 |
Anti-Neocons
We don't like the Neocons www.anti-neocons.com
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
Ry
Anti-Neocon Dragon
Joined: 27 Jun 2005
Posts: 2438
Location: Japan
|
 Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject: 911, Iraq, PNAC All roads lead to Israel |
 |
|
Ryan Dawson
Some 911 was an inside job camps like to lay out 4 scenarios. Briefly they go as follows.
1 Is the official story.
We got caught with our pants down and terrorists did 911. And the wars in the Middle East are part of the greater war on terrorism.
2 The incompetence excuse
There was information available about the coming attacks but because of our incompetence we failed to see it. Terrorists attacked the US. And the wars in the Middle East were based on mistakes (more incompetence) but now we got to stay.
3 They let it happen
They knew full well about the coming 911 attacks but allowed it to happen in order to use it as a pretext to go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan as it was in military and corporate interests (particularly oil) to do so.
4 They made it happen. (They meaning just vaguely the Bush Admin)
The Bush government either helped protect the terrorists or simply used them as patsies, and assisted the plane crashes effects with bombs placed inside the towers prior to 911. The wars in the Middle East were about oil.
The 911 was an inside job camps then say the evidence must land you somewhere between 3 and 4 with more research dropping you firmly on 4.
Let me now throw in a 5th scenario
5 The Neocons Made it happen with the assistance of a foreign government, the same government where PNAC was first written, and who we have caught spies from who have been stealing secrets from us about Iran, and who made up the shadow government of the OSP which is who cherry picked and fabricated the lies told about Iraq in order to start the war. The Wars in the middle east were for separate reasons, Afghanistan was about a few pipelines as noted but more so about controlling large quanities of un-tapped uranium (a reason for both the Russian and US invasions) and secondly for controlling opium as the CIA funds it's off the books black operation such as the now known massive secret prison systems, (torture camps) and coupled with other color coded revolutions to circle China and Russia with US bases, (add to that the lesser known negotiations with Japan to allow nuclear subs into the Japanese Sea [pointed at China] in exchange for moving troops from Okinawa to Guam). The main goal however which PNAC states is to keep the eye on the pie, Iran (which Afghanistan and Iraq both boarder.) The invasion of Iraq was to solve Israel's oil crisis and stop the threat of a secular Middle East which would become a true economic player and was a threat to the aggressive state of Israel.
The evidence if it was ALL being stated especially pertaining to the war in Iraq would land you somewhere between scenario 4 and 5 and more research would land you firmly in 5.
A lot of films have shown the problems with official 911 story. There is the demolition of building number 7, which the 911 commission didn't even address, there are the firemen's reports that the fires were almost out, there are numerous reports of secondary explosions etc. Because it has been said on radio and maybe more so because people have made films about it, many people can recite the arguments for the inside job in their sleep. But what has been hidden from you and the dots which have not been connected in any 911 films is the Israeli connection. 911 was an inside job which was part of a larger plan for perpetual war hatched in Israel. 911 and the wars in the Middle East were carefully planned attacks carried out by a faction of Zionists neocons and the Israeli Mossad. We will start with PNAC and then jump and work backwards from the Iraq War to 911.
A lot of people know about PNAC, but very few people have taken a hard look at its origins. PNAC was co-authored by the same people who been caught lying about the Iraq War's pre-invasion intelligence. We are talking about only 25 people who helped fabricate evidence and pass it off to the president and journalists. PNAC stems from Israeli policy papers. The war in Iraq and control over energy resources ect is all lined out in Israel's A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm" and in both 1992 and 1998 this document was regurgitated as PNAC written by the same people. Paul Wolfowitz presented the PNAC's open letter to Bill Clinton on January 26, 1998 where the opening lines clearly state the desire to go to war with Iraq. "Wolfowitz urged Clinton to recognize a provisional [Iraqi] government headed by the INC under Chalabi." Wow sound familiar?
Later in 2000 PNAC released what is normally referred to the document more of you are familiar with which is commonly but mistakenly just called "PNAC" and that was PNAC's paper, "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategies, Forces and Resources for a New Century" This is the paper stating the infamous lines about the need for a New Pearl Harbor... P63 The bulk of the document however is about going to war with Iraq.
Now Wolfowitz did not do this on his own, Lewis Libby, Douglas Fieth and Richard Perle and others who have recently resigned and are or have been caught up in criminal activity in the past. Interestingly Perle and Wolfowitz both worked as aides to senator Henry "Swoop" Jackson. In 1970 while working for Jackson (A Democrat!) Perle was charged with two heinous acts, spying for the state of Israel and leaking information about the CIA in regards to its nuclear deterrent program, to Russia. Now keep that in mind because it is very important.
In the run up to the war in Iraq, there was a lot of disinformation. Once again most people know what the lies were concerning the WMDs, the Al Qaeda accusations, the mushroom cloud scare tactics, liberating the Kurds, and lastly the joke of democracy building, which have all been shown to be falsehoods or failures.
The Weapons of Mass Destruction claim is important because it was the legal reason for the invasion. If they were complying with UN resolution 1441 then the US did not have grounds to invade. please go here and listen to my Feb 10th radio interview which outlines more background on that as well as the sanctions which helped starve half a million people. It gets worse, but that is an extra tangent for now.
What people do not seem to know is who made these fabrications. They assume it was just "Bush" and the vague term "the administration". Well yes it was people in the administration, but whom? Well let's break it down.
The second most important scandal in the administration which is currently on trial with a second date set for Jan 07, is the Plame outing and Niger forgeries.
Bush and his merry band of Zionists like to blame shift the responsibility of the WMDs myths to the CIA. Well as evil and corrupt as the CIA is, it is not that sloppy. Bush did not just get "mistaken intelligence" or make "miscalculations" he explicitly asked for fabrications.
Here is the concrete proof that they lied. One of Bush's claims about Iraq was that Saddam was trying to acquire yellow cake uranium from Africa. This rhetoric was further laced in fear by Neo-condelsleeza Rice saying we could not let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud. What outrageous audacity, (they are even re-using the same fear-mongering excuses to attack Iran).
Well the document that Bush based this claim on was a fake. How do we know? Because the signature on it was forged. How do we know? Because the forgers put down the wrong person's name. The Foreign minister from Niger, the country they were claiming Saddam was gathering uranium from, who supposedly signed it had been out of power since 1989. Allele Elhadj Habibou was not in power at the time of the supposed signature.
look here I have the primary documents and a summary.
| Quote: |
In a letter from the President of Niger a reference is made to the constitution of May 12, 1965 -- but the constitution is dated August 9, 1999;
Another letter purports to be signed by Niger's foreign minister, but bears the signature of Allele Elhadj Habibou, the minister between 1988-89;
An obsolete letterhead is used, including the wrong symbol for the presidency, and references to state bodies such as the Supreme Military Council and the Council for National Reconciliation are incompatible with the letter's date;
It wasn't until just before the war began that Mohamed El Baradei, IAEA director-general, told the UN Security Council on March 7 that his team and 'outside experts', had worked out that ' these documents ... are in fact not authentic'. |
Now that must be embarrassing. Be nice if the mainstream media would report that. Now you ready to get pulled out of the rabbit hole some more? I will come back to just who forged these documents. (Ahmad Chalabi , Francis Brookes, Dewey Clarridge, and Michael Ledeen. ) First let’s see how they got into the presidents hands. Bush said, these known false claims, as if they were true in his State of the Union Address. It has now been called is infamous 16 words, which he could be impeached for if we had an actual opposition party.
The disinformation was stove piped straight to Cheney/Bush by a little known shadow government called the OSP the Office of Special Plans, headed under Cheney and Rumsfeld and a pack of Zionists underling, yes the same ones who co-authored PNAC and the Clean Break for Israel.
Andreas von Bulow the former German Defense Minister said on April 21, 2006 on the Alex Jones show that this false flag operation had to be carried out by a very small group of people Alex asked him 100? 40? he said less than that. Right after the second break (which on the QuickTime bar would be right in line with Andreas vo Bulow's right ear) Alex talks about the picture getting more clear as the truth about the wars come out. He then talks about the 25 Neocons who wrote PNAC were in high positions in the DOD and white house and Andreas von Bulow says "sure and part of them wrote the government program for Benjamin Netanyahu... “(Former Prime Minister of Israel). Alex goes on to say who could have done this? Bulow says it was not the CIA and Alex jumps in saying your talking about black ops. Than Alex says we know only a MAJOR STATE could have carried this out? Andreas says it must have been done from high up and it had to be done by a few people. Alex says would you say 100-200, AVB says less, Alex askes 50 people and AVB says less. Alex can not say it was the zionists on the air.
In an attempt to shut up people who tried to tell the public that the uranium claim was a lie, and as a means to prevent the CIA from catching who forged the documents, and as means to once again undermine the US's ability to track nuclear weapons thus creating wiggle room to lie about Iran, a clandestine CIA agent and her front company BJA was uncovered when journalist from the NY Times and CNN were purposely slipped information by Cheney's Chief of Staff, Lewis Libby. To unravel all of this please go
here
We now have Libby admitting that Bush and Cheney authorized him to leak the information, yet another offense they could both be impeached for were we to have a functional Republic. Libby was also a co-author of PNAC and worked with Wolfowitz under Cheney in Bush the first's presidency. Interesting isn't it?
Don't worry it gets worse. Notice that this is something that Richard Perle got in trouble for in the past. Perle has resigned from his position in the Department of Defense. He did so just after AIPAC's headquarters was physically raided by the FBI, how coincidental. What is AIPAC? Well AIPAC would be Israel's largest lobby. A man working for Perle in the DOD named Larry Franklin has gotten sentenced to 12 years in jail for passing off top secret documents to AIPAC who in turn gave them to the Israeli government through the Israeli embassy in DC. Go read about that scandal here
So Israel has been caught spying on the US again what is new other than the fact that a foreign government can get caught spying in the US in a time of war and the Media will not report it. Just imagine if it had been Korean spies instead of Jews, and how big this story would be. Also imagine that were attacking Korea's enemies and were following a war plan written off of Korean policy papers and a disproportionate number of the authors were all Korean Americans who were still in government. Ha ha not a chance but you see Israel can get away with it because Israel is a cash cow for the Military-Industrial-Complex
Corporations have obviously profiteered from the wars, that has been made quite clear. But did they write, implement, and use deception, to start this war or was that the Zionists? Who got caught spying on the US Halliburton or Israel? Israel that is who. The profiteering is a by product of the war as in any war. They are all in bed together because of overlapping interests between the military related corporations and the Zionists.
However, just how the Hell do they get away with it? Well they are free from any and all criticism because they play the two cards which an over-socialized liberal can not see through. They play the race card and the religion card, a double whammy. If you say the J word it is over, even if Israel has an illegal military occupation and sets up racially segregated colonies into Palestine, kills kids, knockes down homes of civilians and attacks them with a military and runs a brutal police state which is causing a backlash of terrorism on Israeli people (racist or not that is not a reason to kill someone). The Zionists are the real racist, engaging in ethnic cleansing in the name of defense and calling any opposition terrorists. They are creating terrorism by engaging in it themselves. Video link Israel can do ANYTHING and the press will not mention. But then again just who owns our press and our banks?...
The first oil pipeline opened in Iraq went to Tel Aviv Israel. Here is where they planned it ten days before the end of the war. And here is where they planned setting up another oil pipeline to Israel, this one going to Haifa. And they now pump oil from Mosul to Hiafa Golly gee, that is interesting why is all the oil going to Israel?
Oh it gets worse. The US send oil to Israel from Iraq then buys it from Israel.
Well Israel did have an oil problem.
| Quote: |
| According to the Energy Information Administration (EIA), a statistical agency of the US Department of Energy, Israel produces almost no oil and imports nearly all its oil needs (around 237,000 barrels a day in 2002). Traditionally, major oil import sources have included Egypt, the North Sea, West Africa and Mexico |
| Quote: |
Information provided by the EIA states that in April 2003, there was some discussion of "reopening" the old oil pipeline from Mosul in Northern Iraq to the Israeli port of Haifa on its northern Mediterranean coast.
The line, which was built in the 1930s, carried 100,000 barrels a day at its peak, but has been closed since Israel's establishment in 1948.
The reopening of this pipeline is, on the other hand, reported as being able to "solve Israel's energy crisis at a stroke".
|
Source
As I pointed out that pipeline has since been re-opened. But that is not all. They took oil from Kirkuk where 40% of Iraq's oil is and Hafar al Batin, Al Basrah (Basara) and Mosul too. Here is a map of where Iraq's oil is going.
It's a war for oil the left shouts. "No blood for oil" they say. Yeh that's true, 'no blood for oil' going to Israel, while our own gas prices rise.
If PNAC was written by Zionist who rewrote what they wrote in Israel and presented it in the US then what exactly did the UK get out of it? Come back to that later.
Now 911. Back in Feb 2001 the US and UK attacked Iraq with much public Backlash. Bush bombed Baghdad just two weeks after being sworn in to office. He tried to start PNAC's plan then but the public was not having it. They needed that New Pearl Harbor event that PNAC said would be necessary.
They rigged it with the Mossad's help on 911.
here is how we know
Note the 5 dancing Israelis who had bomb sniffing dogs reacting to their van and who worked for a Mossad front, a fake moving company in NJ which skipped town right after 911. Note that they all failed polygraph tests and were all x-military and oh geee explosive experts.
Note the following bogus Anthrax attacks which said "DEATH TO AMERICA DEATH TO ISRAEL" This was a huge story for a few day, long enough to pass the PATRIOT Act and then simultaneously it disappeared from all the News Networks over night. What a media coincidence huh? Putting it all together is easy. If 911 was an inside job and not the work of Al Qaeda (but patsies) then the anthrax didn't come from Al Qaeda either. I wonder who sent it? I wonder where it came from? They basically named themselves in the classic Owellian double speak. America and Israel.
These things are not mentioned in 911 video alt radio and of course not on TV. Zionism is THE most sacred subject in the US. One mention of it and you are automatically and Anti-Semite. Well it is time to grow some balls and start talking about the Elephant in the room. Neocons from Israel and America started these wars and carried out 911. That's the real 911 Truth.
PART II The Disinformation
I am so sick of having to explain away the utter nonsense that is attached to the truth about 911. Everything from Space aliens and reptilian fish people, to neo-Nazi groups have attached themselves to the 911 conspiracy. It is a classic tactic of deceivers to purposely leak disinformation which will mix truth with lies in order to discredit the truth. Don't fall for disinformation. And don't just follow every word someone says, people like Chomsky, Jones, Ruppert, Raimondo, Rivero and others are not always right, everyone makes goofs now and then. Help these people don't just parrot them.
The 911 movement is splintered and factionalized. Different camps passionately hold to their theories. (but a large piece is missing, a large body of evidence is being ignore) Let me give some credit where credit is due before I try to merge these theories based on the strongest information from different thinkers. I would like to merge the 911 theories and hopefully you guys will check this out yourselves and see how this accounts for the most inclusive picture. (constructive criticism welcome)
We have a lot of half truths floating around about the NWO. So I thought I would clear some things up. Most of you seem to know the facts that there is a video for, but the whole picture still has not been said. So for those of you who read, let me just drop a few facts on you and you can look it up yourself.
First off 911 was an inside job, bombs were in the towers, and most of you can recite the arguments for that in your sleep. Building number seven is the smoking gun on that one. The 911 commission did not even address it and the steel from the towers was quickly carted off by trucks and sold to China through Metal Managment Inc owned by the Zionist Jew Alan Ratner. Alex Jones has done a great job on covering that side of the 911 story. (The Building 7 side of the story but not the Israeli connection) This guy is a trail blazer, hell he predicted the 911 strike back in July 25th of 2001. He did not say when it would happen, but he said they would use Osama Bin Laden as a patsy and they would run air planes into the WTC. He was also the first to make a video documentary about 911.
Michael Rupert of From The Wilderness had the information about the put-options and economic anomalies posted as soon as September 12th one day after the event.
The question arises, “Who did it and when” was it just a faction of Neocons in our government? Or was their assistance from a foreign government? Whose interests did they have in mind? Sites like WRH and ICH have been the best in addressing this side of the story.
Let’s look at the History of PNAC and combine that knowledge with the recent trials of AIPAC the Niger Gate (the Libby trial) and the pulled Fox News Report of the Israeli spy ring and the infamous 5 dancing Israelis. One pioneer who has been all over this angle from the beginning and has had up to date information on the ensuing trial is this guy, Justin Raimondo of anti-war.com See the Israeli Art Students section.
Justin wrote a book Terror Enigma: 9/11 And the Israeli Connection that will tell you more than you want to know about it. It is a short book but well worth the buy.
I propose that 911 was an inside job carried out by Neocons moles in the US government who work for the interest a foreign government(Israel) or rather what that government serves which is the international bankers and the military industrial complex. And it is not in the interests of Israel or America. Israel is a cashcow for the MIC. 911 and the resulting wars were done in the interest of the Israeli Lobby which is backed by the age old method of profiteering by Christian fanatics and Straussian globalists. Israel is waist deep in 911 and Evagelism is waist deep in Israel. Ask yourself, if it was an inside job, then where did the anthrax letters come from after 911 if not from the same cabal that orchestrated it? And why did the letters read “DEATH TO AMERICA DEATH TO ISRAEL”? Was this an attempt to link America's enemies with Israel's? Israel was caugh in a false flag opperations before where they tried to blame Arab patsies. Check out the Lavon Affair.
When were the bombs put in the towers? Ask yourself that. Then who was caught working for a fake moving company (a front for the Mossad)in New Jersey after they were spotted dancing and taking pictures of themselves smiling with the backdrop of the burning towers? What same moving company was in the WTC towers when the power was cut off for days prior to 911? Oh yes the power to the WTC was cut off prior to 911 and the security cameras were down. (think Al Qaeda did that?)
| Quote: |
| According to Scott Forbes, a senior database administrator for Fiduciary Trust, Inc. – a high-net investment bank which was later acquired by Franklin Templeton – this is precisely what took place. Forbes, who was hired by Fiduciary in 1999 and is now stationed at a U.K. branch office, was working on the weekend of September 8-9, 2001, and said that his company was given three weeks advance notice that New York’s Port Authority would take out power in the South Tower from the 48th floor up. The reason: the Port Authority was performing a cabling upgrade to increase the WTC’s computer bandwidth |
.source
Did you know PNAC flowered from the Israeli Clean Break papers out of Tel Aviv? Why are the co-authors Zionists Jews who have histories of spying for Israel such as Richard Perle and Doug Feith? How come AIPAC can be caught spying on the US and there is NO mention of it in the media including Alex Jones ect (as far as I know). They have never even brought it up! It would ruin the theories that "Bush did it" from the films. And Bush did do it, but he was a puppet of his Zionist handlers because Bush is a Christian bigot.
DISIFO BY OMISSION (probably due to fear)
When Alex Jones was asked by Allen Colmes of Fox, Who did it and how did they get away with it in the media? Alex stumbled over himself saying well you have to look at who authored PNAC and then went on to list high profile figures who have spoken out pretty much avoiding the question. Maybe he was just excited to name the people he wanted to say in a rare short interview on the mainstream. Well, n a way Alex did answer the question, because it was planned by the authors of PNAC as was the Iraq war. But it is a deathnail to plainly state that PNAC came out of Israel and stems from Israeli policy papers and was pushed for by a crowd that is overwhelmingly disproportionately Jewish-Zionists some of whom have histories of spying for Israel or are currently caught up on charges (like Lewis Libby) for using the OSP to lie to push PNAC's stated goals. And of course the Mossad story, the spy ring, and Niger forgeries, are simply dropped from the picture. Jones knows who the real power is and to stay on the air he will not directly mention them.
This is huge. Can you imagine if any other government was caught spying on the US in a time of War? Imagine what would happen if Iran was caught doing the same thing.
Ever wonder how the bombs were put in the towers? Did you know the President's brother had a moving company in the towers and building 7 in the weeks prior to 911? Did you know that that moving company was Israeli (Urban Moving systems) and Israelis were caught on 911 taking pictures of themselves to the backdrop of the burning towers and laughing? They were arrested and the address for their moving company (yes the same one) turned up a front for the Mossad, it was an abandoned warehouse in New Jersey. (They were released by the FBI when Ashcroft put a lid on it, and they went back to Israel). Their van had traced of explosives in it, box cutters, thousands in cash, and hilighted maps of New York. When tested they failed polyagraph tests which are 98% accurate. WRH has been on the frontlines with this story.
It was clearly a Mossad opperation.
| Quote: |
1. The Israeli "movers" cheered the 9-11 attacks to celebrate the successful accomplishment of the greatest spy operation ever pulled off in history.
2. One of them, or an accomplice, then calls a 9-1-1 police dispatcher to report Palestinian bomb-makers in a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel.
3. Having thus pre-framed the Palestinians with this phone call, the Israeli bombers then head for the George Washington Bridge instead, where they will drop off their time-bomb van and escape with Urban Moving accomplices.
4. But the police react very wisely and proactively by closing off ALL bridges and tunnels instead of just the Holland Tunnel. This move inadvertently foils the Israelis' misdirection play and leads to their own capture and 40 day torture.
5. To cover up this story, the U.S. Justice Department rounds up over 1000 Arabs for minor immigration violations and places them in New York area jails. The Israelis therefore become less conspicuous as the government and media can now claim that the Israelis were just immigration violators caught in the same dragnet as many other Arabs.
6. After several months, FBI and Justice Department "higher-ups" are able to gradually push aside the local FBI agents and free the Israelis quietly.
|
source Go and read all of it.
Look 911 was not carried out by Devil Worshipers or the Queen of England. 911 was the work of the Israeli Mossad and its Neocon moles in the US government. The back bone of Zionism is organized religion, it is fanatical Jews and Christians. More money goes to fund the Israeli occupation from Evangelical Christian churches than from the government even. (One church (Presbyterians) actually divested more money from Israel than what our government gives them in two years worth of foreign aid.) If we could only get other churches to follow...
I know people will say that Pat Robertson is not a *real* Christian. News flash Yes he is. Is he a BAD Christian? Absolutely! But to say he does not hold the minimal believes in a savior, a god, the creation story, and all that other biblical mess is not true, because he and his millions of brain-dead followers DO believe in all that crap. In fact it is one of the main motivations help Zionism because they think they must create conditions to fulfill Biblical prophecies. (making Jerusalem Jewish being one of those.)
Now if you just want to say that they do not follow some of the teachings of Christ then you are absolutely right. But then again basically no one does. Face it, All of Bush's support comes from the 30 or so percent of the country that are Christian fanatics. Religion breeds authoritarianism. What would Israel do without the tens of billions it receives from Christian churches? It would fall apart. I am not saying that Christianity is to blame for what these evil idiots do. I am saying that a Religion is not intrinsically good or bad. Religion is more like a car, and the behavior of the car depends on the driver. It seems like Moderate Christians are psychologically unable to face up to the fact that their own religion is being used to stuff the war-mongers pockets and finance aggression all over the world [as it has since its invention]. So they invent groups like a secretly atheist illuminati and even alien invasion etc, anything, to create a blame shift.
It was the Zionists. Here is the other thing Alex NEVER talks about, Israel being involved. And they were the ones who fricking did it. look here.
STRAWMAN DISINFO
I think the likes of those like Jeff Rense (a radio host who admits 911 was an inside job and has quite a following) is possibly a Real Patriot (or possibly a disinfo agent) but certainly not a critical thinker when it comes to ghosts and space aliens. That stuff HURTS the credibility. It is goofier than Zodiac signs. The site is still OK and you can pick out the real information from the entertainment (aka making money) stuff.
I am not saying that secret societies do not exist or that non-secret organizations (like the CIA) don’t carry out secret actions for the government. They do happen, and they have been around for a long time. Ranging from the Black Hand, to the America’s Know Nothings nations have always had groups of secrecy and privilege. The Bilderbergs is a great example.
One can not say that conspiracies simply don’t exist or can not happen. Hell the `19 hijackers theory` (where the BBC reports that some of the same hijackers turned up alive) of 911 is a conspiracy theory, so one is forced to believe in one conspiracy theory or another. People will ask how could something so big be kept a secret? How could the press not uncover it? Conspiracies happen all the time,. I'll give you a recent example. Just look the Iran Contra affair was a secret government and CIA operation that included thousands of people, involved multiple countries, and used up billions of dollars. This conspiracy happened in your life time (unless you are under 15). This scandal involved some of the very same neocons that are in office today. Familiar readers of anti-neocons are aware of the Libby/Rich/Clinton connections. (listen to it on the radio)
Guilt by association
Don't attach 911 to falsehoods like we never landed on the moon. First of all if any of you are so stupid as to think we were never on the moon then just don't even bother reading the rest of this. The 911 evidence stands on its own, attaching it to silly things, just hurts the credibility and supports the tinfoil hat conclusions.
MORE DISINFO
Thanks in large part to a music video called Pentagon Strike, We now have a `no plane hit the pentagon` crowd. Plently of people saw a plane fly towards the building and no one saw one leave. Look if a plane did hit the pentagon and they show that then it will debunk the entire 911 story. Did you ever think the FBI might have taken the tapes away in order to create such a story? Here are some arguments against the no plane theory. I have to agree. But this is a mute point. Let’s stick with the more damning evidence and that is the WTC 1,2, and 7 attacks/detonations.
911 is undeniably tied to the war in Iraq. It is obvious to any thinking person how the 911 tragedy was used to justify by deception the war in Iraq. We know that the WMDs claims were lies not just mistaken intelligence. Now the question arises, who lied? Who set up and makes up the OSP? All roads lead to Israel.
MORE DISINFO
But this brings me to the disinformation wave. A couple of stinkers have come up. One is the Bohemian Grove tie in, which has been attributed to worshipers of Moloch and the Christian Devil. Did you ever think about the Grove connections worshipping Moloch could be related to the Bavli Talmud: the Jewish text from Babylon? It's not the devil they follow it’s the Bavli Talmud; these people are Hardcore Zionists. (Guess who else was a Mizrahi Jew?...Mayer Amschel Rothschild) That is why they enjoy billions of dollars from Christian fanatics like Pat Robertson. This argument takes some time so go here if you need that to be cleared up. Is there a Satanic (or atheist) illuminati? NOPE It is the very opposite, the illuminati (as you guys think of it, the term is being used incorrectly) is the Zionist, not a German death cult. It is just a bunch of greedy, but god fearing, Christians and Jews at the Grove. Simply put, a religion is not what makes people good or bad; people are what make a religion good or bad.
Half Truth disinfo
MORE DISINFO BY OMISSION
We have the Chomsky ‘this war is all for oil crowd’. And also Rupert's Peak Oil crowd. Oil was A reason for the wars but not THE reason. Chomsky and the like are very good at pointing out the big oil interests of the Iraq war and the petro-dollar interests with Iran. We get two camps, the ‘it’s about oil' and the ‘it’s about Israel’s safety’ crowd. Look, the corporatists and the Zionists overlap. The thing is, THIS war party is so clearly made up of Zionists. But no one seems to catch the overlapping interests of the corporations (namely the largest one the MIC) and the Zionists.
As I pointed out on KUCI they don't give a damn about Jews or any of that, nor does the Lobby. They just care about money, but what safe guards them from criticism IS the religious angle. Corporations could not get away with it if they didn't have their all powerful anti-Semitism shield of protection around them and they would not have the hundreds of billions of dollars in extra backing from Christian religious factions without the religion/race card played by the Zionists. So it is multi-layered. The fact that Zionists wrote, planned for the war in Iraq as far back as 1992, and then actively played a part in spewing the pre-invasion disinformation makes it rather obvious to me who is in the front seat and who is cheering from the back seat between the Zionist and the energy companies.
If you want to know how the Libby/Niger-gate tie into the warmonger’s plans for Iran then listen to my radio interview. 911 and the resulting wars were planned in PNAC. I have gone through each Zionist player in the administration at one point or another on this board on on the radio, and tied their actions back to Israel.
Just ask yourself this question, what do Richard Perle, Lewis Libby, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, David Frum, David Wurmser, Irving Kristol, Bill Kristol, Steven Rosen, and Keith Weissman, all have in common?
It is a war for Israel primarily and a war for profit, as is any war, secondarily. I wrote in my book how they all connect, the MIC, the Evangelical churches, the lobby, and the Zionists neocons who make up the OSP and wrote PNAC. That is why I wrote Welcome to the USSA, to explain how no-bid contract work in communism and how we create state assisted monopolies through everything from agribusiness subsidies to earmarked foreign aid.
If we are to keep moving forward then we need to be aware of disinformation. It is my opinion, and I know I will get accused of in-fighting, but it is my opinion that we should drop the extreme end of the spectrum, the alien believers-who must admit that pragmatically, even if they sincerely believe in all that junk, they know that tactically it does not help us one bit. No one is ready to believe in reptilian fish people. So shut up you guys. Please do the rest of us a favor and just talk amongst yourselves.
People don’t let these shanky hands, Nostradamus-type, fold up the twenty dollar bill and look at the towers, retards pollute our real efforts of journalism and research into 911. Please stop saying it was the illuminati (a vague term) if you don’t really know anything about the illuminati other than a 5 minute history and you can’t immediately back up your claims with convincing arguments. (It is not a secret who did this, PNAC spells it out and shows it off.) I care about this country and the people we exploit, oppress, and kill. I want it to stop. Damn it! I really deeply need it to stop. The Occupation of Iraq and Palestine and Afghanistan have to end. We have killed hundred of thousands of innocent people. We are torturing people. The real people who demonstratively wrote, planned, signed, lied, and carried out this war are ZIONISTS NEOCONS. (Just for the record the Brits need to get out of Ireland). Don' blame it on a mysterious group of people when we already have the names and the physical evidence of who did this.
We seem to have about half a story floating around about 911. The Israeli connections have to made or refuted. I have not heard of any valid refutations. The anti-Semite card is all I have ever hear as an attempted rebuttal. The reply I usually get is, "wow god damn I didn’t know about that, how interesting." I know you guys are smart, look into it yourselves.
We have to band together to stop the NWO but you need to know who is really behind the wizard’s curtain. NO MORE WAR FOR ISRAEL!
link to this article with this http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?p=9004#9004
_________________
It is no more anti-semitic to speak out against the Israeli government than it is anti-american to speak out against the American government. The charge of anti-semitism is a desperate defense for the Zionist warmongers.
Get my book today!
Last edited by Ry on Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:07 am; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
Lever
Free thinker
Joined: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 136
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:29 pm Post subject: 911 and also the economy |
|
|
You have done a remarkable job of researching this thread. I agree that we need to band together and also to silence the fruitcake crowd. Nobody is ever going to take alien stories seriously anyway.
Now the question is: If we can show how Isreal and the Bush administration collaberated on 911, how can we get the story to the uninformed?
also, How can we stop them and reclaim our Government?
The first is not easily undertaken given the major media's zionist bent. Alternative media isn't yet large enough for this task either.
Second, Who is friend and who is foe as far as the upcoming elections go?
Are their candidates who are not tied to this conspiracy that can be supported?
These questions are viable and yet to me unanswerable so far.
I love this country, but hate the direction the Government has taken us.
I am open to serious suggestions.   |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ry
Anti-Neocon Dragon
Joined: 27 Jun 2005
Posts: 2438
Location: Japan
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
Now the question is: If we can show how Isreal and the Bush administration collaberated on 911, how can we get the story to the uninformed?
|
Well I am trying to get people to read this as you did. I also thought about putting it on mp3. We could all write to larger anti-war sites and as then to carry or link to this article.
| Quote: |
also, How can we stop them and reclaim our Government?
|
The death blow is coming May 25th when AIPAC goes on trial for spying which is an air tight case. See the summer scandals section of this board.
| Quote: |
Second, Who is friend and who is foe as far as the upcoming elections go?
Are their candidates who are not tied to this conspiracy that can be supported? |
the worst candidate are Clinton, Rice, and McCain.
as a basic rule if their name is said on Fox in a negative or positive way then they are bad. By bashing Hilary Fox is setting her up as supposed oppostion when in reality she is a total neocons just like Kerry and full warmonger.
I would like to see a Ron Paul or a Cynthia McKenny run. But we have always had a man on our side his name is Ralph Nader.
In reality the presidentcy is a lost cause they control the TV and we are not going to when that one. We need to take back control of congress. Next election we need to absolutely clean house.
It is time to focus on impeachment. The Niger forgeries, the Plame outing, or the domestic spying are all solid cases for impeachment of both Bush and Cheney. We have to pressure congress to do it. That is step one and shoul be our focus. Three states have done it Vermont, California, and Illinois. It is time to get the other states on board.
_________________
It is no more anti-semitic to speak out against the Israeli government than it is anti-american to speak out against the American government. The charge of anti-semitism is a desperate defense for the Zionist warmongers.
Get my book today! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lever
Free thinker
Joined: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 136
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:09 pm Post subject: 991 ans also the economy |
|
|
I agree on Hillary and McCain. I never trusted either of them.
Now that snow has been named the new white house press secretary, it is even worse for us. Now the White House/Republican Party/Fox News have formally merged in the public eye. We knew it all along but they just made it public.
As good as Nader sounds, I am not sure he can ever garner enough support to win an election. He must buck a seriously stacked deck.
| Quote: |
It is time to focus on impeachment. The Niger forgeries, the Plame outing, or the domestic spying are all solid cases for impeachment of both Bush and Cheney. We have to pressure congress to do it. That is step one and shoul be our focus. Three states have done it Vermont, California, and Illinois. It is time to get the other states on board
Until we take the House and hopefully a few senate seats, impeachment isn't an issue. So long as the Republicans have control we will never win an impeachment. We must remember that in the event of a tie vote it will be Dick Cheney to cast the deciding vote. Isn't that scary?
Also, if we vote to impeach Cheney and Bush. Who then will cast the deciding vote? Another Republican crony.
We must work hard for a change in power while still keeping the real facts before the American People. In so doing we can set the stage for reclaiming out house and impeaching Cheny and Bush, as well as criminal trials for them on many issues like:
1. Treason
2. misleading congress
3. Theft of the treasury
4. Murder
5. Torture (under international law)
6. Conspiracy
7. RICO (their actions amount to racketeering and thus fall within the RICO statute)
Add this to the AIPAC trial and we may have a recipe for victory for the American people and our Democracy. |
|
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lever
Free thinker
Joined: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 136
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 2:12 pm Post subject: 991 and also the economy |
|
|
| sorry I attributed that quote to far more than intended |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ry
Anti-Neocon Dragon
Joined: 27 Jun 2005
Posts: 2438
Location: Japan
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 4:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
no worries and welcome to the board.
In truth the administration would not really change, it would still be run by crooks. Impeachment is still a good idea because it shows that there are consequences and it restores some sense of power faith in the American people not own for ourselves but from foriegn countries as well.
Nader can not get elected is self fulfilling. If all the people who liked Nader better than Kerry or Bush had voted for him he would have won hands down. If there was a poll that asked would you vote for Nader if he had a shot at winning I believe you would get shocking results.
_________________
It is no more anti-semitic to speak out against the Israeli government than it is anti-american to speak out against the American government. The charge of anti-semitism is a desperate defense for the Zionist warmongers.
Get my book today! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Lever
Free thinker
Joined: 26 Apr 2006
Posts: 136
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 5:55 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
Nader can not get elected is self fulfilling. If all the people who liked Nader better than Kerry or Bush had voted for him he would have won hands down. If there was a poll that asked would you vote for Nader if he had a shot at winning I believe you would get shocking results.
|
My point was that enough people feel that third party candidates are just spoilers in presidential elections that his chances were less than a snowball in hell.
Until enough can be convinced of the viability of a true third party canadacy, the results we desire will not be there.
We need to clean house of most members of congress regardless of party. There is too much graft and corruption inherent in the Washington cabal. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
expendable youth
Screw Bush
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 326
Location: Altadena, CA
|
| Posted: Wed Apr 26, 2006 9:46 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| go RON PAUL! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Redelicious
fights the NWO
Joined: 30 Jun 2005
Posts: 62
|
| Posted: Thu Apr 27, 2006 9:25 am Post subject: |
|
|
All the oil is going to Israel all the Lies are coming from Israel. All the spies are from Israel. The wars were for Israel and 911 must have been Israel.
beautifully written Ry
_________________
Buy Ry's Book |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
will
Newbie
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
Posts: 2
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 2:36 am Post subject: |
|
|
The current problem with our government is that the politicans at the top are unaccountable. The most sensible thing posted on this site so far has been the promotion of 3rd parties. The Libertarian Party is the top choice for third parties! If we can get a third party in the game, we can take away some of the power stranglehold at the top. Please support the Libertarian Party, as it is currently the most viable option. Also, except in rare circumstances, never vote for the incumbant. Please vote, please write your current legislators, and please vote for third parties - especially the Libertarian Party.
There is a movement across the nation to impeach Bush, and if we pressure our legislators it may happen. If he were impeached, this would show we hold our politicans accountable.
We need grass roots movements to spread the word of the truth of what is going on. Many of us believe in different conspiricies. But one thing that is plain as the nose on your face is the lies and treachery of Bush. Even many die-hard Republicans see through his lies. One thing I've learned is that it is hard/nearly impossible to speak about what may have happend on 9/11 with people like this. But even they will admit to Bush's lies leading us into Iraq War II. This is what we need to emphasize to the general public to make changes. It is good to share hardcore conspiracy theories (if you like to call much of the truth conspiracy) amongst ourselves. But if we are going to change this country, we need to focus more on pointing out the blantant realities of our failed leaders to the average American citizen.
And please, vote Libertarian! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
brisa
Newbie
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
Posts: 1
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 3:33 am Post subject: |
|
|
I think you bring it all together very succinctly. I'm trying to understand GITMO under your scenario. Is this a lab for learning how to break Muslims? I mean, if those dancing Israelis were interrogated aggressively, many in our government outside of the Neo-cons know the real story.
The list of conspirators would have to include Cheney for planning the confusion fostering hijack simulations during at least five Airforce War Games. Most of our fighters were conveniently a thousand miles away from the East Coast. Those scrambled were sent the wrong way. Also, Minetta's testimony concerning Cheney monitoring the incoming Pentagon plane. When asked by an officer as the plane got closer and closer if the orders still stand, he tersely answered in the affirmative. It seems that officer thought circumstances required a change in orders.
Rudy Gulliani must have been in the know concerning coordinating the rapid removal and destruction of the physical evidence from the collapses. No doubt he has facilitated the gagging of NYC firefighters who reported witnessing multiple demolition like explosions.
The unexplained Pittsburg news reports of a United Flight 93 making an emergency landing in Cleveland due to a terrorist bomb threat is also intriguing. In the report, the passengers were evacuated to a separate building on the premesis. A good presentation of this anomaly can be seen in the video "Loose Change 2".
It seems that there must be even more to the story than you have put forward. I too strongly suspect that people in high places have misplaced loyalties and that elements of MOSSAD and DOD were most likely responsible for the 911 atrocity. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ry
Anti-Neocon Dragon
Joined: 27 Jun 2005
Posts: 2438
Location: Japan
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:47 am Post subject: |
|
|
Often they don't tell their Mossad Mafia types why they are doing what they are doing. Ashcroft had a lid put on the investigation on the Israelis, their was no investigation only questioning. The information connecting Israel to 911 is Classified.
| Quote: |
| The most sensible thing posted on this site so far has been the promotion of 3rd parties. |
nice judgment from a member who has been here all of almost one day.
We need to take power away from AIPAC and then the current parties could fix themselves.
_________________
It is no more anti-semitic to speak out against the Israeli government than it is anti-american to speak out against the American government. The charge of anti-semitism is a desperate defense for the Zionist warmongers.
Get my book today!
Last edited by Ry on Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:05 pm; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
KerrySucks
Free thinker
Joined: 02 Jul 2005
Posts: 162
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 9:56 am Post subject: |
|
|
It was Israel. As you said the corporate profiteers have overlapping interests with the Zionist. cashcow called Israel Why hasn't Bush been impeached for the Niger forgeries? It is a clear cut case that they lied about Iraq and everyone invloved could be put behind bars. ps I saw this link from Whatreallyhappened.com good that you guys are working together.
_________________
It's a sad, but true fact. You will never, ever, EVER be as cool as Bruce Lee. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ry
Anti-Neocon Dragon
Joined: 27 Jun 2005
Posts: 2438
Location: Japan
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:15 am Post subject: |
|
|
This guy made a podcast basically reading the article I wrote. I think he did a great job. The first 5 minutes are music then he gets into it. heretic reading Ry
I will go on his show next week and give my thoughts on Iran and the latest bilderberg meeting.
_________________
It is no more anti-semitic to speak out against the Israeli government than it is anti-american to speak out against the American government. The charge of anti-semitism is a desperate defense for the Zionist warmongers.
Get my book today! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
AntiNeocons
Super Anti-Neocon & Site Admin
Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 49
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:34 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Throw a banner on your page.
_________________
Vulgas vult decepi.
the common people wish to be decieved. -- Phaedrus |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Ratman
Newbie
Joined: 28 Apr 2006
Posts: 3
|
| Posted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 1:22 pm Post subject: Paper Ballots |
|
|
Hey, finally signed up over here.
Nice job Ry.
About voting, we need paper ballots, these machines.....doesn't matter who makes them, are not to be trusted. And if our vote doesn't count, you can do all you want, but it won't mean a damn thing.
There are various groups you can go to to sign petitions for getting paper ballots, one of which is http://www.velvetrevolution.us/mailing.php?Mailing=05FC507D500021102290C
_________________
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
http://RatManFromMySpace.com |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
