ST. PAUL -- Talk about counter-programming.

On the night that John McCain will accept the Republican presidential nomination in this city, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama will enter the "no-spin zone" on Fox.

Obama has agreed to appear Thursday on Bill O'Reilly's evening program, The O'Reilly Factor, for an exclusive question-and-answer session with the host.

Obama had boycotted the Fox New Channel during the primary season -- after the network's on-air person personalities savaged him and his campaign -- but a "truce" was worked out during a meeting between the candidate and Fox owner Rupert Murdoch.

Fox News Channel CEO Roger Ailes, a veteran Republican operative, says that Obama said in a behind-closed-doors meeting: "I just want to know if I'm going to get a fair shake from Fox News channel."

The candidate got some reassurances.

And now he's going on O'Reilly.

As it happens, O'Reilly, who has interviewed many prominent Democrats, including Obama's primary rival, New York Senator Hillary Clinton, tends to be soft on prominent players -- no matter what their politics.

The often bombastic host likes to keep the big players coming back to his show. And O'Reilly and Fox have made it clear, with announcements and on-air ads, that they are excited about the Obama interview.

At the top of "The O'Reilly Factor" website is an announcement that, on Thursday, "Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama enters the No Spin Zone for the first time ever! Don't miss this 'Factor' event!"

The Illinois senator's appearance is an event not just for O'Reilly but for Obama.

That the Democrat is doing so on the night McCain delivers his acceptance speech is smart politics. The interview will get noticed on a night that should belong to the Republican nominee.

In contrast to the media detente breaking out between Obama and Fox, Republican griping about the MSNBC cable network is escalating.

McCain's campaign manager Rick Davis has penned a letter to the president of NBC, MSNBC's parent network, in which he complains about what he describes as "irresponsible" coverage of the Republican campaign. And there is generalized anger at several of the broadcast and cable television networks for their hyping of the story about Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin's pregnant 17-year-old daughter.

Even Obama has gotten into the act.

"I have said this before and I will repeat again. I believe people's families are off limits," said the Democratic nominee. "People's children are especially off limits. This should not be part of our politics."

Comments (79)

1. Waaaaah!

   Posted by Balrog at 09/03/2008 @ 6:17pm

2. Great for O'Reilly....bagged the first black POTUS candidate....and great for Fox.....

   But really, who else gives a shit?

   Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/03/2008 @ 6:20pm

3. lvliberty-It's hysterical how you arrive at your conclusions about who loves or respects America.Belonging to or being associated with the AIP is okay and shows love of America,but going on this show doesn't.You live in extremist lala land.

   Posted by i'm nobody at 09/03/2008 @ 6:22pm

4. "So now Obama shows that he truly disrespects American traditions and America itself."

   No great irony coming from the country where slavery and Jim Crow were once part of the tradition.

   Posted by onthehelm at 09/03/2008 @ 6:24pm

5. After all the dirty tricks Rove and Company have pulled, to complain about Obama doing an interview is just...mind boggling.

   Posted by Balrog at 09/03/2008 @ 6:25pm

6. McCain honored this tradition in the case of Obama, but apparently this level of class is not something that appeals to Obama. And O'Reilly (whom many here know that I have no real respect for), is equally disrepectful. Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 6:02pm

   Hahahahahahahah. Yeah I am sure leaking that VP choice the day after he spoke wasn't meant to be in the lime light when it should have been about Obama. They specifically leaked the VP choice right after Obama spoke to make sure no one talked about Obama's speech.

   Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/03/2008 @ 6:26pm

7. They specifically leaked the VP choice right after Obama spoke to make sure no one talked about Obama's speech.

   Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/03/2008 @ 6:26pm

   And it didn't work. Their little trick has backfired into a huge shit-storm, and now they are stuck with a separatist hockeymom.

   Posted by Balrog at 09/03/2008 @ 6:28pm

8. Hahahahahahahah. Yeah I am sure leaking that VP choice the day after he spoke wasn't meant to be in the lime light when it should have been about Obama. They specifically leaked the VP choice right after Obama spoke to make sure no one talked about Obama's speech.

   Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/03/2008 @ 6:26pm

   You can't be serious? You equate the next day with the actual event?

   Maybe you can cite a previous example in our political tradition?

   Also, they did not leak it until about an hour before the actual campaign appearance.

   Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 6:41pm

9. Coup for Fox and its ratings...bad for McCain as Obama will steal his thunder, as he is a MUCH better speaker and far more eloquent and graceful than McCain.

   Posted by Metteyya at 09/03/2008 @ 6:49pm

10. Cry me a river, Liberty. Again, it's NOTHING compared to the stunts Rove and Atwater pulled in the past.

    Posted by Balrog at 09/03/2008 @ 6:51pm

11. So this guy O' Reilly, an alumnus of that paragon of objective vision, Inside Edition will interview Obama. Obama should start the interview by blasting him with a spitball.

    Posted by Sorelish at 09/03/2008 @ 6:55pm

12. Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 6:41pm

    Please we all know the purpose LVL. You are debating the grey area. If they really didn't want to disrupt the convention they would have waited till sunday to announce. It was meant to disrupt the press responding to Obama's speech. They were trying to take the press cycle away from Obama which is essentially the same thing, it's a disruption of the responses to the political speech. They are both playing the same game. You are just looking for something to hate him for today.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/03/2008 @ 7:05pm

13. THE REPUBLICAN PARTY'S OWN PEGGY NOONAN SAYS "ITS OVER"

    Who is Peggy Noonan? She is one of a handful of the nationally known conservative pundits who has brain, brawn experience, stature and respect.

    She is an author of seven books on politics, religion and culture, a weekly columnist for The Wall Street Journal, and was a primary speech writer and Special Assistant to President Ronald Reagan. She is considered a political conservative.

    Five of Noonan's books have been New York Times bestsellers. Noonan is a Trustee of the Manhattan Institute. She has been awarded honorary doctorates from Miami University, St. John Fisher College, her alma mater Fairleigh Dickinson University, Adelphi College, and Saint Francis College. She was nominated for Emmy Awards for her work on The West Wing and America: A Tribute to Heroes.

    Anyway, she was on an NBC segment with Mike Todd today, and after she was finished speaking, her microphone remained "hot" and she continued to speak with the other guest, Republican consultant Mike Murphy. As some of you may know, satellite feeds remain live, and since the microphone remained on, and was apparently recorded by someone, you can clearly hear the continued conversation. She trashes both McCain and Palin. Calls it "political bullsh*it." and laments that "its over." Very telling, as it is a very candid and intellectually honest, and it comes from a well respected conservative. The fact that it is her private thoughts, and not public spin makes it even more credible.

    Here is the link to the Yahoo story which contains a video of the broadcast and Noonan's after-broadcast comments. INCREDIBLE. PRICELESS You have to hear and see it to believe it.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200809 ... tico/20576

    So, to you conservative po

    Posted by bobforer at 09/03/2008 @ 7:13pm

14. This is something that could really backfire bigtime on Barry. The first question that O'reilly will asy will go something like this, "will you Barack Obama, condemn NBC and MSNBC for their personal, offensive attacks on Sarah Palin?" The next question should be, "What exactly is your relationship with Bill Ayers?" Next he can follow up wit this, "What executive decisions have you ever made/"

    O'reilly won't pull any punches and he sure as hell won't let Barry spin anything. It should be interesting.

    Posted by frankgrits at 09/03/2008 @ 7:15pm

15. The "tradition" of steering clear of convention time isn't to respect the other candidate. It's because you don't waste your campaign efforts when the camera is focussed elsewhere. It isn't respect...it's about competition for airtime. The only REAL election tradition is that you don't schedule any interviews, photo ops, or appearances where there is likely to be dead air.

    In this case, however, if FOX puts the camera on Obama instead of McCain, then Barack has successfully stolen a degree of thunder.

    Kind of like McCain trying to give a speech in New Orleans on the night that Barack clinched his nomination in front of thousands of supporters. Only in that case, McCain's speech was a THUD.

    Posted by markjsr at 09/03/2008 @ 7:15pm

16. "Since the advent of the television age, rival candidates have honored their rivals by staying out of the limelight during the opponents convention;"

    You mean like not announcing your VP selection on the night of your opponents speech...

    Posted by oestell at 09/03/2008 @ 7:23pm

17. Barry going to be in for a big surprise. This isn't Keith Olbermann or Chris Matthews who will be asking the questions.

    Posted by frankgrits at 09/03/2008 @ 7:23pm

18. "O'reilly won't pull any punches..."

    Posted by frankgrits at 09/03/2008 @ 7:15pm

    I disagree.

    The best predictor for future behavior is past behavior.

    He has consistently in the past treated his VIP guests with kid gloves, and been very respectful.

    Why? He wants them back.

    ratings ratings ratings

    money money money

    Posted by Benchrest at 09/03/2008 @ 7:25pm

19. Markjsr, brilliant observation. You just trumped every damned poster before you. Bravo. Well done.

    Posted by bobforer at 09/03/2008 @ 7:26pm

20. Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 6:02pm

    ROFLMAO!

    So if you don't give McCain his limelight....you "disrespect America"!

    Seriously demented, dude....keep it up. You make Stephen Colbert look like an amateur at it...and YOU mean it!

    LOL

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 7:34pm

21. You can't be serious? You equate the next day with the actual event?

    Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 6:41pm

    You can't be serious? You equate the "Go Spin Zone" with the RNC? That show is a complete joke with no substance worth basing any kind of informed opinion on...Bill O'Reilly's show sucks too!

    Posted by ADHD at 09/03/2008 @ 7:38pm

22. BTW, everytime "Rev. Wright" and "Bill Ayers" get mentioned now...

    we get to mention "Rev. Kalinin" and "the Alaska Independence Party"!

    Thanks Sarah!

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 7:38pm

23. Oh, and Obama is a genius....

    a good chunk of the Right loves "Loufa Bill" and hopes (as mentioned here by FRANK) that "O'Reilly will rip Obama a new one!!!!" (since Bill is such a genius and Obama such an idiot, of course).

    Which means....they'll want to see that "bloodbath"...and not McCain's "I'm the same, but not" speech...

    AND it'll mean that ALL the talk on right-wing radio AND Fox will be the Obama interview....not McCain.

    AND it'll kill the happy-happy-joy-joy of the "monumental Sarah Palin speech"...under 24 hours in the news cycle!

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 7:41pm

24. "This election is not about issues," said Davis. "This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates."

    More view into how these guys are thinking. They have nothing fresh to offer so they have to rely on character assassination instead of their crazy platform.

    Posted by Cccomfo1 at 09/03/2008 @ 7:53pm

25. No, O'Reilly will be incredibly respectful to Obama. He will challenge Obama, but Obama won't be trapped. They will reach points of disagreement, but don't expect any checkmates.

    The goal for O'Reilly and Obama alike is exposure to ears and eyeballs.

    Win win for them and a win for americans trying to learn about the candidates. And if Palin hits a home run this evening, all the better. It will put the focus back on the issues where it truly belongs.

    Posted by freiheit1 at 09/03/2008 @ 8:00pm

26. >>>The first question that O'reilly will asy will go something like this, "will you Barack Obama, condemn NBC and MSNBC for their personal, offensive attacks on Sarah Palin?" The next question should be, "What exactly is your relationship with Bill Ayers?" Next he can follow up wit this, "What executive decisions have you ever made/"

    Posted by frankgrits at 09/03/2008 @ 7:15pm<<<

    Answer 1:

    I am a big fan of the free press and certainly would not want to tell the press what to report or how they should report. That being said, I have always maintained that the family of public officials should be offlimits, but reports on Palin only having 18 months in office and the limited responsibilities she had as governor of a town of 5,000 people, her abuse of power in firing certain individuals, and her extreme positions like banning abortion in cases of rape and incest should be fair game, and I think the press is starting to cover some of those issues.

    Answer 2:

    I currently have no relationship will Bill Ayers and have never condoned his political views. Years ago I served on a board with him for a charity group and that is about the extent of our relationship.

    Answer 3:

    I have chaired many committees and subcommittees as a state and US senator, and was elected president of the Illinois senate in my final year there. In this campaign, I have been the chief executive, raising more money from more donors in history and spending this money judiciously and effectively in what most observers would say is a fairly successful campaign thus far.

    In terms of legislative experience, I have spent 8 years as a state senator and 3 years in the US Senate where I am a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that my vice presidential nominee, Joe Biden, currently chairs.

    Posted by Metteyya at 09/03/2008 @ 8:23pm

27. Obama came on O'reilly because the Fox station agreed not to savage him?

    And he didn't appear previously because he felt savaged ? By fucking reporters?

    I can hear Putin, N Korea, China...the world...laughing and praying for an Obama win...

    My God...Obama MUST be defeated...we will have a tough enough time as it is with the socialists congress.

    Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/03/2008 @ 8:25pm

28. No great irony coming from the country where slavery and Jim Crow were once part of the tradition.

    Posted by onthehelm at 09/03/2008 @ 6:24pm

    -------------

    fromthebilge;

    See if you can LIST the counties of this world that NEVER had slavery and oppresive racial laws if you can, that will be intresting to us all

    Posted by RedRiver_. at 09/03/2008 @ 8:26pm

29. You mean like not announcing your VP selection on the night of your opponents speech...

    Posted by oestell at 09/03/2008 @ 7:23pm

    Which did not happen. McCain did so the next day. there was no attempt by McCain to compete with Obama's speech.

    The left here with each passing hour seems to slide further into boundaries of slime that seemingly have no limits.

    As I've said among many others, this shows that the left is scared to death that the "sure" victory they once thought was theirs is slipping away....

    I can just hear Obama's words on November 4th,

    "Ah, you cursed girl! Look what you've done! I'm melting! I'm melting! Ohhhhh... What a world, what a world! Who ever thought a little girl like you could destroy my beautiful wickedness? Ah, I'm going! Ahhh! Aaahhhhh! Nooooo! Ahhhhh! Ahhhhhhhhh..."

    Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 8:29pm

30. Mr. Shiney Nickel seems to never have heard of tivo, dvrs, or vcrs! Must be technilogically challenged as the left accuses McCain of being?! That is if anyone is intrested in the regurgitation of empty rhetoric that Obamanation will spew tonight?

    Posted by RedRiver_. at 09/03/2008 @ 8:33pm

31. As I've said among many others, this shows that the left is scared to death that the "sure" victory they once thought was theirs is slipping away....

    Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 8:29pm

    No, we're just amazed at the bullshit and hyprocrisy the members of the Republican "Family Values" party continues to spew.

    Posted by Balrog at 09/03/2008 @ 8:35pm

32. Posted by Metteyya at 09/03/2008 @ 8:23pm

    All spin. He won't get away with it. Then again, Maybe O'reilly will be a pushover.

    Posted by frankgrits at 09/03/2008 @ 8:35pm

33. Posted by frankgrits at 09/03/2008 @ 8:35pm

    All spin? As in not true?

    Tell me where there is a falsehood in any of those answers?

    Posted by Metteyya at 09/03/2008 @ 8:46pm

34. Posted by Metteyya

    You gotta be working for Obama officially...if you aren't, then you should be...

    ..you are better than Obamna himself...

    You would make one hell of a pit bull in the yard.

    But you do sound a little..brainwashed, and please, accept my apologies for sounding condensending to you, for I TRUELY do not mean to come off as such ...but you sound so over the top pro Obama that it doesn't seem real..

    Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/03/2008 @ 8:56pm

35. Again, this is pure GENIUS.

    To borrow from LVLIB and MAASCH, the "panic of the Right is a sure indicator that going on Loufa Bill against McCain's speech is a winner!"

    LOL

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:11pm

36. No, O'Reilly will be incredibly respectful to Obama. He will challenge Obama, but Obama won't be trapped. They will reach points of disagreement, but don't expect any checkmates.----Posted by freiheit1 at 09/03/2008 @ 8:00pm

    THAT would be even funnier.

    Can you imagine the HATE mail that Bill will get....from his own audience...if he "softballs" Obama (i.e. does anything less than call him a Muslim and say he hates America)?

    Obama will stomp him...then his own right-wing ditto-heads will stomp Bill for being "too easy on the Commie Negro!!!!"

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:16pm

37. It will be curious to see if Fox asks Obamanation to explain his previous relationships such as Khalid al-Mansour a.k.a. Don Warden the next Rev. Wright caliber of storm approaching Obamanation!

    Posted by RedRiver_. at 09/03/2008 @ 9:20pm

38. Posted by RedRiver_. at 09/03/2008 @ 9:20pm

    Will Palin explain her relationship with Ed Kalinin?

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:22pm

39. Mask,

    Bill will pussy out, as he always does when the MIGHT be a furture interview...he is an entertainer...not a journalist..he may have been a journalist at one time, but he no longer is,,,and the same for the entire MSNBC network...I don't know why they just don't where their OBAMA buttons and be done with it..who ever watches the station, and I do, knows it.

    Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/03/2008 @ 9:23pm

40. To borrow from LVLIB and MAASCH, the "panic of the Right is a sure indicator that going on Loufa Bill against McCain's speech is a winner!"

    LOL

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:11pm

    Maybe it proves Bill is not a repub.

    Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/03/2008 @ 9:25pm

41. Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/03/2008 @ 9:23pm

    See, but HIS zombies don't believe that...they all think O'Reilly "is the only one asking the tough questions...no spin allowed...hits them hard"...

    when he's a dope one step removed from "A Current Affair".

    So, they all tune in on Thursday to see "Bill sock it to the Dumbo-earred socialist Muslim"...

    and Loufa Bill drops the ball...somewhat out of fear Obama will win and he won't get invited to the Gridiron Dinner...mostly out of fear Obama will mop the floor with him if he tries a stupid right-wing talking point.

    So...Obama steals McCain's thunder (despite what LVLIB thinks, not Constitutinally designated as "treason")....O'Reilly is passive...

    and HALF McCain's intended audience is watching "The Factor" and not his speech where he'll tell them "You can trust me, I'm as suicidally right-wing as Dubya!"

    Obama read his Sun Tzu!

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:28pm

42. Mask,

    I don't think Bill will be over taking McCain...and I do not think Bill is afraid of Obamas intellect..

    ..Bill is also IVY league and comfortable with himself...I think Bill does not want to be disinvited to all the socializing that goes on between the press and govt..and the other things that most here would be shocked to witness.

    Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/03/2008 @ 9:32pm

43. And if Palin hits a home run this evening, all the better. It will put the focus back on the issues where it truly belongs.

    Posted by freiheit1 at 09/03/2008 @ 8:00pm

    damn.

    i just heard mr. romney speak.

    issues?

    hardly.

    just untruths and more untruths.

    complete b.s.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 09/03/2008 @ 9:36pm

44. MAASCH....I just hope we see THIS O'Reilly again

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tJjNVVwRCY&feature;=related

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:38pm

45. romney

    "how can the u.s. lead the family of nations if it doesn't save the u.s. family?"

    or sumptin' like that.

    <<<<<<>>>>>>

    Divorces per 1,000 population

    1970 ...........r

    3.5

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    4.0

    SAVE MARRIAGE, VOTE DEMOCRAT

    Posted by frosty zoom at 09/03/2008 @ 9:45pm

46. MASK, FRANK GRITS, 2HAPPY,

    This is the stupidest idea Obama has come up with so far, and the campaign has a lot of time left. Going on Faux News and O'Really's show in particular, has no value what-so-ever because the rightwing lunatic genocidal republican/democratic maniacs who watch Faux News and O'Really will never vote for Obama anyway. This gambit is bankrupt and has no currency to it at all. But what this should tell people, especially the leftwing base, is that Obama is adhering to the old, tried, tested, and FAILED strategy of shifting all the way to the far right to get votes from the mythical center. But hey, it's his election to lose, and if the past is prologue, the Democrats are experts at losing elections that they should easily win by landslide.........

    Posted by POSEIDON at 09/03/2008 @ 9:46pm

47. Don Warden

    Posted by RedRiver_. at 09/03/2008 @ 9:20pm

    During this time the PORTER WAGONER TRIO, with DON WARDEN (steel guitar) and Herschel "Speedy" Haworth (electric guitar) was formed and began touring. 1954 brought Porter his first top 10 hit with "Company's Comin'". "A Satisfied Mind" came next and went to number one for 4 weeks and stayed on the charts for over 8 months. In 1954, Porter became a part of the "Ozark Jubilee" and on February 23, 1957 he joined the "Grand Ole Opry" where he remains one of its most popular stars.

    wow.

    obama has links to the king of country gospel.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 09/03/2008 @ 9:49pm

48. Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:38pm |

    It would be great and truth would flow!!

    Posted by JOMAMMA at 09/03/2008 @ 9:51pm

49. Posted by POSEIDON at 09/03/2008 @ 9:46pm

    Not the point POSEI....point is that Rush and Sean and Glenn and Michael spend all day Friday talking about Obama on O'Reilly....as well as the MSM....

    and poor Maverick John's acceptance speech is a footnote.

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:54pm

50. "fromthebilge; See if you can LIST the counties of this world that NEVER had slavery and oppresive racial laws if you can, that will be intresting to us all"

    Well, here in Multnomah County I am not sure we have ever had slavery or oppressive laws, although day to day existence may be different. My guess is that many counties in Montana and North Dakota have not had slavery, and oppressive racial laws were likely unnecessary.

    Now if you meant countries, you are doing a wonderful skirting of the issue. The point to which I was responding was that somehow Obama was being disrespectful of American traditions, as if this was somehow inherently bad. My reply was that some of these American traditions included slavery and Jim Crow laws which thanks to people saying such traditions were for shit, they were largely abolished. As they should have been. Some traditions may be good, others are not, and then there are weak callings such as one night every four years where some sort of tradition gets ginned up like this convention bullshit.

    But in the end Red River, I don't really give a damn what other countries do as I am a US citizen and care about what happens in my country. When I see my country doing wrong, I don't point at other countries and justify my country's wrongs because others do wrong. I think Jesus called such things hypocrisy. I don't construct my standards according to how others act--that's called being cowardly and weak.

    Posted by onthehelm at 09/03/2008 @ 9:54pm

51. Watching Giuliani speak at the RNC reveals this is going to be a very nasty campaign.

    The kitchen sink is coming.

    Posted by Benchrest at 09/03/2008 @ 10:13pm

52. Posted by Benchrest at 09/03/2008 @ 10:13pm

    What's the over/under on how many times Giuliani will say "9/11"?

    50?

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 10:16pm

53. Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 10:16pm

    He's wearing me out.

    Cliche' overdose.

    Posted by Benchrest at 09/03/2008 @ 10:21pm

54. I don't construct my standards according to how others act--that's called being cowardly and weak.

    Posted by onthehelm at 09/03/2008 @ 9:54pm

    No, you would be just a sterotypical leftwinger wanting America to look more like Europe, particularly France!

    Posted by RedRiver_. at 09/03/2008 @ 10:24pm

55. Could there be a prez without security clearance? Nope.

    -------------

    Obama Had Close Ties to Top Saudi Adviser at Early Age Wednesday, September 3, 2008 5:58 PM

    By: Kenneth R. Timmerman

    New evidence has emerged that Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was closely associated as early as age 25 to a key adviser to a Saudi billionaire who had mentored the founding members of the Black Panthers.

    In a videotaped interview this year on New York's all news cable channel NY1, a prominent African-American businessman and political figure made the curious disclosures about Obama.

    Posted by HelenDAO at 09/03/2008 @ 10:31pm

56. lvliberty-McCain isn't a girl and Palin will have little effect, as polls already clearly show.

    Posted by i'm nobody at 09/03/2008 @ 10:34pm

57. Posted by Benchrest at 09/03/2008 @ 10:21pm

    And remember who it was that nailed Giuliani on the "noun, verb, and 9/11" thing?

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 10:36pm

58. "Which did not happen. McCain did so the next day. there was no attempt by McCain to compete with Obama's speech."

    No, there was only an attempt to pre-empt the news cycle immediately following his speech. Big difference there!

    Posted by brunowe at 09/03/2008 @ 10:48pm

59. And remember who it was that nailed Giuliani on the "noun, verb, and 9/11" thing?

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 10:36pm

    Biden!

    Posted by Benchrest at 09/03/2008 @ 10:50pm

60. Dems would put Dubya in Gitmo? That's terrific. Why would Dubya himself leave like the Pakistani Mussaraf?

    ----------

    Obama might pursue criminal charges against Bush· Biden says criminal violations will be pursued Elana Schor in Washington Wednesday September 03 2008 19:32 BST

    Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Biden said yesterday that he and running mate Barack Obama could pursue criminal charges against the Bush administration if they are elected in November.

    Biden's comments, first reported by ABC news, attracted little notice on a day dominated by the drama surrounding his Republican counterpart, Alaska governor Sarah Palin.

    Posted by HelenDAO at 09/03/2008 @ 10:53pm

61. Posted by Benchrest at 09/03/2008 @ 10:50pm

    We have a winner.

    Though I'm sure Sarah "Tina Fey" Palin is equally quick-witted.

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 11:03pm

62. Though I'm sure Sarah "Tina Fey" Palin is equally quick-witted.

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 11:03pm

    I know where the kitchen sink is coming from now.

    She really is cute though.

    Posted by Benchrest at 09/03/2008 @ 11:14pm

63. Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:54pm

    And that is worth going on the Faux News Channel to be bashed by rightwing genocidal lunatics? Again, the dumbest idea to date by Obama. But I suspect that they are plenty more where this one came from.

    Posted by POSEIDON at 09/03/2008 @ 11:19pm

64. and poor Maverick John's acceptance speech is a footnote.

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/03/2008 @ 9:54pm

    and down we go.............

    Posted by frosty zoom at 09/03/2008 @ 11:19pm

65. ....the Democrats are experts at losing elections that they should easily win by landslide.........

    Posted by POSEIDON at 09/03/2008 @ 9:46pm

    After Gov. Palin's speech, the Demos' expertise at losing, just got a booster shot!

    Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/03/2008 @ 11:34pm

66. After Gov. Palin's speech, the Demos' expertise at losing, just got a booster shot!

    Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/03/2008 @ 11:34pm

    that's it!

    you people are nuts!

    america, please, not again.

    Posted by frosty zoom at 09/04/2008 @ 12:30am

67. This is in response to HelenDAO: Do you recall during the democratic primaries, former owner of BET, black billionaire Bob Johnson accused Senator Obama of being a "drug-dealer" on the southside of Chicago, instead of a community organizer? HRC kicked him off her campaign...so don't THINK because another black man makes those charges against Mr. Obama, that it's suppose to be law and gospel!! You people amaze me; all of you know that the senator is NOT Muslim, nor is he a communist! His platform resembles that of a 21st century FDR! Anytime black people speak truth to power, some whites villify them! Per usual, you don't know what to make of Barack Obama or his intellect; he doesn't fit the stereotype you've painted of the African American man. Those slave owners knew that if blacks ever learned to read, they would excel. That SAME FEAR, after all these years, is still alive and well! That is the REAL reason why you don't like Obama...he is young, gifted and highly educated; thats' what scares the hell out of you! Carolyn48

    Posted by Carolyn48 at 09/04/2008 @ 12:49am

68. Posted by 2HAPPY at 09/03/2008 @ 11:34pm

    Oh Please! She is simply the right side of the ledger of lunatic, genocidal maniacs. Palin will speed up the process of mass murder and nuclear war with Russia.

    Posted by POSEIDON at 09/04/2008 @ 03:13am

69. Peggy Noonan herself has called it: "It's over."

    The McC-Palin "narrative"? Peggy says: "Political bullshit."

    The only real fight left is the size of the Dem majorities in the house & senate.

    Posted by sloper at 09/04/2008 @ 07:10am

70. SAVE MARRIAGE, VOTE DEMOCRAT Posted by frosty zoom

    Fuck that. That's the problem. Marriage should have nothing to do with politics or government. It is a religious or a personal matter. People should marry ANYONE they want. The government should not be in the business of approving or disapproving of anyone's marriage.

    Posted by abell12ct at 09/04/2008 @ 09:58am

71. Really amusing thread. LVL pretending the Republicans take the high road. Mask gives the political play-by-play. Happy is hoping that the Democrats might find a way to lose - and is tapping his shoes together like Dorothy. And JOMAMMA is telling us about O'Reilly's ivy league education.

    Meanwhile, Obama is very competitive in Ohio, Florida, Virginia, Colorado and North Carolina. And McCain has hardly opened his mouth enough to put his foot firmly in it yet. Amusing indeed.

    Posted by srjenkins at 09/04/2008 @ 10:01am

72. No chance of an Obama/Palin ticket I guess, huh?

    Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/04/2008 @ 10:02am

73. I think its good that Obama will be on the Fact-less FACTOR! He will show the American people how to have conversation about the issues and just preach to a crowd that might as well have been high on Meth! But knowing FOX they might take some cheap shots that have nothing to do with the issues and try to make the next POTUS look bad!!! Good luck Obama!!!

    Posted by lyndonray at 09/04/2008 @ 10:33am

74. McCain honored this tradition in the case of Obama, but apparently this level of class is not something that appeals to Obama. And O'Reilly (whom many here know that I have no real respect for), is equally disrepectful. Posted by lvliberty1 at 09/03/2008 @ 6:02pm |

    If you want to talk respect and tradition, you have to include McCain jumping in with the announcement of his VP to blunt the impact of the successful Democratic convention. That felt off to me, but I didn't whine about it because I was too busy laughing at his wildly extremist pick.

    We agree on O'Reilly.

    Posted by ohsotired at 09/04/2008 @ 10:33am

75. Posted by srjenkins at 09/04/2008 @ 10:01am

    Political play-by-play....or electioneering "Art of War"?

    Posted by Maskdelta at 09/04/2008 @ 10:37am

76. The notion that Palin is an "extremist" is about as absurd as Glenn Beck calling Obama an "extremist progressive." Neither of these statements bears any semblance to reality.

    The tendency, though for commentators to issue such wildly uncompromising claims is one reason people like Obama and Palin have such appeal. Both will transcend this ridiculous, parylizing polarization, a legacy of the baby boomers: They would simply do it in different ways. I was only half kidding above when I suggested the benefits of an Obama/Plain ticket.

    Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/04/2008 @ 11:12am

77. after the attacks I heard the past couple of days, I don't care if Obama "steals the limelight" at all. The extremist right doesn't pull punches, and neither should the dems. Welcome to the party pal.

    Posted by chuckjones242 at 09/04/2008 @ 12:18pm

78. The notion that Palin is an "extremist" is about as absurd as Glenn Beck calling Obama an "extremist progressive." Neither of these statements bears any semblance to reality. Posted by CHIP THORNTON at 09/04/2008 @ 11:12am

    Actually, Chip, her views on, among other matters, women's reproductive choice are absolutely extremist. In her view, the mother must die for the fetus, even if that fetus is the result of rape or incest. Make no mistake - that view is so far out of the mainstream of rational thought as to be ridiculous, especially as she considers the mass murder of 1.2 million human beings in Iraq to be "God's work" - yet another of her utterly extremist views. She is a Christian Dominionist (much like Larry), who would throw out the Constitution to proclaim in its place a theocracy in which she and her like-minded ilk would be required by law to be worshipped (and supported grandly on the taxpayer dime, if history is any indication at all). They all call it worshipping God, but have you noticed that God always agrees with their viewpoints? Beck is full of it regarding Barack as an extremist - he's a centrist. I do wish he were further to the left, but he seems a decent guy with a great intellect, a good heart, a desire to serve something more than himself, an ability to listen to other points of view, and the type of creative spirit that this country desperately needs after all these years of right-wing treachery. Palin, on the other hand, is little better than Dan Quayle on metaphorical steroids. And she gives hockey a bad name at the same time.

    Posted by jmusolino at 09/05/2008 @ 12:29am

79. 7 i just saw their TV Ads that are great and the election is getting warmer this time because recently i saw a their TV ads in pollclash It appears as though the long awaited face-off between the two presidential candidates, Barack Obama and John McCain, has now officially kicked-off with the release of two TV ads. well you can see the video in http://pollclash.com for you who do you think got the round one?

    Posted by LYCEJ08 at 09/05/2008 @ 11:26am

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