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The very first feedback on my page comes from Lord Sandman.  As you will see, he's a super hacker.

Question:  Why in the world do real hackers tolerate brats like these giving such a bad name to hacking? Notice that at www.stupidpeople.com  a jerk who calls himself a "hacker" is openly encouraging people to email bomb me and make harassing phone calls to my girlfriend (yes, he thinks hacking is anonymous phone calls toward somebody who has nothing to do with him).  Hackers, is THIS how you want to be represented--by the likes of Lord Sandman? Sandman is even starting to put racists comments on his page.

Note:  The site at www.stupidpeople.com has been changed since I wrote that.  You can see the history of this here on this page.

Note:  Look at the title.  This is the FEEDBACK page.  Before criticizing me for my views, be sure you actually read my views, at my "not cool" page.   Please do not criticize ME for giving a bad name to hackers while you say nothing to people like Lord Sandman who are the ones doing the real damage.

Discussing this person's amazing lack of literary skills would be like taking candy from a baby. So, instead, let's examine his claim of great hacking skills. He's a "pertty good hacker" and he knows all about anonymous email. It looks like Lord Sandman can at least brag. (He also signed my guestbook.)

For all his expertise, I wonder why, immediately prior to coming to my website, he was at Infoseek trying to find out how to do what I thought everybody knew how to do. While at Infoseek, he first searched for "a program to send E-mail bombs". Then he modified the search to add "how to send multiple e-mails". Then he further modified his search to include "multiple e-mail". He modified his search again to search for "hacker chat". Then he visited my website, and sent me his email. Now why would such an expert on email have to look for programs on how to send "multiple e-mail"? But it does appear that Lord Sandman (Or should I call him "joker") has really shown how to send anonymous email from pointbbs.com! (How hard is it to add two and two and come up with joker@pointbbs.com?) He has really taught me what a great hacker he is, and how good he is at anonymous email! What a LaMeR I am! Or am I a "piss ant"? I obviously know nothing about computers, and this guy is a "pertty good hacker."

It's clear that this guy doesn't know anything about email, anonymous or not. (He can't even format a fake email address correctly.) But he sure knows what he wants out of life--to screw with people. Some day, even with his limited intelligence, he will find out how to send "email bombs." And his system administrator and his mommy and daddy are going to be hearing about it.

Update, March 15, 1997:  After I had written to this guy (and his system administrator) about this, he wrote back to me to demand that I remove his email from this feedback page. He tells me that I'm breaking the law and I should stop harrassing him! He says that I offended him with my "hackers" page, but he was only expressing his opinion when he sent me his email. So he gets to do anything he wants, but I can do only what he tells me! He wants to send people anonymous email bombs, but as soon as I send him non-anonymous email about his actions toward me, he says I'm harrassing him, and he threatens to write to my system administrator!

For all the complaining about how my web site sucks, Lord Sandman was reluctant to give me the URL of his site. After stalling long enough to go to a site that provides free webpages to anybody who asks for them, he quickly created one, and having created it, then gave me the URL. You can see his cool hacker website here. The guy is a technical genius, huh? (At least he didn't misspell any of the two words he used in his site, which shows vast improvement in his educational level.)

On March 20, 1997, I noticed that the link to Lord Sandman's website doesn't work any more. I'll leave it here for the time being, though, in case it's just a technical problem. For those of you who get an error message when you click on the link, it was just 30K of two words repeated: "Dan Sucks." That's all it was. I assure you that both words were spelled correctly.

March 23, 1997. It seems never-ending.... Now the link works again. It seems Lord Sandman has found Jesus. And he objects to my "uncalled for" email coming into his email account. I guess I can reveal something else about Lord Sandman. He has been in adult chat rooms on the web, pretending to be a girl, and giving my email address to males and inviting them to further erotic conversations through email. (Is this supposed to be an example of "hacking"?) So the "Dan Sucks" web site is now a Jesus appreciation web site. This from the guy who used the return address of "lord_sandman"@bitme.fuck.off, publicly posted his vulgar language in my guestbook, and sent his disgusting "anonymous" email where he brags about how good he is at screwing with people. Lord Sandman had threatened earlier to put a link to my website on his site. I urged him to do so, but he hasn't yet.

June 16, 1997. I just checked Lord Sandman's site. He's changed his website again. Now he is "CyberStar." What is CyberStar? According to the information on his site, it is a "Professional Security Council," and it says, "Cyber Star is a group of 2 professionals that will help your system become free of security flaws." So if you need information on super-cool hackers and such (maybe even anonymous email), I guess this is the place you should go visit. He offers to trace IP addresses for people, and he says it shouldn't take more than two weeks. I wonder if he knows that there are websites where you can do that in about one minute..... Once again, if you need a professional at hacking, visit Cyber Star . (See below for more on Lord Sandman and Cyber Star.)

And here is a nice one. This one even has many mean hackers at his fingertips. I'm sure he commands entire armies of hackers from his AOL account, and all he has to do is snap his fingers and they will blindly obey his commands. (It amuses me how some people order me to say what they want me to say on my web site. I think I'll pass.) But of course, nobody is going to see this, because my web site is going to mysteriously disppear seconds after I put his message here. (Which I did at 10:20pm, CST, March 30, 1997.) Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.

Here is feedback from a hacker who spends a bit of time to criticize me for my views on malicious jerks.

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:58:09 -0600

To: dpressne@ns.vvm.com

From: CyberToast <toast@ilf.net>

Subject: Your distorted opinion



Hi there. I am just writing to you to explain your distorted view on

"hacking" The page you wrote depicts hackers being "malicious,

harrassing,etc.." This is not true at all. You don't know the true side of

the computer underground. The people you have come in contact with are all

"newbies" or AOL lamers. 99% of the newsgroup postings you published were

IRC related. I hate to tell you or anyone else that feels IRC is hacking

but it isn't. People that post messages asking for war scripts, etc. are



just immature kids. They havn't experienced "hacking" These people that

harrass are not hackers. I feel your page is unjust. If it actually got

any traffic I would take it down myself. But, I will leave it up to you to

make the right decisions. I read the feedback you put and for the record I

am here to say this is not anonimized. And you can visit my page at

http://www.ilf.net/Toast/ or reach me on #hackteach on undernet



-CyberToast



[long ASCII graphic deleted here]

So, if CyberToast thought enough people were reading my page, he would "take it down" himself. What was that he said about hackers like him not being malicious?  He starts out saying things I agree with.  But when he expresses his willingness to take my page down becasue he doesn't like my views, to me that's censorship, pure and simple. That's not what hackers are about.

And now for somebody who is really nice. (I really do appreciate all this feedback showing me what great people hackers are, by the way.) 

Remember, folks. Hackers will rule the world. And you better not express your opinions unless you agree with these people. It's a bright future that we have, isn't it, when the smart ones are like Blood Angel?

Look who's back!  Here is email I have just received.  I'm forwarding it to the FBI, because, according to the FBI's website, use of the name or initials of the FBI is restricted by law.

 Lord Sandman thinks this is untraceable.  It's not.  He's still as stupid and incompetent as he's always been. And I'm getting very fed up and mad. But he did find his "program to send email bombs," just as I predicted.  He's using Avalanche 1.0. Isn't he just the sweetest little boy you've ever seen?

Update, 11:30pm (-500), July 17, 1997.  I just got email from Lord Sandman (joker@pointbbs.com).  He says I have two days to remove the link to his website (Cyber Star) or he is going to sue me.  I'm not removing the link.  If this guy really wants to go into court and have a judge and jury hear about all the things he's done, that's fine with me. I'm not going to give in to this punk.

Update July 18, 1997.  I waited until I got confirmation before adding this....  "Somebody" has been adding me to email discussion lists without my knowledge over the past few days.  I just received a message from the administrator of one of the lists.  The ISP number of the subscriber, which was recorded during the subscription process, was 206.41.37.30.  That is joker@pointbbs.com. Now, what was that Lord Sandman was saying about lawsuits? I've also been told by damx@voicenet.com, Lord Sandman's partner at Cyber Star, that I am a vengeful person, and that two wrongs don't make a right.  After all the multiple wrongs his buddy has done to me, he has the nerve to tell me "two wrongs don't make a right."  When I started my "hacker" page, I honestly didn't realize how much effort these "hackers" would make to prove their cowardice and double standards.  I'm genuinely surprised that they have tried so hard to prove my point.

When Lord Sandman started hassling me, I wrote to his system administrator.  Unfortunately, his system administrator at pointbbs.com told me to lay off, and that Sandman is basically a good kid who just made a mistake.  So I laid off.... and now all of this renewed hassling.  I'm not going to deal with Sandman's administrator any more.  I'll deal with this myself.  If the administrator refuses to deal with a punk like Lord Sandman who wants to mail bomb people and to do all the other things he's been doing, then it's pointless to work through that channel, and I won't.

The latest development is that Lord Sandman has changed the information at Cyber Star.  He says that due to harassment by a "hacker hater" he's had to change his email address.  Now, if any of you readers want some security experts in your system snooping around, just click on the email links there on his page.  But you should be aware of something.  If you click on "Webmaster@supernews.com" you will not be sending email to the webmaster at supernews.com.  You will be sending it to sandman2001@supernews.com, the super hacker.  And if you click on "Webmaster@voicenet.com," you won't be sending email to the webmaster of voicenet.com.  You will be sending it to damx@voicenet.com, who has a hacker page at voicenet.com (or at least he did). You figure it out.

I just received the following email, and to be fair about it, I'll put it here.

I also notice that the two "webmaster" addresses at Cyber Star have been changed now to the real addresses of these guys.

Somebody threatened me, in a voice call, July 19, 1997, saying I must take down my webpages, "or else."  The caller was anonymous.  There is no shortage of brave hackers in the world, is there?

The latest on Lord Sandman is that his account at pointbbs.com has been suspended for two weeks, or so I've been told.  I think that's an extremely light punishment, given his already displayed willingness to move on to bigger and better things (that is, bigger and better screwing with people for no reason).  Lord Sandman has also told me that he's just going to forget about me, and all the mean things I've done to him.  How generous!

My note to Lord Sandman, the super hacker:  So you think it's cool to screw with people for absolutely no reason.  You think you should also be able to do it anonymously and get away with it.  Yet, you cry like a spoiled baby when I fight back nonanonymously.  I guess you get some kind of thrill from it and you imagine yourself as some kind of brave guy.  You are not.  You are a punk and a coward.  After your "anonymous" phone call to my girlfriend, where you told her to tell me to take down my website "or else," I removed all links to her and anything that would associate myself with her.  I know you got the phone number by searching for her on the net, and I didn't want a repeat.  Sandman, you are on my shit list.  You will always be on my shit list.  You are on my shit list because you are shit.  It's that simple.  You are nothing more, and you will never be anything more than that.  And if I get another cowardly "anonymous" phone call from you, you are going to regret that you imagined yourself as some brave hacker.  You are going to be sorry that you ever had a keyboard to use to type your disgusting filth while you hide behind one anonymous email address after another, imagining yourself safe from decent people who will fight back at people like you.  You imagine yourself as brilliant.  You are not. You are stupid.  You are illiterate, uneducated, and technically incompetent.  Sandman, if I hear anything else from you, I'm going to copy this web page and post it to Usenet, so it will be archived and available to read long after I'm dead and this page is gone.  You deserve a lot more than just the words I can type.  You need to have your sorry ass kicked, and then kicked some more.  You are nothing but a punk, and you are not a very good one, at that.  It sickens me to think of all the people who are terrorized by scum like you.  It makes me want to throw up to think of all the money and recources spent to deal with losers like you who have nothing better to do than try to destroy the good things that so many people try to build for the world.

Sandman, I've put back the links and pages I had removed after your cowardly phone call.  My girlfriend told me she didn't think you deserved the satisfaction that would come from your thinking you can bully people with your attempts at terror.  If you are not finished with me, I'm not finished with you.  At least develop a brain big enough to realize how stupid you are, and stop your childish behavior.  Otherwise, you are going to be in a lot more trouble.  That's a promise, punk!

I've got some suggestions for you, Lord Sandman:

First, become a human being.

Second, quit imagining that you are brave.

Third, quit imagining that you are smart.

Fourth, stop whining when people fight you back.

Fifth, get an education.  Enrolling in the first grade would be a good start.

Sixth, if you are going to claim to have worked at a major university as a system analyst, learn to spell analyst.  It's not "analist."

Got it, Sandman (aka Super Hacker)?

(October 5, 1997) Lord Sandman just won't give up.  He's got a new web site devoted just to me and nothing else.  It's filled with lies, but then that's Lord Sandman for you.  You might want to visit the site, called  Welcome To The Dan Sucks Web Page .  It's good for a laugh.  I might put more here later about the site.  But for the time being, it's sufficient to note that Lord Sandman is proving that he's going to be one of life's premier losers forever.

I just received the following:

(This email, with it's threat and racist language, is quoted approvingly on the Dan Sucks webpage that netcis.com maintains.)

(October 10, 1997) If you've visited Lord Sandman's page at www.stupidpeople.com, and read his site's guestbook, you will see that he makes many derogatory allegations about me, and repeatedly claims they are all the truth.  But click here.

(October 12, 1997) I found this entry in my guestbook:

I try to answer questions that appear in my guestbook, but this brave person somehow failed to identify himself in any way, so I am not sure I can answer this question.  I certainly can't respond to him.  (I guess he didn't want a response after all--he just wants to stir up trouble.)  If it is Sandman or any of his friends, then I think it is entirely fitting that somebody send a message calling him an asshole.  And I suppose it was through a CGI server (whatever he is referring to) because Sandman and his friends are such cowards they are afraid to let anybody know their email addresses.  I hope that answers this jerk's question.

Some children have been caught up in Sandman's malicious behavior, and have lost their access to the internet.  They visited his page, and based solely on what he said there, they sent me email asking me how it felt to be compared to hitler and be made fun of.  I replied to the email, inviting the sender to visit my pages, not realizing who I was replying to.  Their mother responded--it was her account they were using when they acted upon Sandman's invitation to email me and harass me.  The mother wrote this to me:

Mr. Pressnell,  I am apologizing for any offense my children made in regards to your web  page.  I had no idea they were abusing the privelege of using the  internet, but they will no longer have this privelege. Once again, as  their mother,please accept my apologies.

I'm sure Sandman is proud of himself. And the cult of "hackers" at NETCIS.COM is probably sad to see that it has lost some potential young, impressionable minds to shape.
 
In trying to get something done about Lord Sandman, I've received no assistance from people who should be responsible in these matters.  NETCIS.COM (who provides web space and other resources--including lessons in hacking--for people like Sandman) will take no action, and claims all this comes under "freedom of speech."  ACADIACOM.NET (Sandman's current internet service provider) will take no action and threatens to write to my service provider because I notified them of what's going on.  Sandman's friends only encourage him and tell me that I'm wrong for fighting back.  Some of his friends have told me the solution is for my girlfriend to change her phone number, and for us to change our service provider and email addresses and not do anything on the net under our real names.  His friends egg him on and tell me I'm a jerk.  They openly encourage him with statements like "you need to destroy dan" and "it was only a practical joke."  I have no choice--I've tried to get this resolved, but Sandman's friends and providers seem to like having him screw with people.  I am going to the police.

How much longer do innocent people have to suffer because of punks like Lord Sandman and the friends and service providers who protect and encourage the likes of him? And now much longer will people tolerate organizations like netcis.com contributing to the delinquency of minors?

(October 13, 1997)  The staff of netcis.com has updated the Dan Sucks web page.  They have removed ALL of Sandman's defamation, obscenity, threats and racist language toward me.  In fact, there is absolutely no reference whatsoever to Lord Sandman there any more. Now all that is left there is SOME of my email between LuAnn Tarter and me, leaving the page grossly deceptive because of their deliberate omission of what's behind it.  (I had saved the site to my disk before they altered it like this.)  Netcis.com is getting ready to file a complaint with my internet service provider, and they are removing all the things they don't want my service provider to see.  In other words, they are willfully destroying evidence before my service provider can see it and make a decision regarding me.  Another thing LuAnn Tarter of netcis.com fails to mention on the page is that not only does she own the page and serve in an admin position at netcis.com, she's one of the "hackers" who hangs out at hackersclub.com.  Another omission of hers is her email to me where she said she had nothing to do with the Dan Sucks web page, and it was a legitimate business site.  As it turns out, not only was it her page, she uploaded everything Sandman wanted uploaded there because he didn't have the password.  And she knew all the time that Sandman was under the age of 18. So, the facts are that LuAnn Tarter is a "hacker" at on the staff of netcis.com who actively assists minors who engage in malicious threats, harassment, defamation, and destruction.  The term "contributing to the delinquency of a minor" might come into play here.

Further update (18:54, CDT):  The site www.stupidpeople.com appears to be down entirely now.

(October 14, 1997)  My service provider has received a formal complaint against me from netcis.com.  They say I've been harassing one of their "customers" and their "CEO".  The complaint also says that there have been "complaints about Mr Pressnell subscribing people from this network to massive amounts of junk mail."  It's a baldface lie. So, did the staff of netcis.com take down www.stupidpeople.com out of the goodness of their hearts with the realization that it was the right thing to do?  No.  They were destroying evidence so they could appear to be presenting a valid complaint against me for "harassment."

(October 15, 1997)  My service provider has just notified me that they have investigated this matter and no action against me is warranted.

(October 17, 1997)  Almost by accident, I found Lord Sandman's correct phone number in an unlikely place on the net.  In one last-ditch effort to avoid having to call law enforcement officials in on this matter, I called and spoke to his mother, and then to him.  For some time, I had been frustrated, thinking that if I could just get in touch with his mother and let her know what was going on, she would put a stop to it.  But when I spoke to her, I was shocked to discover that she knew everything he was up to, yet had done nothing to stop it.  Her opinion is that I should take down my "hackers" web pages that offend her son, and then everything will be okay.  She kept stressing to me that he was a minor--as if that excused his actions--and that he goes to church.  When I spoke to Lord Sandman, he said it was all my fault for harassing him, and if I would just take down my web pages everything would be okay.

What kind of mother knowingly allows her teenage son to engage in such terrorism?  What kind of mother allows her son to spread such lies and filth about somebody?  What kind of mother allows her son to encourage email bombing and harassing phone calls to my girlfriend, who has never had anything to do with her scum son?  Why does my girlfriend now have to worry about the safety of her children due to Sandman's actions, while Sandman's mother does nothing but make one excuse after another about her son, who is responsible for so much malicious activity?  As is so typical of this entire episode, both Sandman and his mother refused to give me Sandman's real name.  "Freedom" doesn't work both ways for this type of people, it seems.  Lord Sandman even told me that I was wrong for visiting his webpages where he lied about me and put all kinds of filth.  He said that is "stalking."  So now, not only must I get a the permission of a punk like Sandman before I can put an essay on my web site, I must allow him to put anything he wants about me and my girlfriend, and I'm not even allowed to visit to see what he said.  And given that Sandman visits my site almost daily, his claim that I am "stalking" because I visit his is just the typical cop-out of a coward punk.

Now I can see why Lord Sandman is the jerk he is, and why he will always be a jerk.  What kind of mother stands by and watches her son terrorize others, and then refuses to do anything about him, leaving the victims no recourse but to file criminal charges?

Also, now that the complaint that netcis.com filed against me with my service provider has been dismissed as groundless, the www.stupidpeople.com site is going back up.  The "legitimate business site" that LuAnn Tarter had nothing to do with was gone only as long as they wanted to mislead my service provider.  Now that the officials at netcis.com see that they can't get anywhere with their groundless complaint, they see no reason to leave the site down, so back up it goes.  And the nest of malicious hackers at irc.hackersclub.com continues, with Patrick Turbide, the CEO of netcis.com continuing to lead them.  If you visit the site of netcis.com, you will see that the company provides internet services for businesses.  I wonder how many of netcis.com's business customers know that the CEO of netcis.com assists, encourages, and teaches malicious hackers to illegally access private data.  LuAnn Tarter's website now says she will put the "other" messages (the one's she conveniently left out of the site) up when she gets them from home.  She hasn't been home for a week?

By this time, I'm not sure I'm dealing with hackers or stalkers.  Sandman sure seems to fit the image of a stalker.  His friends at netcis.com also seem to be gearing up for a stalking campaign.  For more information on stalking, go to the Stalked web site. Consider this definition of one type of stalker, the "false victim" type, excerpted from  Stalked.

This seems to fit Sandman very well.  I might add that his friends and supporters fit, to some degree, the same definition.  The say I'm the one to blame.  And I've heard EXACTLY the phrase "You only know one side of the story"  from Sandman's friends and supporters.  Perhaps a better word for these "hackers" would be "stalkers."  But for me, "punks" or "thugs" fits perfectly.

As for netcis.com....  Their complaint against me to my service provider includes their lie that I have done some "syn flooding" of them (whatever that is).  They said they would supply the logs.  When my service provider asked them where the logs were they would supply, they responded that they don't have time to get them.  I'll say this.  The people at netcis.com are liars, and Patrick Turbide and LuAnn Tarter ought to be banned from the net for their disgusting actions and outright lies about me--and for assisting and encouraging minors to engage in illegal activities.

(October 28, 1997)  Despite having plenty of time to do it, the staff of NETCIS.COM has still failed to provide the logs showing my "syn flooding" of their system.  Instead, all they've done is complain that I have "derogatory" things about them on my web site.  (These are the people maintaining www.stupidpeople.com and claiming that lying about people is "freedom of speech"--it turns out that they can't stomach that somebody else chooses to exercise his freedom of speech and post the truth about what goes on at netcis.com.)  Their delay in supplying the logs makes me wonder if they are busily typing fake logs now.

(October 31, 1997)  Wonder of wonders....  LuAnn Tarter made an entry into my message board, expressing her lack of knowledge of any lies that were posted about me on the "Dan Sucks" website at www.stupidpeople.com, which she owns.  And NETCIS.COM has still failed to supply the logs they said they have regarding my "syn flooding" of them, despite repeated requests from my service provider and me to do so.  LuAnn Tarter and Patrick Turbide certainly are trying to uphold the highest tradition of punk "hackers".  I wonder how many more minors they have recruited lately to their classes on illegal net activity.  I also wonder how many other false complaints they have filed against people with various service providers when they didn't like the "freedom of speech" they claim to value so highly.
 
(November 2, 1997)  I just received email from rterry@netcis.com.  He's the employee of netcis.com who said they would supply the logs of my "syn flooding" of them.  Despite my and my service provider's repeated requests for the logs, netcis.com is still refusing to supply them.  They are taking no steps whatsoever to back up their purposely false accusation to my service provider.  Why is this not a surprise?  Instead, they are continuing to accuse me of sending them junk email.  Asking them to supply the evidence they claim to have against me is junk email?  I guess they would see it that way, given that they don't have the evidence they claimed to have--if you can't back up your disgusting lie, the next best thing is to avoid it when challenged and smear the victim of your malicious attack.  And that is exactly what they are doing.

All rterry@netcis.com has done has call me a "freak," accuse me of being related to my service provider (because my provider has not punished me based on their fake complaint), and threaten to block all access from vvm.com to netcis.com because of my so-called harassment.  There was no offer to supply the logs.

So LuAnn Tarter, of netcis.com, logs on to my web site posts in my message board, but I can't even send them email asking them to back up a complaint they have made against me?  Once again, the hypocrisy and cowardice of netcis.com shows itself.  What is the internet today?  Free speech for punks like Sandman and his friends at netcis.com, but a "screw you" place for everybody else in the world?  I don't think so.

I have to wonder how many others the people at netcis.com have tried to screw and how many times they have gotten away with it.  I am sure it galls them mightily that somebody would finally call them on their blatant lies and they are unable run roughshod unopposed with their net terrorism.

What this boils down to is that netcis.com takes NO action against Sandman, because of freedom of speech, despite the ample documentation and knowledge they have of his actions--yet they expect my service provider to punish me with NO evidence at all.  I'll say it again.  The people at netcis.com are hypocrites and cowards.  They are also crybabies and spoiled brats.  My guess is they have mothers like Sandman's mother.

(November 3, 1997)  Another day gone, and the liars at NETCIS.COM have still not supplied the logs that would back up their false claim about me to my service provider.  Since they visit my website every day, I'm challenging them HERE:

To the liars at NETCIS.COM:  Supply the logs that you said you would supply.  Do it, you lying cowards.  You lied about me to my service provider, and you expect me not to challenge you?  I'm telling you to supply the logs.  Perhaps you have the logs, LuAnn Tarter.  (Oh, wait.... I forgot.  LuAnn doesn't know anything about anything...)

Hey, Rick Terry, why don't you get that ring out of your nose that Patrick Turbide put there and supply the logs?   He had you say that I was "syn flooding" your system.  And you jumped through his hoop and lied for him.  Now supply the logs that you said you were going to supply.  Stop being such a wimp.  (Wait... you might lose your job if you tell the truth....)

I guess that leaves Patrick Turbide, the CEO of netcis.com.  Patrick, you big, tough, hacker--defender of free speech everywhere on the net--caring tutor of people like Sandman.... supply the damned logs!  Either that or publicly admit you lied about me to my service provider.  What's the matter, Turbide?  Am I really supposed to believe that a great "hacker" like you is really so technically incompetent that you can't send the logs in an attachment to an email?  Or are you just afraid the teen sluts who hang out in irc.hackersclub.com won't privately chat with you any more if you admit that you are a lying coward?

Oh, and Turbide, why have you blocked me from seeing www.stupidpeople.com?  What are you afraid of?  You and your staff of "hackers" that you employ at netcis.com visit my pages several times a day.  You even post lies in my guestbook.  Why can't I see a site that you and those other hacker punck friends of yours have devoted to me?  Your action redefines "cowardice" in a way I never thought possible. You "hackers" never stop amazing me.  Just when I have thought I've seen the height of stupidy, hypocrisy, and cowardice, you show me that I haven't seen anything yet. Do your teenage hacker groupies know what a wimp you are?  Just lie to the chicks.  Tell them what a tough hacker you are.  That ought to do the job.  You are good at lying, and you've shown you have no problem with it morally, either.  Yeah, that's the trick.  Just tell them you are a great hacker, and a decent human being to boot.  Maybe your corporate customers will even believe it, too.  (By the way, do you let your teenage hacker students practice on your customers' private business data?  That's pretty convenient, having access to all that sensitive information on all those high-profile customers, isn't it?  So many customers, and so much data for your students to practice on....)

Oh, and Patrick.....  supply the damn logs you said you were going to supply.   Come on, Patrick.  You made an accusation about me with my service provider, and I'm asking you to back it up.  Show us what a big brave man you are, Patrick.  You don't want people to think you are just another hacker punk who runs around the net screwing with people and lying about them, do you?  You don't want your business customers thinking that about you, do you?  Supply the logs.  Don't be such a wimp.  Show everybody, including your business customers who might have trusted you, what a great "hacker" you are.

Be aware of something, you "hackers" at netcis.com....  People are getting fed up with you and others like you.  You think "freedom" on the net means you can roam around at large and screw with people for no other reason than that it gives you a thrill.  You think decent people's freedom extends only in bending over and dropping their pants so you can have your way with them.  No more.  You don't run the net--you are ruining it.  And decent people are getting mad as hell at you.  Your time is coming, punks.  People are starting to stand up to net terrorists like you.

(November 8, 1997)  Still no logs from the thugs at netcis.com.  Patrick Turbide, you have filed a false complaint against me with my service provider.  You are on my shit list, as Sandman is.  And it's because you are shit, like Sandman is.

Many of Sandman's friends tell me I should turn the other cheek.  Look what happens when people turn the other cheek, though.  Sandman and his friends at netcis.com terrorize people who they think can't or won't fight back.  And Patrick Turbde, the CEO of netcis.com, is the chief thug, teaching them to illegally break into private data and harrass innocent people on the net.  Turbide is as big a coward as the teen punks he's taken under his wing.  Sandman and his friends also fault me for reporting--truthfully--Sandman's actions against me.  What have they said about Patrick Turbide's false complaint to my service provider, alleging things I have not done?  Nothing.  Nothing at all.

A funny thing happened today.  I have a hotmail email account.  Today it was flooded with 205 identical messages, that took up one and a half megs of my allocated storage.

What's funny about this is that only three people know of this hotmail address of mine:  pturbide@netcis.com, ltarter@netcis.com, and rterry@netcis.com.  Weird, huh?

Because the message was nothing but a very long string of gibberish designed to take up space, I'll show just the header here.  I'm not showing my hotmail address, though, because I want to keep it so that ONLY those three fine law-abiding, people there at netcis.com's staff know it.

Here is the message header:
 

From phucker@asswipe.com Sat Nov  8 13:17:33 1997  Received: from hack.com ([206.105.114.169]) by scoweb.netcis.com (8.8.5/SCA-6.6)  with SMTP id UAA12882  for **omitted**; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:11:48 GMT  Return-Path: <phucker@asswipe.com>  Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:11:48 GMT  From: phucker@asswipe.com  Message-Id: <199711082011.UAA12882@scoweb.netcis.com>  Subject: LOSER!

Isn't it weird that I would get an email flood to an address that only those three people at netcis.com know about?  Now I wonder how that can be explained!  Can anybody figure it out and tell me?  And can anybody tell me why the header of the message shows it coming from netcis.com?  Remember, I'm not smart.  I'm a LOSER.  I'm not a super-cool hacker like whoever sent this email flood.

And if you think that's weird, consider this.  The IP address in that header (206.105.114.169) is exactly the same as the IP address of LuAnn Tarter when she made her last visit to my web site.  Is this strange or what!  Hey, LuAnn, did you know somebody is using your IP address?  You better check into that!  I'm sure you can track this person down, seeing what  great hackers you and your friends are!

I have set up a message discussion area for discussing this topic, to keep my guestbook from becoming flooded with this stuff. Click here to read the messages or to participate in the discussion yourself.

This feedback page is not meant to give the impression that all the feedback to me has been negative. I have received many positive responses from others who are fed up with the childish morons who want to make life miserable for everybody else. Compared to the number of threats and illiterate ramblings from hackers, the positive comments have been overwhelming.

If I've misspelled many words myself on this page, I apologize.  I tried using a spell checker, but for understandable reasons, with the feedback I'm getting from these hacker d00dz, spell checking a page like this is pointless.

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