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ALLEN SCANDAL

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UPDATE: George Allen's mother is Tunisian- Furrycat picks up on this and says: "If you don’t know it, macaca is a derogatory and very prejudiced term used in Tunisia in reference to blacks and dark-skinned people... I can bet you, he knew exactly what he meant when he called the guy “macaca”." 

This is a major development.

UPDATE #2-  Mohawk? 
Here's the picture.  Remember, Wadhams said in the Post: "Wadhams said Allen campaign staffers had begun calling Sidarth "mohawk" because of a haircut Wadhams said the Webb staffer has. "Macaca was just a variation of that," Wadhams said."

WHY DID WADHAMS LIE

UPDATE #3- Oh My

Macaque 
(Belgium & France) a Negro (originally) or a person of North African origin (more recently); derived from macaque monkeys

UPDATE #4-  Oh My God.  Check this out, this is devastating.

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You Tube is still verifying your video. It's not up JUST yet.

My good friend is a tracker of the Mark Kennedy campaign (MN-Senate) and has been called out by Kennedy before but this is insane.

Ben, you're surrendering your sensible credentials if you really think this is a story.

James:

I guess the WaPo will cease being a newspaper if that is the case.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/14/AR2006081400589.html

"Loading ..."

Anybody else stuck on this?

That ain't pretty.

This removes all doubt, he says Welcome to America, not welcome to the Real America. He may also say real Virginia but that was in reference to the point he was trying to make about Webb. This is disgusting

Watched. And Allen could just as easily have been meaning to address Webb as being out of touch with America. Since he won't be in those areas where Allen is, the video's are great, here's America, here's Virginia, welcome, because it's the only visit Webb's going to make, by video.

Not a story.

"My friends, we're going to run this campaign on positive, constructive ideas..."

And then he proceeds to insult a member of the audience. There is no doubt about the intent. It's being used to single him out and he's using a stereotype to demean him. This is something and we can play it over and over again to show what an insensitive man he is.

"...and it's important that we motivate and inspire people for something."

Like racism and bigotry! Where's the noose?

The comment at 3:29 is mine...

And he definitely says Mocaca or Macaca, not Mohawka, like some people are trying to insinuate...

Even if George Allen meant Mohawka, and even if George Allen meant welcome to the REAL America, why the hell did he spend a couple of minutes denigrating a poorly paid intern position guy? Seems like he cracked a little and made a dumb move

Jason,

The WAPO reported on it. It's a story.

Does it have traction beyond this week? Probably not

Does it hurt Allen massively? No

Was it a stupid mistake? Yes

Anybody who believes this can be accounted for by the incredibly attenuated explanation that Allen meant to say "Mohawks" and that he meant to say "real America" instead of America is simplya shill for the Allen campaign. I hope this video goes far and wide. People should see what kind of man George Allen really is.

333 anon - You're right, no traction and no real impact. Ultimately all it will do is make folks who already support Webb continue to support Webb. No minds are going to be changed on this.

Webb needs to hold an event at the site this took place AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

He needs to go there and say "Unlike George Allen, I won't just come visit now and then, I'll actually fight for you when I'm elected Senator"

Game, Set, Match.

Wow. Even a bigger yawn that I was first led to believe. Y'all are beyond desperate if you really think this will amount to anything at all... beyond a week's worth of lefty echoing.

Have fun.

Jason should be shunned just like George Allen.

If you watch that video and do not see the vitriol in his eyes when he looks at that camera....

Watch his face, anyone remember seeing the school bully chuckle to himself as he tried to humiliate someone.

This is sickening. Just because it happens all the time it is no less troubling...and from a US Senator.

Oh, wow, a Not me. I haven't felt this famous since I was in the phone book.

Now, with the video before him, Pubes is on the record for being fine with this kind of xenophobic bashing.

I.Publius,

How desperatley I wish to be more like you and ignore all facts and standards of decency when I make my political decisions. To never hold my leaders accountable, to never think that they can do wrong, to hold no respect for those of different skin colors and think that those who call racist remarks racist are out of touch, and to not find the irony is George Allen deriding Hollywood values when his time growing up in Hollywood for some reason led him to admire the confederacy...

You are what makes America great. May you go forth and prosper from this day forward.

Does the young man have a mohawk? That seems kind of unlikely. I mean, usually people involved in politics don't go for extreme hairdos.

But I grew up in Virginia, and Allen is definitely trying to address the racist base that very much is still there. This is, after all, the state where some considered it disrespectful that a statue of Arthur Ashe might go up on the same street (in a majority black town, by the way, where Ashe was born!) where there are statues of confederate "heroes". Disrespectful to the confederates, who counted for a lot more with these people than a great local sportsman who did so much for the people in the area.

Trust me, those people understood exactly what Allen was saying when he called a man of Indian descent a synonym for "monkey", just as they understand when he says that he "collects flags" and that's why he had a rebel flag. They hear him saying, "Yeah, I'm a racist too. Vote for me and I'll serve your interests."

Personally, I feel like saying, "Fine. All you racists, vote for George Allen. You are a minority anyway."

But you know, it's sort of scary that a man who grew up in California so totally assumed the long-discredited racism of the south. He doesn't even come by it naturally.

I wonder why more hasn't been made of what his siblings have said about him abusing them in childhood.

Republican makes fun of Democrat for haircut = Republican is a real American

Democrat makes fun of Republican for Haircut = Democrat is an elitist

I love the GOP kool aid, it always goes down well.

BTW,
Allen's time in Hollywood did not lead him to admire the confederacy, it lead him to hijack its symbols (as others did) and use it as a means of hatred and divsion instead of pride.

Obviously Allen was just putting the gun on notice:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v306/jasonkenney/OnNotice2.jpg

People, wake up! Racism tanks pols all the time e.g. Trent Lott, Strom, etc.

Even if it doesn't end his campaign, it will give everyone around him a bad taste in their mouths. It will limit contributions to the GA campaign. It will make independents that much less likely to vote for GA. And it will motivate our base to come out more so now that the video is out.

You Dems that say this is marginal, at best, are the same types that run away from a tough fight, partisanship, and staying on message. Let's keep this story alive because if it means GA will have to issue an apology, explain himself, etc., then we've won.

Start drinking the blue-raspberry Kool-Aid, its time to take back the Senate.

>"If you watch that video and do not see the vitriol in his eyes"

Puh-lease. Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

Dukie -- get off your high horse. Y'all are obviously clinging to anything you can find that might give Webb a chance, this is the best thing that's come across the wire in weeks... and you're hanging on for dear life.

Hollywood Moguls?

I thought Cecil b. DeMille was dead.

Last time I checked, George Allen was the only one running for office who has appeared in a movie.

What a retard!!

This is my favorite part!

"Adding comments have been disabled for this video."

Just like a Democrat....

It's not about having a high horse. Race is not a poltiical issue for either side. Joe Biden made a similar remark a couple weeks ago; he apologized and move on. Allen should apologize, bottom line.

Allen's presidential campaign is OVER. Not that he ever had a chance.

Republicans should be embarrassed by him. The smart ones are no doubt!

Absolutely disgusting. It's an act of cowardice to single out a member of a minority group to unify a room of bigots. This one goes beyond the pale. And for those who don't see this for what it is. God help you.

Anon 3:50

HAHAHAHA good point. That picture of Allen playing dress up needs to get on a TV ad and fast.

"And then he proceeds to insult a member of the audience"

A stalker is not a member fo the audience.

The audience was a group of people in a rural setting. A kid from Northern Virginia video taping it for his opponents campaign is not the audience.

I thought he was lighthearted in making fun of the video stalker - much better than the McKinney (D-GA) staffer who slugged a cameraman on election night earlier this week.

His choice of name is stupid. But his welcoming Webb and the staff to American and the Real Virginia - as opposed to Hollywood and its elitist bubble - is a valid contrast.

Long story short - this story does not have legs.

Yeah, I think I just found this guy on facebook (I go to UVA Law), and unless these pictures are old, he doesn't even come close to having a mohawk. In some of the pictures, sure, a dyed red patch in the middle of his hair. But no, I think I'm gonna have to conclude that Allen is just a racist asshole. Which I guess I concluded a long time ago . . .

Sadly, the video isn't nearly as bad as Ben's first "quote." I actually thought this story had legs until I saw the video. Now I think it's essentially a non-story after this first news cycle. As for seeing something in his eyes, just looked to me like he was smiling.

Does anybody else have a problem with Lowell...I mean Ben...suddenly becoming a Webb shill as soon as the Webb campaign pays for commercials on NLS? Looks like a little quid pro quo where the Webb campaign lets Ben "break" the story in exchange for doing its dirty work. Attaching a fundraising link to this post makes it even more transparent and disappointing.

Let's see if the WaPo story even makes the print edition tomorrow. My sense is that a whole lot of good NLS readers set their hair on fire for no good reason. So we now have proof that Allen speaks without thinking, that his words pull back the curtain, revealing a little bit on what is likely a racist heart and mind inherited from his father etc., but we knew all of that already. Unfortunately, Allen was smiling and rambling and being the fool he is - but he was not the snarling, rabid race-baiter who singled out some poor kid in a menacing or threatening manner. I wish it weren't so, but this is not a deal breaker...not even in NOVA, at least not in my opinion.

Yada, yada, yada. Allen is a racist. Now there's a hot flash!

BTWl, people of color know the difference between a joke and racism. Republicants believe everyone is stupid. At least when they are referring to their base they are correct.

Just sent the article and video to three of my Indian friends who live in Virginia, without comment. They are all Republicans. They all said Allen just lost their vote for the "welcome to America" comment.

BTW, Asians make up 4.4% of VA's population.

The Webb campaign is very sensitive about insulting the race of someone from India.

More sensitive than insulting those who are Jewish, apparently.

Nothing new, but still chilling to watch. This is the same George Allen I've seen for a long time..ever since those early Governor campaign ads and his "yellow teeth down their whiny throats" comments.

Not very Senatorial let alone Presidential behavior...but red meat for the downstate "real Americans" I imagine.

Anyone wonder if I.Publius is not Roger Jarrell?

Delta Mike - I love that. Everytime a race issue comes up everyone suddenly has 3 friends of that race that swear they're personally offended and wish death on the transgressor.

Exactly the same claims were made by anti-Webb folks with the anti-semitism crap. "I forwarded that flier to 3 Jewish friends and they all say Webb started the Holocaust."

The next step is to contact your local media. I just wrote WTOP to cover it in the DC-area.

You should contact you local newspaper, news radio outlets, etc.

Richmond Times Dispatch doesn't have a story up...they should be targeted, next.

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise!

SOUTHSIDER defends racism...who'd a thunk it?

Excuse me anon 4:20. I'm not defending racism. I just said the video didn't look as bad as the words read. What in my rather limited posting history supports the implications you're making.

Lowell has a picture of Siddharth up on RK. Man, he grew that mohawk in quick!

Furrycat, interesting that the Wikipedia entry was substantially modified today and is remarkably different from the entry cached on Friday, particularly as today’s modifications are attributed to you. That aside, you may have a future as a fiction writer/WAPO columnist.

Anyone who places any credence in a Wikipedia reference deserves any and all consequences that may befall them.

—Mom

Yawn. Racism is Bor-ing! I mean, it might have been cool in the 1950s but really...who cares now. Seriously, what are brown people doing in America anyway? If you ain't White, you aint' right! That's all I have to say.

Well, not really, I'm going to keep saying crazy racist stuff 'cause I can't help standing up for my main man G.Allen!

I.Pub Out!

Did furrycat really manipulate the wiki entry and then cite it in support of one of his comments?

Anon 4:19. Don't spin what I said. They said Allen lost their vote. Nothing about death or the Holocaust. My point is that this will cost Allen votes. Is that all you have? Exaggeration and hyperbole?

And if Webb lost some Jewish voters because of the flyer, so be it. He deserved it for tacitly approving of something so stupid.

No - I think "mom" is referring to the George Allen entry, which already has this incident up on it.

No - I think "mom" is referring to the George Allen entry, which already has this incident up on it.

Furrycat may have changed the wiki entry (not "manipulated"), but it is apparent that Allen's mother is Tunisian.

Link (a conservative site tracking 2008 GOP presidential hopefuls):
http://race42008.com/george-allen/

The quote:
Allen’s mother immigrated from French Tunisia and was “Italian, French and a little Spanish” and according to Allen, was imprisoned by the Nazi Regime in World War II Germany. Allen’s father was of Dutch-Irish and Scottish descent.

>"Just sent the article and video to three of my Indian friends who live in Virginia, without comment. They are all Republicans. They all said Allen just lost their vote for the "welcome to America" comment."


What an amazing coincidence. I sent it to four of MY Indian friends in NoVa. And they're all Democrats. They said that they still didn't like either candidate much, and that this video was much ado about nothing.

I guess my four Indian friends trumps your three.

Nice try, though.

Jeez - that's what Wadhams is calling a mohawk? This is looking worse and worse.

Day one of Allen's "Listening Tour" and he is already talking hate. Virginia's United States Senator sounds more like the fraternity jackass. What an embarrassment.

He DOES have a mohawk, sort of. The sides are growing out. He stopped and talked to us while we were standing on VES Rd. waiting for Allen to speak to the Chamber of Commerce at Westminster Canterbury.
He was very nice, interested in us and thanked us for what we did ( LOTS of WEBB signs on VES road to greet Allen).

I am disgusted. I want a press conference of some sort. Absolutely despicable.

What is this really? A sign of desperation from the Webb Camp. Trust me, this is a non-issue and you sure won’t see this on the Sunday show.

Of course, the difference is Publius is lying for sure.

On the mohawk, maybe it's like the Simpsons when Burns is coaching the baseball team and keeps telling one player (Mattingly?) to shave his non-existent sideburns.

Maybe the entire Allen campaign staff doesn't know what a mohawk is. Maybe they are that stupid.

Bubby-exactly. Maybe it should be renamed the "insult tour bc I am a huge asshole running for senate."

HOLY CRAP - great find Slim about his link to Tunisia. No wonder Allen knew about this slur!

I sent this video to 15 of my friends named Macaca and they were so excited about the attention that they're all voting for Gail Parker. You see Macaca means "I love rails" in their homeland.

And yes, the term "macaca" is a very derogatory term meaning "monkey".

The macaca monkeys are found in Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia, and in Gibraltar.

http://members.tripod.com/uakari/macaca_sylvanus.html

WHY DID WADHAMS LIE

Bc he is a republican perative. George Allen looks like a real douche when he says he relies on fact not fiction. the FACT is, the guy doesn't have a mohawk. You would think after 12 years in public office Allen would be smarter than.....ooops, no, nevermind.

That's no mohawk. I guess Allen and his team saw a haircut from someone who didn't look like the preppy special and thought it some new fangled punk do.

You honestly believe the mohawk thing was made up out of thin air. Obviously, as said above, Siddarth had some kind of mohawkish (is that a word) haircut and the bored (and maybe dumb) Allen staffers referred to it as a mohawk. BTW, I can show you one picture where I'm bald and one with an afro.

Thank God for the blogs - surely this mid-August snafu will define the rest of the campaign.

In the meantime, who can find the most offensive homonym of macaca? Quick!

If the Allen people are saying that Allen was referencing the young man's Mohawk that is still a sad way to point out a person. I taught for 30 years and you don't say something like " Hey you in the back of the room....you with the mohawk, shaved head, purple hair....fill in the blank...you say young man or young lady,,,,if you don't know their name.
The Allen camp's excuse or cover up or whatever is lame as all.

Can you show us a picture where you were bald one day and then had that afro a few days later? Because that's the situation we have here.

anon 443- Its not possible to have a Mohawk and then grow in a normal haircut within a couple days. Give me a break.

anon 4:48. Actually, I could. Of course, the afro picture comes first.

If you are not outraged by this, or if you think it isn't a big deal, I don't know who can help you.

Okay, the Tunisian mother changes things. I withdraw my earlier statement that the "macaque" stuff was a stretch.

I'm having a hard time figuring out if gay white folk are ok. Or very masculine straight Italians. Wait. Or wait, maybe a Welshman with darkish hair. Hang on. Could everyone please leave Virginia for a while while I figure all this out?

Agree KCinDC - this is turning into a show stopper story. No mohawk, and a direct link to the obscure slur.

All the excitement over this?

I didn’t know what macaca was, and I’m still not sure if it is a genus of a species or an actual monkey or a town or a …?

I feel confident that the good people in Breaks probably didn’t know what it meant (and no, I have never been to Breaks).

I’m reasonably confident that George Allen probably did not know the meaning of macaca because he sure as hell would not have said something like that while knowing he was being recorded by a Webb staffer! He was directing his comments at the staffer, trying to make a point. He was not having a back-alley discussion with an old friend. It was a public event and his opponent was videotaping it!

The proof seems to be in the pudding. Heck, even the WaPo story now has a link to the video. I’ve watched it several times and I still come to the same conclusion: It was foolish for a sitting United States Senator to chide a Webb staffer and call him a name that could mean something derogatory.

SENATOR Allen should apologize for the unintended remark. NLS, RK, DailyKos, and others should not let the netroots forget that he made a very foolish remark.

I don’t think this was a racist attack. But what I think should not stop the effort of seeing if this story has any legs in the MSM and the voting booth. I just hope that the netroots and the Webb campaign not focus on the racism issue, but instead on George Allen’s lack of judgment and sensitivity, and outright foolishness.

Insinuating that a sitting United States Senator is racist could mobilize a stronger base for Webb as a challenger, but it could also galvanize Allen’s supporters throughout the Commonwealth.

Read martha's post above. There was a mohawk. Apparently, it's just a funny shaved sides haircut. Guess we'll need a sideview to confirm the existence or lack of a mohawk...I can't believe how silly this has gotten.

Give me a break - look at the picture. There is no mohawk. "Shaved sides" isn't something you can grow back into the hair we see in that picture in just a day.

The sad thing is Allen's people have now removed all reference to Allen's mother in the original wikipedia article I cited.

Now, they have removed Tunisia completely from entry. Yep.

Poof! Gone. Did anyone get a screen grab of the original wikipedia entry?

Wikeality in motion! Colbert would be proud.

Fortunately the truth is found here:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12079685/

and here:
http://race42008.com/george-allen/

Furry - they haven't gotten to this link yet:

http://www.quaest.io/?title=george-felix-allen

thanks anon 5:20. It needs to be saved.

Pathetic that the Allen supporters completely edited out Allen's mother and her Tunisian background within the last hour or so from the original Wikipedia entry.

Furrycat, you can look at the history for the Wikipedia page to see older versions and differences between them. Every change is tracked.

I also am revising my opinion somewhat, and I still don't think this is a deal breaker. But the fact that this kid does not have a Mohawk, and the information about Allen's mother strongly suggests that this is ripe for exploitation. However, I would temper the hair-on-fire enthusiasm with a double shot of sobriety. My target would be Wadhams, not Allen. My objective would be modest, achievable and of value. My objective would be to diminish Wadhams' value and credibility as a source for quotes and information for the MSM. Wadhams statement re the Mohawk is a bald-faced lie and the Webb media operation should lazer-in on selling that point to the press (and what that lie implies - but it is the lie, not the implied covering Allen's [perhaps intended] racist statement. They can prove the lie, not the racism, focus on what you can prove. Let the press hound Wadhams for the next 24 hours and see what comes of it.

So here's likely what happened: Allen called Sidarth "that young man Macaca" when he didn't know the guy's real name but wanted to call him something, preferably insulting (since he was mocking the guy in front of the crowd), and this was the first thing that popped out of his mouth. An old racist term he was familiar with thanks to his family background.

Oops.

Now time to spin. Spin #1 is that he meant to say "mohawk" or some derivative of "mohawk." Sure. Run with that. It's laughable on its face and will make for great TV.

Looks like Allen is a racist and a liar.

You people are gonna feel silly when you see the pictures of Siddarth that are probably already out there in the MSM's hands. Don't forget, you're dealing with a very professional adversary. You think you've got them but you'll be surprised what they come back with. I bet Tyler Whitney is already in Dick Wadhams' office looking at a whole photo album of Siddarth and his ever changing hair.

"My understanding is that Saddarth has a MOHAWK (literally). Could Allen just have been making some play on that? Who knows until we see the video?

Posted by: | August 14, 2006 at 02:11 PM"

Interesting that this was posted in the previous thread at 2:11pm and an hour later Wadhams is pushing this little "theory" to the WaPo. Coincidence?

No, it is no coincidence. One of the webb volunteers I hang out with has a friend on the Allen campaign. They are not allowed to post, but they read NLS and RK RELIGIOUSLY-they are totally obsessed with us. They definitely saw that comment, so that's why he gave the reason. Allen is DONE; face it.

That update number 4 is unbelieveable.

sorry, anon 5:51 is me.

When did George Allen change his last name to Wallace?

Good lord, folks, calm down.

You could be playing right into Wadhams' hands - Allen didn't whisper this backstage, he said it loud and clear directly to the camera. Predictably, the blogs erupted with moral indignation.

Anyone else think that could have been exactly what they were going for? Aiming to clump Webb in with liberals hyperventalating on the internet while Allen says what the "silent majority" of Virginians are actually thinking?

This isn't a blue state yet, guys, and this is a general election now. Tread carefully.

NLS,

Congrats on making it on The Hotline blog. First WaPo, now Hotline, who will pick it up next?

Just got an e-mail from the campaign about the Macaca incident. Nice!

I just watched it again-it is so disgusting.

The answer is: Wonkette.

A band that I like, The Squirrel Nut Zippers, had a song called Trou Macacq:

http://www.stlyrics.com/lyrics/blastfromthepast/troumacacq.htm

Not sure if it's relevant but just thought I'd post it.

If the "silent majority" of Virginia thinks that way, then why are we having a battle on the marriage amendment? Why do we have more and more waves of people and places going blue? If that's what the silent majority thinks, then maybe we should move. I don't believe you, and I am offended by that coment.

Everyone

Macacque is pronounced

Muh-kack

not Muh-cah-cah

from dictionary.com

ma·caque Audio pronunciation of "macaque" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (m-kk, -käk)

"Playing right into Wadham's hands"...."Tread carefully"....

What friendly advice! Quite the reverse psychology fake-out!

It doesn't MATTER if Sidarth has/had a mohawk or not! How do you get Macaca from Mohawk? They are two completely different words, so there is no point in debating whether he does have one or not, the point is the word Macaca had to come from somewhere. 1) Allen already knew the term from his mother/family and used it without thinking. 2) His staffers who had given Sidarth nicknames already called him this and Allen just picked up on it. Either way, you don't use a word you don't know the meaning of. Unless you are gdub preznit.

HA! For those of you still pretending this doesn't matter:

This thing is really cookin... (4.00 / 1)
Almost 2000 views of the video, the WAPO has 4 pages of comments on the article, comments are through the roof on NLS, and over 400 on dKos.

Thank you George Allen for showing your true colors to the world.

(Eric on RK)

Jester, "silent" final e's are pronounced by some French speakers (and in songs, like "Frere Jacques" and "Alouette").

I believe his hairstyle is called a "high and tight." It's actually really common in the military.

KCinDC, you are grasping with macaque or mah-kack to macaca as much as the guys who are trying to turn mohawk into macaca. It just doesn't cut it.

And his mom was French-Tunisian.

My take is that Allen seemed to be flustered and couldn't gracefully get out of simply pointing Webb's man in the audience. He refers to Sidarth and "his opponent", as if it was Sidarth's opponent. I think that he tried to be a laid back smart-ass and instead got a red-ass [and rightfully so] because he could use an innocuously insulting term for a Democratic staff worker. There was something intrinsic about his choice of words. He knew his audience and he subconsciously chose a term that would draw a clear distinction for the crowd. If it was a person of African, Asian or rural American descent, he might have blurted out "Holmes", "Fuji" or "Goober" when he got wrapped around his 'clean' campaign rhetoric. The idiot, Allen just didn't know any better & he couldn't resist the need to point Siddarth out. Dumb ass hypocrite.

While I am not at all surprised that George Allen would be disrespectful of someone he deemed an adversary, I must admit, I'm quite put off by his use of the word mucaca. Having a Spanish-speaking partner, I know what this word means and how it is usually used.

It is FAR less than flattering.

Allen should apologize. If he doesn't, raze the hills with his ignorance and let the people of Virginia decide.

Sorry to all the apologists out there (is there any behavior so morally despicable that you wouldn't defend it?), but history would suggest that Allen simply miscalculated. He thought it was no big deal to say this slur out loud. He was saying what he thought that crowd wanted to hear, and is just arrogant enough that he thought he could get away with it.

He knew exactly what he was saying. The removal of information about Mom and Tunisia demonstrates that.

The man is an unrepentant racist, and anyone defending this behavior has signed on to that.

Yawn, I have been watching the news all day and have yet to see any news on this outside the blogs and the small WA POST story. The real story of the Webb campaign is the fact that the National Democrats have left him high and dry financially.

All of my little nutties are so tired, they keep yawning and yawning. I'm pretty sure its them immigrants, especially the native born ones- those are the most insidious immigrants. So hard to tell. Always getting dear leader into trouble!

My dog talks to me. He calls me silva puer. I'm pretty sure he's a terrorist.

Why is it that whenever I want to learn about obscure racist terms, I can always count on democrats to provide them?

We are a bunch of really smart people here, and I bet not one in a hundred among us had any idea what "macaca" (which isn't the pronunciation, but let's go with it) meant until it was looked up and reported.

But we are supposed to believe that not only did George Allen know what it meant, but that he also assumed that one hundred people at his party would also know what it was, while nobody who viewed a video tape would know what it was.

Here's an alternate explanation for you: Guy's been following Allen around a while. Staff has nickname for him, Mohawk. Allen's heard them call him something, not sure what.

He's at a function, the kid wanders close enough to be seen by everybody. Allen decides to point out that Webb is so clueless about Virginia that he has a paid staffer running around videotaping it for him. Allen clearly is chiding Webb in the videotape.

But after he says "this young man", he realises it's not good to just say "this young man", he should say the kids name -- but he doesn't know the name, and he can't remember what the staffers said his name was, but it was something that started with an "m",

and so he says what he thinks his staff said the kid's name was. There is absolutely NO reaction in the crowd to the use of the name, nor does the young man videotaping react in any way whatsoever.

Allen was obviously NOT trying to "single out the man", except to point out that he was on the Webb campaign staff and was there to videotape what america, virginia, the real virginia looks like.

It also didn't seem that he was addressing the young man when he made his speech to Webb addressing the videotape telling him welcome to america, virginia. It looked like he was talking about Webb, not some staffer. But people will see what they want to see.

Until I heard differently, I thought the kids NAME was "macaca". It was clear Allen was refering to the kid's name -- and he should apologize for getting the name wrong, although I don't know if Allen ever directly met the man and learned his name.

Anyway, as with "tar-baby", I appreciate having democrats around to tell me another of the thousands of ways they know to insult people.

I bet Tyler Whiley is under Dick Wadhams desk.

Ol' Whitley is so far up Allen's ass he(meaning the racist) could spit him out.

There is nothing fair or unbiased about the RTD's reporting. Whitley is an old friend of Allen's and should recuse himself from reporting on this race. Then again, that would take a strong doses of ethical behavior somehting neither Allen nor Whitley are capable of of.

And let me throw in old drunk for good service.

Nice try, Charles. See, it's the DEMOCRATS who have the racist vocabulary when they google the slurs used by Republicans! That's the ticket!

Why does an asshat like Allen have *any* credibility with *anyone* at this point. He's a confirmed wink-wink racist, a chickenhawk in extremis, and his only connection to VA is through the friggin Redskins, who, btw, will suck once again this season.

As someone who is Indian, Republican, a huge Davis supporter, and (formerly) a casual Allen supporter, I am a little bit upset at Senator Allen and let me explain why. First of all, I do understand that we all make jokes and I am not advocating political correctness. I watch the Simpson’s just like everyone else and I can definitely take a good natured joke. I make fun of my own people all the time. But the problem here is that Senator Allen appears to be picking on someone in a mean and malicious way. He appears to be singling out this person in front of a crowd that is presumably mostly white and he thinks that this is going to somehow score him political points. Now, if Senator Allen were making fun of the guy cause he was a Webb staffer, that would be different. But he goes above and beyond that. In other words, it’s the tone, spirit, and context of the situation that has me upset.
I should add that Senator Allen was one of the first Senators to speak out in favor of renewing the Voting Rights Act this year. He has also been a co-sponsor of Hate Crimes legislation.
It’s not my place to judge whether Senator Allen is a racist or not. I don’t know his heart and unlike the left, I don’t believe in instinctively attributing all events to race or class. Political correctness is not what I am advocating here. But having said that, you can’t be dumb enough to say what Senator Allen said.
Our country and the GOP have both come a really, really long way when it comes to race relations. Thirty years ago, we sat at segregated tables. Today, many minorities own their own businesses. That can only happen in America, or “the city on a shining hill”, as President Reagan used to call it.
However, Senator Allen’s comments should remind everyone that you don’t just ask people for their vote. Rather, you have to earn it. Unfortunately, I will not be supporting Senator Allen in his bid for the US Senate, nor his bid for the Presidency. The fact is that the Senator has a staff that is incredibly arrogant, to put it kindly. I can’t tell you how many Republicans I know that feel that way. Also, the Senator comes across, as one of my good GOP friends from New York likes to say, as a person who is ” as genuine as a three dollar bill”. I know Senator Allen loves to use football analogies.
The Senator may think he scored a touchdown with his conservative base when he made those unfortunate remarks. Unfortunately, the reality is that he threw an ill timed interception- one that may cost him dearly in the 2008 Super Bowl that is the Presidential election.

Sorry, Ben, but I just don't see how George Allen being a racist bigot qualifies as breakning news.

He and Conrad Burns are the most racist Senators in Weashington.

Many of the Webb supporters on this thread are proving themselves to be hypocrites and well as justifying the elitist attitudes many people in NOVA have about the rest of the state. I cannot count the number of times I have read something to the affect of "Allen was playing to his base." You paint ALL republicans of southwest Virginia as backwoods racist hicks.
I just LOVE the hypocrisy from the "party of tolerance."

That sure sent a shudder down my spine.

Not a particularly good light for Allen, but if your gonna be a pest don't be suprised if you get smacked down a little. In the end, Webb won't win becasue of comments like this, Webb is going to have to spend more time in places like Breaks, VA and less in San Fransisco to win.

This is hardly what I was expecting NLS. Very disappointing.

RIGHT...and Allen doesn't have trackers that are pests. Pickles wasn't a pest enough to be arrested.

Grasping. at. straws.

Doesn't Allen seem a bit Deanish in the video. I mean overly emotional and a bit out of control?

Didn't Hillary have a little something that was slightly more deragotory than this to say about Ghandi?

I really don't think this is much of an issue...unless of course the two reaches that this "story" is built upon are accurate. Those two reaches would be a. that Allen knew that this was somehow a deragotory term for people of color (how many of us did this time yesterday?) and b. that Allen wasn't referring to SWVA when we said "welcome to America."

Based upon those two things that the story appears to be built upon, this seems relatively easy to put to rest. Allen should apologize and move on...put this behind him.

I still don't see how this can be the damning of Allen's further political aspirations - it just seems like there are too many variables that would be all too easy for the Allen campaign to spin.

This is just going to get into a pissing match between "he said this, no he said this . . ." and its all going to be sound and fury and you know the rest. This is seriously grasping at straws. For the purposes of "both sides of the argument" check out these:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006/08/allen.html

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/blog/2006/08/political_video_of_the_day_ii_3.html

But I guess if you pray and wish hard enough, this could be what you want it to be. The fact it, it is not. And for someone to say they "shuddered" when they head this is laughable. And I love Ben and his site, its usually my first stop. But this is the truest sign of desperation. 16 points down, no money, no support from the DSCC, and no issues that have captivated the commonwealth. So now what? Lets go back to the classic liberal attack: race. Lets try and catch Allen in some amorphous "racial" comment, feign outrage, and hope we can slip in the back door.

THAT is grasping.

(KILO gets credit for those links)

Harris Miller won the Democratic Primary. The politics of division has won.

Yeah, what a great site for non partisan news....

::rolls eyes::

Mason Conservative,

1. Every other poll has Webb down 8-10, the mentioned poll did not push undecideds.
2. Webb just finished raising a lot of money
3. The DSCC made ad buys in states they are going to win so they can put them away early; they will bring money after Labor Day
4. No issues that have captivated the Commonwealth...that is the stupidest fucking comment I've ever heard on this site. Since there has not been mass demonstrations and revolutions based on Webb's policy proposals, he doesn't have support for it?
Here's some issues that are captivating:
Taking money from Big Oil
Voting against the minimum wage but for your own pay
Supporting a war in Iraq with no plan to win the peace and no plan for withdrawl.

When the voters know Webb, they will like Webb.

As for Democrats playing the race card; we only do it because its so fucking easy. Stop giving us ammo and we'll stop doing it. This only confirms the lingering doubts about Allen's views on race.

One stupid remark at a campaign event has given every person in Virginia who values racial tolerance a reason to come out and vote against George Allen.

The Washington Post, a bastion of unbiased journalism.

::rolls eyes::

BMFC,
Not sure where you're going with that. The post is if anything, centrist. Endorsing Lieberman's independent bid, supporting CAFTA, supporting the invasion of Iraq...this is not a source of lefty lunatics.

It leans left but doesn't go off the deep end the way RTD or Washington Times do. By and large it is the most credible paper for statewide issues.

I agree with your statement about Democrats being hypocritical on race issues; I don't think Allen was playing to his base, I think Allen was being a stupid racist. I think a fair number of Republicans will hold his feet to the fire on this if he doesn't issue some sort of apology. If he does, this goes away. If not, then this race just got REALLY interesting

I still think anonymous comments show that some folks are too chicken to stand up for what they believe in.

FortyFour, I don't see how Hillary's gas station joke, awful though it was, is worse than using a racist slur and saying "Welcome to America" to someone of Asian ancestry born in the United States.

I originally felt as you do that the "slur" accusation was a stretch. But after learning that Allen's mother spoke French and came from Tunisia, and determining that "macaque" is really used as a racist term, I've decided that coincidence isn't a reasonable explanation.

Nice to see you can't even put a name on your post. Now unlike you, I won't debase myself or insulting this site by using swear words.

Now to your well articulated points:
1) Sorry, 10 points down. MY Bad. That is so much better. And forget about the center, as we have seen in Connecticut--the center is shrinking my friend, and if you are depending on it to win your not.

2) You seem to think that when Webb gets money, Allen somehow does not? Allen is almost 6 million ahead and should stay ahead. And notice that Webb has to LEAVE the state to raise his money. Why can't he bring his Hollywood pals to Breaks, VA? Is he ashamed of where his money comes from? Whil Webb is away on his magical mystery tour of Cali, he's being defiend back home.

3) The fact is Webb needs that DSCC money NOW, he's sooooo far behind waiting until Labor Day won't be enough time. Suprisingly competative races in Washington, New Jersey, and Michigan are going to make it hard for Webb, who chances are marginal compared to other states, from getting serious money from the national Dems.

4) Not sure what to say to this. Its basic political differences, there is a good argument for not raising the minimum wage. At my retail store, if they raised the MW, they would have to let some people go to afford it. As far as Iraq goes, my friend we will just have to agree to disagree.

5) "When the voters know Webb, they will like Webb" Its gonna take more than that. Thats naive fantasy stuff. I LIKE James Webb, there's nothing wrong with him as a person, but he is going to have to promote a platform that Virginians will like more than Allen's.

6) As for the race card, for sure the GOP hasn't always been at the top of the heap (Lott, Strom, etc), but Allen has worked hard in the Senate to get money and technological advances for blakc colleges, and pushed throuhg a senate apology for lynching. I know its not MLK, but if you really believe that Allen is a bigot, I guess your drinking the Kool-Aid. Its like folks on the left who think that Webb is an anti-Semite. He's not, thats rubbish. And so is this. Was it a stupic remark, sure! But I make stupid comments all the time, and god knows what I would say to someone who has been following me around wiht a camera everyday and night. As far as pointing him out, I very much doubt its his race--rather he was probably the only Webb supporter there. Allen just needs to apoligizes and this will all move behind him.

I appreciate the debate, but when you respnd to me, try not to throw out "that is the stupidest fucking comment I've ever heard on this site," it makes me not take you seriously if you can't debate wihtout throwing out swears. And try and put some sort fo name so I can address this. Don't hide. My name is Chris, so you know.

Hey Ben, when you say "Oh My God", which god is that you are talking about?

You capitalized it, which normally people taking the Lord's name in vain won't do.

In the Jewish faith, devout practitioners won't even include all the letters in His name. First commandment and all.

It'll be interesting to see how this gets played in the mainstream media away from our kind; whether or not it causes Allen's lead to shrink in the polls, I think the action is disgusting.

I honestly don't think Allen is smart enough to make the Macaca reference, but calling Sidarth a name makes Allen vulnerable on this. He sure as hell wasn't calling him 'mohawk'.

Allen voted for the Minimum wage, in a bill that attempted to minimize the impact on small businesses so that they could keep employing the minimum-wage earners.

The democrats filibustered it.

Allen voted for a straight-up minimum wage bill, coupled with several other critical tax cuts supported by democrats, and a modified death tax that put the tax BACK IN PLACE for the richest americans, just like the democrats say that they want.

The democrats filibustered that as well, saying that they would rather have the issue than the result.

The minimum wage is useless to the democrats as law -- it's only useful if they DON'T pass the law.

Obviously though, having one of his staff members called a monkey is much more important an issue than the minimum wage, or those other things you list.

Presuming we are going to pretend saying "his name is macaca" is the same as saying "that guy is a Macaque", even though the one word has 3 syllables and the other has 2 syllables.

Oh, but can't forget his mother is Tunisian -- and obviously his mother spent his childhood hurling racial epithets in french at black people.

Yes, that's what the democrat webb supporters want you to believe, that Allen grew up with a mother who was a racist, who taught him how to make racist slurs in other languages.

Realise Allen never lived in Tunisia, but the Webb supporters say he "heard the word growing up", which must mean they think his mother said it all the time.

Of course, Webb's campaign has made other derogatory comments about Allen's mother, when they weren't making fun of his middle name.

DukieDem, he wasn't "callign him a name". Watch the video, he was saying the guy's name WAS "macaca".

There is no evidence that Allen KNEW what the guy's name was, or that his staff hadn't used the name "mohawk" and Allen vaguely remembered it.

Allen didn't say "that macaca over there", he said it was the guy's name.

BTW, Allen should apologize for getting the guy's name wrong. He should even send him an autographed picture of Allen made out to the guy's real name, now that he knows what it is.

BTW, if "macaca" was really considered a racial epithet in the REAL america, everybody wouldn't be repeating it while lashing out at Allen for it.

I think that's a really good way to tell when people are manufacturing an issue -- you think anybody would be spelling out the "n"-word?

Yes, Charles, it's all just a coincidence. And lots of people say "macaca" when they mean "mohawk".

Mason Conservative,

I guess using curse words is more appropriate on the floor of the United States Senate.

Charles, could you be a little more obvious?

Anyone else wonder why the conservative blogs are silent on this? Are they still waiting on the Allen Talking Points before they post?

KCinDC,

My point about the Hillary gas station thing was that there was no question at all what was meant by her comment. Allen's comment, in my mind, requires some stretching to make it to Hillary's level. Maybe Allen did mean it is a slur, maybe he didn't. I think Charles' point about Allen using the term in the place of the young man's name rather than as a descriptive noun is valid, leaving some question in my mind about Allen's intent.

Also, this Allen quote is supposed to tank any presidential aspirations, but I can't remember anyone saying the same after Hillary said her piece.

Wait, when did I become a US Senator? That would be sweet, maybe I could get comped at Crystal City Restraunt :-D (I've only head of the place >wink<)

Anyways, who swore on the floor of the senate, Allen? Never head that one before.

But good comeback to my points, YMML. You got me.

PREACH ON CHARLES. You laid the SMACKDOWN on the minimum wage fight. Dems like this crowd here don't care about the minimum wage, they jsut care about the issues. The GOP gave Dems chance after chance after chance to vote for it, but they want the issue. The only problem is the GOP isn't getting that message out. All they can do is try and manufacture fake scandals like this to win.

BTW, the mother's information is back, and looking at the history of "older" vs "newer" edits, it looks like it was a webbforsenate edit that removed it, although I'm not positive.

It would make sense that, if you were stirring up a fake controversy, pretending Allen's people were deleting the reference would play into that.

I see no evidence that it was Allen's people deleting the reference, which has now been put back.

"Anyone else wonder why the conservative blogs are silent on this? Are they still waiting on the Allen Talking Points before they post?"

I should have mine faxed to me by the morning, I'll make sure I have it up for your reading enjoyment.

I was actually referring to when Dick Cheney told Jim Leahy to "Go fuck yourself."

As for the minimum wage thing - Dems don't want the issue, they want a straight up or down vote. Combining the estate tax cut with the minimum wage is cheap politics by trying to make Democrats swallow one issue they don't like for one they do. They deserve seperate votes.

I would like to say that I would gladly comp the "Junior Senator" from Virginia, Mason Conservative, to CCR. But seriously, this does show how much people will scream racism when you have a (R) next to your name. Why hasn't Robert Byrd (D,WVA) been run out of the Democratic Party on a rail? Its that big D next to his name and the fact that he is the King of Pork.

As for silent conservative blogs, check mine out. I have made some comments.

And once again, anonymous comments prove how much of a coward you are and how little you believe in what you say.

"Now your ignorance is scaring me,

Didn't you JUST read Charles's post? Since you probably didn't let me repost it for you.

"Allen voted for a straight-up minimum wage bill, coupled with several other critical tax cuts supported by democrats, and a modified death tax that put the tax BACK IN PLACE for the richest americans, just like the democrats say that they want."

Thank you BDM, I might take you up on that offer. After all, you OWE me. :-D

Charles is RIGHT ON.

Allen used a bigoted term that he learned from his French mother. Insults in AMERICAN are the only ones that count (in Charles's neighborhood).

Just imagine a president using this derogatory term. Great way to win friends and allies.

Allen is a disaster as a Senator and a disaster of a presidential candidate. Just how unreformed is Virginia? And just how stupid is the electorate? Are we voting for the best legislator circa 1952, or the best legislator circa 2006?

Now that we are an empire--the criteria has changed. The standards of leadership have too.

Let's not take our eye off the ball here folks. George Allen lashed out at a member of Jim Webb's staff with his words. If you think Allen was not trying to be demeaning towards Mr. Sidarth, listen to his voice when he says "whatever his name is" and dismisses him with a wave of his hand. He then goes on to tell someone who looks of Indian descent "welcome to America."

Further, Allen's campaign manager tried to dismiss it by saying he was attempting to reference his hair cut and making a joke out of it. Well, if he was attempting to do so, why didn't he say "that guy w/ the funny haircut over there. He works for the Webb campaign..."


What in all of this is not derisive, insensitive, arroagant and unbecoming of a United States Senator? Instead of trying to explain away the comments as irrelevant, etc., why not do what TC did here. Tell George Allen he crossed the line and call on him to apologize.

Wait, did JPTERP just call all us Allen supporters people who supported Harry Byrd (a DEMOCRAT, btw) and massive resistance? I'm offended. I DEMAND YOU RESIGN FROM THIS THREAD!

You don't want Allen to apologize, because if he does this goes away.

G. Allen has proven himself to be a racist and a liar.

Vlajos,

Chances are you already believed that.

Wow, a couple things here.

1. We found a new thing to hate the French for: swear words.

2. JPTERP doesn't seem to realize that we are an empire thanks to economics. When a McDonald's can open up in Red Square, we are kicking ass and taking names without firing a bullet.

3. Webb is probably jumping for joy if he reads these threads and sees how the internet folks get their undies tied into knots over a stupid issue like this.

I don't believe Allen was trying to say "Mohawk".

If Wadham is to be believed, and frankly you have to be pretty stupid to believe anything campaign managers say, it was the STAFF that called the kid "mohawk", and it could well be that Allen misremembered what they called him, and thought it was his actual name, and realised he didn't really know the name so he said "or whatever his name is".

Lest anybody miss the misdirection in another post, I completely dismiss the idea that Allen's mother was a racist, I was just pointing out that the democrats were calling her a racist implicitly through their arguments. Nice to see at least one person here admitted it publicly.

Of course, my comments said NOTHING about insults having to be in english to be real, but that goes back to the whole democrats not being concerned with the truth thing.

I blogged the controversy from the angle people were ignoring, since I like to advance the discussion and until Allen is asked directly about this nobody will have anything new and useful to say.

http://twoconservatives.blogspot.com/2006/08/democrats-attack-allens-mother.html

Here's something I think may be overlooked. For argument's sake, let's say the remark was in no way racist.

But why is Allen mocking the kid in the first place? I know that by the kid he's mostly mocking Webb, but one of Allen's real secrets to success has been his sunny temperment. No matter what stance he takes, he does so with a smile and a handshake and an 'aww shucks' demeanor. Regardless of if you think he acts genuine or that he acts sleazy, he puts on a very positive, non-threatening vibe.

I talked with two fellow college kids today, one D and one R. They were both equally suprised that Allen would said this, not necessarily because it sounded that racist, but because it was so out of character for Allen.

What does Allen singling out this kid and going on the attack about Webb say? If Allen was in the comfortable position some R's think he was, he could win this election without ever mentioning Webb's name. I think he knows that if Webb gets close, all bets are off with this political climate. He's going for the quick knockout punch, because he knows if Webb hangs around he could be in big trouble.

Does anyone remember the 80's? Sidarth's hair even being remotely compared to a mohawk is so funny - it just makes their response all the more a lie and coverup.
They must reeallly think their constituents are dumb.

But why is Allen mocking the kid in the first place?

Because he is racist - and Sidarth was the only person "of color" there, and he probably wanted to distance himself from him. The racist phony cowboy that he is. Hitch em up and get the hell out of town Mr. 97%.

Mason Conservative just sounds silly defending this crap. He's posted half a dozen times in the last hour alone, each post more desperate and pathetic than the last. At least the Chad Dotson's of the world know better than to try and defend this stuff.

One more note about this that I don't think anyone has covered and then I'm off to watch the West Wing:

This remark only matters because it fits into the opposition's caricature of Allen. Allen did some questionable things on race in the past; this does not make him a racist, but it raises eyebrows. When he does something similar, the other side says "SEE! I TOLD YOU SO!"

We saw them same thing happen with Webb's Craney Island gaffe. The other side is painting Webb as too inexperienced and not qualified to be Senator, so not knowing where Craney Island is fits into that narrative.

This remark does not make Allen racist, and Craney Island does not make Webb unqualified; but they do give the other side the liberty to attack them for supposed weaknesses.

To compare this blatant racism to Craney Islans - which Allen has voted against funding roads for and isn't slated for completion should it get funding until something like 2015 - is so off base.
Not even apples and oranges.
More like apples to 10 ton trucks.

Wow...lots of comments to get through...

#1. I first met this young man last Spring. He has never had anything remotely similar to a Mohawk haircut.

#2. I suppose it is possible that the Allen people called him "Mohawk" anyway, to mock his "Indian" heritage. Ha-ha. They could have called him "chief" or "Tecumseh" as well, I suppose. But that's kind of nasty, too, isn't it?

#3. When did George get so mean and peevish? Regardless of the racial epithet, why mock a hapless intern--drawing attention to the fact that he is "different" from the rest of the all-white audience?

#4. Who the hell is George Allen to welcome anybody to Virginia? Siddarth was born right here in NoVA--sorry, it isn't "real" enough for you, George, but it's a helluva lot more "real Virginia" than California.

#5. Someone in the last thread--Slim?--mentioned Allen's heritage as being Scots-Irish-German. That isn't completely true. Allen is not, as it happens their true family name. The family originated in Eastern Europe; and the grandfather, I believe, changed it to something less foreign and more pronouncable. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course, but coupled with the allegedly America-bashing French-Tunisian mother, you have to wonder at how and for what reason George works so hard at being the good ol' Confederate-loving boy.

Welcome to America, George!

LAS:

Chad Dotson on another thread here at NLS weighed in and said that he HAS met the guy and he DID have a Mohawk and people did call him the Mohawk Guy.

Chad has a reputation for integrity that should put to rest this "the guy didn't have a mohawk and nobody called him the mohawk guy" stuff.

Also, the "indian" heritage here is INDIAN, not native american. Nobody thinks the guy looks like a native american, so your quips about "mohawk" being a derisive term mocking a native american are out of place.

And George isn't the one that drew attention to the guy's race, it was the guy himself, and all the democrats screaming about this. Allen said NOTHING about his race, just his shirt color and that the guy was from the Webb campaign and was videotaping so that Webb would be able to see parts of Virginia he was missing while he was out in Hollywood.

It is clear why Allen pointed him out -- to make a jab at Webb for being out of touch with real america, and with real virginia, being out getting money from liberals in hollywood and having to send an campaign staffer to videotape meetings Allen was having with real virginians.

Even the people in the Post who said Allen would be hurt by this said it was clear his comment about America was about Webb's campaign being out of touch with Virginia, not about the guy not being an American.

NLS,

Way back up aways I made a snippy comment about your use of the term "Oh My God".

I apologize. I know that you weren't using the term religiously, and while some people are offended by offhand use of God, I wasn't really offended by it and my post added nothing to the conversation.

WHY DONT YOU ALL SHUT THE HELL UP. MR. ALLEN WAS RIGHT ON POINT.HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,.....,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

James Webb: More Than Senator Macaca’s Opponent
By Janar Joseph Wasito

James Webb is more than Senator George “Macaca” Allen’s opponent. At a now infamous campaign stop in Virginia, Senator George Allen twice addressed S.R. Siddarth as “macaca” and welcomed him to Virginia and America, even though Siddarth is an American citizen and a native Virginian. Siddarth could rightly say, “Welcome to Virgnia, Senator.”

Macaca refers to a genus of monkey and is a racial slur in the same European cultures in which Senator Allen’s mother was raised.

By contrast, James Webb’s book, Born Fighting: How the Scots-Irish Shaped America, discusses how Scots-Irish culture embraces members of other ethnic groups. The following passages are from page 38:

The “Celtic tie of kinship”… helps explain why such a high percentage of American combat units in today’s volunteer military are from Scots-Irish and Irish Catholic backgrounds. From the earliest known history of the Celts, military service was viewed not simply as an obligation, but as a high honor. Fighting for – and alongside – the tribal leader … or, as now, one’s branch of military service brought one into the family. And at this level – the willingness to face danger collectively – every family member was equal regardless of rank or wealth.
Another aspect of this notion of extended kinship is that it tended to embrace members of other ethnic groups rather than to demean them. …in the Celtic societies, if one stepped forward to serve, he was ‘of the kin’ so long as he accepted the values and mores of the extended family.

I identify with Webb’s description of the “Celtic tie of kinship” based upon military service for personal reasons. My father is Indonesian and my mother is German, but I was born in San Francisco. My father left when I was 4, and my Godparents, a Retired Air Force Colonel and his wife, helped my mother to raise my sister and me. From my Godparents, I learned to admire the military. I applied for the US Naval Academy while I was in high school. I read James Webb’s novel, A Sense of Honor. Though I did not attend the Naval Academy, I did follow Webb’s example in boxing in college, in serving in the US Marine Corps, and in attending law school after my military service. I wrote my college senior thesis on another of James Webb’s books, Fields of Fire. I’ve read his other 4 novels, and his non-fiction book, Born Fighting. Born Fighting describes the Scots-Irish culture of the Jesuit College Prep which I attended (I had a Murphy as a teacher or coach in 7 of 8 semesters), and it describes the culture of the US Marine Corps.

I don’t really think of myself as a “person of color.” But I am half Indonesian and I have a darker complexion than the majority of Caucasians. Personally, I took great offense to Senator Allen’s “macaca” comments. I felt bad for the Country and for Virginia, where I spent a total of a year between 1988 and 1992 when I was going through Marine Officer training. According to Goldman Sachs, the so-called BRICs (Brazil, Russia, India, China) are the rapidly growing countries which will shape the coming decades. In such a future, George Allen simply has no place as a leader in America.

At another point in his now infamous comments, Senator Allen states that Jim Webb is “with a bunch of Hollywood movie moguls… we care about fact not fiction.”

This reference to “Hollywood Movie Moguls” plays on a stereotype of left leaning, liberal, Hollywood movie producers. However, if we take a close look at the one movie that Jim Webb wrote and produced, we find that it contains many factual warnings of the challenges the country would face in 9-11 and beyond.

James Webb was the co-producer and writer of the screenplay for Rules of Engagement, starring Samuel Jackson and Tommy Lee Jones. In that movie, a Marine Expeditionary Unit reinforces an American Embassy in Yemen, which is near Iraq and Saudi Arabia, under attack from a hostile Islamic crowd. The Marines fire into a crowd which had been firing weapons at the Marines. Although the videotape evidence of the weapons in the crowd has been destroyed by corrupt policy makers, the defense attorney does find audio tape evidence which he presents at the trial. The audio tapes contain recordings of Osama Bin Laden inciting Muslims to anti-American violence. In the commentary by the director of the film, we learn that the tape is an actual recording by Osama Bin Laden. The defense attorney finds the Bin Laden tapes in the ruined American embassy, in the police station, and in the hospital where the injured are being treated.

The movie was released in 2000, a year before 9/11.

So much for Senator Allen’s attack on James Webb as consorting with “Hollywood movie moguls” who are out of touch with fact.

James Webb’s novels, his screen play for Rules of Engagement, his Emmy Award winning reporting from Beirut just weeks before Hezbollah killed 242 Marines, his article on Marines in Afghanistan – all together show that Webb has a detailed grasp of national security issues far beyond that of Senator Allen. In an age where an action by a Marine junior officer or non commissioned officer can have immediate, global consequences, we need elected officials like James Webb, who never forgot his roots as a highly decorated junior officer in the Marine Corps. During the same period in his life, George Allen declined to serve in uniform.

Senator Allen’s campaign will try to paint James Webb as a liberal who is aligned with Senator’s Clinton and Kerry. While this may be accurate with respect to some domestic issues, on foreign policy issues, Webb is closer to President Bush – George H.W. Bush. In September 2002, Webb wrote a criticism of the pending invasion of Iraq which was very similar to criticisms made by Brent Scowcroft, the National Security Adviser to President George H. W. Bush, and by Colin Powell, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs under President George H. W. Bush. In this regard, James Webb, who served as Ronald Reagan’s Secretary of the Navy, should be classified as a foreign policy realist. As Webb told Inside the Navy in January 2003, "I am not against fighting when fighting is necessary… What I am for is making sure you are fighting the right war."


Janar Joseph Wasito is a former Marine Officer who lives in San Diego, California.
Email: janarw@gmail.com

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