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THE FOLLOWING IS A PRESENTATION
OF WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION.

PATTY LOEW:
HELLO EVERYONE, WELCOME TO "WEEKEND" AND WELCOME
BACK TO OUR GUEST CO-ANCHOR JEFF GILLAN.  

JEFF GILLAN:
IT'S GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.  ALWAYS A PLEASURE.  GOOD TO
SEE YOU, EVERYBODY.  NICE TO BE HERE.  TONIGHT, WE'RE GOING
TO KICK OFF COVERAGE OF THE RACE FOR STATE SUPREME
COURT.  

LOEW:
ART HACKETT HAS BEEN FOLLOWING CANDIDATES DIANE SYKES
AND LOUIS BUTLER FOR THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS.  WE'LL
HAVE ART'S CANDIDATE PROFILES.  

GILLAN:
BY THE WAY, WHAT DOES A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE DO
ANYWAY?  

LOEW:
YEAH, WHAT?  

GILLAN:
WE'LL FIND OUT AFTER ART'S REPORT.  WE'LL ASK TWO JUSTICES,
JUSTICE PROSSER AND JUSTICE CROOKS.  

LOEW:
LATER, WE'LL COMPARE DUELING PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLANS IN
THE STATE ASSEMBLY AND SENATE.  

GILLAN:
SET YOUR VCRs, DR. TED GOODFRIEND WILL MEASURE PATTY'S --
NO, NOT PATTY.  

LOEW:
HIS FOOT!    

GILLAN:
STILL SET THE VCRs.  DON'T MISS IT.  WE'RE TALKING STRONG
BONES.  

LOEW:
WE'LL HAVE A TRIBUTE TO THE LATE COUNTRY MUSIC ARTIST
AND WISCONSIN SON, PEE WEE KING.  THAT'S ALL TONIGHT ON
TONIGHT'S "WEEKEND." 

ANNOUNCER:
IT'S "WEEKEND" FOR MARCH 10.  ALSO TONIGHT, A READING LIST
FOR WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH.  PROFESSOR EMILY AUERBACH
JOINS US LATER IN THE HOUR.  AND THROUGHOUT THE PROGRAM,
WE'LL LOOK IN ON THE WISCONSIN-MICHIGAN TECH HOCKEY
GAME.  THAT'S GETTING UNDERWAY IN A FEW MINUTES OVER AT
THE KOHL CENTER HERE IN MADISON.  

PRODUCTION OF "WEEKEND" IS MADE POSSIBLE IN PART BY
LASERTECH, PROVIDING CUSTOMIZED LASER PRINTING AND
BUSINESS SERVICES.  AND BY BLUE CROSS AND BLUE SHIELD. 
WISCONSIN'S HEALTH CARE PARTNER FOR NEARLY 60 YEARS. 
OFFERING CONSUMERS A CHOICE IN HEALTH CARE PLANS.  




LOEW:
IF YOU DIDN'T REALIZE A STATE SUPREME COURT ELECTION IS
LESS THAN A MONTH AWAY, YOU ARE FORGIVEN.  SO FAR, THERE
HAVEN'T BEEN ANY TELEVISION ADS AND ONLY A HANDFUL OF
LIGHTLY COVERED JOINT APPEARANCES BETWEEN CANDIDATES
DIANE SYKES AND LOUIS BUTLER.  ONE THING DOES STAND OUT
SO FAR IN THIS RACE.  BOTH CANDIDATES ARE ACCEPTING $13,500
IN PUBLIC FINANCING.  AND IN DOING SO, THEY EACH AGREED TO
A $215,000 SPENDING CAP.  COMPARE THAT TO LAST YEAR'S
COMBINED SPENDING OF $1.4 MILLION IN THE SUPREME COURT
CONTEST BETWEEN SHIRLEY ABRAHAMSON AND SHARREN ROSE. 
LESS SPENDING THIS YEAR MEANS LESS ADVERTISING.  AND THE
NEED FOR BETTER COVERAGE BY THE MEDIA.  WEEKEND'S ART
HACKETT HAS BEEN FOLLOWING SYKES AND BUTLER ON THE
CAMPAIGN TRAIL FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS.  HERE'S ART'S
CANDIDATE PROFILE.  

MAN:
HERE YE,  HERE YE, HERE YE.  THE SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE
OF WISCONSIN IS NOW IN SESSION...  

WOMAN:
COURT FOR THE BRANCH 2 OF THE CITY OF MILWAUKEE IS NOW IN
SESSION.  THE HONORABLE LOUIS B. BUTLER, JR. PRESIDING.  YOUR
SILENCE IS COMMANDED...

ART HACKETT:
DIANE SYKES AND LOUIS BUTLER CURRENTLY HOLD JOBS AT
OPPOSITE ENDS OF THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM.  JUSTICE SYKES WAS
APPOINTED TO THE SUPREME COURT BENCH LAST SEPTEMBER. 
THE SUPREME COURT IS THE STATE'S COURT OF LAST RESORT,
SETTLING CASES THAT APPEAR TO BE AT ODDS WITH PRIOR LAW
OR WITH THE STATE OR FEDERAL CONSTITUTIONS.  AT ISSUE LAST
WEEK, WHETHER TERMINATION OF PARENTAL RIGHTS SHOULD
ALSO TERMINATE GRANDPARENTS' RIGHTS.  

JUSTICE DIANE SYKES:
SO, THE COURT FOCUSES ON WHETHER THERE IS A LEGAL LOSS TO
THE CHILD OR WHETHER THERE IS A LOSS IN A BROADER SENSE.  

WOMAN:
WELL, WHETHER -- IN A LEGAL SENSE.  

SYKES:
HOW WOULD THAT BE RIGHT?  

JUDGE LOUIS BUTLER:
ARE YOU CURRENTLY WORKING?  

MAN:
NO, SIR.  

BUTLER:
I'LL GRANT 60 DAYS TO PAY FORFEITURE.  IF YOU CAN'T PAY THE
FULL AMOUNT IN THAT TIME PERIOD, PAY WHAT YOU CAN AND
COME BACK AND ASK FOR MORE TIME.  AS LONG AS YOU'RE
TRYING TO PAY IT OFF,  I'LL WORK WITH YOU.  

HACKETT:
SINCE 1992, LOUIS BUTLER HAS BEEN ON MILWAUKEE'S MUNICIPAL
COURT BENCH HANDLING CITY ORDINANCE VIOLATIONS. 
MONDAY'S DOCKET INCLUDED CHARGES OF SPEEDING, DRUNK
DRIVING AND MARIJUANA POSSESSION.  

SYKES:
THE VOTERS ARE PRESENTED WITH A VERY CLEAR CHOICE.  THAT
CHOICE IS BETWEEN A CURRENT SUPREME COURT JUSTICE WHO
SERVED AS A CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE IN THE BUSIEST AND
TOUGHEST JURISDICTION IN THIS STATE AND WORKED AS A
PRACTICING LAWYER REPRESENTING ENTREPRENEURS AROUND
THIS STATE; AND A MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE WHO PRESIDES OVER
TRAFFIC TICKETS AND ORDINANCE VIOLATION CASES ONLY AND
WHOSE ONLY EXPERIENCE AS A LAWYER IS AS A STATE PUBLIC
DEFENDER.  

BUTLER:
IN TERMS OF THE JUSTICES SITTING THERE NOW, THREE WERE
NEVER A JUDGE AT ALL.  IF YOU WANT TO START TALKING
QUALIFICATIONS, THAT'S ONE WHERE I THINK WE HAVE A KNOCK
DOWN DRAG OUT VICTORY, BECAUSE I'VE PEN PRACTITIONER.  I
HAVE BEEN IN THE TRENCHES.  I HANDLED APPELLATE WORK FOR
NINE YEARS.  THAT'S ALL I DID.  AND IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
THE TYPE OF SKILLS THAT TRAIN YOU TO BE AN APPELLATE JUDGE
OR JUSTICE, THEY ARE ANALYTICAL SKILLS, RESEARCH SKILLS,
WRITING SKILLS.  AND THAT'S WHAT YOU DO AS AN APPELLATE
LAWYER.  

HACKETT:
HAVING AN ELECTED JUDICIARY POSES A DILEMMA.  VOTERS
ULTIMATELY WANT TO KNOW, WILL THIS PERSON DECIDE CASES
THE WAY I WANT THEM DECIDED?  JUDICIAL CANDIDATES, WHO
ARE SUPPOSED TO BECOME IMPARTIAL JUDGES, CAN'T SAY HOW
THEY WILL DECIDE CASES.  THE STATE'S JUDICIAL CODE PREVENTS
A CANDIDATE FROM TALKING ABOUT PENDING OR IMPENDING
CASES.  

MAN:
STAND BY.  HERE WE GO.  IN FIVE, FOUR, THREE, TWO...  

HACKETT:
DURING THE CAMPAIGN, QUESTIONS COME UP WHICH RAISE THE
ISSUE.  AT A CABLECAST DEBATE IN APPLETON, ONE OF THE
QUESTIONS WAS, DO RISING COURT COSTS ASSESSED AGAINST
DEFENDANTS PRESENT A BARRIER TO EQUAL ACCESS TO COURTS?  

BUTLER:
I DO KNOW THAT BECAUSE OUR ASSOCIATION DID RAISE THE
ISSUE OF CONSTITUTIONALITY OF SOME OF THE INCREASES OF
COSTS THAT THAT IS AN ISSUE THAT MIGHT POSSIBLY COME
BEFORE THE COURT DOWN THE ROAD, SO I WANT TO HEDGE ON
THE DENIAL OF EQUAL ACCESS FROM A CONSTITUTIONAL NATURE. 
BUT I OPPOSE THE CONTINUED INCREASE.  I THINK THE COURT
SYSTEM IS BEING VIEWED RIGHT NOW AS A CASH COW.  

SYKES:
TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE IS A CONSTITUTIONAL ISSUE ABOUT
THE INCREASES IN COURT FEES, I NEED TO DEFER EXPRESSION OF
OPINION ON THAT, BECAUSE IT VERY WELL MAY COME BEFORE
THE COURT IN THE FUTURE.  

HACKETT:
THE ISSUE ALSO COMES UP WHEN BUTLER SPEAKS IN FAVOR OF A
BILL NOW UP FOR DEBATE IN THE LEGISLATURE, WHICH WOULD
PROVIDE FULL PUBLIC FUNDING FOR JUDICIAL CANDIDATES.  

BUTLER:
I HAVE BEEN ON RECORD OF SUPPORTING THIS BILL FOR QUITE
SOME TIME NOW.  AND I APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT ALL OF YOU
ARE DOING TO MAKE SURE THAT WE TRY TO DO SOMETHING TO
TAKE SPECIAL INTEREST DOLLARS OUT OF JUDICIAL RACES AND
TO RETURN JUSTICE TO THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF WISCONSIN. 
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.  [APPLAUSE] 

ONE OF THE THINGS IN THE CODE OF JUDICIAL CONDUCT DOES,
ACKNOWLEDGE, WE'RE ENCOURAGED TO SPEAK OUT ON ISSUES
THAT WILL IMPROVE THE JUSTICE SYSTEM.  THIS IS AN ISSUE THAT
WILL IMPROVE THE SYSTEM.  I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE
RETURN JUSTICE TO THE VOTERS.  

SYKES:
CAMPAIGN FINANCE REFORM, HOWEVER, IS A SERIOUSLY
DISPUTED POLITICAL AND LEGAL ISSUE THAT IS LIKELY AND
PROBABLE TO COME BEFORE THE COURT IN THE FUTURE FOR
DECISION ON ITS CONSTITUTIONALITY.  AND SO, FOR MY
OPPONENT OR ANY JUDGE OR JUDICIAL CANDIDATE TO BE MAKING
PUBLIC STATEMENTS OF SUPPORT FOR THE LAW NECESSARILY
PREJUDGES IT BEFORE THE PUBLIC.  

HACKETT:
SYKES DID SERVE ON THE CRIMINAL PENALTIES STUDY
COMMITTEE WHICH REWROTE THE STATE'S CRIMINAL CODE.  

SYKES (JANUARY 22, 1999):
BUT I DON'T AGREE THAT WE OUGHT TO COME UP WITH A NORTH
CAROLINA-STYLE SYSTEM, THAT BASICALLY ESTABLISHES WITH
GREAT RIGIDITY WHO GOES TO PRISON AND WHO DOESN'T AND
EXEMPTS OUT ALL PROPERTY OFFENDERS FROM THE POSSIBILITY
OF GOING TO PRISON, BECAUSE NORTH CAROLINA HAS
CONCLUDED THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO BUILD THAT MANY
PRISON BEDS.  

BUTLER:
BEEN A JUDGE FOR SEVEN YEARS.  AND A JUDGE AT A LEVEL THAT
DEALS WITH ISSUES THAT IMPACT ON THE QUALITY OF LIFE FOR
CITIZENS IN OUR COMMUNITY.  

HACKETT:
WITH THE RESTRICTIONS ON DEBATE HANGING OVER THEIR
HEADS, THE CANDIDATES TRY THEIR BEST TO TELL PEOPLE WHY
THEY DESERVE TO BE ELECTED.  BUTLER FOCUSED ON THE
CONVERSATIONS HE HAS WITH JUVENILES WHO COME BEFORE HIS
COURT.  

BUTLER:
WHAT KIND OF HOMEWORK DO YOU DO?  WHAT KIND OF FRIENDS
DO YOU HANG WITH?  WE TALK ABOUT THESE THINGS.  I HAVE
GOTTEN TO THE POINT WHERE I MAKE THEM BRING REPORT
CARDS TO COURT SO I CAN SEE HOW THEY ARE DOING.  ONE OF
THE THINGS I REQUIRE IS THAT THEY DO NOT ALLOW THEIR
PARENTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THEIR ACTIONS.  THAT
THEY DON'T ALLOW THE PARENTS TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
THEIR ACTIONS.  IT'S IMPORTANT IF THEY ARE GOING TO LEARN
ANYTHING, THAT THE BUCK STOPS WITH THEM.  

SYKES:
MY PHILOSOPHY AND APPROACH TO THE LAW IS, I THINK, WELL
KNOWN.  IT IS A CONSERVATIVE ONE WHICH IS ROOTED IN
PRINCIPLES OF SEPARATION OF POWERS AND JUDICIAL RESTRAINT,
WHICH MEANS IN PRACTICAL TERMS, THAT WE AS JUDGES ARE
NOT SUPPOSED TO BE LEGISLATING FROM THE BENCH.  

HACKETT:
WITH LIMITS ON DISCUSSING SPECIFIC ISSUES, COURT RACES
OFTEN TURN ON ENDORSEMENTS.  SOMEHOW, GROUPS AND
INDIVIDUALS FIGURE OUT WHO TO SUPPORT.  SYKES' STEERING
COMMITTEE INCLUDES GOVERNOR THOMPSON AND ASSEMBLY
SPEAKER SCOTT JENSEN.  THE MOST PROMINENT DEMOCRAT IS
FORMER GOVERNOR PATRICK LUCEY.  

BUTLER'S SUPPORTERS INCLUDE FORMER GOVERNOR ANTHONY
EARL, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER CHUCK CHVALA AND MINORITY
LEADER SHIRLEY KRUG.  REMEMBER, JUDICIAL RACES ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE NONPARTISAN.  

BUTLER:
I CAN'T EVEN TELL YOU ON THE LIST WHO IS REPUBLICAN AND
DEMOCRAT.  I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW.  WE JUST WENT OUT AND
REACH FORWARD ANYONE WHO WANTED OR CARED ABOUT
JUSTICE ISSUES IN THE STATE WHO WANTED TO HAVE JUSTICE
DEVELOPED AND WANTED TO KEEP THE SYSTEM FAIR AND
IMPARTIAL.  WE REACHED OUT TO THOSE VOTERS.  SO, WE
WORKED HARD THROUGHOUT THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.  

SYKES:
I ALSO HAVE SIGNIFICANT SUPPORT ON A BROAD BASE FROM ALL
THE RETIRED JUSTICES OF THE WISCONSIN SUPREME COURT. 
WHETHER THEY WERE MORE ASSOCIATED WITH A LIBERAL
JUDICIAL PHILOSOPHY OR WHETHER THEY WERE MORE
ASSOCIATED WITH A CONSERVATIVE JUDICIAL PHILOSOPHY.  

HACKETT:
BUT THE RACE ISN'T JUST A MATTER OF ENDORSEMENTS AND
HANDSHAKING.  IT'S ABOUT HOW THE CANDIDATES HAVE DONE
THE JOBS THEY HELD IN THE PAST.  TWO REVEALING MOMENTS. 
JUSTICE BUTLER WAS ASKED ABOUT THE UPS, AND ESPECIALLY
THE DOWNS, OF BEING A PUBLIC DEFENDER.  

BUTLER:
I'M THEIR LAST HOPE.  I'M THE GATEWAY TO FREEDOM OR
INCARCERATION.  THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE. 
THE OTHER DIFFICULT TYPE CASE, AND THERE IS ONE SPECIFIC,
THAT REALLY LAYS ON YOU, IS DO YOUR JOB, DO IT WELL, WIN
FOR YOUR CLIENT, AND THEN YOUR CLIENT KILLS SOMEBODY. 
AND THERE'S NOTHING THAT -- EXCUSE ME IF I GET CHOKED UP
ABOUT IT, BUT THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT THAT.  

HACKETT:
FOR JUSTICE SYKES IT WAS A CIRCUIT COURT CASE INVOLVING A
DEFENDANT CHARGED WITH EXPOSING MINORS TO
PORNOGRAPHY.  

SYKES:
WHILE I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THE RESULT, BECAUSE IT
WAS GOING TO PRODUCE A DISMISSAL OF A CASE WHERE THE
STATE VERY EASILY COULD HAVE GAINED A CONVICTION, AND
SOMEONE WHO WAS IN THE COMMUNITY DOING A DANGEROUS
THING, EXPOSING TEENAGE BOYS, ADOLESCENT BOYS TO
PORNOGRAPHY, WAS NOT GOING TO BE BROUGHT TO JUSTICE, AND
I DIDN'T PARTICULARLY LIKE THAT RESULT.  NONETHELESS, I DID
NOT DODGE THE UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT PRECEDENT.  I
DID NOT TRY TO GET AROUND IT IN SOME WAY.  I DID NOT
MANIPULATE THE LAW ITSELF TO TRY TO PRESERVE IT.  BUT I
FOLLOWED THE PRECEDENTS AND DECLARED THE STATUTE
INVALID.  

HACKETT:
WHAT IS SIGNIFICANT ABOUT THESE CASES IS THAT IN ANOTHER
SUPREME COURT RACE IN ANOTHER TIME THEY MIGHT ALREADY
HAVE BEEN SPOTLIGHTED IN TELEVISION ATTACK ADS, WHICH
STRIP AWAY THE NUANCES OF REALITY.  ADS, WHICH THUS FAR IN
THIS ELECTION, HAVE YET TO SEE THE AIR.  

LOEW:
ART HACKETT REPORTING.  WENDY WOODARD SHOT AND EDITED
ART'S STORY.  THAT'S A LOOK AT THE CANDIDATES FOR THE
SPRING ELECTION FOR THE JOB ON THE HIGH COURT.  BUT WHAT
EXACTLY IS THE JOB?  WHAT ARE THE JUSTICES RESPONSIBLE FOR
DOING ON A DAY-TO-DAY BASIS?  WHAT'S IT LIKE RUNNING FOR A
JUDICIAL OFFICE?  WE DECIDED TO ASK TWO PEOPLE WHO KNOW
ABOUT THIS, BECAUSE THEY ARE SUPREME COURT JUSTICES. 
WELCOME TO JUSTICE DAVID PROSSER AND JUSTICE PATRICK
CROOKS.  THANK YOU, GENTLEMEN, FOR JOINING US.  

ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S FRUSTRATING FOR JOURNALISTS IS WE
TRY TO COVER CAMPAIGNS, WE ASK JUSTICES ABOUT HOW THEY
ARE GOING TO DO THEIR JOB AND WHAT THEY STAND FOR.  AND
QUITE OFTEN, THEY CAN'T TELL US WHAT THEY STAND FOR
BECAUSE SOMEBODY MAY BE STANDING BEFORE THEM WITH
THAT AS AN ISSUE.  SO, HOW ARE WE AS CITIZENS SUPPOSED TO
KNOW WHAT WE SHOULD BE THINKING ABOUT WHEN WE VOTE
FOR A SUPREME COURT CANDIDATE?  

JUSTICE PATRICK CROOKS:
WELL, ONE OF THE THINGS I THINK THAT VOTERS CAN REALLY
LOOK AT WOULD BE THE QUALIFICATIONS OF THE CANDIDATES,
LOOKING AT BACKGROUND, LOOKING AT EXPERIENCE.  THAT IS
HELPFUL, I THINK, IN MAKING A DETERMINATION.  SOME OF US
BELIEVE THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TO TALK ABOUT CASES THAT
HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN DECIDED.  NOT CASES THAT ARE
PENDING BEFORE THE COURT, OBVIOUSLY, OR NOT CASES THAT
ARE LIKELY TO COME BEFORE THE COURT IN THE FUTURE.  BUT
THAT ALSO WILL GIVE YOU SOME GUIDANCE IF YOU CAN LOOK AT
A CANDIDATE'S POSITION ON PREVIOUSLY DECIDED CASES.  AND
YET, I WANT TO ADD TO THAT IF I MIGHT, PATTY, THAT IT REALLY
IS A PERSONAL DECISION OF THE CANDIDATE WHETHER HE OR SHE
FEELS COMFORTABLE DOING THAT.  AND CERTAINLY, I
APPRECIATE THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE YOU
SHOULDN'T DO THAT.  

LOEW:
OKAY, QUALIFICATIONS.  WE HEAR SOMETIMES THAT PERHAPS A
CANDIDATE DOESN'T HAVE EXPERIENCE AS A JUDGE OR AS A
CIRCUIT JUDGE.  YOU WERE A LEGISLATOR BEFORE YOU WERE
APPOINTED TO THE BENCH.  DID YOU FEEL THAT YOU WERE AT A
DISADVANTAGE NOT HAVING EXPERIENCE AS A SITTING JUDGE?  

JUSTICE DAVID PROSSER:
WELL, I DIDN'T FEEL I WAS AT A DISADVANTAGE WHEN I APPLIED
FOR THE JOB.  SOMETIMES, NOW, DURING THE CONSIDERATION OF
CASES I FEEL I'M AT A DISADVANTAGE, BECAUSE THERE ARE
MANY ISSUES AND EVEN PROCEDURES THAT I'M NOT FULLY
FAMILIAR WITH.  BUT I THINK I BRING A PERSPECTIVE TO THE
COURT THAT IS DESIRABLE AND NEEDED.  THAT'S THE
PERSPECTIVE OF THE LEGISLATURE AND SOMEONE, WHO FOR
YEARS, WAS MIXING IT UP ON THE PUBLIC ISSUES.  I ALSO SERVED
ON THE TAX APPEALS COMMISSION, WHERE I DID HAVE SOME
REALLY QUASI-JUDICIAL EXPERIENCE.  

LOEW:
YOU PROBABLY HAVE EMPATHY FOR PEOPLE WHO HAVE CHOSEN
BOTH BRANCHES OF GOVERNMENT.  

PROSSER:
TRUE.  LET ME SAY THIS.  I OBVIOUSLY HAVE RUN FOR OFFICE
MANY TIMES AS A LEGISLATURE.  

LOEW:
WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RUNNING AS A LEGISLATOR
AND RUNNING AS A JUDGE?  

PROSSER:
WHEN YOU RUN AS A LEGISLATOR, YOU ARE RUNNING AS A
PARTISAN.  AND YOU ARE RUNNING AS AN AVOWED PARTIAL
PERSON ON MANY ISSUES.  YOU ARE RUNNING WITH AN AGENDA. 
YOU ARE MAKING PROMISES.  PEOPLE EXPECT THAT.  IF I RAN IN
APPLETON, I SAID THERE WERE CERTAIN THINGS I WOULD DO AND
THAT I WOULD DO FOR PARTICULAR PEOPLE.  

LOEW:
AND IF I CAN LEAP AHEAD, JUSTICE CROOKS, I GUESS AS A JUSTICE,
YOU REALLY ARE RUNNING ON YOUR INTEGRITY AND THE HOPE
THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE YOU AS BEING THE IMPARTIAL PERSON
THAT THEY HOPE WILL SERVE ON THE BENCH.  

CROOKS:
THAT'S RIGHT.  YOU REALLY ARE.  AND IT'S HELPFUL, AND DAVID I
THINK HAS DONE A GOOD JOB OF BECOMING A QUICK READ AND
CATCHING UP DURING HIS TIME ON THE COURT, BUT IT REALLY IS
HELPFUL TO HAVE THE EXPERIENCE ON THE TRIAL BENCH.  I HAD
19 YEARS AS A TRIAL JUDGE BEFORE I WAS ELECTED TO THE
COURT.  AND IT DOES HELP YOU IN TERMS OF UNDERSTANDING A
LOT OF THE PROCEDURES THAT YOU'RE DEALING WITH ON A
REGULAR BASIS.  

LOEW:
AND TALK ABOUT THOSE PROCEDURES.  I'M NOT SURE PEOPLE
REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT IT IS YOU DO ON A DAY-TO-DAY
BASIS.  WE HEAR YOU, WE SEE YOU HEARING ARGUMENTS, AND
THEN YOU ARE WRITING OPINIONS.  ARE YOU IN FACT ARE YOU
PERSONALLY THE ONES THAT ARE WRITING OPINIONS OR YOUR
CLERKS HELPING WRITE SOME OF THIS?  

CROOKS:
IT'S REALLY A MIX.  AND I THINK EACH ONE OF THE JUSTICES
APPROACHES THE JOB SOMEWHAT DIFFERENTLY.  BUT
CERTAINLY, WE RELY ON THE CLERKS, WE RELY ON INTERNS
FROM THE TWO LAW SCHOOLS, MARQUETTE AND WISCONSIN, TO
ASSIST US IN GETTING THE JOB DONE OF WRITING OPINIONS.  BUT
I'M SURE DAVID WOULD TELL YOU THAT WE SPEND AN AWFUL LOT
OF TIME NOT WRITING OPINIONS AND NOT LISTENING TO ORAL
ARGUMENTS.  

LOEW:
WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE DOING THEN?  

CROOKS:
WELL, THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.  WE'RE WORKING ON A LOT OF
ADMINISTRATIVE MATTERS.  UNDER THE WISCONSIN
CONSTITUTION, JUSTICES OF THE SUPREME COURT, THE SEVEN OF
US, ARE INVOLVED IN THE ADMINISTRATION AND SUPERVISION OF
THE ENTIRE COURT SYSTEM.  AND THERE ARE 20,000 LAWYERS
THAT ARE LICENSED IN THE STATE OF WISCONSIN.  THERE ARE
JUDICIAL DISCIPLINE ISSUES.  THERE ARE ISSUES INVOLVING
DISCIPLINE OF LAWYERS.  THERE ARE ALL KINDS OF PERSONNEL
ISSUES THAT COME BEFORE THE COURT IN OUR ADMINISTRATIVE
CAPACITY.  

LOEW:
AND PERSONNEL ISSUES THAT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO DEAL WITH AS
A LEGISLATOR.  

PROSSER:
WELL, WHEN I WAS SPEAKER OF THE ASSEMBLY, I DEALT WITH
LOTS OF PERSONNEL ISSUES.  ONE THING I WANTED TO DO WAS
CONTRAST THE ROLE OF THE LEGISLATOR IN MAKING THE
PROMISES, BEING A PARTISAN AND THE ROLE OF A JUDICIAL
CANDIDATE, WHO IS NON-PARTISAN AND IMPARTIAL AND CANNOT
MAKE PROMISES.  YOU CANNOT MAKE PROMISES OF HOW YOU'RE
GOING TO CONDUCT YOURSELF IN OFFICE IN TERMS OF DECISIONS,
BECAUSE THAT IMPAIRS THE IMPARTIALITY YOU HAVE TO HAVE
IN CASES.  NOW, PAT AND I MAY HAVE A LITTLE DIFFERENCE OF
OPINION ABOUT PAST CASES AND WHAT YOU CAN SAY ABOUT
THEM.  I THINK YOU CAN TALK ABOUT PROCEDURES AND TALK
ABOUT PAST CASES, SO LONG AS THEY ARE NOT LIKELY TO COME
UP AGAIN IN SIMILAR FORM.  BECAUSE YOU CAN'T COMMIT
YOURSELF.  THAT'S WHAT BEING IMPARTIAL IS REALLY ALL
ABOUT.  

CROOKS:
I DON'T DISAGREE WITH THAT EITHER.  I'LL TELL YOU THAT.  

LOEW:
JUSTICE PROSSER, JUSTICE CROOKS, THANK YOU GENTLEMEN FOR
JOINING US.  

YOU CAN HEAR THE CURRENT SUPREME COURT CANDIDATES
SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES NEXT WEEK ON "WEEKEND."  JUSTICE
DIANE SYKES AND JUDGE LOUIS BUTLER WILL APPEAR ON OUR
PROGRAM NEXT FRIDAY NIGHT.  THEN, A WEEK LATER, THE
CANDIDATES WILL DEBATE LIVE ON WISCONSIN PUBLIC
TELEVISION, DURING THE "WE THE PEOPLE" DEBATE FRIDAY,
MARCH 24TH AT 7:00 P.M.  

AND LOOK FOR COMMENTARY ON THE SUPREME COURT RACE IN
THE PAGES OF THE "WISCONSIN STATE JOURNAL" FORUM SECTION
ON SUNDAY  THE "STATE JOURNAL," OF COURSE, IS ONE OF OUR
"WE THE PEOPLE" MEDIA PARTNERS.  

ANNOUNCER:
HERE IS A "WEEKEND" NEWS QUIZ.  AFTER NEXT MONTH'S
SUPREME COURT ELECTION, WHEN WILL THE NEXT COURT SEAT
COME UP FOR A VOTE?  THE ANSWER IS THE YEAR 2001.  IN APRIL
OF NEXT YEAR, JUSTICE DAVID PROSSER WHO WE JUST HAD ON
OUR PANEL, WHO WAS JUST APPOINTED TO THE BENCH BY
GOVERNOR THOMPSON IN 1998, WILL HAVE TO STAND FOR
RE-ELECTION IF HE WISHES TO KEEP HIS JOB AS SUPREME COURT
JUSTICE.  

WE BROUGHT YOU SOME HOCKEY HIGHLIGHTS LAST WEEK.  NOW
THE UW-MADISON'S MEN'S HOCKEY TEAM IS IN THE FIRST ROUND
OF THE WCHA, PLAYING AGAINST MICHIGAN TECH.  RIGHT NOW,
WE HAVE A SCORE: WISCONSIN 1, MICHIGAN TECH 0.  WE'LL BRING
YOU THE SCORE THROUGHOUT THE NIGHT AS THE BADGERS
BATTLE IT OUT WITH MICHIGAN TECH.  

COMING UP NEXT, SENATE MAJORITY LEADER CHUCK CHVALA
AND REPRESENTATIVE STEVE WIECKERT TELL US ABOUT THE
DUEL PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLANS BEING TOUTED IN THE STATE
LEGISLATURE UP NEXT ON "WEEKEND." 





GILLAN:
ON TUESDAY, THE STATE ASSEMBLY APPROVED A MEASURE THAT
WOULD GIVE SOME OF THE POOREST SENIOR CITIZENS IN
WISCONSIN A BREAK ON THE PRICE OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.  THE
PLAN WOULD COVER MORE THAN 200,000 SENIORS WHO DON'T
QUALIFY FOR OTHER TYPES OF ASSISTANCE.  INDIVIDUALS NEED
TO EARN $15,448 OR LESS A YEAR.  COUPLES WITH INCOMES OF
$20,813 OR LESS ALSO QUALIFY.  THE SENATE PLAN OR THE STATE
SENATE ALSO PASSED A PRESCRIPTION DRUG PLAN AS PART OF ITS
MINI BUDGET, THE SENATE PLAN COVERS MORE THAN 600,000
WISCONSIN SENIORS.  UNDER THE SENATE PLAN, INDIVIDUALS
WITH INCOMES, ANNUAL INCOMES, OF UP TO $50,000 AND COUPLES
MAKING UP TO $75,000 WOULD QUALIFY.  

JOINING ME NOW WITH MORE DETAILS OF BOTH PLANS ARE THE
CO-SPONSOR OF THE ASSEMBLY BILL, REPRESENTATIVE STEVE
WIECKERT WHO JOINS US LIVE FROM GREEN BAY.  AND SENATE
MAJORITY LEADER CHUCK CHVALA.  IT'S GOOD TO HAVE YOU
BOTH HERE.  MR. WIECKERT, WHO EXACTLY ARE YOU DESIGNING
YOUR PLAN TO HELP?  

STEVE WIECKERT:
THANK YOU.  WE WANT TO HELP OVER 200,000 WISCONSIN
SENIORS, FOR THE FIRST TIME IN WISCONSIN'S HISTORY, RECEIVE
HELP IN PAYING FOR THE HIGH COST OF PRESCRIPTION DRUGS. 
THIS IS A NEEDS-BASED PROGRAM.  WE'RE TRYING TO HELP THE
MOST NEEDY SENIORS MAKE IT MORE AFFORDABLE AND ALSO
ACT AS A SAFETY NET FOR WHEN THE DRUG COSTS GET VERY
HIGH FOR SENIORS.  AT THE FIRST PRESCRIPTION, THE VERY FIRST
PRESCRIPTION STARTS AT AN 18% DISCOUNT.  THEN, WHEN IT GETS
TO $840 COLLECTIVELY OVER A YEAR, THEN THEY HAVE FREE
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.  WHICH IS A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO
THOSE SENIORS.  

GILLAN:
LET ME GET BACK-- WE'LL TALK MORE ABOUT THE SPECIFICS.  I
WANT TO TURN NOW TO SENATOR CHVALA.  TALK TO ME ABOUT
THE SENATE PLAN VERY QUICKLY.  IT'S MORE EXPENSIVE AND ON
PAPER COVERS MORE PEOPLE.  WHO DO YOU COVER THAT MR.
WIECKERT DOESN'T?  

CHUCK CHVALA:
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.  WE COVER PEOPLE UP TO $50,000 IN
INCOME FOR A SINGLE PERSON, LET'S FOCUS ON THAT FOR A
MINUTE.  THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PLANS IS THAT THE
ASSEMBLY PLAN, IF THERE IS A WIDOW MAKING $15,500 A YEAR,
SHE RECEIVES NOTHING UNDER THE PLAN.  SHE DOES NOT GET A
SINGLE PENNY BACK FROM THE STATE.  BUT LET'S TAKE SOMEONE
WHO IS COVERED, SOMEONE WHO MAKES $12,000 A YEAR.  UNDER
THEIR PLAN THAT PERSON WOULD RECEIVE A TOTAL OF $126 FROM
THE STATE AND OF COURSE HAVE TO FILL OUT FORMS AND SIGN
UP FOR THE PLAN.  IT'S A VERY LIMITED PLAN FOR THAT PERSON. 
UNDER THE SENATE PLAN, SOMEONE WHO MAKES $12,000 WOULD
GET $720 IN BENEFIT.  THIS ASSUMES THEY HAVE TWO
PRESCRIPTIONS A MONTH, $100 A MONTH, WHICH IS THE AVERAGE
FOR A SENIOR CITIZEN, AND ONE IS GENERIC AND ONE IS NOT
GENERIC.  STEVE MAY HAVE MIS-SPOKE ABOUT HIS PLAN AS WELL. 
THEIR CO-PAY IS $10 FOR GENERIC, $20 FOR A NON-GENERIC.  THE
SENATE PLAN IS $5 AND $10.  SO, THE SENATE PLAN DOES MUCH
BETTER FOR PEOPLE OF LOW INCOMES AND THIS COVERS MORE. 
AT $20,000 A YEAR, OF COURSE, YOU GET NOTHING UNDER THEIR
PLAN, $15,500 NOTHING UNDER THEIR PLAN.  

GILLAN:
MR. WIECKERT, YOU HEARD THESE OBJECTIONS BY SENATE
DEMOCRATS.  BUT BASICALLY, THEY ARE SAYING THAT YOUR
PLAN IS TOO CHEAP, DOESN'T COVER ENOUGH PEOPLE.  WHAT DO
YOU SAY TO THAT?  

WIECKERT:
THIS IS THE FIRST TIME WISCONSIN HAS A PLAN LIKE THIS.  200,000
PEOPLE IN WISCONSIN WILL BE COVERED FOR THE FIRST TIME. 
THAT'S A LOT OF PEOPLE.  IT'S BASED ON 185% OF POVERTY.  IT'S
THE SAME AS A SENIOR COALITION PLAN, THEY HAD A PROPOSAL,
THEY HAVE THE SAME INCOME LIMITS, THE GOVERNOR HAD THE
SAME INCOME LIMITS.  YOU CAN ALWAYS SAY THERE ARE PEOPLE
MISSING THE PLAN BY A THOUSAND OR TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS. 
BUT I HAVE A QUESTION.  IF A PERSON HAS AN INCOME OF $75,000,
THAT PUTS THEM IN THE TOP 5, 10 OR 15% INCOME BRACKET. 
WHAT ARE WE GOING TO SAY TO WORKING FAMILIES THAT EARN
$30,000 AND $40,000 A YEAR, THAT WE'RE GOING TO USE THEIR
HARD-EARNED TAX DOLLARS TO SUBSIDIZE PEOPLE TO GET
PRESCRIPTION DRUGS THAT WILL EARN MORE MONEY THAN THEY
ARE.  ISN'T THAT ROBIN HOOD IN REVERSE?  

GILLAN:
I WAS GOING TO ASK THAT IN JUST A SECOND.  HOLD THAT
THOUGHT.  BEFORE WE GO BACK TO SENATOR CHVALA, MR.
WIECKERT, WHY DID YOU DRAW THE INCOME LIMITS WHERE YOU
DID?  WHY DIDN'T YOU GO UP, SAY, TO $20,000 FOR AN INDIVIDUAL
OR $25,000?  WHY DIDN'T YOU BOOST IT MORE?  

WIECKERT:
THE PROGRAM IS A NEEDS-BASED PROGRAM FOR SENIORS WHO
NEED IT THE MOST.  AND WE-- THIS 185% LEVEL IS COMMONLY
USED IN THREE OR FOUR VERSIONS OF PLANS PROPOSED BY THE
COALITION OF AGING GROUPS, BY THE GOVERNOR AND OTHERS. 
WE FELT THAT THIS WAS A DEFINING POINT THAT WE HAD A LOT
OF BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR.  THAT'S WHY THE 185% LEVEL WAS
PICKED.  

GILLAN:
I WANT TO GO TO SENATOR CHVALA RIGHT NOW.  MR. WIECKERT
BRINGS UP A GOOD POINT.  WHY SHOULD WE BE GIVING DRUG
BREAKS OR DRUG COST BREAKS TO PEOPLE EARNING $50,000 FOR
INDIVIDUALS, COUPLES IN THE $70,000's.  I MEAN, THEY EARN A LOT
OF MONEY.    

WIECKERT:
THERE IS ROOM FOR COMPROMISE ON THE INCOME LIMITS.  BUT
THE PROBLEMS--  WHAT REP. WIECKERT ISN'T POINTING OUT, HE
MENTIONS THAT A SENIOR GROUP HAD A SIMILAR LIMIT.  WHAT HE
DOESN'T TELL PEOPLE, IS THEY ARE NOT COVERING UNDER THEIR
PLAN, UNLIKE THE SENIOR PLAN, THE FIRST $840 OF DRUG COSTS. 
PLUS, YOU HAVE TO PAY $25 TO GET IN THE PLAN.  THIS IS A
SUCKER PLAN FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE.  THEY'LL GET IN THE
PROGRAM, FIND OUT THAT THEY DON'T GET MUCH OUT OF IT.  IN
FACT, THE $126 BENEFIT UNDER THE ASSEMBLY PLAN FOR A
PERSON MAKING $12,000 A YEAR WITH JUST $100 A MONTH IN DRUG
COSTS, THE AVERAGE FOR SENIOR CITIZENS, UNDER THEIR PLAN,
THEY DON'T EVEN COVER WHAT THE ANNUAL INCREASE IN
PRESCRIPTION DRUG COSTS WOULD BE.  BY THE WAY, THEY DON'T
SPEND A DIME OUT OF THE STATE'S $380 MILLION SURPLUS TO
REDUCE COSTS FOR PRESCRIPTION DRUGS FOR SENIORS.  THEY
PUT IT OFF UNTIL NEXT JULY-- NOT THIS JULY, NEXT JULY.  THAT
MEANS THAT THE MONEY THAT SENIORS WILL GET UNDER THEIR
PLAN, OR $100 A MONTH, WILL ACTUALLY BE EXCEEDED BY THE
INCREASE IN THE COST OF THE DRUGS OVER THE YEAR.  

GILLAN:
MR. WIECKERT IS SHAKING HIS HEAD AND WAVING HIS HAND UP
THERE IN GREEN BAY.  WEIGH IN ON THIS, SIR.  

WIECKERT:
THANK YOU.  I THINK ONE OF THE PROBLEMS, A SIGNIFICANT
FLAW OF THE SENATE PLAN IS IF A SENIOR IS PAYING DRUG COSTS
EXCEEDING $10,000, WHAT HAPPENS IS HE'S OUT IN THE COLD
UNDER THE SENATE PLAN.  THERE IS NO COVERAGE FOR HIM ANY
MORE.  ARGUABLY, THE SENIOR NEEDS IT MOST AT THAT POINT. 
AND THAT'S WHERE THE SENIOR PLAN ABANDONS HIM.  WITH THE
ASSEMBLY PLAN, WHICH WE CALL "SENIOR CARE," THAT COVERS
HIM NO MATTER WHAT HIS EXPENSES ARE FOR DRUGS.  HE GETS
100% COVERAGE, MINUS THE CO-PAYS, WHICH ARE SIMILAR IN
BOTH PLANS.  ALSO, LET'S TALK ABOUT PHARMACIES. 
PHARMACIES ARE HELPED WITH BOTH OF THESE PLANS.  THE PLAN
IS SO STRICT IN THE SENATE ON PHARMACIES, THAT PHARMACIES
COULD CONCEIVABLY GO OUT OF BUSINESS OR AT LEAST END
THEIR MEDICAL ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS UNDER THE SENATE
PLAN.  THE PHARMACY ASSOCIATION HAS TOLD ME THAT.  

GILLAN:
I WANT TO MOVE QUICKLY HERE.  THIS BILL IN THE ASSEMBLY DID
PASS 97-1, THE ONE VOTE AGAINST IT WAS A REPUBLICAN.  EVEN
THOUGH THIS IS AN ELECTION YEAR, THAT IS A REMARKABLE
SHOW OF BIPARTISAN SUPPORT FOR THIS BILL.  DOESN'T THAT PUT
PRESSURE ON YOU CHUCK, TO CONSIDER THE BILL, AT LEAST, OR
TO WORK WITH IT?  

CHVALA:
I THINK THE IMPORTANT THING TO NOTE IS NOT WHAT FINAL
PASSAGE WAS.  PEOPLE FAMILIAR WITH THE LEGISLATIVE
PROCESS KNOW THE IMPORTANT THING IS WHAT HAPPENED ON
THE AMENDMENT.  ON THE AMENDMENT, EVERY SINGLE
DEMOCRAT SUPPORTED AN AMENDMENT BY REPRESENTATIVE
BACH THAT SET INCOME LIMITS AT $30,000 AND $40,000 A YEAR. 
THAT WAS THE KEY AMENDMENT WHO WOULD VOTE AGAINST A
DRUG PLAN FOR SENIORS, NO MATTER WHAT IT WAS.  THE
DEMOCRATS IN THE ASSEMBLY DID THE RIGHT THING.  THEY
VOTED FOR A MINIMAL PLAN.  BUT ALSO FOUGHT AND FOUGHT
HARD FOR A PLAN THAT COVERED MORE SENIORS.  THAT'S WHAT
WE NEED TO DO.  

GILLAN:
MR. WIECKERT, I WANT TO ASK YOU QUICKLY, YOU HAVE TWO
PLANS HERE ON THE TABLE THAT ARE TWO VERY DIFFERENT
PLANS IN MANY RESPECTS.  WHAT'S THE COMPROMISE HERE?  IT'S
AN ELECTION YEAR.  WHAT CAN WE EXPECT TO HAPPEN?  

WIECKERT:
I WANT SOMETHING TO HAPPEN.  I'M COMMITTED TO HAVING A
PLAN.  I WANT A PLAN ON THE GOVERNOR'S DESK BY THE END OF
THE MONTH.  THAT'S MY GOAL.  I TALKED WITH CHUCK ON THIS
BEFORE, AND I HOPE THAT'S HIS GOAL, TOO.  I BELIEVE IT IS.  I'M
WILLING TO COMPROMISE.  I WANT A SENIOR TO BE COVERED
THAT EXCEEDS $10,000.  AND I'M WILLING TO BE FLEXIBLE ON THE
INCOME LIMITS.  AND YOU WANT TO BRING THE DRUG COMPANIES
IN AND MAKE SURE THEY ARE PART OF THE PLAN AS WELL.  I
WANT SOMETHING DONE.  

GILLAN:
SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF, WE HAVE TO GO.  THANK YOU VERY
MUCH, STEVE WIECKERT IN GREEN BAY, CHUCK CHVALA IN
MADISON.  THANK YOU.  

BOTH:
THANK YOU.  

ANNOUNCER:
YOU'RE WATCHING THE WISCONSIN BADGERS AND THE MICHIGAN
TECH HUSKIES TEARING UP THE ICE, TEARING UP EACH OTHER
THERE AT THE KOHL CENTER HERE IN MADISON.  SO FAR THE
SCORE IS 1-0 IN FAVOR OF WISCONSIN.  AS THE NIGHT GOES ON,
WE'LL KEEP YOU UP ON ALL OF THE WCHA ACTION.  

BUT NEXT, "WEEKEND" MEDICAL CONSULTANT DR. TED
GOODFRIEND SHOWS US HOW TO FIND OUT IF WE'RE AT RISK FOR A
COMMON DISEASE.  AND IN CELEBRATION OF WOMEN'S HISTORY
MONTH, WE HAVE SOME "WEEKEND" BOOK PICKS FOR YOU.  IT'S
ALL NEXT ON "WEEKEND." 




LOEW:
TONIGHT, AS PART OF OUR ONGOING "WE THE PEOPLE - GROWING
UP, GROWING OLDER" COVERAGE, WE FOCUS ON OSTEOPOROSIS. 
IT'S A DEBILITATING DISEASE THAT CAUSES BONES TO BECOME
FRAGILE AND PRONE TO FRACTURES.  TEN MILLION AMERICANS
SUFFER OSTEOPOROSIS.  WOMEN ARE FOUR TIMES MORE LIKELY
THAN MEN TO DEVELOP THE DISEASE.  WHILE OSTEOPOROSIS CAN
EVENTUALLY LEAD TO PERMANENT DISABILITY OR EVEN DEATH,
THERE ARE WAYS TO DETECT, PREVENT AND TREAT THE DISEASE. 
AND HERE TO EXAMINE THOSE MEDICAL OPTIONS IS "WEEKEND"
MEDICAL CONSULTANT DR. TED GOODFRIEND, AND OSTEOPOROSIS
RESEARCHER AND ASSISTANT PROFESSOR IN THE SCHOOL OF
PHARMACY, DR. MARY ELLIOTT.  WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.  AND
WE'RE HEARING A LOT ABOUT OSTEOPOROSIS.  HOW COME?  

DR. MARY ELLIOTT:
WELL, I THINK A LARGE PART OF THE REASON IS THAT AMERICA IS
GRAYING.  WE'RE GROWING OLDER, THERE ARE MORE OLDER
PEOPLE AND OSTEOPOROSIS IS LARGELY A DISEASE OF OLD AGE. 
ANOTHER REASON IS THAT NOW WE CAN ACTUALLY TEST AND SEE
IF SOMEBODY HAS OSTEOPOROSIS BEFORE THEY FRACTURE, AND
THAT NOW THERE ARE TREATMENTS AVAILABLE.   

LOEW:
AND YOU CAN DETECT WITH THIS MACHINE.  

ELLIOTT:
YOU CAN DETECT WITH DEVICES.  

LOEW:
AND YOU HAVE KINDLY OFFERED TO PROVIDE YOUR FOOT.  

DR. TED GOODFRIEND:
THAT'S RIGHT, BECAUSE IT'S THE OLDEST FOOT ON THIS PART OF
THE STAGE.  

LOEW:
AS A REMINDER TO THE VIEWERS, WE THINK OF OSTEOPOROSIS AS
A DISEASE THAT AFFECTS WOMEN, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY
THE CASE.  

GOODFRIEND:
THAT'S CORRECT.  

LOEW:
MEN CAN GET THIS.  

GOODFRIEND:
SO, DR.  ELLIOTT BROUGHT THIS DEVICE.  IT'S MANUFACTURED IN
WISCONSIN IN MADISON BY THE LUNAR CORPORATION.  AND IT'S
VERY CONVENIENT TO USE.  

LOEW:
HOW DOES IT WORK?  

GOODFRIEND:
WELL, LOOK AT THIS.  PUT MY FOOT IN HERE.  

LOEW:
A LOVELY FOOT IT IS.  

GOODFRIEND:
WELL, THANK YOU.  THAT'S THE NICEST THING THAT HAS EVER
BEEN SAID ABOUT THAT FOOT.  

ELLIOTT:
AND WE PUT IN YOUR NAME AND BIRTH DATE.  SO, ALL I HAVE TO
DO IS TELL IT TO GO.  

LOEW:
WHAT EXACTLY IS THIS MACHINE MEASURING?  

ELLIOTT:
THIS IS A MACHINE THAT ACTUALLY USES X-RAYS, EVEN THOUGH
SOME MACHINES USE ULTRASOUND.  THIS MACHINE ACTUALLY
MEASURES THE AMOUNT OF BONE AT A CERTAIN SPOT IN THE
HEEL.  AND ACTUALLY CAN BE A MARKER FOR FRACTURE RISK. 
STUDIES HAVE SHOWN IF YOU HAVE LOW BONE DENSITY AT THE
HEEL, YOU MAY BE MORE LIKELY TO HAVE A FRACTURE.  

LOEW:
SO, IT'S MEASURING DENSITY.  

ELLIOTT:
YES.  

LOEW:
IS THERE ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO THE HEEL OR THE FOOT?  

ELLIOTT:
YES.  THERE IS.  THERE ARE SOME PARTS OF THE BODY, THAT IF
YOU JUST MEASURE THE BONE, IT MIGHT NOT GIVE YOU AS GOOD
AN IDEA OF WHETHER THE PERSON HAS OSTEOPOROSIS.  BUT IF
YOU HAVE VERY LOW BONE DENSITY AT THE HEEL, YOU ARE
MORE LIKELY TO FRACTURE ANYWHERE IN YOU'RE BODY, AND
YOU MAY ALSO HAVE LOWER BONE DENSITY AT YOUR HIP AND
SPINE AND OTHER SITES.  

LOEW:
ONCE YOU COLLECT THE INFORMATION THAT WE'RE COLLECTING
ABOUT DR.  TED'S FOOT, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH IT?  

GOODFRIEND:
WELL, THIS IS REALLY A SCREENING DEVICE TO SEE HOW WE'RE
DOING, HOW I'M DOING.  I HATE TO SAY THAT EVERYBODY
SHOULD DO THE SAME THING, WHETHER THEY HAVE SOFT BONES
OR NOT.  BUT ESPECIALLY IF THIS DEVICE WERE TO SHOW THAT I
HAD THIN OR SOFT OR DEMINERALIZED BONES, I SHOULD, AS I
SHOULD RIGHT NOW, TAKE ENOUGH CALCIUM AND ENOUGH
VITAMIN D TO ASSURE THAT I'M KEEPING MY BONE DENSITY UP. 
AND I SHOULD HAVE STARTED THAT AS A LITTLE BOY.  

LOEW:
THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.  WE HEAR DOCTORS SAY TO CHILDREN,
DRINK LOTS OF MILK, BUILD STRONG BONES.  BUT WHAT IF YOU
DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION AND WHAT IF YOU'RE SOMEBODY, OH,
ABOUT 47 OR SO, WHO MAYBE DOESN'T DRINK AS MUCH MILK AS
SHE COULD.  IS THERE SOMETHING I COULD BE DOING FOR MYSELF
NOW?  

GOODFRIEND:
I THINK SO.  I THINK AT ANY AGE ENOUGH CALCIUM AND VITAMIN
D.  LET'S GIVE NUMBERS, 1,000 MILLIGRAMS A DAY OF CALCIUM. 
400 UNITS A DAY OF VITAMIN D.  NOW, I'VE BEEN DOWN TO
FLORIDA, BUT MY WIFE MADE ME WEAR SUN SCREEN.  SO, DESPITE
ALL THAT SUN I STILL HAVE TO TAKE VITAMIN D BY MOUTH,
BECAUSE IN THIS CLIMATE, IN PARTICULAR, WE DON'T GET
ENOUGH SUNSHINE.  SO, VITAMIN D IN A TABLET.  LET'S SAY ONE
MULTIVITAMIN A DAY.  ONE A DAY.  THE CHEAPEST ONE YOU CAN
FIND AT THE STORE.  

LOEW:
AND START IMMEDIATELY.  

GOODFRIEND:
START IMMEDIATELY.  

LOEW:
OKAY.  WE HAVE THE PRINTOUT.  HOW ARE HIS BONES?  

ELLIOTT:
VERY WELL INDEED.  

GOODFRIEND:
AH, MAYBE MY MOTHER GAVE ME ENOUGH MILK.  

ELLIOTT:
YOU MUST HAVE HAD ENOUGH MILK OR DAIRY PRODUCTS.  YOU
ARE EXACTLY RIGHT, AT LEAST 1,000 MILLIGRAMS A DAY OF
CALCIUM IN THE DIET OR THROUGH MILK OR CHEESE OR
WHATEVER, THEN TAKE A CALCIUM SUPPLEMENT.  

LOEW:
IF SOMEBODY DEVELOPS OSTEOPOROSIS, WHAT CAN YOU DO FOR
THEM?  

GOODFRIEND:
AGAIN, YOU CAN START THE VITAMIN D AND CALCIUM ROUTINE. 
NOW WE HAVE MEDICATIONS.  WHILE THE ONE THAT EVERYBODY
HAS HEARD THE MOST ABOUT IS HORMONE REPLACEMENT FOR
WOMEN, ESTROGEN.  THERE ARE OTHER MEDICATIONS THAT ARE
OUT THERE NOW, RELOXIFIN MADE A BIG STIR WHEN IT WAS
TESTED.  IT STOPS OR ACTUALLY IMPROVES BONE DENSITY, STOPS
THE LOSS OR IMPROVES THE DENSITY.  THERE ARE OTHER
MEDICATIONS THAT ARE MORE COMPLICATED, HARDER TO TAKE,
MORE EXPENSIVE BUT VERY EFFECTIVE.  THAT'S ANOTHER
REASON WE HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT OSTEOPOROSIS NOW.  THERE'S
SOMETHING TO DO ABOUT IT.  AND I HAVE TO INTERJECT HERE, A
LOT OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS A WISCONSIN
CENTERED.  EVEN THOUGH WE DON'T GET MUCH SUN UP HERE IN
THE WINTER, WE GET PLENTY OF MILK.  THE VITAMIN D THAT IS
ADDED TO MILK WAS INVENTED HERE.  THE NEW VITAMIN D WAS
FOUND HERE AND THIS GADGET WAS INVENTED AND
MANUFACTURED HERE.  SO, WISCONSIN IS REALLY A CENTER OF
HEALTH FOR BONE.  

LOEW:
ALL RIGHT.  DR. TED GOODFRIEND, DR. MARY ELLIOTT, THANK
YOU VERY MUCH.  THANKS FOR THE USE OF YOUR FOOT, DR. TED.  

GOODFRIEND:
IT WAS A PLEASURE.  

LOEW:
JEFF?  




GILLAN:
MARCH IS WOMEN'S HISTORY MONTH.  AND IN CELEBRATION,
WE'RE GOING TO BRING YOU "WEEKEND" BOOK PICKS.  THEY ARE
WRITTEN BY WOMEN AUTHORS AND CAN BE ENJOYED BY
EVERYBODY.  HERE TO PAGE THROUGH THESE PICKS WITH US IS
UW-MADISON ENGLISH PROFESSOR, EMILY AUERBACH.  IT IS VERY
GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN.  LET'S START WITH YOUR FIRST PICK.  IT
IS "PRIDE AND PREJUDICE," BY JANE AUSTIN.  WHY DID YOU PICK
IT?  

EMILY AUERBACH:
I THINK JANE AUSTIN IS THE FIRST GREAT WOMAN WRITER THAT
YOU CAN TALK ABOUT IN THE SAME BREATH AS SHAKESPEARE,
CHAUCER OR DICKENS.  SHE IS A BRILLIANT CRAFTSPERSON.  SHE
DID SIX BRILLIANT NOVELS AND HER HEROINES ARE SO
DIFFERENT.  THEY'RE WITTY, THEY JUMP OVER FENCES.  

GILLAN:
SHE, YOU KNOW, IN READING SOME OF THE BOOKS THAT SHE HAS
DONE, I MEAN, A THEME WOULD BE ALMOST GAINING MATURITY
THROUGH LOSING ILLUSION IN YOUR ENVIRONMENT AND WHAT
YOU SEE.  IS THAT ONE OF THE REASONS?  IT RUNS THROUGH ALL
THE WORK.  

AUERBACH:
I THINK SHE SAW SO MUCH THAT COULD BE LEARNED BY MAKING
MISTAKES, BY HAVING FREEDOM.  HER HEROINES MAKE ALL
KINDS OF MISTAKES.  SOME OF THEM ARE NOT BEAUTIFUL, SOME
OF THEM DO STUPID THINGS AND LEARN IT.  

GILLAN:
SOME ARE GRITTY.  

AUERBACH:
THAT'S RIGHT.  THEY ARE REAL PEOPLE.  AND THEY ARE
STRUGGLING AGAINST ALL KINDS OF ODDS.  I FIND IT AMAZING,
SINCE JANE AUSTEN WAS NEVER ALLOWED TO GO TO COLLEGE.  

GILLAN:
LET'S GO TO THE SECOND.  THE NEXT BOOK IS "JANE EYRE," BY
CHARLOTTE BRONTE.  TALK TO ME ABOUT THIS ONE.  

AUERBACH:
RIGHT.  WELL, WRITTEN IN 1847, "JANE EYRE" TELLS THE STORY OF
AN ORPHAN.  SHE'S DESCRIBED AS UGLY AS A TOAD, BUT SHE IS A
THINKING, FEELING, STRUGGLING YOUNG GIRL WHO GROWS UP
AND HAS A MIND AND HEART AND SOUL.  NOW, CHARLOTTE
BRONTE DIDN'T LIKE JANE AUSTEN.  SHE DIDN'T THING THERE WAS
ENOUGH PASSION THERE.  THAT'S THE SIDE THAT CHARLOTTE
BRONTE GIVES, IT'S THIS NIGHTMARE, STORMY PASSIONATE
WORLD.  

GILLAN:
ONE OF THE THINGS-- I HAVE A FRIEND WHO TOLD ME THAT SHE
WANTS HER DAUGHTERS TO READ "JANE EYRE" TO GET THAT
FEELING OF GROWING UP, GROWING INTO WOMANHOOD.  ALL
RIGHT, THAT'S BOOK TWO.  BOOK NUMBER THREE, "THE COMPLETE
POEMS OF EMILY DICKINSON."  ABOUT 1,800 IF MY MEMORY
SERVES ME.  

AUERBACH:
RIGHT.  

GILLAN:
SHE WAS A FASCINATING WOMAN.  A VERY PRIVATE WOMAN IN
MANY RESPECTS.  WHY DID YOU CHOOSE THIS?  

AUERBACH:
I THINK EMILY DICKINSON CHOSE TO LIVE A DIFFERENT LIFE AND
WRITE LYRICAL POEMS THAT REALLY ARE PROFOUND IN WISDOM. 
SHE CAN TAKE A COB WEB, A HOUSE FLY, AND FIND INSIGHT AND
LEAD RIGHT TO THE DIVINE.  I THINK SHE WAS A DEEPLY
SPIRITUAL AND THINKING WOMAN, AND HER POEMS ARE
AMAZING.  

GILLAN:
AND YOU GET A SENSE, TOO, OF REAL SOUL SEARCHING WHEN
YOU READ HER WORK.  VERY INTROSPECTIVE AND OBSERVANT
REALLY.  

AUERBACH:
AND WE'VE ONLY JUST BEGUN TO KNOW ABOUT EMILY
DICKINSON, BECAUSE HER WORK WAS CENSORED.  

GILLAN:
THE NEXT BOOK, "A ROOM OF ONE'S OWN," BY VIRGINIA WOOLF
WRITTEN IN 1929, I BELIEVE.  TALK TO ME ABOUT THAT.  

AUERBACH:
IT BEGAN AS A SERIES OF LECTURES TO YOUNG WOMEN COLLEGE
STUDENTS.  AT THAT POINT, SHE WAS KICKED OFF OXFORD AND
CAMBRIDGE GROUNDS.  IT'S A CALL TO ARMS, I THINK.  SHE TALKS
TO THE WOMEN AND SAYS FIND THAT CREATIVITY, FIND A ROOM
OF YOUR OWN.  WHENEVER I READ IT, I FEEL LIKE COMPOSING
MUSIC, PAINTING A PICTURE OR WRITING A BOOK.  SHE HAS THIS
WONDERFUL GIFT FOR MAKING PEOPLE THINK OF CREATIVITY.  

GILLAN:
WE HAVE FINALLY, THE LAST ONE, AND THE ONLY, WELL, I SAY
CONTEMPORARY, BUT THE ONLY REALLY CURRENT NOVEL RIGHT
HERE, TONI MORRISON'S "JAZZ".  WHY?  

AUERBACH:
I LIKE MANY OF HER NOVELS, INCLUDING "BELOVED" AND "SONG
OF SOLOMON," BUT "JAZZ" I THINK SHE BRINGS TOGETHER THE
AFRICAN-AMERICAN MUSICAL TRADITION IN A MARVELOUS WAY. 
AND IT WAS SO EXCITING WHEN SHE GOT THE NOBEL PRIZE.  I
HAVE TO SAY, I ONLY GOT TO PICK FIVE, BUT THERE ARE
HUNDREDS OF WONDERFUL WOMEN'S BOOKS TO READ.  

GILLAN:
I AM GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP.  WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT
THE COLLECTION WE HAVE, AND THIS IS SUBSTANTIAL
LITERATURE, BUT THE BULK OF IT IS OLDER LITERATURE.  SOME
ARE PURE CLASSICS.  YOU KNOW.  I DON'T MEAN TO BE CRUDE,
BUT YOU KNOW, I ALMOST FELT LIKE I WAS IN ENGLISH CLASS FOR
A SECOND.  BUT YOU DON'T HAVE MANY -- YOU DIDN'T BRING
MANY CONTEMPORARY PEOPLE.  

AUERBACH:
I'M A JANE AUSTEN SCHOLAR.  ONE OF THE REASONS IS BECAUSE I
AM STRUCK BY THEIR COURAGE.  THESE WERE WOMEN WHO WERE
TOLD TO BE SILENT.  THEY HAD TO OFTEN CHANGE THEIR NAMES. 
IN THE CASE OF TONI MORRISON, I THINK IT WAS A
BREAKTHROUGH WHEN THE FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN WOMAN
WRITER WON THE NOBEL PRIZE FOR LITERATURE.  I HEARD THE
NEWS ON THE RADIO AND I SHOUTED I WAS SO HAPPY.  THESE ARE
COURAGEOUS BRAVE WOMEN.  

GILLAN:
IF JANE AUSTEN AND CHARLOTTE BRONTE AND VIRGINIA WOOLF
AND EMILY DICKINSON WERE ALIVE TODAY, WHAT WOULD THEY
BE WRITING ABOUT?  WOULD WE GET THE SAME KIND OF VOICE IN
THEIR WORKS FROM THEM?  

AUERBACH:
THAT'S HARD TO SAY.  BUT I THINK THEY WOULD FIND PLENTY OF
SUBJECT MATTER.  LIKE I SAID, EMILY DICKINSON CAN WRITE A
POEM ABOUT A HOUSE FLY.  SHE CAN WRITE ABOUT ANYTHING,
FROM FACULTY MEETINGS TO POLITICS, TO WHATEVER IT WAS,
AND TURN IT INTO POETRY.  I WISH JANE AUSTEN WERE HERE,
BECAUSE SHE'D WRITE BRILLIANT SATIRE.  

GILLAN:
AND I THINK THAT THIS WOULD BE QUITE AN INTERESTING
LABORATORY AND THEY COULD USE THEIR SENSE OF
OBSERVATION.  SOME VERY GOOD READING.  EMILY, THANK YOU
FOR JOINING US.  

ANNOUNCER:
IN CASE YOU DIDN'T WRITE THEM DOWN, YOU CAN GET ALL OF
THOSE BOOK PICKS, AS WELL AS MORE ON ALL OF OUR STORIES
TONIGHT ON "WEEKEND" AT THE "WEEKEND" WEB SITE.  

WE HAVE THE END OF THE PERIOD OVER AT THE WCHA PLAYOFFS. 
WISCONSIN AGAINST MICHIGAN TECH, THE SCORE STILL 1-0 IN
FAVOR OF WISCONSIN.  WE'LL CHECK IN AGAIN LATER IN THE
SHOW TO GET ANOTHER SCORE FOR YOU.  

IN THE MEANTIME, NEXT ON "WEEKEND," WE HAVE A
RETROSPECTIVE ON ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS MUSICIANS TO
EVER COME OUT OF WISCONSIN, PEE WEE KING.  AND THE
"WEEKEND" POLITICAL PANEL JOINS US TO DIVE INTO THE DETAILS
OF THE STATE SUPREME COURT RACE.  THAT'S ALL AHEAD ON
"WEEKEND." 





LOEW:
GLENN MILLER, BENNY GOODMAN-- PEE WEE KING?  WHEN YOU
THINK OF SWING, PEE WEE KING MAY NOT BE THE FIRST NAME
THAT COMES TO MIND.  

GILLAN:
BUT WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT COUNTRY SWING, KING IS AT THE
TOP OF THE LIST.  SADLY, THIS GREAT WISCONSIN-BORN MUSICIAN
PASSED AWAY IN A LOUISVILLE HOSPITAL ON TUESDAY.  HE WAS
86.  

LOEW:
DURING THE HEIGHT OF HIS CAREER, KING PERFORMED WEEKLY
AT THE GRAND OLE OPRY.  AND HE'S THE ONLY MUSICIAN TO RIDE
AN ACCORDION INTO THE COUNTRY MUSIC HALL OF FAME.  

GILLAN:
TONIGHT AS A TRIBUTE TO PEE WEE, DAVID HESTAD AND TRACY
WILL TALKED WITH SOME OF KING'S FORMER BAND MATES WHO
LIVE IN MILWAUKEE AND TELL US HOW PEE WEE BECAME THE
KING OF COUNTRY SWING.  

TRACY WILL:
PEE WEE KING WAS BORN JULIUS FRANCIS KAZINSKI IN 1914 ON
MILWAUKEE'S SOUTH SIDE.  HE STARTED WITH THE VIOLIN, THEN
TOOK UP THE ACCORDION AND LATER PLAYED IN HIS FATHER
JOHN'S POLKA BAND.  WITH THE STAGE NAME "FRANKIE KING" HIS
BAND, THE "KINGS JESTERS" PERFORMED ACROSS SOUTHEAST
WISCONSIN AND ON LOCAL RADIO STATIONS IN THE EARLY 30s.  BY
1938, KING AND HIS ACCORDION ARRIVED IN HOLLYWOOD,
LEAVING THE GOLDEN WEST COWBOYS AND GENE AUTRY'S
SINGING MOVIE, "GOLD MINE IN THE SKY."  AS A SONGWRITER AND
BAND LEADER, PEE WEE KING INTRODUCED A TRADITIONAL
WISCONSIN INSTRUMENT, THE ACCORDION, TO COUNTRY AND
WESTERN MUSIC.  

SO, HOW DID THE POLISH BOY FROM SOUTH MILWAUKEE END UP
AS A STAR OF THE GRAND OLE OPRY?  IT BEGAN AT PLACES LIKE
THIS, ART'S CONCERTINA BAR IN THE SOUTH SIDE OF MILWAUKEE. 
I'M HERE WITH TWO OF THE PLAYERS IN THE BANDS IN
MILWAUKEE AT THAT TIME.  MAX, YOU CAME FROM A MUSICAL
FAMILY.  HOW YOUNG WERE YOU WHEN YOU FIRST STARTED
PLAYING?  

MAX "KING" KUCZYNSKI:
I WAS ABOUT 10 YEARS OLD.  

WILL:
WHAT DID YOU START PLAYING?  

KUCZYNSKI:
I PLAYED MY DAD'S CONCERTINA.  

WILL:
WHEN YOU STARTED PLAYING PROFESSIONALLY, WHERE DID YOU
START?  DID YOU PLAY FOR POLISH GATHERINGS?  WHAT'S IT LIKE
BEING POLISH ON THE SOUTH SIDE?  WAS MUSIC IMPORTANT TO
THE POLISH?  

TEDDY "FABIAN" PYZYK:
THOSE DAYS WAS A LOT OF POLISH WEDDINGS.  

KUCZYNSKI:
MAX PLAYED A LOT.  

PYZYK:
WHAT WE PLAYED THE MUSIC, IT WAS BEAUTIFUL MUSIC. 
BEAUTIFUL WALTZES, PEOPLE USED TO DANCE AND HUG AND
THEY USED TO -- IT WAS ROMANCE, IT WAS ALL -- IT WAS LOVELY. 
IT WAS SOMETHING THAT GAVE INSPIRATION AND LOVE.  THAT'S
THE TYPE OF MUSIC.  NOW?  

WILL:
WE NEED MORE OF THAT MUSIC TODAY.  BUT NOW?  

(LAUGH)

KUCZYNSKI:
NOW...  

WILL:
PEE WEE KING'S BIG BREAK CAME IN 1932, WHEN GENE AUTRY'S
CAR CRASHED NEAR RACINE.  AS THE CAR WAS GETTING FIXED IN
THE GARAGE, AUTREY'S MANAGER, DALE FRANK, HEARD PEE WEE
PLAY ON THE RADIO.  HE CALLED UP THE STATION, HIRED KING ON
THE SPOT AND KING CONTINUED THE TOUR OF WISCONSIN DATES
WITH GENE AUTRY'S BAND AND WENT OFF AROUND THE COUNTRY
ON A ROAD THAT WOULD LEAD TO THE GRAND OLD OPRY.  

PYZYK:
WE WENT TO LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY AND WE TRAVELED
TOGETHER AND PLAYED TOGETHER AND HE WAS AN EXCELLENT
ACCORDION PLAYER.  WE PLAYED OVER W-H-E-S IN LOUISVILLE,
KENTUCKY.  

WILL:
HOW DID RADIO HELP A BAND?  

PYZYK:
WELL, IT GAVE IT EXPOSURE.  WHEN WE WORKED, AND THE
ANNOUNCEMENT, "LOG CABIN BOYS, " AND WE'D HAVE TATER TED
AND BUDDY BROCK AND PEE WEE KING, WHATEVER.  AND THEN
PEOPLE WOULD REMEMBER THAT.  BECAUSE WE WERE ON EVERY
DAY, EVERY DAY, 7:15 OR SOMETIMES 12:15.  AND PEOPLE KNEW
YOU.  YOU THEN WHEN MADE PERSONAL APPEARANCES YOU
SIGNED AUTOGRAPHS.  IT WAS A GREAT LIFE.  

WILL:
DURING WORLD WAR II, KING AND THE GOLDEN WEST COWBOYS
TOURED MILITARY BASES WITH MINI PEARL AND OTHERS ON THE
CARAVAN.  AFTER THE WAR, THE GRAND OLD OPRY RADIO SHOW,
RECORDINGS AND LIVE PERFORMANCES MADE THE COWBOYS
AMERICA'S FAVORITE SWING BAND.  

IN 1948, KING TEAMED WITH HIS FIDDLE PLAYER AND SINGER RED
STUART AND PENNED THE TENNESSEE WALTZ.  

MUSIC:
I WAS DANCING WITH MY DARLING
TO THE TENNESSEE WALTZ...

WILL:
WHEN POP SINGER PATTY PAIGE RECORDED THAT SONG IN 1952,
THE TENNESSEE WALTZ CROSSED OVER TO TOP THE POP CHARTS. 
IT SOLD SIX MILLION RECORDS ON THE WAY TO BECOME ONE OF
THE MOST POPULAR SONGS IN HISTORY AND AN AMERICAN
CLASSIC.  

MUSIC:
...MY FRIEND STOLE MY SWEETHEART FROM ME...

WILL:
PEE WEE KING, AN AMERICAN CLASSIC, FROM MILWAUKEE.  

GILLAN:
AND AN ORIGINAL.  TRACY WILL NARRATED THE FEATURE, THE
STORY PRODUCED BY DAVID HESTAD.  

ANNOUNCER:
LET'S CHECK IN AT THE KOHL CENTER HERE IN MADISON.  IT
LOOKS LIKE THE SCORE IS STILL BADGERS 1, HUSKIES 0, AS THEY
CLEAN UP THE ICE FOR THE NEXT PERIOD.  GOOD LUCK TO THE
WISCONSIN BADGERS IN THEIR WCHA FIGHT.  DON'T FORGET YOU
CAN WATCH TONIGHT'S GAME IN ITS ENTIRETY HERE ON
WISCONSIN PUBLIC TELEVISION, TONIGHT AT 10:30.  TOMORROW'S
GAME WILL AIR AT 10:35.  

COMING UP NEXT, THEY HAVE BEEN KNOWN TO DO HIGH STICKING
THEMSELVES.  AND THEY ARE NO STARS ON THE ICE.  THAT'S
RIGHT, IT'S THIS WEEK'S POLITICAL PANEL.  DIXON, SOGLIN AND
SCHOLZ JOIN US TO SKATE THROUGH THE DETAILS OF THIS YEAR'S
STATE SUPREME COURT RACE COMING UP NEXT ON "WEEKEND." 




LOEW:
THE SUPREME COURT MAY BE THE MOST DIGNIFIED STATE PUBLIC
OFFICE TO BE EXPOSED TO THE INDIGNITY OF ELECTIVE POLITICS. 
BUT AN ELECTIVE OFFICE IT IS.  AND WITH IT COMES HARDBALL
POLITICAL STRATEGIES, AND BIG MONEY.  AS WE REPORTED
EARLIER, NEARLY $1.5 MILLION WAS COLLECTIVELY SPENT
DURING LAST YEAR'S ABRAHAMSON AND ROSE RACE.  THE
POLITICAL TACTICS OF SOME OF THE PARTICIPANTS IN ANOTHER
RACE, THE 1997 WILCOX-KELLY RACE, ARE UNDER CONTINUING
COURT INVESTIGATION THIS WEEK.  AT ISSUE IS WHETHER OR NOT
INCUMBENT JON WILCOX KNOWINGLY COLLABORATED WITH A
SPECIAL INTEREST GROUP IN PAID MAILINGS AND KNOWN CALLS.  

YOU ALMOST NEED A LAWYER TO UNDERSTAND SUPREME COURT
POLITICS AND LUCKY THING, WE HAVE TWO OF THEM WITH US
TONIGHT ON THE PANEL.  DEMOCRATIC STRATEGIST AND
ATTORNEY BILL DIXON IS HERE AS IS LAWYER AND FORMER
MADISON MAYOR PAUL SOGLIN.  BRANDON SCHOLZ IS A
REPUBLICAN POLITICAL CONSULTANT AND PRESIDENT OF THE
WISCONSIN GROCERS ASSOCIATION AND PLAYS A LAWYER ON TV--
NO, NO, THAT'S NOT TRUE.  YOU HAVE BEEN FOLLOWING THE
STATE SUPREME COURT RACE.  TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE
DIFFERENCES IN STYLE BETWEEN SYKES AND BUTLER.  

BRANDON SCHOLZ:
WELL, AT THE OUTSET, I MEAN, JUSTICE SYKES IS ON THE COURT. 
SO, RIGHT AWAY THAT CREATES A SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE TWO CANDIDATES IN THE WAY THEY RUN. 
RUNNING ALMOST AS AN INCUMBENT, BUTLER IS VIEWED ALMOST
AS THE CHALLENGER.  THEY HARKEN BACK A LITTLE TO THEIR
EXPERIENCE, WITH SYKES BEING ON THE CIRCUIT COURT, BUTLER
ON A MUNICIPAL COURT.  BUTLER'S FORCED TO TRY AND TALK
ABOUT YOU KNOW, THAT HE COULD DO THE WORK ON THE
SUPREME COURT.  BUT NO MATTER HOW THEY DO THAT, THIS IS
SUCH A LOW KEY RACE, IT'S A RACE THAT YOU REALLY, PEOPLE
JUST DON'T FOLLOW.  EVEN THE LAWYERS PROBABLY DON'T
FOLLOW IT ALL THAT MUCH.  

LOEW:
I THINK MOST ATTORNEYS, LET'S HOPE, KNOW THE DIFFERENCE IN
DUTIES BETWEEN A MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE AND A CIRCUIT
COURT JUDGE.  BUT WILL THE PUBLIC-- DOES THE PUBLIC KNOW
WHAT A MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGE DOES AND WHAT A CIRCUIT
COURT JUDGE DOES?  

PAUL SOGLIN:
ANY ONE PICKED UP FOR SPEEDING SHOULD.  

BILL DIXON:
AND ANYONE WHO WATCHES THE SHOW TONIGHT SHOULD.  THE
MUNICIPAL JUDGES ARE USUALLY THE FIRST LEVEL OF JUDICIAL
AUTHORITY ONE ENCOUNTERS IN THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM, UNLESS
THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING REALLY WORTH WHILE AND THEY
GET RIGHT BEFORE A CIRCUIT COURT JUDGE.  BUT THE LOUIS
BUTLER IS ONE OF TWO MUNICIPAL COURT JUDGES, I BELIEVE, IN
MILWAUKEE.  AND YOU LOOK AT-- THERE'S OVER 30 CIRCUIT
COURT JUDGES IN MILWAUKEE, WHICH JUSTICE SYKES WAS.  

LOEW:
DO YOU THINK THE PUBLIC, I MEAN, DOES THE PUBLIC KNOW AND
WILL THE PUBLIC CARE?  

SOGLIN:
THEY SHOULD KNOW AND THEY BETTER CARE.  AND THEY
SHOULD DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THE FUTURE OF THE STATE IS
IMPORTANT.  I DON'T THINK THERE IS ANY QUESTION GIVEN THE
IMMENSE AUTHORITY EVEN OF STRICT CONSTRUCTION, STRICT
CONSTRUCTIONISTS WITHIN THE JUDICIARY, THAT THE WEIGHT OF
THE JUDICIARY WITHIN OUR THREE-PART GOVERNMENTAL
SYSTEM IS IMMENSE, IT'S ENORMOUS.  

LOEW:
WE'RE HEARING THAT TERM A LOT, STRICT CONSTRUCTIONIST. 
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?  

DIXON:
IT MEANS THE POLLS HAVE SAID IT'S A GOOD THING TO SAY. 
WE'RE NOT GOING TO LEGISLATE FROM THE BENCH.  THIS IS WHAT
EVERY JUDICIAL CANDIDATE, EVERY CANDIDATE FOR THE
SUPREME COURT HAS ALWAYS SAID.  LET'S REMIND OUR VIEWERS
OF SOMETHING, FIVE OF THE SEVEN CURRENT JUSTICES WERE
APPOINTED FIRST.  THEY WEREN'T ELECTED.  THEY WERE
APPOINTED BY A GOVERNOR.  ONLY ONE INCUMBENT HAS BEEN
DEFEATED IN THE LAST THIRD OF A CENTURY ON THE SUPREME
COURT.  I THINK THAT MIGHT TELL YOU SOMETHING ABOUT WHO
SHOULD BE THE FAVORITE WITH ONE OF THEM BEING APPOINTED
BY GOVERNOR THOMPSON AND BEING THE FAVORITE.  

LOEW:
GEE, YOU SOUND A LITTLE CYNICAL.  

DIXON:
NOT REALLY.  I WAS GOING TO SAY WHAT WAS MOST IMPORTANT
TO ME WAS, BUT YOU GOT THEM ON THIS PROGRAM.  AND JUSTICE
SYKES DOESN'T TALK ABOUT THE LAW.  THAT'S IN CONTRAST TO
THE WAY CHIEF JUSTICE ABRAHAMSON DID IT.  YOU KNOW,
PEOPLE MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND IF THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH
THAT OR NOT.  

SOGLIN:
AND IN THIS ROLE AS A JUSTICE, I THINK THERE ARE QUALITIES,
WE SAW THE CANDIDATES ARGUE WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS
IMPORTANT.  CLEARLY, THERE IS NO PATTERN AS TO EXPERIENCE
THAT SHOWS THAT SHOWS THAT SOMEONE WITH A LEGISLATIVE
BACKGROUND, SOMEONE WITH A BACKGROUND AS A PRACTICING
ATTORNEY, SOMEONE WITH A BACKGROUND WITH THE JUDICIARY
IS MORE SUITABLE AS A CANDIDATE THAN SOMEONE ELSE.  WHAT
IS IMPORTANT IS THAT WE KNOW WHAT THEY THINK.  THAT'S
REAL IMPORTANT.  AND IF THEY WALTZ AROUND WHAT THEY
THINK WE HAVE TO BE SUSPICIOUS.  THAT'S WHAT DISTURBS ME
ABOUT THE INCUMBENT IN THIS RACE.  AND I'M SORRY, I CAN'T
ACCEPT THIS NOTION THAT YOU CAN SAY NOTHING.  SERIOUSLY,
YOU KNOW, WE START OUT WITH HER PREMISE, IT MEANS IN
EFFECT THAT ANYTHING POSSIBLE THAT THE SUBJECT OF
LEGISLATION BY HER STANDARD CANNOT BE ADDRESSED BY A
CANDIDATE.  THAT'S NONSENSE.  

SCHOLZ:
YOU HAVE THE JUDICIAL CODE OF ETHICS WHICH SOME
CANDIDATES INTERPRET AS A MILLSTONE AROUND THEIR NECK
AND THAT IT LIMITS WHAT THEY CAN TALK ABOUT, SO THEY TRY
TO FIND OTHER WAYS TO BRING THEIR CAMPAIGN TO GIVE IT
SOME LIFE, TO GIVE IT EXPOSURE.  SYKES, YOU GO OUT AND GET
ENDORSEMENTS.  THAT'S WHAT SYKES IS DOING.  SHE'S GETTING
ENDORSEMENTS FROM FORMER SUPREME COURT JUSTICES,
FORMER GOVERNORS, SHERIFFS, D.A.s.  I THOUGHT THE MOST
INTRIGUING THING THEY DID TO BRING THE CAMPAIGN IN FRONT
OF THE PEOPLE WAS TO TAKE PUBLIC FINANCING AND AGREE TO
SPENDING LIMITS.  

LOEW:
BEFORE WE GET TO THAT, WHY IS IT THAT JUSTICES OR JUDICIAL
CANDIDATES WILL SAY, I CAN'T TALK ABOUT THIS BECAUSE THIS
COULD BE A POTENTIAL ISSUE, UNLESS IT'S CRIME, IF IT'S CRIME,
BOY, EVERYBODY WANTS TO BE TOUGH ON CRIME.  AND THAT IS
AN ISSUE THAT PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO TALK ABOUT.  

DIXON:
ONE REASON JUDICIAL CANDIDATES WANT TO SAY THAT IS AT
LEAST 50% OF THEM, USUALLY, IS THEY ARE THE INCUMBENT.  

SOGLIN:
IT PANDERS TO THE VOTERS.  IT DOESN'T GET US TO
FUNDAMENTAL QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT IS THE FIRST
AMENDMENT, WHAT DOES THE LEGISLATION MEAN.  MOST OF
THESE JUSTICES WOULD AS SOON NOT HAVE TO STATE THAT.  

SCHOLZ:
VOTERS DON'T GO THAT DEEP INTO JUDICIAL RACES, WHETHER IT'S
THE SUPREME COURT OR THE CIRCUIT COURT OR APPELLATE
COURT.  VOTERS DON'T GO THAT DEEP.  THEY SEE SOMEBODY
RUNNING FOR JUDGE AND THEY SAY, HOW ARE YOU ON CRIME? 
YOU KNOW.  YOU'RE A JUDGE, WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO?  ARE
YOU GOING TO BE THE HANGING JUDGE OR LET THEM GO FREE
KIND OF JUDGE?  THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE SORT OF ISSUES, I
THINK, THE COURT'S DEAL WITH.  

SOGLIN:
I HAVE ENDORSED ONE OF THE CANDIDATES IN THIS RACE.  I WILL
LET THE VIEWERS TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHICH ONE IT IS.  I HOPE
THEY CAN.  

LOEW:
WE SHOULD PROBABLY SHARE THAT THOUGH, WITH THEM.  I
WOULD IMAGINE IT WOULD BE MR. BUTLER.  

SOGLIN:
I THINK IT IS.  YES.  

LOEW:
ANYBODY ELSE WANT TO CLEAR THEIR CONSCIENCES?  

SCHOLZ:
I ACTUALLY HAVEN'T.  THAT'S HARD TO BELIEVE.  I PROBABLY
KNOW WHO I'M GOING TO VOTE FOR, BUT I'M NOT WORKING ON A
RACE.  I'M NOT WORKING THE SUPREME COURT RACE.  

LOEW:
BRANDON SCHOLZ, PAUL SOGLIN, BILL DIXON, THANK YOU.  JEFF?  

GILLAN:
WELL, THAT IS IT FOR "WEEKEND," ON MARCH 10, 2000.  WE THANK
YOU VERY MUCH FOR JOINING US.  REMEMBER TO TUNE IN TO
"WEEKEND" AGAIN NEXT FRIDAY TO HEAR FIRST-HAND FROM THE
STATE SUPREME COURT RACE CANDIDATES, JUSTICE DIANE SYKES
AND JUDGE LOUIS BUTLER.  UNTIL THEN, HAVE A GOOD WEEK.  



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