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Group Administrator: Andrzej Bajor bajor@itme.edu.pl Group Co-Administrator: Roy Kosonen metsamies@sbcglobal.net
Project Surnames:Project Background: In my opinion a considerable number of males, especially in the former USSR and Finland, are descended from Rurik. By careful studies of 19th century color portraits of those males, who, undoubtedly, belonged to the Rurikid dynasty, I came to the conclusion that usually they have got oval heads, straight noses, dark-to-black (usually black) hair, and last, but not least, ALL are suffering from a BALDING PATTERN, i.e. they are losing their hair from their FOREHEADS (not from top of head, but just from the FOREHEAD), also in a relatively young age. The balding begins on the temples and is spreading toward the top of the head. Sometimes, the balding is lesser pronounced. However, such features should be proved with Y-DNA testing. | Family Tree DNA - Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. World Headquarters 1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147 Contact Us All Contents Copyright 2001-2004 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Project Goals: I will be needing to find a group of males who have got "princely" surnames, and they are suspecting either their descent from Rurik or from Gedimin (it's still probable that the Gediminovichs were, in fact, a branch in the Rurikid dynasty). By Y-DNA testing it will be possible to discover whether all, or some of them, shared (or not) a common male ancestor. Also, by counting back generations (and mutations), most probably it will be possible to find individual haplotype for Rurik himself.
Another group considered in this project are those males who might be descended either from Rurik or from Gedimin. Usually, they haven't got "princely" surnames. However, from their family tales or legends it comes out that their ancestors were either illegal sons of certain Rurikid (Gediminid) princes, or legal sons in lost princely branches. | Family Tree DNA - Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. World Headquarters 1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147 Contact Us All Contents Copyright 2001-2004 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Project News: Administrators of this project are co-operating with Stepan Kravchenko and Nikita Maximov, who are the Editor-in-Chief and the Scientific Editor of the Russian Newsweek, respectively. The Russian Newsweek has tested the first two Rurikid princes.
This was the prince Dmitri Mikhailovich Shahovskoi of Paris, France, the prominent Professor at the Russian Orthodox Institute, who made the 1st Y-DNA test in the Rurikid dynasty. Unexpectedly, he was found to have descended from a Finn (genetic haplogroup N3a1 - currently it has been denoted as N1c1a). The 2nd one was the Professor Andrei Petrovich Gagarin of St. Petersburg, Russia. His Y-DNA test result is matching this of Prof. Shahovskoi.
Next came Alexandr Solomin. Since very many years he was declaring that his family was, in fact, a lost branch in the Monastyrev family. The Monastyrevs of Smolensk lost rights to their princely title as early as in 16th century. Since his Y-DNA test result was matching those of Shahovskoi and Gagarin, he became representative of the 1st family, unknown to genealogists, which proved her princely descent by Y-DNA testing.
The 4th one was Nikita Dmitrievich Lobanov-Rostovsky of Great Britain, whose result is matching the remaining three ones.
The four princes are descended from St. Vladimir the Monomakh. Their genetic haplo (N3a1) can be explained in such way that the Roslagen seashore (slightly north of Stockholm, Sweden, where Rurik was supposed to be born) until approx. 5/6 centuries was inhabited by the Finnish population. The Norse Vikings came later into this region and were mixed with the native Finns. However, the Finnish genes survived on paternal lines.
The two other princes, Volkonsky and Obolensky, who were descended from Oleg Svatoslavovich (grandson of St. Yaroslav Mudry (the Wise)) are genetic Slavs (haplo R1a1). It seems that this was the king of Poland, Boleslaw II Smialy, who broke the genetic line of the Kievlan Rurikovichs. In 1069 he visited Kiev with his troops. However, he escaped from Kiev in short time. The reason for this was not given by historians. Their genetic haplos are typical for western Slavs, and especially for the Wielkopolska (Greater Poland) region in Poland, where the Polish royal Piast dynasty established their first princedom.
The prince Jakub Maria Puzyna was believed to be descended from Oleg Svatoslavovich of Kiev. However, he is not. Most probably he is not a direct descendant of Rurik. However, at least he is descended from one of Rurik's closest relatives.
The prince Piotr Szuyski (most probably he is the last Shuyski in the world; his ancestor in 17th cent. escaped from Moscow to the Gr. Duchy of Lithuania to save his life in the time of slaughter of the Shuyskis in Russia), was believed to be descended from St. Vladimir the Monomakh. However, he is not. Most probably an adoption unknown to historians occurred in his family.
I and my colleagues are also trying to persuade to the princes Czetwertynski, who live in Poland and in Canada, that they should make their Y-DNA test(s). The Czetwertynskis are the last family in the world which is descended from the 3rd branch in the Rurikid dynasty (they descended from Yaropolk, the brother of St. Vladimir the Great of Kiev).
The main problem with Y-DNA testing in the Rurikid dynasty is such that, currently, only two princes, namely Solomin and Puzyna, performed at least 37 markers tests which are very suitable in genetic genealogy. Shahovskoi made 12, Lobanov-Rostovsky 16, while Gagarin made only 25 of his genetic markers, respectively. Unfortunately, these are just the fast mutating markers 26-37, and especially the markers CDYa and CDYb, which are most important in genetic genealogy. I am suspecting that a couple of Swedes, Finns and the British might be descended from Rurik. However, their CDYa and CDYb are varying from 33 to 39. Some of them are Rurikids, another are not. And nobody can tell which of them are until at least two more Rurikids will make their complete, at least 37 markers tests.
My private database is here
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mozhayski/teksty/ydna.html .
The prince Bogdan Korybut-Woroniecki was found to be descended from a Swedish (Norwegian) Viking (genetic haplo I1a). However, experts of the Polish Association of Nobility don't believe in this that he is a "true" Gediminid prince. In my opinion he is descended from one of the native Lithuanian princes.
The prince Tonu Trubetsky (he is a famous musician nicknamed Tony Blackplait) is descended from the Gediminid Trubetskoi princes. His family tree since Gedimin is well documented. He was found to be descended from the native Lithuanian population. And this sounds reasonably, since from Stryjkowski's chronicle (the end of 16th century) it comes out that the early Gediminid princes spoke Lithuanian as their native tongue. However, this what the Trubetsky princes wrote in Obshchiy Gerbovnik Rassiyskoi Imperii (Armorial of the Russian Empire, vol. 2, St. Petersburg 1798) that Gedimin was descended from St. Vladimir the Great of Kiev on the Polotsk branch, seems to be untrue from the point of view of the true genetics. In spite of clear lack of blood relations between the Rurikids and the Gediminids, one may, however, think of "political" family relations. I.e. that the both princely lines were related in another way to each other. Namely, in the Suzdal Chronicle (Suzdalskaya Letopis') one can find a text dealing with the siege of Polotsk by St. Vladimir the Great of Kiev. From this it comes out, that ROGNEDA, the future wife of St. Vladimir, as well as mother of his sons, HAD HER OWN SON from her 1st MARRIAGE. It's then quite probable that IZIASLAV VLADIMIROVICH of POLOTSK was, in fact, AN ADOPTED SON of St. Vladimir.
Nevertheless, the question on descent of Gedimin is still opened. The project urgently seeks for princes of the Gediminid descent, like Trubecki (Trubetskoi), Golicyn (Galitzine), Chowanski (Khovansky)and Kurakin (Kurakine). Others, like Czartoryski, Sanguszko and Koriatowicz-Kurcewicz are rarely met in the world. | Family Tree DNA - Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. World Headquarters 1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147 Contact Us All Contents Copyright 2001-2004 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Project Results: The results have been also displayed on
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~mozhayski/teksty/ydna.html .
It was found that Rurik was of the Finno-Ugrian descent (haplogroup N3a1 probably beginning with the following markers : 14 23 14 11 11 13 11 12 10 14 14). However, from some historical sources it comes out that he was born in Sweden on the Roslagen seashore (north of Stockholm).
There have been three groups of males which are (roughly) matching Rurik : the Finns, The Swedes and the Norwegians, and the British.
The 1st group is believed to have originated from one of Rurik's ancestors who never left Finland for Sweden. Alternatively, this might have been one of Rurik's closest relatives (e.g. his 1st or 2nd generation cousin) who settled himself in Finland as early as in 9th century. Rurikid genes could also enter Finland in one of wars between Russia and Sweden carried on the Finnish territory in the past ages. The Russian armies were usually commanded by several Rurikid and Gediminid princes.
The 2nd group is believed to come from his ancestors who lived in Sweden, usually around 5-6 centuries A.D. And the 3rd group most probably comes from one or two of his ancestors who lived in Sweden, and who joined a Viking expedition against the British Isles around 8th century A.D.
It has already been proved that approx. 40-45 % of native populations of Lithuania and Latvia are of Finno-Ugrian descent. Most probably they came here from Karelia, although some people believe in this that they came to the Baltic coastal region from Povolzhe (around the Volga river). It also seems that the ancient Yatviagian and Prussian tribes were also of the Finno-Ugrian descent. | Family Tree DNA - Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. World Headquarters 1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147 Contact Us All Contents Copyright 2001-2004 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project DNA Test Results (Alleles) for Project Members * Haplogroups in green have been
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ordering a SNP confirmation test. Family Tree DNA - Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. World Headquarters 1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147 Contact Us All Contents Copyright 2001-2004 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project Family Tree DNA - Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. World Headquarters 1445 North Loop West, Suite 820 Houston, Texas 77008, USA Phone: (713) 868-1438 | Fax: (832) 201-7147 Contact Us All Contents Copyright 2001-2004 Genealogy by Genetics, Ltd. Project Background, Goals, Results and News are copyright of the specific Surname Project
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