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Hank Hanegraaff
"THE BIBLE ANSWER MAN" - AMILLENNIAL PARTIAL PRETERIST

"Then you know His answer to their questions about when it would take place, when they asked for signs of His return and the end of the age? Caleb asked.  "I do,' Zabad answered.  "And I am profoundly grateful for it.  The end of the age is upon us as Daniel predicted and as Jesus confirmed." (TLD, p. 87)

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"The Last Disciple.. has sold 50,000 copies in six weeks (vs. 85,000 for Left Behind in its first year). But LaHaye says he isn't worried. He plans to deliver the four books he owes Tyndale and let readers decide how this story ends." (TIME)

• The End: Best-selling books don't see it alike - "It's about much more than selling books, scholars say. The high-stakes publishing battle between the two men comes on the heels of the millennial fervor surrounding the year 2000, and feeds a stream of fear rippling just below the surface of public consciousness. "  "To Hanegraaff, Revelation was written before the destruction of the Jerusalem temple to encourage persecuted Christians. He says the "end-time model presented in Left Behind is hermeneutically false in that it attributes powers to the beast that belong only to God, but it is historically false because it places the beast in the 21st century."

"I am reading the Bible, specifically Revelation -- it was written for first-century Christians. I am not relying on some wooden, literal interpretation that is unsupportable." (Apocalyptic Feud)

(On the Subject of Revelation)
"I am reading the Bible, specifically Revelation -- it was written for first-century Christians. I am not relying on some wooden, literal interpretation that is unsupportable." (Apocalyptic Feud)

(On the Early Date of Revelation)
"More and more, people who have embraced the Futurist paradigm, when they recognize.. that the book of Revelation was not written in the mid-nineties, but rather was written in the mid-sixties, ..they have a different view of what the book of Revelation is actually dealing with in terms of substance." (Voice of Reason, 11/21)

(On the Coming of Jesus)
"Jesus was the One who in the Olivet Discourse made the mother of all prophecies.  He said 'not one stone here will be left upon another, every one will be thrown down.'   And He based His deity on that just like He did on the resurrection.  If that prophecy had not been fulfilled, Jesus would indeed have been a false prophet.  In fact, when He was before Caiaphas the High Priest, He said to Caiaphas, 'you will see the Son of Man coming on clouds and seated at the right hand of the Mighty One.'  In other words, He said to him, 'you will see my vindication and exaltation.  And, indeed, the very court that condemned Him to death saw His vindication and exaltation when Jerusalem was destroyed..  The utter destruction of Jerusalem takes places and vindicates what Jesus Christ has said."  (Voice of Reason 11/21)

"Caller: In Second Thessalonians it says that the Beast will be destroyed at the brightness of his coming.  If that was already somebody back then, how could he be destroyed with the brightness of his coming if Jesus hasn't come again? Hank: Well, that's a good question.  Now, when you see the word 'coming', does that mean 'The Second Coming' in the way that people refer to the Second Coming today?  I don't know.  'Coming' does not always refer to that; remember, that Jesus said to Caiaphas in the court that was condemning Him to death, that they would see the Son of Man coming on clouds.  And seated on the right hand of the Mighty One.  So He's telling the very court that's condemning Him, that they're going to see Him, and He is going to be vindicated as who He said He was.. which is God the flesh.  Forty years later they did see that coming. " (BAM, 11/23/4, 6:45)

(On Nero, The Beast | 666)
"John is saying to his readers that with wisdom and understanding they could discern the number of the Beast and the number of his name.  If, in fact, the Beast was not around at that time, he would be have been giving them false information.. The beast is singularly Nero." (Voice of Reason 11/21)

"No one can be worse than Nero.  It's not only because he violated every one of the Ten Commandments.   He personified evil about as well as anyone can personify evil, and it absolutely  befuddles me when I hear people like Tim LaHaye refer to him as if he were some sort of eccentric character that lived in the past.    Nothing could be farther from the truth..   the reason that its the mother of all tribulations is because the persecution took place against the very foundation of the Christian Church.  Paul, and Peter, for example, die at the hands of Nero."  (BAM 11/22/4)

 

FROM "THE LAST DISCIPLE"

"Tyndale House, the publisher of the Left Behind books, the megaselling Christian series about the end times, now presents a new series with a very different interpretation of biblical prophecy. Christian radio-show host Hanegraaff and bestselling CBA novelist Brouwer take readers back to the time of Nero in the first century. As the Roman Empire ruthlessly persecutes Christians, the novel's warrior-hero, Vitas, tries to defend them. But even Vitas can't prevent the destruction of the Jewish Temple—the historical event that sits at the center of this novel. Hanegraaff and Brouwer posit that the Book of Revelation, in code, predicted Roman persecution and the Temple's fall; subsequent novels in the series presumably will walk readers through the rest of Revelation, tying historical events to biblical prophecy. This is, to be sure, middle-brow genre fiction, and not an especially shining specimen thereof. The prose is plodding, with far too many dramatic sentence fragments and a conventional plot. The dialogue tends toward the unsubtly didactic (" 'Jesus, then, uses this rich symbolism?' Darda nodded.... 'You said John was obviously educated. Can you make any other guesses about him?' 'John verges on genius.' ") Despite the series' many flaws, readers who are hungry for apocalyptic fiction may embrace it, though it remains to be seen whether they'll find a first-century apocalypse as gripping as Left Behind's 21st-century one. " (The Last Disciple)

"TEN MONTHS AFTER THE BEGINNING OF THE TRIBULATION {AD 65}" (ibid. p. 1)

"I know of your prophet named Daniel.  Hundreds of years ago, he foretold that Rome would be the fourth beast, greater than the kingdoms of Babylon, Persia and Greece. And here is your fourth beast, ready to destroy you." (ibid., p. 7)

"At sundown, by the orders of Nero, the guards would ignite their tunics so these men and women -- the Christians -- would become human torches to light the street for the half-drunk Roman revelers returning home at the end of the games.  This was the Great Tribulation.  Hell did exist on earth." (p. 21)

"Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and Prophets and the promises of God." (p. 40)

"Those who are destined for death will be killed.  But do not be dismayed, for here is your opportunity to have endurance and faith.'  These are the words of John, the last disciple of our Savior.  We are living through the Great Tribulation, and he has given us comfort" (p. 57)

"The discourse of Jesus on the Mount of Olives.  It took place just after Jesus left the temple grounds.  He turned to His disciples and promised them that not one stone would be left on top of another.  They were so astonished that they asked Him about it shortly after, as they rested on the Mount of Olives and beheld the glory of the temple."  

"Then you know His answer to their questions about when it would take place, when they asked for signs of His return and the end of the age? Caleb asked.  "I do,' Zabad answered.  "And I am profoundly grateful for it.  The end of the age is upon us as Daniel predicted and as Jesus confirmed." (p. 87)

"The end of the age is a common phrase used in our Scriptures in different ways.. Even the Romans understand that the end of an age does not necessarily mean the end of time.  And I am telling you that an evil era is about to end with the destruction of the temple and the ruling establishment in Jerusalem that rejected Jesus as the Son of God." (p. 88)

"With the death and resurrection of Jesus, a new age is upon us.  One that does not require sacrifices at the Temple Mount.  The covenant between God and Israel was broken with the rejection of His Son." (p. 88)

"I want it remembered that we have all agreed that the truth of the prophecies of Jesus on the Mount of Olives is meaningless unless all the events He predicted occur, not just some." (p. 93, emphasis in original)

 

OTHER INFORMATION

"Prior to the 19th century, Futurists included, believed that the rapture and the second coming were simultaneous events" (BAM, 12/14/4)

"Coming on clouds does not mean that Jesus Christ is going to come back in AD70.  Jesus is using language from the Old Testament prophets."

"Jesus Christ in the Olivet Discourse speaks in an apocalyptic sense about what is going to happen to the city of Jerusalem and the temple." (BAM, 12/14/4)

"The Book of Revelation is written to a first century audience" (BAM, 12/14/4)

"I am committed to methodology over model.  I am less committed to trying to ascribe myself to any particular model, or try to shoehorn the Scriptures into any particular extant model."  (Voice of Reason 11/21)

"If you follow the Futurist mentality, you open yourself up to the cults and world religions who want to say 'Jesus was a false teacher' and His false teaching was demonstrated.. in the Olivet Discourse."   (Voice of Reason 11/21)

"I assure you, this generation will not pass away from the scene before all these things take place." (TLD p. 92)  "When Jesus says 'this generation' He doesn't mean 'that generation'.  He also doesn't mean 'that race'.. What He is talking about is the mother of all tribulations that the disciples were about to face."   (Voice of Reason 11/21)

"I have a lot of sympathy for the partial preterist point of view. I simply don't call myself a partial preterist because I don't agree with everything the partial preterists say."     "I have purposely not given my point of view for 15 years on the radio." (11/18/4 Show)

"With eschatology you have to recognize this.  There will be a final consummation of all things.  Jesus Christ will return bodily.  We will be resurrected immortal, imperishable incorruptible.  We will be changed."  (Voice of Reason 11/21)

WHAT OTHERS HAVE SAID

Thomas Ice (2004)
"Hank Hanegraaff of Bible Answer Man fame has recently delved into the field of eschatology (the study of last things) with the release of a novel called The Last Disciple,[1] co-authored with Sigmund Broward. It appears that Hanegraaff has adopted the preterist position in this first novel in a series that sees the book of Revelation as having been fulfilled in the first century. "Hank is a partial preterist who holds to a view on eschatology that is similar to the position held by Gary DeMar," according to DeMar's website." (One Thousand Years, Literal or Figurative?)

Sigmund Brower
"The abomination did occur."  (BAM, 12/14/4)

PRESS ON HANEGRAAFF / DISCIPLE

• The End: Best-selling books don't see it alike - "It's about much more than selling books, scholars say. The high-stakes publishing battle between the two men comes on the heels of the millennial fervor surrounding the year 2000, and feeds a stream of fear rippling just below the surface of public consciousness. "  "To Hanegraaff, Revelation was written before the destruction of the Jerusalem temple to encourage persecuted Christians. He says the "end-time model presented in Left Behind is hermeneutically false in that it attributes powers to the beast that belong only to God, but it is historically false because it places the beast in the 21st century."
• Hank Hanegraaff Gave Tim LaHaye the People's Elbow! "This story is too good to pass up. LaHaye, alleged author of the Left Behind Series, and Hank Hanegraaff, the man who refers to himself as the Bible Answer Man and lives in a palace near San Diego where he suffers for Jesus, are having a feud about the End Times. Sort of."
• Eschatology Erupts: LaHaye vs. Hanegraaff, Preterism vs. Premillennialism - "Of course the other thing that occurs to me is that LaHaye feels that because his book series was and is the money making machine, that Tyndale then needs to run any new authors and their ideas past him first. Sort of arrogant, but hey, he's human too."
• The Bible Answer Man is Right! Crimson Catholic: "Correct me if I'm wrong but a partial preterist interpretation, which Hank is advocating, does not teach that Jesus returned in 68 A.D, that's full preterism, right? Partial preterist's just don't believe in a rapture, I think."
• An Apocalyptic Showdown - Lexington Herald-Ledger "What if the Rapture has already happened? What if the Book of Revelation's prophecies have been fulfilled?"

Date: 18 Nov 2005
Time: 02:46:24

Comments:

If you enjoyed THE LAST DISCIPLE then you would enjoy reading Dr Andrew Corbett's commentary on Revelation available at- http://www.andrewcorbett.net/e-books/m-e-b-revelation.pdf , or his analysis of Matthew 24 (available at- http://www.andrewcorbett.net/shop.htm#mev ).
Hank and Sigmund have done an excellent job with this book. It is thoroughly well researched historically, and well written- a real page turner!!

Date: 26 Nov 2005
Time: 08:06:20

Comments:

Hank - we are having a discussion in our Sunday Bible Study - when did Christ first become aware - at what age - that He was God/Christ?
Thanks - P.J.Brown

Date: 08 Dec 2005
Time: 12:47:33

Comments:

I am proud of the fact that I consider myself a dispensationalist, I find that many of the comments of Mr. Hanegraaff, are closed minded he never gives any one that opposes him a fair hearing, I think if he wanted to be fair minded about this scenario that he would have someone such as Mr. LaHaye on his program or failing that someone of equal stature so that they could have an open debate instead of using his program as an electronic anti-dispensationalist soapbox.

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Date: 10 Jan 2006
Time: 16:16:52

Comments:

I thought Scripture interpreted Sscripture? God knows how to plainly tell His followers what it is He wants them to know . God did just that . The 1st century disciples are the original audience to the Olivet Discourse and that teaching must have had a major significanse to them in their lifetimes . Hank knows better than that . So much more can be said . PAST IN FULFILLMENT RULES.ALL END TIMES / LAST DAYS PROPHECIES WERE FULFILLED BY AD 70 , JUST AS JESUS PROMISED IN LUKE 21:22 "FOR THIS IS THE TIME OF PUNISHMENT IN FULFILLMENT OF ALL THAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN ." REV.21:3 NOW THE KINGDOM OF GOD IS WITH MEN. 1st century original audience relevance then and forevermore. Let the Bible be God's word and man's traditions, nothing. SELLING BOOKS MAKES ALOT OF MONEY....

Date: 18 Jan 2006
Time: 22:17:54

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I hope to publish a book on the Revelation with extensive commentary this year. I respect Hank Hanegraaff and Tim LaHaye, but I think both have overlooked something very important in this debate. Neither Partial Prets nor premillennialists take into consideration that John's Revelation was so very Jewish! The traditional understandings of the beasts in Daniel and how the first three (not the fourth) are seen again in the Revelaion is totally ignored by most commentators. Rome was not and will not be the center of end-times events. Like it or not, our world is running pell-mell into a spiritual crisis in the mid-east that will affect Jews in Israel, not with bombs, attacks from Arabs or Muslim fanatics, but by the soon-coming of their Messiah and the stubborn refusal of many of them to be anxiously waiting for their bridegroom! Trying to insert the early Christians into the Revelation, (which never once mentions the "Church" but only refers to "Jews who are not Jews", to the place
exposition of the Old Testament prophecies, (as repeated and alluded to in the Revelation), that GOD is not done with the Jews. They will yet become everything he has planned for them to be. He will take some of the remnant of the Jewish people, who survive the plagues and see his coming, to be priests and Levites and he will send them to the farthest shores to speak of the LORD'S fame and glory!
 
I would love to dialog with Hank, Tim, or anyone who could embrace yet another view of the Revelation that I think ought to be considered. The Revelation is largely about an unseen spiritual warfare (the beasts) that will influence and affect the Jews in Israel just before the return of Christ. This spiritual warfare was rampant in the days when Jesus lived in Israel and it will be rampant again in the days before his second coming. Pretrib raptures have no place in any of these events, as LaHaye contends, but neither does the first century fulfillment theory of Hanegraaff. Both of these Godly men are partly on tract and both are off track as well. I am not suggesting finding a middle-ground because that's not in the Scriptures either; rather, it's seeing the role of the Jews in the last-days that needs urgent attention. I would appreciate your comments to me via mail as I do not go on-line very much. I just happened to run across this site as I was looking for some Talmudic histo
 

Date: 27 Jan 2006
Time: 11:55:57

Comments:

When did Nero order everyone in the Roman empire to receive a mark without which they could neither buy nor sell?

Date: 06 Apr 2006
Time: 22:52:53

Comments:

No, Nero did not institute such a mark.

As to Hank, he believes babies who die to lost parents go to hell but you'll see your pet Fido in heaven. It's quite unbelievable unless you've heard it yourself. Unfortunately, I have been cursed to listen to a segment done by him on Family Life Radio. A man that can believe something like that is not credible, even if he agrees with others who are credible. His answers are nothing more than hypothesis and he has a prevalent technique of insulting those who disagree with him, and then, yes, as stated by another Christian on this board, he refuses to debate them, even when they insist, which, of course, is his prerogative.

As to the partial preterist view, it is very accurate, but only from the sense that certain events in history resemble others, as if it is a sample of future events. There has never been a seven year period in history where everything in the Book of Revelation and Daniel's 70th week has occured and certainly nothing global which is implicitly described in scripture.

Not every partial preterist thinks that Revelation was written in 70 A. D., which is entirely preposterous especially since it was written in 96 A. D. as documented in history. For one, Albert Barnes 96 A. D. This is not important in the least but is noted here because this site notes him to be a partial preterist, but the comfirmations of Irenaeus, Clement, Victorinus, Jerome, Eusebius, Sulpicious Severus, Orosius, ect., ect., that it was written in 96 A. D., are. Most of these men lived near the life of John, especially Irenaeus who was proportedly the disciple of Polycarp, a disciple of John the Beloved, penman of the Revelation of Jesus Christ and also one of Christ's disciples.

It should noted that the partial preterism of Barnes was not set within any distinct seven years but spanned history following the completion of Revelation. Read his commentaries. Last I knew Baker Book House was selling the $1000 set for $75 on their website. It is fourteen volumes long (ten of which are written by Barnes) and about as many thousands of pages.

The distiction made between 70 and 96 A. D. is pagan and Christian Rome. John notes the incidences of violence with wonder. Why should he wonder at the evil deeds of a pagan nation? But the evil deeds of a Christian nation is another thing all together. That is something to wonder at and not in a positive manner.

I have not read the complete The Last Disciple, but what I have read of it confirms Hanegraaff is a competant novelist though the poorly written Left Behind is far more accurate; a careful reading of Revelation reveals plainly that each set of judgments overlap. The Christ Clone trilogy is much better written. It strikes me as being more speculative in some areas, but it is also more accurate in others, particularly its descriptions concerning the spiritual angle of events given in the Bible.

I do not believe the muslims have a connection with Bablyon except that the original location of Babylon is in Iraq. Study Ezekiel chapters 38, 39. It is often thought these chapters describe Armageddon. It does not. In the aforementioned chapters, Israel has allies, most fighting with them, other contributing fiscally. However, during Armageddon in Revelation 19, everyone is against them. Study the names of the countries, their locations and their present names and you will find that every Muslim nation is allies with Israel. It sounds absurd, especially with current circumstances and history, but that is what happens when we use our newspaper to interpret our Bible. You must also understand that just because one country is allied to another does not mean they are friends. Intimidation could be a factor.

"There shall be wars and rumors of wars; nation shall rise against nation" should not take anyone by surprise for it is something that has happened nearly all of history.

The paragraph before last, of course, might also suggest that Christ's coming is not now but in some distant future, which would not be a good suggestion to the lazy Christian who is only looking for an opportunity to bow out of God's work. We are always to be looking for his coming; it helps keep us busy.

Also, amillennialism states that Christ will not reign a thousand years on earth, which cannot be justified with scripture when Revelation blatantly states that he will. "Is not" is in clear contradiction with "is" and I would much rather believe God's "is" to man's "is not." "Let God be true and every man a liar." Revelation is not some allegory, saturated with hidden symbols, though it does contain symbols to exclaim events that will happen in a manner so people may understand in any dispensation. It is a revelation, thus the title. Only in one passage in the book does it ever describe anything hidden and that is the Seven Thunders in Revelation 10 and John was very clear that not only were they not hinted at, they were not written. If you believe this is the "Apocalypse" or hidden, that is closer to Gnosticism, though such an oversimplified explanation of Gnosticism does not begin to come close to the panoply of their beliefs; the rest is not worthy of describing seriously

The truth is discovered by careful study of God's Word and can be discerned by comparing scripture with scripture. "Study to show thyself aproved unto God, a workman that needeth not be ashamed." Compare words and phrases with other places in your Bible. Look for something to catch your eye. Write down certain phrases that seem to be a little perculiar, then search for them as you read. You will sometimes discover connections that are stronger than just wording.

God only gives man as much light as he accepts, though as previously stated, we will never fully know or understand the mind of God. May God bless your Bible studies. Satan is the author of confusion.

Date: 06 Apr 2006
Time: 23:21:27

Comments:

One thing I missed. The church is never mentioned in the eschatological chapters of Revelation. That is, past chapter three and the letters to the seven churches. Why is that? They're gone. The rapture is never mentioned in Revelation, yet all of the saints except those few still alive on the earth, return with Christ. The rapture is not mentioned in Revelation because it is not noticed by many people. If it was at a level akin to Left Behind, that would be different. But it won't be. " . . . as the days of Noe, so shall the coming of the son of man be." Of course there were only eight saved on the ark. Not to say there will only be eight raptured. I'm certain there would be many more, though a very insignificant percentile of the population. Christ inquires in the book of Luke, "Nevertheless when the son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?"

If the Christians are not raptured, it implies they must be Christians before the Tribulation, then that they may be deceived and receive the Mark, thus loosing their salvation which is not consistent with scripture. " . . . no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand." John 10:29

Christ coming is in two parts; the rapture and at Armageddon.

Rapture supported: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." I Thessalonians 4:16, 17

"In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed." I Corinthians 15:52

Those noting that the word "rapture" (which means to be "transported with delight") is not found in the bible must also note that the word "bible" is also not found in the bible.

Date: 25 Jun 2006
Time: 15:02:10

Comments:

Hank Hanegraaff is not a futurist, I don't understand why he's listed in that catergory on the sidebar  (TDD: Because he asked to be considered such)