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October 12, 2006

Stu Ostro  
HISTORIC SNOWFALL FOR THE NIAGARA FRONTIER
Stu Ostro, Senior Meteorologist

That's the title of a special weather statement issued by the Buffalo office of the National Weather Service this evening, and here is the technical discussion from earlier which gives the background for the lake-effect snow warning that they correctly issued this afternoon in the midst of a tricky meteorological situation. The details of the lake-atmosphere setup, as they note in the discussion, are virtually unprecedented in the known record; this is the earliest in the autumn they've ever issued such a warning!

Tom Niziol, who wrote this evening's statement and is the meteorologist-in-charge of that office, and the staff there really know their lake-effect stuff, and although they're very experienced with the phenomenon and have seen some real doozies, such as the epic December 2001 snow blitz, I'm sure this is one they'll be talking about for awhile!

The current bizarre weather pattern brought tropical moisture surging all the way to Alaska and has now resulted in an equally anomalous (for this early in the season) wintry blast down into the lower 48, with a number of locations near the Great Lakes receiving their record earliest accumulation of snow.

The term "lake-effect" refers to precipitation which occurs when cold air passes over relatively warm water, and the water adds heat and moisture to the lower atmosphere.

A distinguishing characteristic of lake-effect precipitation is that it would not occur without the presence of the lake over which the air is passing. Precipitation that would be falling anyway but is enhanced is called, well, you guessed it: "lake-enhanced."

The bodies of water most known for the phenomenon are the Great Lakes, but it can occur downwind of other lakes such as the Great Salt Lake in Utah. "Bay-effect" and "ocean-effect" snow can occur by the same process, and precipitation induced or enhanced by bodies of water is not limited to the U.S.

Lake-effect precipitation can be in the form of rain, but is most commonly associated with snow, which can take the form of extremely intense squalls (even thundersnow like tonight). Although it is typically "showery" in nature rather than having the broad shields of steady precipitation associated with other winter storms, when a band is persistent over the same location the snow in that localized area can be steady and heavy, and the accumulations can really add up.

This event is notable because it's so early in the season, the lake water is so warm, the snow is so wet and heavy (not only in intensity but also in weight), and the leaves are still on the trees. If you're in the Buffalo area and your power is not out, post a comment and let us know what it's like there ... ditto for anyone else in the Great Lakes region who had snow!


UPDATE FRIDAY 5PM ET: Well, this is one Friday the 13th that won't soon be forgotten in Buffalo! After posting my entry last night, what was shown on that radar image above just kept going and going and going, and things got out of hand. No matter what the situation, one key requirement for extreme lake-effect accumulations is that the squall band must persist sufficiently long in the same location.

Thank goodness we won't have multiple days of multiple feet of snow falling like what led to the 81.6 inches in late December 2001, but what fell so far this time -- including the official 22.6" at the airport -- has been enough to create havoc because of the heavy, wet nature of the snow rather than the drier, fluffier kind usually seen with winter lake-effect events, and the fact that leaves were still on the trees.

Dr. Forbes did some calculations, and for a more typical December lake-effect snowstorm with a 25:1 snow-to-liquid-equivalent ratio, 22.6 inches of snow would weigh 4.7 pounds per square foot.

However, for relatively wet lake-effect snow like during this event, which had approximately a 10" snow to 1" liquid ratio, 22.6 inches of wet snow weighs 11.75 pounds per square foot!

Also in regard to the 22.6", that's no slouch, even by Buffalo standards: per the graphic below, which contains info dug up by Tom Moore, TWC's resident lake-effect guru, it's Buffalo's 6th greatest 24-hour accumulation on record.

And quite a legacy is left: it truly is as if a hurricane swept through and blew slews of trees down, or to use a winter precipitation analogy, the impacts from this event are more typical of a severe ice storm. As evidenced by some of the comments posted below, it's nothing short of a disaster.



UPDATE SATURDAY 1PM ET: It's been quite a couple of days in the Buffalo area, and as Jim Cantore reported live from Amherst this morning, the recovery is proceeding but it's a challenge due to all the trees down and ongoing power outages. From the latest Buffalo Storm Update on the National Grid website: "Field assessment reports from across the region are confirming that our network has experienced a level of damage that is unprecedented for Western New York."

Even shoveling the snow is not easy because of the weight of it.

Speaking of which, with all the climatological data and observations in, as best as I can tell the ratio of snow to liquid equivalent for the Buffalo snowstorm was closer to 12:1 than 10:1, but that's still 9.8 pounds per square foot, which is a lot of weight per unit area and much more than for a dry powdery snow with a 25:1 ratio!

More than half the snow -- a foot -- fell in a four-hour period from 1am - 5am on Friday, with 8" falling in two hours between 2am and 4am.

And this excerpt from the observation just before 3am Friday is one to remember:

KBUF 130653Z 00000KT SNINCR 4/14 1/4SM +TSSN FQT LTG

Translation: 2:53am ET, winds totally calm, snow increased 4" in the past hour for a total of 14", 1/4 statute mile visibility in heavy thundersnow, with frequent lightning!


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Comments on This Entry (49)

It's been a questionable year for the Niagara Frontier. There was a tornado, a funnel cloud, a waterspout, the snowstorm, a heatwave this summer...
Posted by R.L. | December 28, 2006

It seems like the lake effect snow season is lasting longer than usual in the last few years because the Great lakes don't freexe over until later in the winter than before. With El Nino in place, the lake effect snow season should last until well into the winter season. There are two reasons for this, El Nino will keep temperatures well above normal thus keeping the Great Lakes ice free and El Nino will be wetter causing more snow. We will have to see if this pans out.
Posted by Michael Amato | October 15, 2006

I think the most amazing, yet most ominous sight are the sounds and sights of a transformer popping and cracking, fires resulting in this event, compounded by the lightning and thunder, the wind, the snapping of tree limbs, all happening together in the night. This was the scene across Buffalo on the night of October 12.
Posted by Frank DiLeo | October 14, 2006

Well, it's Saturday evening and I packed up my young kids and headed over to my in-laws (the inside house temp hit 55)and they have power. I live in Buffalo right off Elmwood Avenue. Delaware Ave. and streets with beautiful historic mansions and tons of trees over 100 years old are completely littered with trunks, limbs and wires. If this happened a few weeks from now ( most of the leaves would have already fallen)it would have been no big deal.

Buffalo,as everyone knows....knows what to do when it snows. So this would explain that even though it was coming down very hard at 5pm. I decided to get a sitter and go shopping. Honestly, it wasn't bad...until the power went out. Thunder lightning snowstorms are the most bizarre errie beautiful things to experience.It's dead quiet...almost serene since everyone is inside..you hear the light sound of the snow/hail/rain falling then the loud crack of bright lightning and rumble of thunder and then the loud cracking of tree limbs breaking left and right.
The one thing that everyone needs to know about Buffalo is that whenever a storm or a blizzard hits this area, the people are amazing and REALLY come together. Everyone lends a helping hand and if you do get stuck...there's always someplace that will welcome you in and hand you a drink and treat you like an old friend.
Posted by Anonymous | October 14, 2006

I live in Orchard Park and my power just came back on after 40 hours. I'm an avid gardener and plant collector, and it's very sad to see every single deciduous tree on my 2 1/2 acre property either badly broken or gone altogether. But my house is in one piece (although not my garage!), my vehicles survived (except the tractor!) and most importantly... my family is safe. Bring it on, Buffalo! We can take it!
Posted by Diane Clark | October 14, 2006

I had to get out of Buffalo today because it was much too depressing...currently I am look at clear skies and absolutely no snow!
Posted by Skullo | October 14, 2006

I come from a tropical country & live in maryland(its a bea...utiful sunny day here-60F) so I cant say I understand what you guys are going through but i got my share of the snowstorm when someone special
i have been waiting to meet for 5months got stranded in Buffalo since yesterday morning, trying to come and see me. He called me an hour ago & said he was heading back to Toronto tomorrow because there was no way he was going to make it down here through the 22. something inches of snow. I fought hard to stop the tears...& I pray that you all make it through because I understand its not just a matter of adjusting but persevering.
Posted by Juliet | October 14, 2006

I live in Hamburg, a town aout 1/2hour south of Buffalo, but I work in the city. The devastation of trees, and lines down is awful. As Buffalonians though we are strong. It is not the first time crazy things have happened here!
I just want to say thanks to all the employees that made it to work to make the rest of our lives a little easier. Our Wilson Farms, Wegmans and Tim Hortons all open so we could get what we needed! Many thanks to all the utility employees working hard, around the clock to get us up and running as a city again. They don't call Buffalo the "City of Good Neighbors "for nothing. Go Sabres!
Posted by Anonymous | October 14, 2006

It's unreal what happened locally. I read one report that mentioned scores of trees being downed. Make that hundreds of trees in Buffalo and the suburbs. It seems just about every neighborhood looks like a major disaster area with trees a hundred years old or more being split down the middle. Cars, trucks, garages, houses with trees being downed on top of them. My son and I had to dig out my Grand Caravan from under 18" of wet snow and a tree that was split down the middle. I was a fortunate one. Almost no damge to the van. Most people weren't so lucky. Took us two hours to dig it out and dig out a place to put it away from the trees.
Went walking down a side street and saw a pine tree that looked like it was in prime condition about 20' tall bent completely over under the weight of the wet snow with out breaking....yet!
Posted by Phil Foresta | October 14, 2006

To all of you who are going through human struggles that many non-Buffalonians don't understand....keep up the good fight. To the woman in New Jersey who use to live in Syracuse..why not check this mess out and then tell us to adjust.
Posted by Jeffrey Leclerc | October 14, 2006

I work at Women's and Children's Hospital of Buffalo. So much of our caring staff was unable to come into work, that we had staff stayin 16-24 hours. Thankfully we did not lose power in the hospital. Several of my co-workers had to get around live fallen wires in order to make it here. We even had the security staff venturing out to pick people up that were unable to use their own vehicles. I thank god that I work with such wonderful caring people.
Posted by Carla R. Hall | October 14, 2006

I'm orginally from Fredonia, NY in chautauqua county were these LES are normal but i just moved up to Amherst since collge for work i have to say this is a first in my 23 years on this earth lol. this has been crazy my father has been with NYS DOT for over 25 yrs. he says this is in the top 3 of storms he has seen. yes this Buffalo we can handle this. But this is something we have never seen before. leaves on trees. heavy wet snow. we will move along....WE ARE BUFFALO, NY!!!


ps...to the people that say we freak out over a few inches, i beg to differ...take a CAT 1 or 2 hurricane and compare the dmg.....i bless the people of the gulf coast, but i beg to differ.....
Posted by Rich | October 14, 2006

I live in West Seneca, which is south of Buffalo, about 15 min. from the city. I went through the Blizzard of 76 and this is not at all like it. This is a freak storm, which has caused alot of tree damage. There are about 10 houses on my street that have power, we are one of them, thankfully! We have about 10 in. of snow, it's the downed tree limbs and branches that are causing havoc on our street. Believe me, the lake effect snow we can handle, now with temperatures on the rise the snow is melting and will cause flooding, I think we all worry about that more!
Posted by Gayle | October 14, 2006

Wow, this storm was the one I will never forget. I had been living in Watertown for years and I know how it can actually impact these lake-effect prone areas. Just that it was amazing to see how this rare October's snow event. I have been through some events in the past such as the Ice Storm '91 and '98 in Watertown - Blizzard of '93 - Flooding '93 - Microburst '97 - and much more. I am a meteorology major at SUNY Brockport. I have been comparing these two lakes in the past few years based on the intensity, configuration, and duration of Lake snows in Oswego and Buffalo. I hope this rare October storm will never happen again. God bless you, Buffalo people there.
Posted by John Nimmo | October 13, 2006

I was born and raised in WNY. Since 1998, I've been living south of the Mason-Dixon Line. I married a Dixie Girl who wants nothing to do with the snow. Sometimes I think it's a shame because there's something to be said about the pretty white stuff.

If there were certain things in place like good jobs and a government that ran things like a business, then maybe I would come back. There's much to be said about western New Yorkers and their heartiness in the face of severe weather. I'll take a snowstorm over earthquakes and hurricanes anyday.
Posted by HockeyGuy2k6 | October 13, 2006

Although I love Buffalo I only want to see snow through my reat view mirror. As I look outside in Grren Valley, Arizona today it was mid 80's and sunny. Why do I miss Buffalo???
Posted by Paul Griffin | October 13, 2006

I was raised in Buffalo. I now live in Columbus, Georgia. I do miss the adventure of recovering from such storms. I call my family that stills live there to tease them when I learn that a storm is about to hit. I would be on the back patio talking to them , while it is snowing there and sunshining here. They usually hang up on me after a few minutes. All in great fun.
Posted by willean | October 13, 2006

The event in Buffalo is both unfortunate and untypical. Yet despite this anyone who believes this is a result of global warming should think about enrolling themselves in an elementary earth science class. I have a comprehensive book on abnormal weather events that took place between 1630 and 1900, within New England. These events varied from an F4 tornado that traveled a distance of over 50 miles through Vermont and into New Hampshire - yes both VT and NH - to a 36 hour blizzard that dumped between 12 and 15 ft throughout northern Massachusetts! Needless to say these events and many others like them occured long before the internal combustion engine was even part of our vocabulary.
Posted by vtforester | October 13, 2006

I'm up in college in Buffalo - it started snowing lightly, and just got heavier. It's hard to believe that so early in the season everyone is huddled up inside drinking cocoa - we didn't even have an Autumn! The dorm I'm living in is fortunately running on a generator, and some friends of my housemates are staying overnight, because they don't have power.

This will definitely be an interesting way to remember my freshman year of college.
Posted by Stephanie | October 13, 2006

We operated restaurants in Western N.Y. and the blizzard of 76, will not be forgotten. We kept out sign on during the blizzard,so stranded people on the Youngmen Highway could take shelter at our restaurant. We had approximinately eighteen people, that made their way to us. My son, and daughter distributed tablecloths, for warmth, during the night, and my son cooked for everyone. We had electricity, so the jukebox was going non stop, and everyone had their story, as to where they became stranded on the highway. Those people came back year after year on the anniversary of that blizzard, as it made such an impression on them. We are now living in San Diego,and the weather is beautiful here, but my family and my heart is in Buffalo. I recently heard that the entire plaza at Colvin and Eggert where we were located, has been demolished. That is sad! God Bless the beautiful, friendly people of Buffalo, Kenmore, and the Tonawanda's Helen C.
Posted by Helen C | October 13, 2006

Left Buffalo 2.5 months ago for Atlanta, Georgia, although it is still sunny and warm here, we have heard from family members who are having to deal with this snow event. Family and friends tell us how wet and heavy the snow is and that they have no power and may not have power until next Tuesday. Family and friends are putting food, etc. in coolers in the snow to keep it cold. Some are even driving to Elmira to get a generator. We have family and friends whose basements are flooded because of no sump pump operation. Some have been up since 4am trying to keep up with the water and unfortunately losing the battle. Most have said they have had to spend several hours digging out their cars and driveways only to have a plow block the end of the driveway.

Buffalo friends...we will say a prayer! Stay warm and we will try to push some Atlanta sunshine and warmth your way to melt the snow!
Posted by Stacey | October 13, 2006

I've been a soldier in Fort Drum, NY for almost four years. I've been deployed a lot, so I've missed three winters so far, and when I was here in 2005, it wasn't as bad as my buddies' past horror stories about the North Country. But for those in Buffalo right now, I feel for you.
Posted by Anonymous | October 13, 2006

Hi Stu,
Thanks a lot for showing us the map.
Wow it's either snowy and cold or just plain windy and cold
Even Thunder Bay got a lot too
Wow Buffalo got it bad and Amtrak cancelled trains through the area and planes are no better off
Next on travelwise
Too Early!!!!!!
Posted by Brian Boehlert | October 13, 2006

I'm a student at the University of Buffalo. The dorms on the North Campus still have power. I actually live off campus but came to stay with friends when my power went out around 6 pm on thurs. I just went back to pick of some clothes and stuff from my appartment and I am in shock! I cannot belaice the amount of damage out there! Almost all the trees have damage of some kind and I don't think I saw anything with power other then the grocary store that I stopped at. We definately have about 2 feet of snow. I really can't believe that as of yesterday(thursday) morning there wasnt any significant amount of snow expected!Again I just can't believe the damage to the trees and all the powerlines down. I definately understand why they won't get power back to everyone until next week.
Posted by Katie | October 13, 2006

I have lived in Buffalo for nearly 49 years. Suffice to say, I've shoveled my way thru many winters, and now understand the various nuances of a push shovel, blade shovel, roof rake, ice chopper, 2-stage snowblower, winter wiperblades, and the like. Yes, us Buffalonian's are usually well prepared for winter storms. And so is our attitudes. For instance, when I started to venture out this morning to start the snowblower brigade, my neighbor said "it looks like we'll be dressed as snowmen this year for Halloween". That's all. No complaining. Deal with it the best you can, and then when you're thru, you go to your neighbors house, check on them, and help them shovel too! This is our attitude! Social fabric and the type of individuals make Buffalo a truly great city. I travel throughout the U.S. with work, and I often am faced with questions from "outsiders" asking me "why do I live in Buffalo"? That's easy to answer...Hard working, strong work ethic, integrity, salt of the earth people for starters. Not to mention Buffalo having four (4) unique seasons to enjoy. Plus non-stop festivals, diverse culture, great architecture, a stone throw to Canada, etc., etc. So, when you see all of this talk about "the weather"... where you call home is much more than that. It explains why so many ex-patriots of Buffalo are now seeing all that they miss, and ARE returning back to this great city of ours. Now, if you'll excuse me,...I have to feed my snowblower
Posted by Bob Wilson | October 13, 2006

The weekend we moved from Buffalo to Albany (Oct. 3, 1987)Albany got socked with a snow storm. It took weeks from some folks to get their power back. Days after all the snow was gone people were still living with friends. Was it as much as what's happpening in Buff now? No. But when the trees still have their leaves, it's a whole different story. Buffalo knows how to handle a blizzard, but what just happened is going to set a new level of "how I survived the storm of "fill in the year". Good Luck, Folks!!
Posted by Betsy | October 13, 2006

Hey, Anonymous, the person who spoke about people panicking with an inch of snow was from Long Island, and they were referring to Long Islanders panicking over an inch of snow, not Buffalonians. I grew up in Lancaster, which I cannot reach by phone today, and now live outside Washington, DC, where panic reigns at the mention of word "snow". I know the folks up in the Buffalo area will pull together and get each other through this. Sounds pretty rough up there; I'm concerned for my elderly parents who have a lot of trees on their property.
Posted by Chris | October 13, 2006

Parts of several Rochester suburbs in the southwestern part of Monroe County caught the outside edge of the storm. I live in Chili and we had about 2" on the ground this morning. Just 5 miles north of us, there was a trace of snow on the ground.
Posted by Karen | October 13, 2006

One month ago I left Buffalo for South Carolina
I remember 1977,1985,Halloween snow school being closed in April because of ice, but never this early, Thanksgiving be cancelled due to the weather, also at Easter when it was in March. But my family has a saying don't like the weather stick around 5 mintues it will change.
Posted by Anonymous | October 13, 2006

I live north of Buffalo and we only got a few inches of snow, but some places got around 3 feet of snow. The main problem is the fact that the leaves are still on the trees which caused 50% of the trees in Buffalo to come down or be heavily damaged because of the weight. There are about 380,000 people without power and there are places where the water is unsafe to drink. We are being told that power might not be on for up to a week in places. There are many power lines and transformers down which have also caused fires. Many streets are impassable because of huge downed trees across them. Now we are also being warned about flooding. We are used to snow here in Buffalo and we know how to handle it. This is unlike even a major lake effect snow, so the person from Syracuse don't know what they are talking about. Even though they might get more snow than Buffalo, for him to say that "We panic when we get an inch of snow, and we should just embrace it and adjust" obviously isn't here. We were just declared a state of emergency by the Governor who just flew over the area. Even he just said that this is the worst damage he�s seen in over 10 years!
Posted by Chris | October 13, 2006

Lived in Buffalo/Cheektowaga/Tonawanda my whole life. Until seven FEET of snow fell in three days one year, and then getting stuck in my car for 23 HOURS on the ride home from work, the next year.

Lack of good jobs, inept government, and high taxes made the decision to leave relatively easy.

But I miss my family/friends terribly, the wonderful social aspect of Buffalo, the integrity of it's people, it's REAL culture, and it's REAL architecture.

It doesn't snow much here, but everything is fake and it's very socially isolating. Hard to make genuine friends with stable, responsible people.

Somehow, I've lost more than just snow by leaving.

You will never see a summer more beautiful, or more community activities, than in Buffalo.
Posted by cathy | October 13, 2006

I just talked to my Dad, who happened to be visiting my grandmother. He lives in NC now and obviously did not prepare for this type of weather while packing. She lives in the city proper, and still has power/home phone/running water/gas - however, the lady directly across the street has no power. They are checking with the rest of the family in town. He said it looked like a war zone that a tornado has gone through. He also stated he can tell by looking there was a LOT more than the predicted 8" of snow, and although they do not have a precise measurement, he feels it is over a foot. Large tree limbs are down everywhere and leaning on already stressed power lines. The city has not yet even attempted to plow. Many neighbors will not be able to get out of the garages due to large limbs/small trees. Obviously the snow is very wet and none of them have ventured outside (hey, where would they go anyway?) Last night it was apparently snowing, raining, and lightning all at the same time (BIZARRE!) An interesting item to note is that when the last record October snowfall of 10/31/17 happened, my grandmother was only three weeks old. I now live an hour from the MS Gulf Coast, and experienced Katrina first hand - people seem to be in the same type of survival mode, with of course, snow and cold temps to contend with instead of blazing heat. I'm forever a Northerner and Buffalo still feels like home to me, even though I only lived there a few years.
Posted by Donna | October 13, 2006

I am in Syracuse, NY and it is a beautiful fall day here. It is about 50 and sunny. The leaves are still on the trees but have turned shades of yellow, red, green and orange. I know what storms like the one in Buffalo are like and noone handles it better than upstate New Yorkers!!
Posted by Rob Taggart | October 13, 2006

Never before has a lake effect snowstorm left so much damage in it's wake. This life-long Buffalo resident has been left in shock by the hurricanesque destruction that has occurred.
Posted by Robb | October 13, 2006

I live in orchard park, which is south of the city of buffalo. We have about 8 inches of snow and power. We are very lucky. Family members just a few miles away do not have power and are now dealing with flooding basements. Appears we will be the family meeting place if power remains out all around us. but that is buffalo, it will somehow turn into a party!!
Posted by Paula | October 13, 2006

I use to live in Syracuse for twenty years and oddly enough truly miss the lake effect snow. I moved just as we were about to break the record for the snowiest winter(2000-2001). I think we missed the mark by 1/2 inch.I now live in Long Island and laugh at how panicked people get when there is an inch of snow coming.You just embrace it and adjust.
Posted by An Marie | October 13, 2006

I was born and raised in Amherst NY, but moved away 3 years ago. I definitely remember the Millenium Blizzard the Monday before Thanksgiving, 2000, and seeing snow on Halloween before, but having a snow day in October is unheard of! Days like today, I'm VERY glad to be living in sunny southern california!
Posted by Anonymous | October 13, 2006

just spoke to my freshman son at the university of buffalo who lives on the south campus. class was canceled and there is a declared state of emergency as there is no power. how wisespread the outage he doesn't know as he hasn't left the dorm.
Posted by Anonymous | October 13, 2006

i live about 20 miles south of buffalo in what is called ski country. we have green grass and sunshine this shows how narrow a band of lake effect can be
Posted by Anonymous | October 13, 2006

I'm not sure I can take much more of this global warming.
Posted by Jim Compton | October 13, 2006

I am from Amherst, however I am at SUNY Cortland for school now. My father said they probably won't get power back until Monday or Tuesday. We had a huge willow tree fall in our backyard. Luckily, we have a generator for the the basement. My girlfriend there said her basement has begun to flood already.
Posted by Anonymous | October 13, 2006

Growing up in western new york with the snow was fun to us kids. Buffalo people are wonderful people. Also, living in NJ afterwards showed me what expert drivers WNY people were in snow! Having blue skies after the snow stopped was also a pleasure in WNY. (I think there was a totally imoblizing snow storm in NJ/NYC about 1984?)
Posted by Vicki Kess | October 13, 2006

Iwas born and raised in Buffalo New York i now live in Big Piney Wy. Ice Box of the nation.Very cold here but i don't miss the snow in Buffalo all my family still live their i go home once a year. I am glad not to be caught in the snow.
Posted by Bonnie Hood | October 13, 2006

My Mom & sister live in Amherst. Several large trees fell on the property during the night knocking out their power and damaging the house. They only have cell phone service and are trying to conserve the battery so we set up times when we can talk. Mom sounds very shaky-- and that's not like her-- she's lived there all her life through the worst blizzards. What's different this time is the number of trees faling all over due to the weight of the wet snow on the leaves.
Posted by Anonymous | October 13, 2006

The amazing thing about this storm isn't the snow, it is the damage from the laden trees. After 3 days, 2 feet of snow will just be a memory in Buffalo. The damaged infrastructure will be harder to recover from.
Posted by Anonymous | October 13, 2006

I am not from the buffalo area, but from Erie, Pa. I am glad the winds shifted and someone else received the snowfall we usually get. ahhh yes, a short relief from what appears to be a very snowy season for our area. Being just 85 miles west with no snow fall is incredible. Keep up the good work mother nature!
Posted by Anonymous | October 13, 2006

We live in Kenmore, NY and there is streets lined with broken tree limbs, and even trees! Electrical wires are starting small fires, and due to safety, they have to block off patches of major roads. A neighbor has been stuck on the NYS Truway since 1 am friday morning... it looks like we are fresh from a movie scene!
Posted by Katie | October 13, 2006

Last night was very odd. Having snow on October is odd, yes, but whats even stranger is the storm itself, not the day it falls on. All throughout last night there was thunder and lightening. One second you'd see blue flasses, another you'd see blue, then green. We didnt know if they were transformers blowing or what. Trees are down all over the place and thank god I moved my car out from under the tree because where my car was there is now a large limb. I live in a suburb of Buffalo (Orchard Park) but am currently stuck at my boyfriends house in Buffalo. My parents are back home, 30 minutes away and are without power. We are one of the lucky ones to still have it.

Gotta love Lake Erie.
Posted by Aimee W | October 13, 2006

Hi Stu,

My interest in lake-effect precip is on how it affects Great Lakes water levels. My focal area of study while at UW Madison (1974-1975) was on Great Lakes water levels.

My question is - how much of the moisture that falls as lake effect snow comes directly from the lakes?

The most recent Weekly Great Lakes Water Level Update from the Corps of Engineers Detroit District Office shows:

Oct 13, 2006

"Lake Superior�s water level is currently 11 inches lower than it was a year ago, while Lake Michigan-Huron is 1 inch below last year."

Recorded lake level data (1918-PRESENT)

Difference from recorded average Oct. levels:
SUPERIOR (-17 inches), MICH-HURON(-19 inches).

Diff. from recorded lowest Oct. mean levels:
SUPERIOR (0 inches), MICH-HURON (+11 inches).

http://www.lre.usace.army.mil/

Note, Lakes Michigan and Huron are considered a single lake, hydrologically.


There is great concern for how low the water levels on the Great Lakes will get in coming years and decades, especially due to concerns about the hydrologic effects of climate change on Great Lakes water levels.

To view my recent efforts dealing with climate change and hydrology please see:

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/patneuman2000/my_photos

Comments would be appreciated.


Posted by Pat Neuman | October 13, 2006

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