSON ALLUDES TO AN
AGREEMENT THAT WAS SUPPOSEDLY STRUCK BETWEEN SOME
MILWAUKEE SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS AND MEMBERS OF THE
LEGISLATURE'S JOINT FINANCE COMMITTEE.  IT BASICALLY SAYS
THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS AGREED TO GIVE UP THIS $6.4 MILLION
IN EXCHANGE FOR SOME OTHER ITEMS IT WANTED.  IS THAT YOUR
UNDERSTANDING?  

THOMPSON:
WELL, THERE'S A LOT OF -- WE HAD A BIG EFFORT IN MADISON
LAST SPRING FOR THREE THINGS.  ONE WAS TO EXPAND THE SAGE
PROGRAM, THE EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAM.  A SECOND WAS TO
CHANGE THE FUNDING.  

LOEW:
I'M SORRY.  SAGE IS THE SMALL CLASSROOM PROGRAM RIGHT?  

THOMPSON:
YES.  I'M SORRY.  THAT'S RIGHT.  

LOEW:
THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE EARLY CHILDHOOD PROGRAMS?  

THOMPSON:
YES.  IT'S SEPARATE FUNDING.  I'M SORRY.  DID I SAY IT WRONG?  

LOEW:
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET IT STRAIGHT IN MY MIND. 

THOMPSON:
AND SO THE FUNDING OF THE CHOICE AND CHARTERS, BECAUSE
WE FELT THAT THAT WAS NOT VERY FAIR TO MILWAUKEE THE
WAY IT WAS WRITTEN.  THAT LED TO A $18 MILLION DECREASE IN
OUR TAXES.  AND THEN, THE THIRD ONE WAS WHAT'S CALLED THE
NEIGHBORHOOD SCHOOLS INITIATIVE, WHICH ALLOWS US TO TAKE
MONEY WE WERE ALREADY GIVEN FOR BUSSING, BUT TO USE
THAT TO EXPAND FACILITIES IN THE MOST OVER CROWDED AREAS. 
WE THOUGHT THAT PACKAGE WAS VERY VALUABLE.  AND AT
SOME POINT WE WERE PRESENTED WITH A CASE OF WHAT
HAPPENS IF WE CUT INTO THESE OTHER PROGRAMS?  IT WAS
ESSENTIALLY A SITUATION WHERE WE WERE TOLD THE WHOLE
PACKAGE WOULD GO DOWN WITHOUT THAT.  

LOEW:
SO THE BOARD MEMBERS AGREED TO GIVE UP THE $6.4 MILLION?  

THOMPSON:
WE FELT IT WAS WORTH WHILE DOING IT.  BUT WE ALSO FELT
THAT UNDER THE PRESENT LAW WE WOULD BE ABLE TO ADJUST
OUR REVENUE LIMIT ACCORDINGLY.  

LOEW:
OK.  SO, IT WAS AFTER DPI TOLD YOU THAT THIS WOULD BE
ILLEGAL TO GO ABOVE THE REVENUE CAPS AND SHIFT THIS TO AN
INCREASE IN PROPERTY TAXES, THIS WAS THE POINT AT WHICH
YOU DECIDED THAT LITIGATION WOULD BE YOUR BEST OPTION?  

THOMPSON:
ACTUALLY, WE ASKED FOR IT FOUR TIMES, INCLUDING WHEN THE
BUDGET WAS ISSUED.  AND WE JUST DECIDED THAT IT WAS TIME
TO GO INTO COURT, BECAUSE WE HAD A PRETTY STRONG OPINION
FROM OUR CITY ATTORNEY SAYING THAT JOHN BENSON WAS NOT
ONLY PERMITTED, BUT REQUIRED TO DO THIS.  AND I THINK IT'S
PRETTY CLEAR LOOKING AT THE LAW THAT HE IS.  

LOEW:
WE'VE RUN OUT OF TIME.  BUT VERY QUICKLY, WHERE DOES IT GO
FROM HERE?  WHAT'S THE TIMETABLE FOR THIS?  

THOMPSON:
THERE WILL BE SOME PERIOD -- ONE THING OUR CITY ATTORNEY
WANTS TO DO IS GET ALL OF THE INFORMATION FROM DPI ABOUT
WHAT THEY'VE DONE FOR OTHER DISTRICTS ON THIS ISSUE.  WE
LOOKED BACK AT OUR OWN REQUESTS AND WE HAVE SOME THAT
ARE VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO THIS IN WHICH THEY DID INCREASE
THE REVENUE LIMIT.  SO, WE'RE WONDERING IF THEY HAVE
CHANGED THEIR OVERALL POLICY FOR THE STATE AND HAVEN'T
TOLD ANYBODY OR JUST WHAT'S GOING ON.  BEFORE THE CITY
ATTORNEY ACTUALLY GOES INTO COURT, WE WANT TO GET MORE
INFORMATION.  

LOEW:
BRUCE THOMPSON OF THE MILWAUKEE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE
PRESIDENT OF THE MILWAUKEE SCHOOL BOARD, THANK YOU SO
MUCH FOR JOINING US.  

THOMPSON:
THANK YOU. 

ANNOUNCER:
AND AS WE LISTEN TO THE MUSIC OF LOU AND PETER BERRYMAN,
WE'LL REMIND YOU THAT YOU CAN ALWAYS GET MORE
INFORMATION ON ALL OF THE TOPICS YOU SEE ON TONIGHT'S
SHOW, INCLUDING CONCERT INFO ON OUR MUSICAL GUESTS LOU
AND PETER BERRYMAN BY LOGGING ONTO THE "WEEKEND" WEB
SITE AT WWW.WPT.ORG/WEEKEND

COMING UP NEXT ON "WEEKEND," MILK DUMPING PROTESTS THIS
WEEK CALL ATTENTION TO A LINGERING DAIRY DILEMMA -- MILK
PRICES.  THAT STORY IN OUR LOCAL LISTING.  BUT FIRST, A STORY
OF INDEPENDENCE AND INSPIRATION.  THAT'S NEXT ON
"WEEKEND." .  





HUFFMAN:
THE BERRYMANS.  IT'S BEEN A GOOD WEEK TO THINK ABOUT
INDEPENDENCE.  INDEPENDENCE IS SOMETHING WE AMERICANS
CHERISH AS PART OF OUR IDENTITY.  THERE IS A YOUNG MAN
FROM MONROE WHO'S TAUGHT ME A LOT ABOUT INDEPENDENCE
THIS WEEK.  THREE YEARS AGO, NATE KNOKE FELL DOWN A
MOUNTAIN AND NEARLY DIED.  SINCE THEN, HE'S BEEN ON A ROAD
TO RECOVERY THAT WOULD HAVE STOPPED MOST PEOPLE.  BUT
THEN AGAIN NATE ISN'T LIKE MOST PEOPLE.  

NATE KNOKE IS THE PERFECT GOLF PARTNER.  (nate swings at and
drives golf ball)
OH, NATE! WHOA! WHERE'D YOU GET THAT?  

KNOKE IS A SOLID PLAYER WHO HAS A WAY OF MAKING YOU FEEL
GOOD ABOUT YOUR OWN GAME.  

NATE KNOKE :
LOOKING SHOT, JERRY.  GREAT UP.  WOW.  

HUFFMAN:
BUT HE ALSO WIELDS A STRONG NEEDLE -- WHINE TOO MUCH AND
YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT IT.  

KNOKE :
(joking/mocking) I DIDN'T GET AN EAGLE.  OH, BOO HOO! 

HUFFMAN:
NATE IS THE KIND OF PERSON YOU WANT FOR A FRIEND.  

KNOKE :
I HAD CONFIDENCE.  

HUFFMAN:
CONFIDENCE IS A VERY GOOD WORD TO DESCRIBE THIS YOUNG
MAN.  HE SURVIVED A DEVASTATING FALL DOWN A MOUNTAIN,
AND IN MANY WAYS IS STRONGER NOW THAN BEFORE THE
ACCIDENT.  

KNOKE :
MY MIND WASN'T WORKING WELL ENOUGH WHERE I COULD SIT
AND THINK.  GOSH, IT'S GOING TO BE LIKE THIS FOREVER.  ALL I
WAS THINKING ABOUT IS WHERE AM I, WHY IS THIS GOING ON? 
WHAT CAN I DO TO GET BETTER?  

HUFFMAN:
IT WAS THREE YEARS AGO THAT NATE, HIS FUTURE FATHER-IN-
LAW AND A FRIEND WENT HIKING IN MONTANA'S GLACIER
NATIONAL PARK.  THESE ARE PICTURES FROM THAT TRIP.  THREE
FRIENDS ON TOP OF THE WORLD ENJOYING LIFE.  NATE'S THE ONE
IN THE RED BASEBALL CAP.    AND NO ONE KNEW THAT ONE BAD
STEP WS ABOUT TO SEND HIM ON THE LONGEST JOURNEY OF HIS
LIFE.  

KNOKE:
I BEGAN SLIDING DOWN THE ICE PATCH.  AND YOU KNOW, BUILT
UP ENOUGH SPEED THAT WHEN THE ICE ENDED, I WAS STILL GOING
DOWN THE ROCKS, DOWN THE SIDE OF THE MOUNTAIN. 
FORTUNATELY, I CAME TO REST AT THE BASE OF A LARGE
BOULDER.  

HUFFMAN:
NATE HAD JUST BOUNCED 500 FEET DOWN THE SIDE OF A
MOUNTAIN.  THE BOULDER HAD BROKEN HIS FALL, BUT EVERYONE
FEARED THE WORSE.  

KNOKE:
RICHARD, MARYANN'S FATHER, THOUGHT FOR SURE THERE WAS
NO WAY I WAS ALIVE WHEN I STOPPED.  HE THOUGHT HE WAS
GOING TO HAVE TO GO BACK HOME AND TELL MARIANNE THAT I
HAD DIED ON THE MOUNTAIN.  

MARYANN KNOKE:
I SAID, WHAT DO YOU MEAN HE FELL?  HE BROKE A LEG, WHAT? 
AND NO,  IT WAS A LOT MORE SERIOUS THAN THAT.  HE'S BEING
TAKEN BY HELICOPTER TO THE HOSPITAL.  AND AT THAT POINT,
ESSENTIALLY I JUST LET OUT SOME BLOOD CURDLING SCREAMS. 
THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD HEARD ME.  

HUFFMAN:
NATE WAS STILL ALIVE, BUT IN A COMA.  FOR TWO WEEKS, FAMILY
AND FRIENDS WATCHED FOR ANY SIGN OF LIFE.  

LAURIE KNOKE, :
ALL OF A SUDDEN HIS EYES FLEW OPEN.  AND WE KNEW THAT HE
WAS WAKING UP AT THAT POINT.  AND IT WAS THAT NEXT
MONDAY THAT WE FLEW BACK TO WISCONSIN.  AND THEN, HE
WAS IN MERITER FOR A COUPLE MONTHS.  AND EVERY DAY WAS
SOMETHING GREAT THAT HAPPENED ON THE ROAD TO RECOVERY.  

NURSE/OCCUPATIONAL THERAPIST:
WE USED TO GET NATE ON A PIECE OF FOAM THAT WOULD MAKE
IT TOUGH FOR HIM TO BALANCE.  

HUFFMAN:
THIS IS WHERE NATE STARTED PUTTING HIS LIFE BACK TOGETHER. 
ONCE A COLLEGE ATHLETE, NATE WAS NOW A TRAUMATIC BRAIN
INJURY SURVIVOR LEARNING TO LIVE ALL OVER AGAIN.  

KNOKE:
BACK THEN, IT WAS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO BALANCE LIKE
THIS.  

HUFFMAN:
BY HIS OWN ADMISSION, NATE WASN'T ALWAYS THE NICEST
PERSON.  BUT THE NEW NATE WAS DIFFERENT.  

MARYANN:
AND EVERY DAY HE GAVE ME A REASON TO STAY BECAUSE EVERY
DAY HE WOULD SQUEEZE MY HAND WHEN HE HADN'T DONE IT THE
DAY BEFORE AND WIGGLE, YOU KNOW, THE DOCTOR WOULD SAY
WIGGLE YOUR RIGHT FOOT AND HE'D MOVE HIS RIGHT FOOT.  AND
HE JUST KEPT COMING ALONG FOR ME, IT FELT LIKE.  AND HE KEPT
ME AND HIS MOM AND EVERYONE ELSE GOING BY HEALING AND
RECOVERING.  

HUFFMAN:
NATE AND MARYANN WROTE WHAT TO MANY WOULD HAVE BEEN
THE PERFECT ENDING TO THIS STORY.  A YEAR AGO, THEY WENT
BACK TO MONTANA, BUT THIS TIME TO GET MARRIED.  

MARYANN:
IT WAS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL DAY OF MY LIFE.  

HUFFMAN:
IN LESS THAN TWO YEARS, NATE'S LIFE HAD GONE FROM
NEWSPAPER HEADLINES ABOUT HIS FALL TO CRACKING JOKES
ABOUT THE ACCIDENT.  

KNOKE:
I COULD BE A LOT MORE UGLY THAN I AM NOW.  

HUFFMAN:
WERE YOU ALWAYS THIS FUNNY BEFORE THE ACCIDENT?  

KNOKE:
NO.  THAT WAS ANOTHER THING.  MY DAD SAYS I HAD AN
IMPROVED SENSE OF HUMOR, BECAUSE I WAS ALWAYS CRACKING
JOKES IN THE HOSPITAL.  

HUFFMAN:
THE NATE WHO CAME OUT OF THE HOSPITAL HAD CHANGED.  ONE
GOLF BUDDY SAYS HIS FRIEND WAS NOW A NICER PERSON.  

JASON SCHLEIP:
YOU WOULD BE TOO IF YOU FELL OFF A MOUNTAIN AND
EVERYTHING CAME OUT PRETTY MUCH ALL RIGHT AFTERWARDS. 
THERE'S NO REASON NOT TO BE OPTIMISTIC.  

HUFFMAN:
THERE IS ONE MORE SIDE TO NATE WE HAVEN'T TOLD YOU ABOUT
YET.  HE'S BACK AT WORK USING HIS ENGINEERING BACKGROUND
TO COORDINATE PARTS HANDLING FOR A NASA SPACE SHUTTLE
PROJECT.  

JON FRANKE:
NASA HAS VERY STRICT REQUIREMENTS ON US, AND IF YOU DON'T
DO ONE OF THOSE SPECIFIC JOBS, YOU WON'T BE ABLE TO FLY
SPACE FLIGHT HARDWARE.  SO, SO EVERY ASPECT IS IMPORTANT. 
AND HE AS MUCH A PART OF IT AS ANYBODY ELSE IN TERMS OF
MAKING THIS A SUCCESS.  

HUFFMAN:
SUCCESS IS ONCE AGAIN A BENCHMARK OF NATE'S LIFE.  HIS
RECOVERY IS INSPIRATIONAL, HIS OPTIMISM CONTAGIOUS AND HE
HAS A NEW GOAL.  

THE MAN WHO FELL DOWN A MOUNTAIN NOW SAYS HE WANTS TO
RUN A MARATHON.  

KNOKE:
AND RIGHT NOW, IT'S A LONG WAYS OFF.  BUT I FEEL THAT THAT'S
SOMETHING THAT I COULD DO.  AND ALL I HAVE TO DO IS GET
THAT FIRST MILE UNDER MY BELT.  

HUFFMAN:
A JOURNEY LIKE MANY OTHERS IN NATE'S LIFE THAT HE WON'T
HAVE TO TAKE ALONE.  

NATE KNOKE IS JUST ONE OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO HAVE
FOUND THEIR WAY BACK INTO THE WORKPLACE AFTER A
TRAUMATIC ACCIDENT.  COINCIDENTALLY, IT WAS 10 YEARS AGO
THIS MONTH THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT WAS SIGNED
INTO LAW.  IT'S HAD A DRAMATIC IMPACT IN THE WORKPLACE AND
IN EVERY DAY LIFE FOR MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.  MADISON IS ONE OF
24 CITIES NATIONWIDE PICKED TO HIGHLIGHT THE ADA
ANNIVERSARY WITH A VARIETY OF EVENTS.  

THIS AFTERNOON, I SPOKE WITH THE DEPUTY COMMISSIONER OF
THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION.  WE TALKED ABOUT ADA
AND THE ROLE HIS ADMINISTRATION PLAYS IN ENFORCING IT. 
HERE'S THE CONVERSATION.  MR.  HALTER, WE'VE SEEN THE STORY
ABOUT NATE AND HOW HE PUT HIMSELF INTO A POSITION TO GET
BACK INTO THE WORKING WORLD.  WHAT IS SOCIAL SECURITY
DOING TO HELP PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES MAKE THAT
TRANSITION AS EASY AS POSSIBLE?  

WILLIAM HALTER:
WE'RE RIGHT NOW IN THE MIDDLE OF IMPLEMENTATION OF A VERY
SIGNIFICANT PIECE OF LEGISLATION SIGNED BY THE PRESIDENT
ACTUALLY AT THE FDR MEMORIAL IN DECEMBER OF LAST YEAR. 
IT'S CALLED THE TICKET TO WORK AND WORK INCENTIVES
IMPROVEMENT ACT.  WHAT THAT DOES IS IT AFFORDS PEOPLE
WITH DISABILITIES SEVERAL NEW OPTIONS TO RETAIN THEIR
HEALTHCARE COVERAGE WHEN THEY GO BACK TO WORK.  WE'RE
ALSO ESTABLISHING SOME EMPLOYMENT SUPPORT PROGRAMS AT
THE SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION.  AND, IN FACT, HERE IN
MADISON WE WILL HAVE ONE OF OUR FIRST EMPLOYEES WHO WAS
DEVOTED TO THAT TASK.  WE'RE VERY EXCITED ABOUT IT.  WE
THINK IT WILL AFFORD PEOPLE NEW OPPORTUNITIES THAT -- NEW
OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE WHO WISH TO WORK TO GET BACK
INTO THE WORKFORCE?  

HUFFMAN:
LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT ISSUE OF HEALTHCARE.  LOSING
BENEFITS WAS A BIG ISSUE.  

HALTER:
ABSOLUTELY.  

HUFFMAN:
IS IT NO LONGER AN ISSUE UNDER THE NEW LAW?  

HALTER:
WELL, WHAT WE'VE GOT UNDER THE LAW IS THE OPPORTUNITY
FOR STATES TO SET UP PROGRAMS WHEREBY THEY PROVIDE
MEDICAID COVERAGE TO INDIVIDUALS WHO HAVE DISABILITIES IF
THEY GO BACK INTO THE WORKFORCE.  AND THE HOPE IS THAT
THEY WILL PROVIDE THOSE OPPORTUNITIES FOR UP TO FIVE
YEARS.  SO IT'S AN ISSUE THAT WE'VE SEEN IN THE PAST AND
CLEARLY INHIBITS PEOPLE FROM GOING BACK TO WORK.  WE'D
LIKE TO REMOVE THAT ISSUE.  IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT PIECE OF
LEGISLATION THAT WAS PASSED LAST YEAR.  

HUFFMAN:
WHICH IS HARDER OR THE BIGGER CHALLENGE?  EDUCATING THE
POTENTIAL EMPLOYER OR EMPLOYEE ABOUT THE REALITIES OF
THE SITUATION?  

HALTER:
WELL, I THINK THEY'RE BOTH CHALLENGES, BUT WE FEEL GOOD
ABOUT THE STRIDES WE'VE TAKEN IN THAT AREA.  FOR EXAMPLE,
WE'VE LAUNCHED A NEW WEB SITE WHICH WE CALL THE WORK
SITE.  YOU CAN GO TO THAT AT WWW.SSA.GOV AND AT THAT SITE
YOU CAN CLICK ON AND FIND OUT A WHOLE HOST OF
INFORMATION ABOUT PROGRAMS, RESOURCES THAT ARE
AVAILABLE TO FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES TO HELP ENCOURAGE
THEM TO GET BACK INTO THE WORKFORCE, TO HELP THEM WITH
THAT PROCESS.  THERE'S ALSO INFORMATION THERE FOR
ADVOCATES AND EMPLOYERS AND WE THINK PEOPLE WILL TAKE
ADVANTAGE OF THIS.  

HUFFMAN:
DO WE NEED THE ADA MORE NOW THAN WE DID 10 YEARS AGO
WHEN IT CAME INTO LAW?  

HALTER:
I THINK WE STILL NEED THE ADA.  ONE OF THE REASONS I'M HERE
IN MADISON IS TO PARTICIPATE IN A CELEBRATION OF THE 10TH
ANNIVERSARY OF THE AMERICANS WITH DISABILITIES ACT.  WE
HAD A CEREMONY TODAY IN WHICH A TORCH WAS ACTUALLY
PASSED IN A RELAY AND MANY OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN THAT
RELAY WERE FOLKS WITH DISABILITIES.  BUT CLEARLY THERE IS A
LOT MORE TO DO IN HELPING TO GET PEOPLE WHO HAVE
DISABILITIES BACK INTO THE WORKFORCE AND ALSO TO MAKE
SURE THAT THEY HAVE ACCESS TO ALL OF THE OPPORTUNITIES
THAT WE WANT EVERY AMERICAN TO HAVE TO BE FULLY
PARTICIPATIVE IN ALL ACTIVITIES IN LIFE.  MUCH LEFT TO DO BUT
WE'RE WORKING ON IT.  

HUFFMAN:
CAN YOU PINPOINT ANY ONE AREA OF THE ADA THAT IS UNDER
UTILIZED?  

HALTER:
ACTUALLY, I WOULD SAY THAT WHAT WE NEED IS TO HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY FOR EVERYONE TO SORT OF FULLY EMBRACE AND
FULLY UTILIZE ALL OF THE ASPECTS OF THE ADA THAT ARE THERE,
RATHER THAN FOCUSING ON ANY ONE PARTICULAR THING.  AND
AT SOCIAL SECURITY WE ARE VERY FOCUSED ON THIS NEW
LEGISLATION AND HELPING PEOPLE GET INTO THE WORKFORCE,
PARTICULARLY THOSE FOLKS WHO HAVE INDICATED THEY WANT
TO WORK.  YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE AMAZING THINGS THAT'S
HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS IN THE LAST SEVEN AND A HALF YEARS
OF THE CLINTON-GORE ADMINISTRATION WE'VE ADDED 18 MILLION
JOBS IN THE ECONOMY.  AND YET STILL, THE RATE OF
UNEMPLOYMENT AMONG ADULTS THAT HAVE DISABILITIES IS FAR
TOO HIGH.  IT EXCEEDS 70%.  WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS
ENCOURAGE BOTH GOVERNMENT AGENCIES AND PRIVATE SECTOR
EMPLOYERS TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE SKILL SETS THAT ARE
AVAILABLE WITH THESE FOLKS WHO REALLY DO WANT TO WORK.  

HUFFMAN:
LET'S SWITCH DIRECTION.  OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS YOU'LL HAVE
76 MILLION OF US BABY BOOMERS COMING INTO THE SYSTEM.  

HALTER:
RIGHT.  

HUFFMAN:
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO COPE WITH THAT?  

HALTER:
WELL, WE'RE GETTING PREPARED ON A NUMBER OF FRONTS.  ONE
OF THEM IS TO TRY TO PROVIDE OUR SERVICES AS MUCH AS WE
CAN VIA ELECTRONIC MEANS AND TO GET INFORMATION OUT AND
TO GET THE WORD OUT ABOUT OUR PROGRAMS THAT WAY.  I
MENTIONED THE WEB SITE AT WWW.SSA.GOV.  PEOPLE CAN GO
THERE TO GET INFORMATION ABOUT OUR PROGRAMS.  IN
ADDITION, THEY CAN SUBSCRIBE TO A FREE ELECTRONIC
NEWSLETTER CALLED SOCIAL SECURITY E-NEWS.  ALL YOU NEED
TO DO IS GO TO THE WEB SITE, PROVIDE YOUR E-MAIL ADDRESS. 
WE'LL SEND YOU A MONTHLY PUBLICATION VIA THE WEB TELLING
YOU ABOUT CHANGES IN THE PROGRAM.  IN ADDITION TO THAT, IN
PREPARING FOR RETIREMENT IF YOU GO TO OUR WEB SITE CLICK
ON OUR RETIREMENT PLANNER, PROVIDE US SOME INFORMATION
ABOUT WHAT YOUR SALARY LEVEL IS EXPECTED TO BE IN THE
FUTURE, AS WELL AS THE DATE THAT YOU EXPECT TO RETIRE. 
WE'LL SEND BACK TO YOU AN ESTIMATE OF WHAT YOUR SOCIAL
SECURITY BENEFITS WILL BE AT THAT TIME.  

HUFFMAN:
ELECTRONICALLY, YOU CAN DO A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT MORE
ONLINE THAN IN THE OLD FASHIONED WAY.  

HALTER:
ABSOLUTELY.  

HUFFMAN:
IS THAT THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE?  

HALTER:
I BELIEVE THAT IT IS AND WE'RE WORKING HARD ON IT NOW.  I
WOULD POINT OUT, THOUGH, JERRY, THAT WE STILL WANT TO
CONTINUE TO SERVE OUR CUSTOMERS IN THE WAY THEY WISH TO
BE SERVED.  IF THEY WANT TO COME INTO OUR FIELD OFFICE,
WE'LL STILL BE THERE FOR THEM.  IF THEY WANT TO CALL US ON
THE PHONE WE'LL BE THERE FOR THAT, BUT ELECTRONICALLY IS A
NEW WAY.  

HUFFMAN:
BILL HALTER SOCIAL SECURITY COMMISSION.  THANK YOU FOR
YOUR TIME.  

HALTER:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  

ANNOUNCER:
STILL TO COME ON "WEEKEND," WE'LL HEAR MORE FROM OUR
MUSICAL GUESTS, PETER AND LOU BERRYMAN.  AND MUSIC OF A
DIFFERENT SORT, AS WELL, A PREVIEW OF THE WISCONSIN PUBLIC
TELEVISION'S BROADCAST OF THE WISCONSIN CHAMBER
ORCHESTRA'S "CONCERT ON THE SQUARE" THIS PAST WEDNESDAY. 
WE'LL ALSO INTRODUCE YOU TO THE ORCHESTRA'S NEW MUSIC
DIRECTOR ANDREW SEWEL.  MUSIC AND MORE MUSIC COMING UP
ON "WEEKEND." 





LOEW:
YOU GUYS HAVE WAY TOO MUCH FUN.  YOU'VE BEEN HEARING
BITS AND PIECES OF OUR MUSICAL GUESTS TONIGHT.  NOW WE
WANT TO HAVE THEM SANG ENTIRE SONG.  IT'S FROM THEIR CD,
"SOME KIND OF FUNNY."  LOU AND PETER BERRYMAN.  YOU HAVE
TO HELP US SET UP THIS SONG THOUGH.  IT'S A GOOD ONE.  

LOU BERRYMAN:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH PATTY.  THIS IS A WORD GAME SONG.  IT'S
SORT OF A SURPRISE WE HAVEN'T DONE MORE OF THIS.  WE LOVE
THE WAY WORDS FIT TOGETHER AND WHAT THEY MEAN.  AND
YOU'LL HEAR A LOT OF THAT IN THIS NEXT SONG.  THE WORD
GAME INSTRUCTIONS ARE IN THE FIRST VERSE OF THE SONG.  

PETER BERRYMAN:
IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH ROMANCE.  

LOEW:
TAKE IT AWAY LOU AND PETER BERRYMAN.  

LOU BERRYMAN:
IT'S CALLED "ODD MAN OUT." 

IF YOUR LOVER WON'T COME OVER
AND WHEN YOU CALL THEY'RE ABOUT AS WARM AS AN ICE CUBE
AND YOUR DECK OF CARDS IS LOST
AND IT'S RAINING
AND THERE'S NOTHING GOOD ON THE BOOB TUBE
HERE'S A GAME YOU PLAY ALONE
AND YOU NEVER HAVE TO LEAVE THE WARMTH OF YOUR
ARMCHAIR
IT'S YOUR JOB TO TRY AND FIGURE OUT
WHICH WORD IN EACH GROUPING DOESN'T BELONG THERE

HARPO, RINGO, ZORRO, JULIO, ZEPPO, CHICO, STUCCO, MARIO,
GROUCHO.

MERCURY, VENUS, EARTH, MARS, JUPITER, SATURN, NEPTUNE, PET
WORLD, URANUS, PLUTO.

ONE PAIR, TWO PAIR, MAYONNAISE, THREE OF A KIND, STRAIGHT
FLUSH,
FULL HOUSE, FOUR OF A KIND, STRAIGHT FLUSH.

CAR THEFT, ROBBERY, MUGGING, BURGLARY, ROMANCE, HIJACK,
ARSON, LARCENY, HAIR BRUSH.  

ALPHA, BETA, GAMMA, EPSILON, DELTA, ZETA, THETA, DRACULA,
SIGMA.  

AIRIES, VIRGO, LEO, GEMINI, CANCER, TAURUS, NISSAN,
CAPRICORN, LIBRA.  

MONET, MANET, VAN GOGH, SALVADOR DALI, SNEEZEY, CEZZANE,
DELACROIX, RENOIR.  

EARTHQUAKE, TYPHOON, MUDSLIDE, HURRICANE, ROMANCE,
BLIZZARD, FIRE STORM, TIDAL WAVE, NUT BAR.  

SISTER, BROTHER, FATHER, SON-IN-LAW, UNCLE, COUSIN, NEPHEW,
W, DAUGHTER.  

WHISKEY, VODKA, CHAMPAIGN, CREME DE MENTHE, BRANDY,
OUZO, PERNOD, MUSCATEL, WATER.  

SOUTHEAST, NORTHWEST, NORTHEAST, NORTH BY NORTHWEST,
DUE NORTH, DUE EAST, DREW BARRYMORE, DUE SOUTH.  

HEADACHE, EARACHE, HEARTBURN, STOMACH FLU, ROMANCE,
TOOTHACHE, SORE THROAT, MUSCLE ACHE, BIG MOUTH.  

FREON, NEON, XENON, OREGON.   

COTTON, RAYON, ORLON, ALANON.  

PHONE RING, EARRING, GOLD RING, SLOBBERING.  

HARDEES, WENDY'S, RABIES, BURGER KING.  

TOASTER, FREEZER, WASHER, OPENER, BLENDER, MIXER, ANGER,
VEGETABLE, STEAMER.  

HIP BONE, HEEL BONE, TAIL BONE, FIBULA, CHEEK BONE, JAW
BONE, TROMBONE, SCAPULA, FEMUR. 

DESK LAMP FLASH LIGHT LANTERN PHOTO FLOOD HEADLIGHT
DOME LIGHT NIGHT LIGHT CELLULITE SUN LAMP. 

PUZZLER, BAFFLER, CIPHER, CRYPTOGRAM, ROMANCE, RIDDLE,
MYSTERY, QUESTION MARK, OFF RAMP.  

PUZZLER, BAFFLER, CIPHER, CRYPTOGRAM, ROMANCE, RIDDLE,
MYSTERY, QUESTION MARK, OFF RAMP.  

ANNOUNCER:
THANKS ONCE AGAIN TO OUR MUSICAL GUESTS LOU AND PETER
BERRYMAN.  DID YOU GET ALL THE WORDS?  STILL TO COME
TONIGHT ON "WEEKEND" STATE FARMERS ARE PROTESTING LOW
MILK PRICES, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO PAYING FOR GAS, LOW
PRICES ARE NOT THE PROBLEM.  PETROLEUM RESEARCH ANALYST
GEORGE GASPAR JOINS US NEXT TO EXAMINE THE GLOBAL
CONNECTIONS TO GAS PRICES IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD.  

LOOKING AT GAS PRICES AROUND THE STATE AGAIN THIS WEEK, IN
SUPERIOR THE AVERAGE PRICE OF UNLEADED IS DOWN TO $1.70,
COMPARED TO $1.77 LAST WEEK.  GREEN BAY RESIDENTS ARE
SHELLING OUT ABOUT $1.73, DOWN FROM $1.79 LAST FRIDAY. 
MADISON DRIVERS ARE PAYING ABOUT $1.67 A GALLON,
COMPARED TO $1.75 LAST WEEK.  AND FINALLY, MILWAUKEE
CITIZENS, WHO PAY SOME OF THE HIGHEST PRICES IN THE STATE,
ARE LOOKING AT $1.72, DOWN FROM $1.80 LAST WEEK.  source: AAA





HUFFMAN:
GAS PRICES ARE DOWN A BIT THIS WEEK, BUT HOW MUCH MORE
CAN WE HOPE FOR?  SOME ARGUE PRICES WILL DROP LOWER IF
OPEC PRODUCES MORE OIL.  OTHERS WANT LOWER GAS TAXES
AND STILL OTHERS WANT THE EPA TO DROP THE REFORMULATED
GAS REQUIREMENT.  JOINING US NOW FROM MILWAUKEE TO
EXAMINE THE LARGER GLOBAL ENERGY SCENE AND HOW THAT'S
AFFECTING FUEL COSTS IS GEORGE GASPAR WHO IS A PETROLEUM
RESEARCH ANALYST FOR THE MILWAUKEE INVESTMENT FIRM
ROBERT W.  BAIRD AND COMPANY.  WELCOME.  

GEORGE GASPAR:
GOOD EVENING.  

HUFFMAN:
EARLIER THIS WEEK YOU WERE QUOTED WIDELY AS SAYING YOU
WERE AFRAID PRICES WOULD STAY HIGH.  ARE YOU STILL
CONCERNED?  

GASPAR:
WELL, I THINK SO.  BASICALLY, WE'RE GETTING A DECLINE IN PRICE
AT THIS POINT BECAUSE THERE'S MORE RFG-2 GASOLINE ENTERING
THE MARKET AND THE REFINERS ARE FINALLY STARTING TO
CATCH UP WITH THE DEMAND.  WE'VE HAD A DECLINE IN THE
PRICE OF CRUDE OF ABOUT $2.50 A BARREL OFF THE OPEC HIGH OF
A WEEK AGO.  BUT WE THINK THAT THE PRICE OF OPEC CRUDE
CAN COME DOWN, PROBABLY, $3 TO $4 FROM THE $30 LEVEL OVER
THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS TO TWO MONTHS.  

HUFFMAN:
IF WE GET INTO THAT MID $20 RANGE FOR OIL, IS THAT, IF YOU
WILL, A MORE CONSUMER FRIENDLY PRICE AS OPPOSED TO THE $31
OR $32 A BARREL WE SAW FOR A WHILE?  

GASPAR:
I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY QUESTION THAT IT IS MORE
FRIENDLY.  I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS OPEC HAS BECOME VERY
CONCERNED ABOUT, PARTICULARLY SAUDI ARABIA, IS THAT
THEY'RE BEGINNING TO POTENTIALLY SEE A DECLINE IN DEMAND
IN THE WORLD, DUE TO THIS $32 RAW CRUDE PRICE.  AND I THINK
THEY'VE HAD THE MESSAGE COME THROUGH LOUD AND CLEAR
FROM THE UNITED STATES THAT THEY HAVE TO TRY TO BRING IT
DOWN IF THEY CAN.  

HUFFMAN:
HAVE WE THE MEDIA MADE THIS PROBLEM WORSE THAN IT
REALLY IS OR WAS DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO PHRASE IT?  

GASPAR:
WELL, I THINK THE MEDIA WAS JUST WORKING ON THE
CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE MARKET, WHICH WERE VERY DIFFICULT. 
WE HAD A LOT OF INFLUENCES ON GASOLINE, PARTICULARLY IN
THE RFG AREA, MILWAUKEE AND CHICAGO HERE, FOR A PERIOD OF
TIME IN THE LAST MONTH AND A HALF THAT WERE VERY
UNUSUAL.  AND UNFORTUNATELY, EPA INSTITUTED RFG-2
GASOLINE AT THE WRONG TIME WITH OIL PRICES AS HIGH AS THEY
WERE AND THE INVENTORY JUST WASN'T THERE AT THE
BEGINNING.  AND THAT COMBINATION REALLY THREW A MONKEY
WRENCH SO TO SPEAK IN THE AVERAGING PRICE OF GASOLINE.  

HUFFMAN:
AS FAR AS THE OIL EXPORTATION, IS IT A GOOD TIME FOR THE
ADMINISTRATION TO LOOK AT EITHER CHANGING OR ELIMINATING
THE SANCTIONS AGAINST IRAQ?  

GASPAR:
WELL, THAT'S A VERY PARTICULARLY TENUOUS QUESTION.  I
THINK THAT WE'RE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE THE SANCTIONS
REALLY HAVE LOST THEIR VALIDNESS, SO TO SPEAK.  I BELIEVE AT
THIS POINT, WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT THE ELIMINATION OF
THE SANCTIONS.  WE'RE ALLOWING IRAQ TO PRODUCE AS MUCH
CRUDE AS THEY CAN RIGHT NOW.  AND QUITE FRANKLY, IF
SADDAM HUSSEIN DECIDED TO REALLY DO THE U.S. IN, ALL HE
WOULD HAVE TO DO IS CUT HIS EXPORTS OF CRUDE RIGHT NOW
AND WE WOULD FEEL THE PRICE AT $35 TO $40 A BARREL.  

HUFFMAN:
DO YOU THINK IRAQ WOULD EVER DO THAT?  

GASPAR:
WELL, THERE IS SOME FEELING THAT MAYBE HE HAS SOMETHING
IN MIND GOING TOWARD THE ELECTION THIS FALL.  WE WOULD
HOPE THAT IS NOT THE CASE.  AND I THINK IT CONCERNS THE REST
OF OPEC.  THAT'S WHY I THINK EARLY THIS WEEK, SAUDI ARABIA
DECIDED TO TAKE IT UPON THEMSELVES TO ISSUE AN EDICT TO
THE REST OF OPEC THAT THEY WERE GOING TO INCREASE
PRODUCTION BY 500,000 BARRELS A DAY REGARDLESS OF
WHETHER THE REST OF OPEC WAS GOING TO GO ALONG WITH IT
OR NOT.  

HUFFMAN:
THE FTC INVESTIGATION, IN TERMS OF PRICE FIXING AND
COLLUSION AND PRICE GOUGING, HAVE YOU SEEN ANY
INDICATIONS THAT THERE IS ANY VALIDITY TO THAT
ACCUSATION?  

GASPAR:
IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO MEASURE IF THERE IS PRICE GOUGING. 
YOU KNOW, THIS IS AN ONGOING THING.  EVERY TIME THERE IS A
HUGE SURGE IN THE PRICE OF GASOLINE, THERE IS AN
INVESTIGATION.  IT HAPPENED IN CALIFORNIA A YEAR AND A HALF
AGO AND NOTHING CAME OUT OF IT.  I THINK THE PROBLEM HERE
IS THAT WE HAD A TERRIBLE IMBALANCE AND THE RFG PHASE
TWO GASOLINE REALLY THREW THE INVENTORY SITUATION IN
THE UPPER MIDWEST FOR A LOOP AND IT TOOK A LONGER PERIOD
OF TIME TO GET THIS RFG INTO THE MARKETPLACE, BECAUSE
MOST OF THE REFINERS WERE FIGHTING AND TRYING TO GET
AROUND A PATENT THAT HAD BEEN WON BY UNICAL, WHICH
CAUSED MOST OF THE REFINERS HERE AND THE REST OF THE
UNITED STATES TO FOSTER A CHANGE IN THEIR BLENDING
PROCESS TO NOT HAVE TO PAY A ROYALTY BACK TO UNICAL.  AND
THAT REALLY SLOWED THINGS DOWN HERE IN GETTING
INVENTORY IN THE MARKET.  

HUFFMAN:
EVERY POLITICIAN WHO CAN FIND A MICROPHONE HAS BEEN
SCREAMING ABOUT PRICES.  IS IT TIME FOR THE POLITICAL WORLD
TO STAY OUT OF THIS AND LET SUPPLY AND DEMAND DICTATE THE
PRICE?  

GASPAR:
WELL, YOU HIT IT RIGHT ON THE HEAD.  ACTUALLY, I'VE BEEN
WRITING ABOUT THIS FOR SEVERAL WEEKS.  LET THE MARKET
TAKE CARE OF ITSELF.  WE SAID IT RIGHT AT THE TOP OF THE
MARKET THREE OR FOUR WEEKS AGO.  AND I THINK IT'S STARTING
TO WORK INTO THE MARKET.  WE HAVE AN INCREASE IN GASOLINE
INVENTORIES THIS WEEK IN THE U.S.  AND WE HAVE A CRUDE
SUPPLY THAT ISN'T GROWING VERY MUCH, BUT COMPARED TO
LAST YEAR, GASOLINE IS ONLY SEVEN MILLION BARRELS BELOW A
YEAR AGO'S LEVEL AND I THINK THIS IS ALL GOING TO MODERATE. 
IT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA FOR POLITICIANS TO GET IN THE WAY ON
THIS, PARTICULARLY THOSE THAT ARE SUGGESTING THAT WE
SHOULD SUE OPEC.  THIS IS -- WE SHOULD BE GOOD FRIENDS OF
OPEC RIGHT NOW.  WE DON'T WANT TO DO ANYTHING THAT'S
GOING TO UPSET THE APPLE CART IN SUPPLY AND DEMAND IN THE
WORLD.  

HUFFMAN:
MR. GASPAR, LET'S END IT THERE FOR NOW.  GEORGE GASPAR
WITH ROBERT BAIRD AND COMPANY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
JOINING US.  PATTY?  




LOEW:
IT WASN'T THE SHOT HEARD ROUND THE WORLD, IT WAS MORE
LIKE THE SPLASH HEARD ROUND THE COUNTRY ON THIS YEAR'S
INDEPENDENCE DAY.  FROM CALIFORNIA TO WISCONSIN, THE
SPLASHING SOUND WAS DAIRY FARMERS DUMPING MILK TO
PROTEST LOW MILK PRICES.  FARMERS HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT
LOW PRICES ARE DUE TO A NATIONWIDE EXCESS, EVEN WHILE THE
U.S. IS STILL IMPORTING MILK FROM OTHER COUNTRIES.  IN THIS
WEEK'S LOCAL LISTING REPORT JEREMIAH JUNKERS OF WEAU-TV
IN EAU CLAIRE FOLLOWED FARMERS WHO DECIDED TO STOP
PROCESSING MILK FOR A DAY AND INSTEAD DUMPED IT.  

JERIMIAH JUNKERS:
FOR DAIRY FARMERS, THIS LOOKS LIKE MONEY, AT LEAST IT USED
TO.  NOW WITH PRODUCTION COSTS DOUBLING UP THE PAY THEY
RECEIVE IN RETURN IT'S CHEAPER THIS WAY.  

DON MOOS, MILK DUMP ORGANIZER:
ABOUT EIGHT MONTHS OF VERY, VERY POOR MILK PRICES.  AND I
THINK THAT'S WHAT PROMPTED US TO HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.  

JUNKERS:
THAT SOMETHING IS TWO BIG TRUCKS FULL OF DAIRY FARMERS'
MILK.  AND IN OTHER PLACES, THAT MILK WAS SPRAYED OVER
FIELDS, ALL TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO THE MIDDLE MAN, A
RESOUNDING STATEMENT FOR HIGHER PRICES.  

MOOS:
WE'VE GOT APPROXIMATELY 80,000 POUNDS OF MILK HERE TODAY
THAT'S BEEN DISPOSED OF IN THIS MANURE PIT.  AND IF YOU
FIGURE THAT BACK, IT TAKES ABOUT 10 POUNDS OF MILK TO
MAKE A POUND OF CHEESE, SO WE'VE GOT 8,000 POUNDS OF
CHEESE HERE THAT WON'T GO ON THE MARKET.  

JUNKERS:
WHAT DOES ALL THIS PROVE HAVING ALL OF THIS MILK SOAK UP
IN THIS MANURE FIELD?  WELL, JUST ASK ANY DAIRY FARMER.  

GARY NEESE:
I'VE BEEN A FARMER FOR 18 YEARS AND WE HAD BETTER PRICES IN
THE EARLY 1980'S, MUCH BETTER.  OUR FIXED COSTS ARE GOING UP
OVER THE INCOME AND IT'S HARD TO SURVIVE.  

TOM LaGESSE:
THE COST OF PRODUCTION FIGURES 18.70 PER HUNDRED AND
WE'RE GETTING 9.30, SO THAT'S HALF THE COST OF PRODUCTION. 
YOU JUST CAN'T MAKE IT ON THAT.  

JUNKERS:
SO, THEY DECIDED TO BE HEARD AND MAKE THE MARKET HEAR
THEM BY USING A WORD THEY'LL UNDERSTAND -- MONEY.  AND
THE FARMERS GOT PLENTY OF BACKING.  

MOOS:
WE HAD NEW YORK, PENNSYLVANIA, NEW JERSEY, OHIO, INDIANA,
ILLINOIS, MINNESOTA, WISCONSIN, CALIFORNIA.  I DON'T KNOW,
THERE WERE 11.  

LaGESSE:
IF THEY WANT TO SAY THERE'S SO MUCH OF AN OVER SUPPLY,
WE'LL KNOW IF THEY LIED OR NOT BECAUSE 100,000 POUNDS WILL
BE RIGHT HERE IN MY PIT.  

STEVE SIVERLING:
OUR WAR IS NOT WITH THE AMERICAN CONSUMER.  OUR WAR IS
WITH THE PEOPLE IN BETWEEN THAT FEEL THEY HAVE TO BE SO
GREEDY.  

LOEW:
OUR THANKS TO REPORTER JERIMIAH JUNKERS AND OUR
COLLEAGUES AT WEAU-TV IN EAU CLAIRE FOR THAT STORY.  IN
JUST A MOMENT, THIS WEEK'S EDITION OF "THE GREAT "WEEKEND"
POET LAUREATE SEARCH" FROM OUR MUSICAL GUEST PETER
BERRYMAN.  

ANNOUNCER:
AS PATTY JUST SAID, NEXT TONIGHT ON "WEEKEND" PETER
BERRYMAN STOPS STRUMMING AND READS FOR US "THE
WISCONSIN MILLENNIAL MOMENT."  LATER, THE POLITICAL PROSE
OF THE "WEEKEND" PANEL.  TONIGHT'S EDITION, DIXON, SCHOLZ
AND FISCHER STEP ON THE GAS AND HAND OUT GOLDEN FLEECE
AWARDS, LATER ON "WEEKEND." 





HUFFMAN:
FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS, WE'VE BEEN HAVING FUN WITH THE
NOTION OF A STATE POET LAUREATE.  GOVERNOR THOMPSON
ANNOUNCED THE NEW POSITION LAST MONTH AND YOU HAVE
UNTIL AUGUST 4 TO GET YOUR "OFFICIAL" APPLICATION TO THE
WISCONSIN ARTS BOARD.  MEANWHILE, WE'VE BEEN FEATURING
THE POETRY AND PROSE OF WISCONSIN WRITERS AND WE WILL
AGAIN TONIGHT.  TONIGHT, WE FEATURE OUR MUSICAL GUEST
PETER BERRYMAN READING HIS "WISCONSIN MILLENNIAL
MOMENT."  THIS HISTORY OF WISCONSIN UNDER TWO MINUTES,
WITH ACCORDION ACCOMPANIMENT.  PETER?  
PETER BERRYMAN:
THE ASPHALT CORE OF WISCONSIN SOLIDIFIED 250 MILLION YEARS
AGO AND WAS CARVED INTO A FOUR STORY MUSKIE BY EARLY
PENNSYLVANIA DUTCH AND CHEESE DANISH SETTLERS UP BY
WHERE HAYWARD IS TODAY.  

MEANWHILE, PRIMORDIAL OOZE MIXED WITH INDIGENOUS LEFSE
AND MUKWA, OUT OF WHICH EMERGED THE SMALL BAIT-LIKE LIFE
FORMS CALLED ACCORDIONISTS, WHO EVENTUALLY FOSSILIZED
INTO A GLITTERING BAND OF MYRON FLORENITE OVER BY
PEWAUKEE.  

SOON THEREAFTER, JEAN NICOLET DISCOVERED DOOR COUNTY
WHILE SAILING IN SEARCH OF A LAND'S END OUTLET.  A CENTURY
LATER, MERRIWEATHER LEWIS AND KIMBERLY CLARK MAPPED
THE ENTIRE HURLEY DOWNTOWN IN JUST UNDER SIX YEARS,
LIVING ON BAR FRIES AND WHATEVER BOTTOM FEEDERS THEY
COULD CATCH IN THE CARPAL TUNNELS OF THE CRANDON MINE.  
LEWIS AND CLARK CONTINUED SOUTH WITH THE VOYAGEURS,
DRAGGING A NINE-MAN KHAKI DUCK DINGY FULL OF FRENCH
NORWEGIAN DICTIONARIES TO TRADE WITH THE NATIVES FOR
HODAG JERKY AND FINGER JELLO.   EVENTUALLY, THEY FOUNDED
THE FOX CITIES NAMING THEM AFTER COLUMBUS'S SHIPS, THE
NEENAH, MENASHA AND SANTA MARIA.  CONTINUING TOWARD
ILLINOIS IN SEARCH OF THE FOUNTAIN OF YOUTH OR AS IT'S
CALLED IN WISCONSIN, THE BUBBLER OF YOUTH, THEY REALIZED
THEY HAD OVERSHOT THE BORDER WHEN THEIR GUIDES BEGAN
STOPPING EVERY FEW MILES TO THROW 40 CENTS INTO THE
BUSHES.  THEY RETURNED IN 1848 JUST IN TIME TO SEE WISCONSIN
GAIN STATEHOOD, WHICH IS LIKE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUT WITH REST
AREAS AND A LOTTERY.  

HARLEY DAVIDSON WAS OUR FIRST GOVERNOR AND BOXING WAS
KING WITH FIGHTING BOB LA FOLLETTE DEFENDING HIS CROWN
AGAINST THE MENARD'S GUY.  WHICH BRINGS US UP TO THIS
WISCONSIN YEAR 2000 FUN FACT.  IF THE ZEROS IN 2000 WERE
SUBTRACTED FROM THE O'S IN OCONOMOWOC YOU WOULD BE
LEFT WITH OMRO.  

IN CLOSING, WE SHOULD BE PROUD THAT THE STATE FLOUR IS
PILLSBURY PRE-SIFTED, THE STATE MOTTO IS I CAN QUIT
WHENEVER I WANT, THE STATE SHIELD IS AN ILLINOIS PLATE AND
THE STATE OPERA IS "AIDA BRAT" AND THE STATE SYMBOL IS THE
PLYWOOD GARDEN BENT OVER HINDER.  [APPLAUSE] 

HUFFMAN:
VERY NICE, PETER.  VERY NICE.  IF YOU'D LIKE TO BE CONSIDERED
FOR THE VERY PRESTIGIOUS JOB OF "WEEKEND" POET LAUREATE,
THEN GET YOUR POEM IN THE MAIL TO US AT "WEEKEND,"
WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION, 821 UNIVERSITY AVENUE
MADISON 53706.  OR, IF YOU'RE ONLINE YOU CAN E-MAIL IT TO US.  

THE ONLY RULE IS YOU MUST BE ABLE TO READ YOUR POEM IN
LESS THAN 45 SECONDS.  AND REMEMBER THIS IS NOT, EMPHASIS
ON THE WORD NOT THE OFFICIAL APPLICATION PROCESS FOR THE
STATE JOB.  THIS IS THE "WEEKEND" POET LAUREATE SEARCH.  FOR
DETAILS ON HOW TO ENTER THE STATE'S CONTEST GO TO THE
"WEEKEND" WEB SITE AT WWW.WPT.ORG/WEEKEND.  

YOU CAN ALSO FIND SOME POEMS ON OUR WEB SITE THAT WERE
SENT IN BY OUR VIEWERS THIS WEEK.  YOU CAN READ POETRY
OFFERINGS BY RON FROM WHITEWATER AND GORDON FROM
RICHLAND CENTER.  KEEP SENDING IN THOSE POEMS.  PATTY?  




LOEW:
WELL, THE MUSIC GODS SMILED AND HELD OFF ON THE RAIN
WEDNESDAY NIGHT IN MADISON.  LAST WEEK, THE SUMMER'S
FIRST CONCERT ON THE CAPITOL SQUARE WAS CANCELED DUE TO
RAIN AFTER ONLY ONE VERY WINDY SONG.  BUT THIS WEEK, THE
WISCONSIN CHAMBER ORCHESTRA WAS ABLE TO PERFORM ITS
ENTIRE MUSICAL OFFERING CALLED AN AMERICAN CELEBRATION. 
WE HAVE A CLIP NOW.  

JOINING US NOW TO TALK ABOUT THE CONCERT ON THE SQUARE,
THE WEATHER, AS WELL AS HIS NEW JOB AS MUSICAL DIRECTOR
OF THE WISCONSIN CHAMBER ORCHESTRA ANDREW SEWEL. 
WELCOME TO "WEEKEND." WELCOME TO WISCONSIN.  YOU'VE
ONLY BEEN HERE WHAT, THREE WEEKS?  

ANDREW SEWELL:
YES.  

LOEW:
AND THE FIRST CONCERT WAS RAINED OUT, BUT GOOD WEATHER
FOR THIS LAST CONCERT.  

SEWELL:
WE HAD A GREAT NIGHT.  IT WAS FANTASTIC, BEAUTIFUL AND
STILL WITH NO WIND AND VERY NICE, LOW HUMIDITY.  IT WAS
TERRIFIC.  

LOEW:
CONCERTS ON THE SQUARE ARE SUCH A SUMMERTIME STAPLE
HERE IN WISCONSIN AND 20,000 PEOPLE ON THE SQUARE.  WE JUST
SORT OF EXPECT IT.  DID IT SURPRISE YOU THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE
AND THE AMBIANCE OF THE EVENT?  

SEWELL:
WELL, WHAT REALLY SURPRISED ME THE FIRST NIGHT WAS THE
PEOPLE WERE REALLY COMING OUT FOR THIS EVENT.  AND THEN
LAST WEDNESDAY IT WAS NO EXCEPTION.  YOU CAN HARDLY SEE
ANY GRASS AMID ALL OF THE FAMILIES AND THINGS, AND IT'S
REALLY A TREMENDOUSLY FESTIVE ATMOSPHERE.  I COULDN'T
THINK OF A BETTER WAY TO SPEND A WEDNESDAY NIGHT JUST
AFTER THE 4TH OF JULY MYSELF.  IT WAS GREAT.  

LOEW:
A LOT OF PEOPLE GO TO CONCERTS ON THE SQUARE EXPECTING TO
HEAR CLASSICAL MUSIC, BUT THAT ISN'T ALL THAT THEY HEAR IS
IT?  

SEWELL:
WELL, WE HAVE A GOOD MIX OF MUSIC TO ACCOMMODATE ALL
AUDIENCE MEMBERS, YOU KNOW, FROM CHILDREN RIGHT
THROUGH TO GRANDMAS AND GRANDPAS, AND FROM ALL TASTES
OF MUSIC.  I THINK IT IS A CHALLENGE IN PRESENTING CONCERTS
LIKE THIS TO REACH EVERYONE IN THE AUDIENCE.  

LOEW:
THIS IS A GREAT OPPORTUNITY ISN'T IT?  BECAUSE YOU GET
PEOPLE THAT HAVE NEVER EXPERIENCED AN ORCHESTRA BEFORE. 


SEWELL:
EXACTLY.  I THINK THERE IS A LOT TO BE SAID.  YOU BRING YOUR
FAMILY THERE AND COME AND HEAR THE ORCHESTRA LIVE FOR
THE FIRST TIME IN A VERY USER FRIENDLY ENVIRONMENT.  YOU
KNOW, I THINK IT'S A WONDERFUL EXCITEMENT THAT GOES ON.  IF
YOU SEE A LIVE PERFORMANCE, NOTHING BEATS LIVE MUSIC AND
THAT'S WHAT THE CONCERT ON THE SQUARE DOES FOR THE
PEOPLE OF MADISON.  

LOEW:
IF ANYBODY DOUBTS THAT THEY'RE NOT ONLY GOING TO HEAR
BEETHOVEN, HERE HOT OFF THE PRESSES, YOU HAVE THE BEATLES
MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR.  

SEWELL:
THAT'S RIGHT.  

LOEW:
THIS IS WHAT, NOT THE NEXT CONCERT BUT THE ONE AFTER THAT. 


SEWELL:
THIS NEXT WEEK, JULY 12, WE HAVE AN ELECTRIC VIOLINIST
JOINING US, TRACY SCOTT SILVERMAN.  THIS ARRIVED BY
FEDERAL EXPRESS JUST TODAY.  IT'S HOT OFF THE PRESS, YES.  SO
HE'S VERY ACCOMPLISHED AND CLASSICALLY TRAINED VIOLINIST
WHO HAS NOW GONE ON HIS OWN AND NOW HAS KIND OF A
CROSSOVER MIX.  I'D LOVE TO INTRODUCE HIM TO MADISON
AUDIENCES.  I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO WORK WITH HIM LAST
NEW YEAR'S EVE.  IT WAS A VERY IMPORTANT EVENING, NEW
YEAR'S EVE 2000.  

LOEW:
WE HAVE TO ASK YOU.  WHAT DO CONDUCTORS DO?  I MEAN, WE
SEE YOU UP THERE AND SOMETIMES YOU EVEN PASS THE BATON
TO A CHILD AND THE ORCHESTRA CONTINUES ON WITHOUT YOU.  I
SUSPECT THAT WHAT PEOPLE SEE OF YOU AT A PERFORMANCE IS
PROBABLY A SMALL PART OF WHAT IT IS YOU ACTUALLY DO.  

SEWELL:
WELL, YOUR BODY IS YOUR INSTRUMENT, JUST LIKE AN ACTOR. 
YOU HAVE TO USE YOUR EYES, YOUR FACE, YOUR ARMS,
EVERYTHING.  AND YOU HAVE TO CREATE THAT EXCITEMENT FOR
THE AUDIENCE.  IT'S BETWEEN THE MUSICIANS AND THE
AUDIENCE.  AND, YES, THEY ARE PLAYING MUSIC ON THE PAGE.  

LOEW:
ARE THEY PAYING ATTENTION TO YOU?  

SEWELL:
WELL, OF COURSE THEY ARE--  WELL, I WOULD HOPE SO!  HA HA
HA.  IT'S LIKE DRIVING A CAR.  YOU HAVE TO LOOK IN THE
MIRRORS AND OUT THE SIDE AND BE LOOKING AROUND AND
THERE IS PERIPHERAL VISION.  IT'S THE SAME THING.  YOU'VE GOT
YOUR INSTRUMENT PLAYING HERE AND YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE
MUSIC AND THE CONDUCTOR AND EVERYWHERE, BUT THE POINT
IS THE CONDUCTOR DIRECTS AND NOT JUST STARTS AND STOPS,
BUT INFLUENCES TO SOME EXTENT, AND BY HIS ENTHUSIASM OR
HERS AND EXCITEMENT JUST YOUR WHOLE INFLUENCE IN THAT
RESPECT.  AND WHAT IT IS IS GETTING THAT ACROSS TO THE
AUDIENCE.  THERE IS SOMETHING, IF YOU WERE TO NOT WATCH
THE CONDUCTOR AND JUST HEAR IT, THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE C.D.'S
AND HAVE WONDERFUL RECORDINGS.  PEOPLE GET EXCITED
THROUGH THE MUSIC AND THAT'S THE ROLE OF THE CONDUCTOR. 
IT'S NOT A VISUAL THING.  IT'S NOT PRO WRESTLING!  

LOEW:
THAT WOULD BE INTERESTING WOULDN'T IT?  ANDREW SEWEL
THANK YOU SO MUCH.  WE SHOULD TELL PEOPLE WHO ARE
WONDERING WHERE THE ACCENT CAME FROM THAT YOU HAVE
BECOME A BADGER, BUT YOU WERE A KIWI RIGHT?  

SEWELL:
YES.  A NEW ZEALANDER, AND NOT AN AUSTRALIAN.  IT'S GREAT
TO BE HERE IN MADISON.  THANK YOU SO MUCH.  

LOEW:
WELCOME.  WE HOPE YOUR TENURE IS LONG AND HAPPY.  

SEWELL:
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  

LOEW:
YOU CAN SEE THIS WEEK'S CONCERT ON THE SQUARE PERFORMED
BY THE WISCONSIN CHAMBER ORCHESTRA TONIGHT, RIGHT ON
WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.  THE SPECIAL BROADCAST BEGINS
AT 9:00. PM.  

ANNOUNCER:
OUR THANKS ONCE AGAIN TO MUSICAL GUESTS AND HONORARY
POET LAUREATES LOU AND PETER BERRYMAN TONIGHT.  STAY
WITH US.  STILL TO COME THE "WEEKEND" POLITICAL PANEL
DIXON, FISCHER AND SCHOLZ PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLED NEXT ON
"WEEKEND." .  




HUFFMAN:
HAVE THE GAS PRICES GONE DOWN THIS WEEK BECAUSE OF ALL
THE HEARINGS, LAWSUITS AND TOWN MEETINGS OR IN SPITE OF
THEM?  GAS OR HOT AIR?  IT MUST BE PANEL TIME.  HELLO FIRST
TO DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST BILL DIXON AND REPUBLICAN
ACTIVIST BRANDON SCHOLZ HERE IN MADISON AND THE STATE
SENATE'S REPUBLICAN CAUCUS STAFFER KEVIN FISCHER WHO
JOINS US TONIGHT FROM MILWAUKEE.  MR. FISCHER, YOU GET THE
FIRST SHOT HERE.  

KEVIN FISCHER:
HI JERRY.  

HUFFMAN:
IS IT TIME FOR THE POLITICIANS TO GO HOME AND QUIT TALKING
ABOUT GAS?  

FISCHER:
NO.  BECAUSE GAS PRICES ARE STILL TOO HIGH AND THE
ELECTIONS AREN'T UNTIL NOVEMBER, UNFORTUNATELY.  WHILE
IT'S TRUE THAT POLITICIANS WERE STUMBLING OVER THEMSELVES
TO HOLD PRESS CONFERENCES AND ISSUE PRESS RELEASES AND
HOLD TOWN MEETINGS, I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU THAT THEY
COULDN'T HELP THEMSELVES BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CHOICE. 
THEY WERE BEING INUNDATED BY CONSTITUENT COMPLAINTS. 
AND I WATCHED ALL THE TELEVISION NEWS STORIES.  THE SOUND
BITE OF THE PERSON FILLING UP THE GAS PUMP SAYING THESE
PRICES ARE OK, I ACTUALLY THINK THEY SHOULD GO HIGHER, I
HAVE TO TELL YOU GUYS I NEVER SAW THAT SOUND BITE.  A
SERIOUS ISSUE, AFFECTS EVERYBODY, ESPECIALLY WHERE THEY
LIVE AND THAT'S RIGHT IN THE POCKETBOOK.  SO, WHILE WE WERE
FLOODED WITH A LOT OF GAS STATEMENTS AND POLITICIANS, I
THINK THAT THEY WERE IN THEIR RIGHTS TO DO WHAT THEY
WERE TRYING TO DO WHICH WAS TO GET THE PRICES LOWER.  

HUFFMAN:
BILL DIXON, POLITICIANS GO HOME OR DO SOMETHING?  

BILL DIXON:
I SAW THE SAME STUFF KEVIN DID.  AND I THOUGHT IT WAS THE
CARTOON CHANNEL ON CABLE TV.  A BUNCH OF ADULTS ACTING
LIKE CHILDREN PRETENDING TO BE ADULTS.  THEY GET ON A
PLANE AND FILE A FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT THAT WILL COST ME AND
OTHER TAXPAYERS HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS
AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT.  THEY HOLD CONGRESSIONAL
COMMITTEE HEARINGS WITH NO COMMITTEE PRESENT.  I MEAN, I
THINK THIS IS PRETTY SILLY STUFF.  I'D RATHER THEY GET
SERIOUS.  

HUFFMAN:
BRANDON?  

BRANDON SCHOLZ:
WELL, BILL, THEY GOT SERIOUS BECAUSE CONSTITUENTS BY THE
THOUSANDS AND THE TENS OF THOUSANDS CALLED THEIR
LEGISLATORS AND DEMANDED THEY DO SOMETHING.  THIS WAS
PARTICIPATORY GOVERNMENT.  THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE. 
PEOPLE SHOULDN'T SIT THERE AND SAY, OH, IT'S A $1.99, $2.00. 
THEY'VE GOT TO GO SOMEWHERE AND BE HEARD.  AND SO, THEY
CALLED THEIR POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON AND MADISON AND,
YOU KNOW, IN MILWAUKEE.  THEY CALLED EVERYBODY THEY
COULD, BECAUSE SOMETHING HAD TO BE DONE.  SOMEWHERE
ALONG THE LINE SOMEBODY HAD TO DO SOMETHING WHETHER
IT'S AN INVESTIGATION BY THE E.P.A. OR WHETHER IT'S LOOKING
INTO OIL COMPANIES, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE A LITTLE BIT
OF A X-FILES CONSPIRACY HERE, BUT SOMEWHERE SOMETHING
HAD TO BE DONE BECAUSE IT WAS CLEAR THAT THIS WAS AN
ABERRATION AND IT WAS IN MILWAUKEE AND IT WAS IN CHICAGO. 


DIXON:
THAT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE KIND OF GUY WHO WOULD
DEFEND BILL CLINTON FOR THE LAST EIGHT YEARS.  

SCHOLZ:
NO, I'M GOING TO LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU.  

DIXON:
BILL CLINTON DID WHAT THESE PEOPLE DID.  THEY DIDN'T GO TO
THE E.P.A. AND THE F.T.C. AND TALK SERIOUS STUFF.  THEY GAVE
THE PUBLIC WHAT THEY THOUGHT IT WANTED AS AN EXCUSE TO
GET THEIR FACES ON TELEVISION AND DIDN'T DO A LOT OF
SERIOUS STUFF.  THE SAME KIND OF THINGS THE PRESIDENT HAS
BEEN DOING.  

SCHOLZ:
THE PUBLIC DIDN'T BUY IT.  THEY SAID WE LOOKED AT IT AND
DIDN'T FIND ANYTHING WRONG AND PEOPLE DIDN'T TAKE THAT
ANSWER.  THEY SAID DO SOMETHING.  

HUFFMAN:
KEVIN FISCHER JUMP IN HERE.  FEELS LIKE WORLDWIDE
WRESTLING ALREADY.  

FISCHER:
I CAN TELL YOU, WE WEREN'T HAPPY IN MILWAUKEE WHEN THE
GAS WAS UP TO AROUND $2 A GALLON AND AL GORE BREEZED
INTO TOWN AND WHEN ASKED ABOUT THIS ISSUE BASICALLY SAID
I'LL LOOK INTO IT AND KISS MY GAS, AND THAT WAS ABOUT IT. 
WHEN ALL IT WOULD HAVE TAKEN WAS FOR HIM TO PICK UP THE
PHONE AND CALL THE E.P.A. AND SAY GIVE THESE PEOPLE IN
MILWAUKEE AND CHICAGO A TEMPORARY WAIVER.  I AGREE WITH
BILL DIXON, THE THOUGHT OF SUING THE E.P.A., WHILE I HAVE TO
GIVE SCOTT JENSEN CREDIT FOR AT LEAST TRYING ON THAT ONE,
IT DOES TAKE TIME, ESPECIALLY A LAWSUIT AGAINST THE
FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.  BUT WE COULD HAVE DONE OTHER
THINGS IN WISCONSIN.  WE COULD HAVE SOUGHT A TEMPORARY
WAIVER AND HAD OUR DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS PEOPLE IN
WASHINGTON WHO ARE CLOSER TO AL GORE THAN REPUBLICAN
CONGRESSMEN WORK A LITTLE HARDER TO GET THE WAIVER.  WE
COULD HAVE MAYBE SUSPENDED OUR GAS TAX IN WISCONSIN,
ONE OF THE HIGHEST IN THE NATION.  THOSE ARE THE IMMEDIATE
SOLUTIONS.  

HUFFMAN:
KEVIN, YOU OPENED THAT DOOR.  SUSPEND THE GAS TAX.  WHICH
ROAD PROJECT ARE YOU GOING TO CANCEL IF THEY SUSPEND THE
GAS TAX?  

FISCHER:
I WILL CANCEL NONE, BECAUSE JUST LAST WEEK THE LEGISLATIVE
FISCAL BUREAU CAME OUT WITH A REPORT THAT SAID WE HAVE A
TREMENDOUS SURPLUS IN THE ROAD FUND.  SO NO ROAD
PROJECTS WOULD HAVE GONE UNDONE IF WE WOULD
TEMPORARILY LOWER OUR GAS TAX.  

HUFFMAN:
WHY NOT LET THE MARKETPLACE SET THE PRICE AND BE DONE
WITH IT?  

FISCHER:
BECAUSE PEOPLES' PHONES ARE GOING CRAZY.  PEOPLE WANT
IMMEDIATE RELIEF NOW.  THE DAMAGE HAS BEEN DONE.  IT'S NOT
FUN PAYING $2.10 A GALLON FOR GAS.  PEOPLE WANT IMMEDIATE
RELIEF, INSTEAD OF THE ANSWERS WE GOT FROM AL GORE WHICH
IS EVERYTHING IS FINE.  

DIXON:
THE BIG CONCERN, JERRY, IS THAT PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO SPEND
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS OF TAXPAYERS' MONEY
AS A VEHICLE FOR SOME POLITICIANS TO FLY TO WASHINGTON,
D.C., IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET ON CNN.  IT WAS A FRIVOLOUS
LAWSUIT.  IT REMAINS FRIVOLOUS.  IT'S A WASTE OF MY MONEY
AND ALL THE VIEWERS' MONEY AND I THINK IT'S PRETTY
NONSENSICAL. 

FISCHER:
BILL, IT WOULDN'T BE THAT WAY IF JIM DOYLE WOULD HAVE
AGREED TO FILE THE LAWSUIT ON BEHALF OF WISCONSIN
MOTORISTS.  SCOTT JENSEN WENT TO JIM DOYLE FIRST AND
OFFERED HIM THE CHANCE AND HE SAID NO.   SO THE ASSEMBLY
REPUBLICANS SAID WE'LL HAVE TO SEEK A PRIVATE LAW FIRM.  

DIXON:
AND HE'LL PROVE TO BE RIGHT EIGHT TIMES IN A ROW.  SEVEN
TIMES IN A ROW, THE GOVERNOR HAS ASKED HIM TO BRING
LAWSUITS AND HE REFUSED AND HAS BEEN PROVEN RIGHT.  THIS
WILL BE NUMBER EIGHT.  

HUFFMAN:
WHICH IS BETTER, THE APPEARANCE OF DOING SOMETHING OR
JUST TO ADMIT THERE IS REALLY NOTHING THEY CAN DO?  

SCHOLZ:
I DON'T THINK POLITICIANS WOULD WANT TO TAKE THE RISK OF
DOING NOTHING.  AND THEY WILL TAKE THE APPEARANCE OF
DOING SOMETHING.  BUT THEY CAN DO MORE THAN THE
APPEARANCE.  AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE WERE ASKING WHEN
THE E.P.A. SAID OH, THERE IS NOTHING WRONG HERE.  THE F.T.C. 
SAID IT WILL TAKE SIX TO EIGHT WEEKS.  PEOPLE SAID THAT ISN'T
GOOD ENOUGH.  MAKE 'EM DO IT NOW.  I THINK BY THE TENS OF
THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN THAT SUPPORTED US, THAT
CALLED, THAT WROTE, THAT GOT ON THE LAWSUIT THAT DID
EVERYTHING THEY DID, IT MADE POLITICIANS STAND UP AND
START TO DO SOMETHING.  NOW, WHETHER THOSE ACTIONS
CHANGED THE GAS PRICES, I DON'T KNOW.  BUT I DON'T THINK YOU
COULD SAY THEY JUST SHOULD HAVE SAT BACK AND DONE
NOTHING.  

FISCHER:
ESPECIALLY IN AN ELECTION YEAR.  FOR ANY POLITICIAN TO SIT
BACK AND DO NOTHING ABOUT THESE HIGH GAS PRICES COULD BE
SUICIDE COME NOVEMBER.  

HUFFMAN:
KEVIN, WE HAVE TO MOVE ON.  THIS WEEK MARKS THE PASSING
OF THE 25TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE FORMER WISCONSIN U.S.
SENATOR BILL PROXMIRE'S FAMOUS WASTE BUSTING AWARD THE
GOLDEN FLEECE.  TO COMMEMORATE THE AWARD, WE'VE ASKED
EACH PANELIST TO COME UP WITH A GOLDEN FLEECE AWARD TO
HAND OUT.  SO LET'S GET TO THAT PORTION OF THE SHOW RIGHT
NOW.  KEVIN FISCHER YOU GET THE FIRST SHOT HERE.  YOURS
GOES TO ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON A DELEGATE FROM THE
DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA.  WHY?  

FISCHER:
AND SHE MANAGED TO GET THROUGH A BILL IN CONGRESS THAT
WOULD CALL FOR A NATIONAL PROGRAM TO DRASTICALLY
REDUCE OBESITY IN AMERICA.  THIS IS GOING TO COST $15 MILLION
A YEAR RIGHT UP UNTIL THE YEAR 2004.  AND IT WOULD TRAIN
HEALTH PROFESSIONALS TO DETECT WHEN PEOPLE ARE
OVERWEIGHT.  NOW, COME ON, I KNOW THAT WE'RE NOT IN AS
GOOD OF SHAPE AS BILL DIXON, OR YOU JERRY, OR EVEN
BRANDON SCHOLZ, BUT SHOULDN'T HEALTH PROFESSIONALS BE
ABLE TO TELL WHEN SOMEBODY IS OVERWEIGHT? 

HUFFMAN:
WE HAVE TO KEEP GOING.  DIXON'S GOLDEN FLEECE AWARD TO
YOU THE DRUM ROLL, IT GOES TO ASSEMBLY SPEAKER SCOTT
JENSEN.  I WONDER WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.  

DIXON:
I'LL TELL YOU, BUT KEVIN THAT'S A DIRECT ATTACK THAT BILL ON
OUR WISCONSIN PEOPLE HERE.  WE LEAD THE NATION IN OBESITY
AND BINGE DRINKING.  

FISCHER:
ONE LESS TRIP TO THE BUFFET LINE, BILL.  

DIXON:
SPEAKER JENSEN GETS THE AWARD BECAUSE HE FLIES BACK
FROM WASHINGTON D.C.  AFTER FILING THE FRIVOLOUS LAWSUIT
AND ANNOUNCES ACCORDING TO YESTERDAY'S PAPER, HE IS NOW
INTERVIEWING LAW FIRMS TO BRING ON BOARD LAWYERS TO
HELP THE REPUBLICANS KEEP THEIR SEATS IN THE LEGISLATURE
UNDER REDISTRICTING, A SUBJECT THAT WON'T COME UP FOR TWO
AND A HALF MORE YEARS.  SCOTT, YOU MUST LOVE THESE
LAWYERS.  

HUFFMAN:
DIXON, WHEN I DO THIS, IT MEANS I GOTTA GO.  OUR FINAL AWARD
IS PRESENTED BY BRANDON SCHOLZ.  HE PRESENTS HIS TO AL
GORE AND HILLARY CLINTON.  

SCHOLZ:
AL GORE'S SPEECH ABOUT REDUCING CARBON EMISSION LEVELS
TO PRE-1990 LEVELS BY THE YEAR 2012, TO DO THAT YOU NEED A
TAX ON THESE EMISSIONS.  THAT WILL EQUATE TO A 65% TAX ON
EACH GALLON OF GASOLINE, AND COST HOMEOWNERS $2700 A
YEAR, AND MOTORISTS $61 MILLION.  THANK YOU, AL GORE.  

HUFFMAN:
FOR ONCE, BRANDON GETS THE LAST WORD.  PATTY, TAKE US
HOME.  

LOEW:
THAT'S "WEEKEND" FOR TONIGHT.  WE LEAVE YOU WITH THIS
NEWS NOTE.  NEXT TUESDAY, THE STATE SUPREME COURT IS
EXPECTED TO RELEASE ITS DECISION IN A SUIT THAT CHALLENGES
THE CONSTITUTIONALITY OF THE STATE'S SCHOOL FUNDING
SYSTEM.  WE'LL HAVE COVERAGE OF THAT DECISION ON NEXT
FRIDAY NIGHT'S PROGRAM.  THANKS SO MUCH TO LOU AND PETER
BERRYMAN, WHO ARE GOING TO TAKE US INTO THE WEEKEND
WITH ANOTHER SONG.  TAKE IT AWAY! 



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