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Originally published on Wednesday, November 05, 2008

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#12308

Posted by benaround at 11/4/08 8:06 p.m.

Congratulations President Obama!

#12310

Posted by kongalongdog at 11/4/08 8:07 p.m.

Excellent!

#12312

Posted by mtOlympus at 11/4/08 8:13 p.m.

............................... The American Experience ....................................

#12313

Posted by rob499 at 11/4/08 8:15 p.m.

Yes, yes, yes! From all peoples around the world, Congratulations to President Barack Obama!!

#12314

Posted by Organization Man at 11/4/08 8:15 p.m.

Horsey Obameter: +1 and rising.

#12315

Posted by OhioVoice at 11/4/08 8:18 p.m.

It was a long time a'comin'.....congratulations to President-elect Barack Obama! Now, let's get on with the healing, hope and progressive thinking/doing.

#12316

Posted by Roosevelt at 11/4/08 8:18 p.m.

Amen, Horsey. Well done, America!

#12317

Posted by Charles III at 11/4/08 8:20 p.m.

yes
yes
and
yes we can

I may even start drinking alaskan amber again

yes!

#12318

Posted by mtOlympus at 11/4/08 8:21 p.m.

......................................... GOOD LUCK OBAMA ..............................................
.

#12319

Posted by aseahawkfan at 11/4/08 8:21 p.m.

America did it. America elected their first black president. I am proud today. Unbelievable. I didn't know if I would see this in my lifetime.

Utterly amazing.

#12320

Posted by BlueShirtMedia at 11/4/08 8:25 p.m.

God Bless This Country.

We did it.

#12321

Posted by Siriusly at 11/4/08 8:26 p.m.

I remember as a little kid watching cartoons like GI Joe that featured a woman or later '24' that featured a black man as President.

I remember talking to my mom and asking her if a lady or a black man could be President. I remember her hesitation and nervous glances until she would eventually say "...yes." I remember her say that I, her son and 34 years younger then her, would see the country rise above racial divides, but that she never expected to live to see it.

I will always remember the tears in her eyes when she would just watch the television and murmer "I can't believe it," over and over.

#12322

Posted by Siriusly at 11/4/08 8:27 p.m.

C'mon, klake. Give us your best shot.

#12323

Posted by stjrich at 11/4/08 8:29 p.m.

right on!!!!!!!!

#12324

Posted by Old Heathen at 11/4/08 8:31 p.m.

Charles III,

I always wanted to try some of their Alaska Nut Brown ale. I heard there is some beer served up that way in mylar pouches (backpacker beer) like a Capri-Sun juice, but with a nectar of another kind.

Congratulations, President-elect Obama.

A lot of repair work to be done come January. Take a breather, and the rest of those willing to act locally will do our share.

#12325

Posted by Sibil at 11/4/08 8:33 p.m.

President Obama....

If McCain had spoken thru out his entire campaign, as he did in his concession speech tonight, I think Barack really would have had a fight on his hands.

Congrats Barack!!

Way to go out with CLASS, JOHN!!

#12326

Posted by misterush at 11/4/08 8:37 p.m.

We must look to the future, we must do what's best for America!

#12327

Posted by mtOlympus at 11/4/08 8:37 p.m.

What a beautiful cartoon!!!! ........ Thanks Horsey!!!!

#12328

Posted by CrowTRobot at 11/4/08 8:38 p.m.

Horsey's got that tingle going up his leg big time! With total and complete Dem control, what on earth will he have to pick on in his post-election cartoons?

#12329

Posted by benaround at 11/4/08 8:39 p.m.

"" may even start drinking alaskan amber again""

CharlesIII

All I can say is tsk, tsk, tsk.

There are some things in life to NEVER be compromised for ANY reason. This is one of those things.

We will forgive you this time. This now being a time for forgiveness.

Your penance will now be to quaff at least two brews in honor of the new President. ;0)

Ben

#12330

Posted by AvalancheChief at 11/4/08 8:42 p.m.

Congrats to President Elect Obama

#12331

Posted by SnoMan at 11/4/08 8:44 p.m.

Hopefully this will put to bed the doubt that anyone can become president regardless of ethnicity, religon, gender, etc. Anyone with the talent has a shot. Maybe even agnostics.

#12332

Posted by Rancid Crabtree at 11/4/08 8:44 p.m.

Can we declare racism in America over now? (Not universially, of course, but for the most part.)

#12333

Posted by the man redux at 11/4/08 8:50 p.m.

If John McCain had been on the ballot in 2000 (And assuming he beat Gore) this would be a much different country, not nearly as polarized. He was and is a good man. That being said, I was swaeting bullets at the prospect of another four years of conservative right wing running the country for antoher four years. Obama has his work cut out for him. President Fathead is basically handing him a burning bag of dog poop and saying "enjoy!" But I feel he is up to the challenge. The question is, are we as a nation and as a people up to the challenge? The next four, the next twenty years will be painful. It's not going to be a free ride. Are we up to the challenge?

And from the right, nothing but the sound of crickets. I bid good riddance to the religeous right and their narrow minded crap. To the rest of us, good luck and lets hope our new president has some good fortune.

#12334

Posted by benaround at 11/4/08 8:50 p.m.

"" Rancid Crabtree at 11/4/08 8:44 p.m.""

I don't believe it. Where have you been? Did you know Retch Sweeney is looking for you?

Dang, I've got all of Pat's books, even an autographed one. Never thought I'd run into you.

Welcome to the neighborhood.

#12335

Posted by koogbasschi at 11/4/08 8:55 p.m.

Bravo, Mr. Horsey.

#12336

Posted by Charles III at 11/4/08 8:56 p.m.

yes
yes
and
yes again
McCain did hold off the dogs
and wind up his run for president with class

thank you for your service to the USA Mr John McCain

#12337

Posted by the man redux at 11/4/08 8:57 p.m.

Rancid Crabtree!!! That's awesome - I used to read Pat McManus in Field and Stream religeously!!

Oh yeah - full disclosure - I am a down the line democrat (except for Sam Reed and Rob McKenna) and I go to the gun range on a regular basis.

#12338

Posted by markit8 at 11/4/08 8:57 p.m.

It's a beautiful day in America

Sen. McCain was absolutely gracious in his speech, he is a true hero and a class act.

First step completed, now the work starts, but for today we all celebrate.

Let's try to have a day or two without too many soundoffs

#12339

Posted by patriciar at 11/4/08 9:29 p.m.

YES, WE CAN!!!

YES, WE DID!!

YAAAHOOO!!!

P.S.

I like Alaskan Amber, makes great beer battered fish and a little nip while mixing.

#12340

Posted by yreesolu at 11/4/08 9:30 p.m.

YAY obama wins, America finally pulled itself out of the rightwing gutter.

#12341

Posted by drewmerchant at 11/4/08 9:30 p.m.

Congratulations President Elect!

Thanks Horsey for a great cartoon.

#12342

Posted by Pulse of the People at 11/4/08 9:43 p.m.

Yes, we can!

#12343

Posted by saltygawd at 11/4/08 9:46 p.m.

I'm proud to be an American once again. I can hold my head up in our little corner of the universe with pride. Congratulations America.

#12344

Posted by ranting79 at 11/4/08 9:48 p.m.

Posted by CrowTRobot at 11/4/08 8:38 p.m.

Horsey's got that tingle going up his leg big time! With total and complete Dem control, what on earth will he have to pick on in his post-election cartoons?


Don't worry, Horsey isn't afraid to call dems on their nonsense. Check out his work from the Clinton years and you'll know that he'll be ready when/if Obama strays from the path

#12345

Posted by Glenn Sand at 11/4/08 9:49 p.m.

Regardless of what you might believe, we didn't elect a black man to the Presidency tonight. Rather, I submit to you that tonight we elected a man to be President who just happens to be black. The difference therein is great and we must never confuse the two. That is what will determine and define our greatness and whether or not we have truly subscribed to the message of change.

#12346

Posted by Fnord at 11/4/08 9:53 p.m.

Great cartoon, equal to the historic occasion.

Congratulations to President Obama. We've watched him grow on the campaign trail and I look forward to watching him grow in his new job. Hmm, the idea of a President growing in office. Not a thought I've entertained for a while.

And thanks to Senator McCain for a genuinely classy speech. Things got out of hand towards the end but this will help the healing.

#12347

Posted by Scabaris at 11/4/08 9:54 p.m.

Amen Glenn Sand! I never cared what color Obama was, I cared that he was different, even from other democrats. And to you GOP'ers out there, record voter turnout, landslide for the democrats. Get back to your base of fiscal responsibility and jettison the nutcases, and MAYBE if you're lucky, you'll get a candidate as good as John McCain again and people will for for him or her.

#12348

Posted by klake at 11/4/08 9:59 p.m.

Well folks today will go down in history but not the final destination on the road to freedom for there are many more to follow different paths to freedom. They too will be people of color but not just black but many other different races. Horsey Barak Hussein Obama only lived through a short period of time of the Jim Crow era, nor did his ancestors come from slavery. Barak was born the year of 1961 the Jim Crow laws were separate from the 1800-66 which were call Black Codes. They were overruled by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. He did not go to segregated schools but to some of the best schools in this country, except when he lived out of this country. Barak father was from Nyanza Province in Kenya and his mother is white from Wichita, Kansas and not descendents from Slavery in this country.

Your art work showing those hiding in the shadows as he walks toward the White House is quite touching. You now dishonor all those who worked and served in that house that were Black and enjoyed the freedoms we live under today.

Maybe after he is sworn in as President we can now throw out all our excess baggage in the trash. You know all the programs that been put in placed to make amends for all the transgressions everyone's been carry since the Civil War.

Today we as a Nation made history but it's greater that the piece of art work you just ink. Obama will be face with many challenges lets hope he will weather them better than President Jimmy Carter. I doubt he will get much chance to create the changes he pledge us during his campaign. He also lack the skills of Lyndon B. Johnson to force the changes in the manner he did during the sixty's. Obama will have to deal with two wars and an enemy that intent on destroying this countries way of life. Let's hope he does not reinstate the draft and force the weak and illiterate to defend this country. Maybe he will bless all those other folks of color besides the blacks to a free college education.

That being said Horsey you will have to come up with new subject matter to ink for everyone's enjoyment. Because you can only color a dead horse from limited views before everybody gets bored and start reading the Seattle Times. For now you better walk that pit bull with red lipstick before you go to bed.

#12349

Posted by jefdkfn1 at 11/4/08 10:00 p.m.

Thank God for the United States and for President-elect Obama.

(I wonder how people like Limbaugh and O'Reilley are feeling; let the conspiracy theories begin!) ;)

jef

#12350

Posted by Whistle Berries at 11/4/08 10:01 p.m.

Hmmm...

Another great artwork and commentary by Mr. Horsey...!

Factually speaking, President-elect Obama is mixed race, he is neither Black or White, he is both.

President George W. Bush made president-elect Obama possible.

President Bush had 8 years to become one of the best presidents ever, but for whatever reason he frittered away that chance.

His administration is littered with failed programs, questionable policies, and remarkably bad or poor choices, such as becoming the "vacation president."

According to: blogs.villagevoice.com/pressclips/archiv
es/2008/01/numb_and_number_1.php
"President Bush had taken 418 days of vacation in his first 6.7 years in office. That works out to 62.4 vacation days a year — a little more than 12 work weeks, which is probably slightly more vacation time than any working stiff gets.

(On the other hand, think how much more damage Bush could have done if he hadn't taken so much vacation.)

Multiply 62.4 days a year by eight and you get 499 total days of vacation."

However, due to his policies and procedures, and that of others in his administration, (many of whom are in federal prison, or headed in that direction), President Bush almost single-handedly is responsible for huge increases in voter registrations and people voting – because the whole mess created by President Bush and Vice President "Shotgun Dick" Cheney disgusted most Americans.

As of tomorrow, there are only 75 days until Bush and Cheney leave office; but fasten your seat belt, because the "Presidential Pardon" storm clouds are now gathering.

#12351

Posted by frogger at 11/4/08 10:01 p.m.

Yes We Can... and yes we did!

#12352

Posted by A Lonely Centrist at 11/4/08 10:02 p.m.

As for those of you who are proud to be an American NOW - you never were. Even when Carter was President, I was still proud to be an American. You whining little idiots just don't get it... WE CHANGED the course of America. We have always been self-correcting.

Congrats to the new Prez. Hopefully I'll keep my job if he nationalizes.

#12353

Posted by benaround at 11/4/08 10:02 p.m.

this is to "the man redux at 11/4/08 8:57 p.m. and post #12337"

In case you are not aware of it, Pat McManus has a series of books on these characters. I believe about 11 or 12.

You owe it to yourself and your sense of humor to read them. Your library should have them but get your own through any local bookstore or Amazon.

Great, humorous, easy reads for a cold rainy night.

Enjoy,
Ben

#12354

Posted by consumeless at 11/4/08 10:08 p.m.

Horsey's talent helps people of dreams and believers in democracy ,peace and justice win.
We are the World. We are the Children.
This little light of mine. I'm gonna let it shine.

#12355

Posted by paulfromportland at 11/4/08 10:13 p.m.

klake, you really should consider taking courses for English as a second language.

President-elect Obama - Congratulations - God Speed

At long last, class and intelligence return to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Senator McCain, if only you had been as eloquent and decent as you were tonight, who knows...........You stood very tall, Senator.

#12356

Posted by Strixboy at 11/4/08 10:16 p.m.

It seems like our country took a giant step tonight.

And hopefully soon, it won't matter if a candidate actually IS Muslim or not.

#12357

Posted by clarlynn at 11/4/08 10:16 p.m.

I never thought I would witness this in my lifetime. This speaks volumes to the children of America...DREAM BIG!

#12358

Posted by Bilunski at 11/4/08 10:23 p.m.

"Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

#12359

Posted by Denny P at 11/4/08 10:25 p.m.

Glenn Sand said it best. Today we did not elect a black man or a white man. We elected the best man.

McCain was pure class at the end.

#12360

Posted by Zephyr77 at 11/4/08 10:27 p.m.

Celebrate Obama's historical achievement, as well as your own contribution to it if you supported his candidacy. Good luck, President-elect Obama!

I would only ask you to remember this: tonight is just the first of many steps needed on a long and difficult road to get this country back on track and it can't be done by one man alone. It's time to put the "left side/right side" bickering behind us and attack the common problems. We're all Americans...we all have a stake in how well this country functions and how we treat, and in turn, are perceived and treated by, the rest of the world, so do whatever you can to make this country...and this world...a better place.

It's worth the effort.

#12361

Posted by T-Prop at 11/4/08 10:34 p.m.

Great one, Horsey.

#12362

Posted by Domestic Engineer at 11/4/08 10:39 p.m.

Hurray Pres. Elect Obama!

And I'll add myself to the list in saying that McCain went out with such elegance and eloquence that he was a great credit to his Party.

#12363

Posted by SportsDepressed at 11/4/08 10:39 p.m.

A lot of comedians will be out of jobs now that their guys are in control.

#12364

Posted by mel023 at 11/4/08 10:43 p.m.

Congratulations to President-elect Obama! And congratulations to the voters of the United States for seeing through all the campaign drivel and making a choice for peace, hope and progress rather than fear and division.

I hope Sen. McCain will rediscover his old self and become once again a voice for reform and bi-partisanship in the Senate.

As for Caribou Barbie - the sooner she (and her pitbull with lipstick)are packed off to the hinterlands the better. It will be intersting to see what Alaska thinks of her now.

#12365

Posted by French Steve at 11/4/08 10:43 p.m.

As a republican I am disappointed but let me congratulate President Obama and he has my support.

#12366

Posted by 4623yt at 11/4/08 10:44 p.m.

A wonderful night to be a Democrat!

Still waiting to see if dino shows as much class as McCain...

#12367

Posted by SportsDepressed at 11/4/08 10:44 p.m.

"(I wonder how people like Limbaugh and O'Reilley are feeling; let the conspiracy theories begin!) ;) "
Once the fairness doctrine is re-enacted it will put Limbaugh and O'Reilly off the air and the Dems will once again only have their point of view heard in the media.

#12368

Posted by ecoguy at 11/4/08 10:45 p.m.

A proud moment for all America. Well done Horsey. Well done America.

#12369

Posted by leonel1982 at 11/4/08 10:46 p.m.

Only in America!

#12370

Posted by SportsDepressed at 11/4/08 10:47 p.m.

"As of tomorrow, there are only 75 days until Bush and Cheney leave office; but fasten your seat belt, because the "Presidential Pardon" storm clouds are now gathering."
Like when Clinton left office?

#12371

Posted by saltygawd at 11/4/08 10:47 p.m.

klake,
The cartoon isn't about jim crow, slavery, and civil rights v. obama. This is totally about the attitudes of a group of people we call Americans and how much we have grown as a country. There is still room for improvement, but such a convincing win tells me we are a long way from 1965, let alone 1865.

And may I suggest a more pleasant tone? A wise person once said that you can draw more bees to honey than vinegar.

#12372

Posted by SportsDepressed at 11/4/08 10:49 p.m.

This is going to be harsh for those black people who use the excuse that whitey is holding them back and they can't get anywhere in life.

#12373

Posted by GeronimoV at 11/4/08 10:51 p.m.

Two hundred twenty years after the owner of black slaves became the first President, the first black President is elected. American history has come full circle. We should all be proud.

#12374

Posted by PastorRodFlash at 11/4/08 10:53 p.m.

Klake must have missed the memo about peace on earth. It's for men of good will, of which he presents none.

His lot is to reap the whirlwind and his bitterly twisted screeds are windy, indeed.

#12375

Posted by mukilteo08 at 11/4/08 10:57 p.m.

Crying tears of joy on election night? I wouldn't have believed it, were they not my tears. Here I am, almost 50, with a healthy dose of well-earned cynicism (see the last 8 years...), having just witnessed a truly global, earth-shaking event. I am as proud and excited to be a part of this, as the passion shown by the idealistic young men and women that I saw on every channel tonight; the ones that made the difference throughout the country. As I sat there, watching both candidates present outstanding messages of hope for our future (thank you, John McCain, for showing us your genuine class, the class I remember from years ago), I was moved to realize that we have really turned a corner; to lead by intelligence instead of by fear. I have a renewed confidence that we will mobilize our brightest minds to attack our serious problems head on, instead of muzzling them for providing information contrary to our interests!

I could go on, but enough of my drivel!

Congratulations America, we have taken our county back!

#12376

Posted by sahulsizer at 11/4/08 11:05 p.m.

OBAMOS!!

#12377

Posted by longviewlarry at 11/4/08 11:05 p.m.

To all who voted, thank you.

To all who supported your candidate, thank you

To all who are willing to now, get behind our new president, thank you.

This is a time to come together for the good of our country. May all of us forget the bickering of the past months and support the new administration.

Thanks to Sen. John McCain for his remnarks in concession. He is definately a class act and he deserves the support of all. It was a hard fought fight. Politics get rough, sometimes things are said in the heat of battle. It is a time to forgive and forget all of the rhetortic on both sides. Our job now is to come together for the good of our country.

#12378

Posted by Darth Tagnan at 11/4/08 11:08 p.m.

@ Sibil at 11/4/08 8:33 p.m

I said the same thing to my neighbor across the hall. I would have voted for McCain (this was the McCain from 2000).

So caring, so real.

#12379

Posted by Anna Conda at 11/4/08 11:09 p.m.

in your FACE sports depressed!!!

#12380

Posted by Darth Tagnan at 11/4/08 11:12 p.m.

@ patriciar at 11/4/08 9:29 p.m.

I LOVE Alaskan Amber in Beer Batter! Hmmm... guess I'm going shopping this weekend.

#12381

Posted by greenlantern at 11/4/08 11:15 p.m.

Whooooo Hooooo!

#12382

Posted by Darth Tagnan at 11/4/08 11:17 p.m.

@ klake at 11/4/08 9:59 p.m.

Finally... a post I understand, let alone agree with. Have a wonderful night Klake. This world is much more colorful because of you. :)

#12383

Posted by Arun at 11/4/08 11:19 p.m.

Congratulations America. It was NOT the black man who won - it was the best man amongst us who has taken the responsibility.

Amen Glen and others who pointed it out. I wish Dorsey had highlighted that fact. In spite being an Obama supporter for years - I was moved by the genuine "McCainess" in John's speech today - America, i admire and look forward to the best in you with the best man as your leader.

#12384

Posted by Darth Tagnan at 11/4/08 11:19 p.m.

@ Whistle Berries at 11/4/08 10:01 p.m.
You said: "As of tomorrow, there are only 75 days until Bush and Cheney leave office; but fasten your seat belt, because the "Presidential Pardon" storm clouds are now gathering."

My biggest fear. They need to answer for their War Crimes.

#12385

Posted by Darth Tagnan at 11/4/08 11:26 p.m.

@ A Lonely Centrist at 11/4/08 10:02 p.m.

I'm assuming you served in the Military, but by your post, I'm not sure which branch you served.

Would you please enlighten us? Now, if you are a veteran, tell us how much you are more American than those of us that served. If you aren't, please explain why I, as a veteran, can't be prouder of the United States of America, than I am now?

#12386

Posted by Darth Tagnan at 11/4/08 11:38 p.m.

In addition, I would like to say that John McCain had more class than you did you with your post.

#12387

Posted by Seattle_Music at 11/4/08 11:47 p.m.

Oh how I wish my brother were alive to see this day, along with Barack Obama's grandmother and all the people who worked so hard to bring us to this historic moment!

We have come so far, all of us born and raised in the days before the Civil Rights Movement changed everything.

My sisters can remember the "Whites Only" signs on the water fountains and diners all over Louisiana and Mississippi, including the water fountains at the state capitol building in Baton Rouge. We remember them closing the public pools to prevent them from becoming integrated. We remember not being able to play with black children or sit down at a table to eat with black Americans, even people we loved as dear friends. It "wasn't done" and if word got out, it might mean social ostracism for us, but it could invite torture or even death for them. Those were ugly, ugly times.

I remember the sit-ins, the marches, the assassinations, the speeches and prayers, the National Guard being called in to quell the violence and enforce integration, the painful, glacial evolution away from hateful oppression towards reconciliation, towards recognition of how STUPID it is to judge someone--to hold them back from their full potential, their full contribution to the human race--because of the color of their skin.

People who think of Barack Obama's historic victory as being "only" a victory for African-Americans are missing the point: his victory is a victory for ALL OF US, for each and every American.

Look how far WE have come!

#12388

Posted by proudtobe at 11/4/08 11:48 p.m.

After forty short years after "MOVE TO THE BACK!" Too damn cool!

#12389

Posted by T-1000 at 11/4/08 11:53 p.m.

Klake quit fooling yourself, anything but "change."

Obama should not have even been on the ballot in the first place, we do not even know if he is a natural born citizen as stated in the constitution. Oh well this picking and "choosing" (fellow libs of course) is just something well have to get used to.

#12390

Posted by proudtobe at 11/5/08 12:02 a.m.

Pardon me.
whining already?
Landslide!!!

#12391

Posted by Markor at 11/5/08 12:03 a.m.

As great as this is, I'm looking forward to when it's no big deal what skin color the president-elect has.

#12393

Posted by saw at 11/5/08 12:07 a.m.

Love the latest rendering, (your drawing of Obama walking to the White House and waving to the young folks in the woods) David.

What a night!

#12394

Posted by proudtobe at 11/5/08 12:15 a.m.

Posted by saw
What a night!

Indeed!

#12396

Posted by jem1 at 11/5/08 12:17 a.m.

"lets hope he does not reinstate the draft and force the weak and illiterate to defend this country" is one of the most stupid, demeaning, statements ever made about all of those who served as either draftee or volunteer through war and peace. There were no "weak and illiterate" personnel in the long periods prior to the "all-volunteer" forces. Some of the most talented and strong men served with distinction no matter in what status they served. Just another example of the false claim of military and veteran status by "Klake"'s phony picture. No one who actually served would ever make that disparaging comment about any veteran.

You who see this clown as just flaky need to take another hard look at the drivel he spews. It ain't funny or cute, just stupid.

Although a new day has dawned, there is still a long way to go to eradicate the ills that continue to infest this country in the mindset of the "klake"s and his fellow travelers.

#12397

Posted by kyber's Dad at 11/5/08 12:18 a.m.

MLK's "I have a Dream is REALIZED!!

We've TAKEN BACK OUR COUNTRY...HALLELUJAH!!

#12398

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 12:21 a.m.

Love it David. Again capturing the moment in a picture.

PRESIDENT OBAMA

God that feels GREAT!

This is a long time comin' & we're just getting started to get America back where she belongs. There's so much to do. Let's enjoy the moment with our eyes on the future.

#12399

Posted by KingNothing125 at 11/5/08 12:25 a.m.

Yes we did!

#12400

Posted by Listers_curry at 11/5/08 12:30 a.m.

T-1000,
you're rambling, man. you're making typos and not making sense. drop it now. the fbi, the cia, homeland security were all fooled by Obama? really? is that how little you think of these agencies that are charged with keeping us safe?

"...better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt..."

TommyTelephone, gdsah, whidbey, gig harborite, boondox, and most of all big R-where are you? taste a little bitter in your mouths?

boondox-go back and read all the crap you've posted on these blogs over the past few weeks. who's the fool with the open mouth? suck on it.

#12401

Posted by proudtobe at 11/5/08 12:32 a.m.

Hi there you all!
But considering the last few weeks isn't all this just honey and ambrosia?
And yes it feels Great!

#12402

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 12:36 a.m.

Yeah ,those typos are a cardinal sin with you hypocrites.

#12403

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 12:42 a.m.

Those documents are "sealed" genius, I have not heard any of the mentioned agencies make a public declaration of their authenticity. But again it's just "rambling" the next scandalous issue, "not that big of a deal" just keep minimizing idiots you cannot fool all of us. The typical liberal damage control method.

#12404

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 12:44 a.m.

"...better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt..." You should take your own advice.

#12405

Posted by proudtobe at 11/5/08 12:46 a.m.

People the world over — many of them in countries where the idea of a minority being elected leader is unthinkable — expressed amazement and satisfaction that the United States could overcome centuries of racial strife and elect an African-American — and one with Hussein as a middle name — as president.

"What an inspiration. He is the first truly global U.S. president the world has ever had," said Pracha Kanjananont, a 29-year-old Thai sitting at a Starbuck's in Bangkok. "He had an Asian childhood, African parentage and has a Middle Eastern name. He is a truly global president."
Exactly!

#12406

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 12:51 a.m.

"He had an Asian childhood, African parentage and has a Middle Eastern name. He is a truly global president."
Exactly! Not exactly, a U.S. president, but hey I'm just rambling right Lister's?

#12407

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 12:51 a.m.

proudtobe,

Great post, thanks...

This goes a long way towards repairing our standing in the world. I am so thankful that America made the right choice this time, on so many levels.

#12408

Posted by Tenochtitlan at 11/5/08 1:04 a.m.

Bravo, Horsey. Bravo, Obama. Today is simply historic.

#12409

Posted by Southee at 11/5/08 1:29 a.m.

Not to be a jerk or anything, but I cannot help but point out that Obama is half-"white," the other half being sourced to an African student (a one-time elitist, no less) who parachuted-in briefly in the early 1960s and then took-off to return to his own country. I am, therefore, not sold on Obama being some great symbol of the achievement of "African American" hope. I don't recollect that any of his forbears were held in bondage, at least not in the United States, or had to fight to overcome Jim Crow. Not in Hawaii, at any rate. Beyond the very superficial matter of pigmentation, people who insist on viewing this as some victory for a multi-century civil rights movement are, I dare say, looking at this thing rather superficially through through misleading lenses that just happened to be conveniently at hand - the lenses of race consciousness. Anyone who underestimates this guy by, for example, type-casting him as some kind of racial hero does so at their peril (I say that with admiration of his skill and determination, incidentally). Just wait until he reveals that he is not going to kneel in obeisance to every cause to which the fans believe their "saint" should respect. We will then hear a different tune, I am sure. Will he get a pass, anyway, just because he is "African American"?

#12410

Posted by Jeremy Anderson at 11/5/08 1:42 a.m.

First, kudos to Horsey. Your cartoon literally had me in tears.

Second, props to McCain. His concession speech showed an incredible level of class. Pity about the booing, yelling idiots he was reading it in front of. We needed to see more of that McCain during the campaign.

Finally, congratulations to Barack Obama, 44th President of the United States of America. Yes. We. Did.

#12411

Posted by proudtobe at 11/5/08 1:46 a.m.

Posted by,
Southee
"Not to be a jerk or anything,"
Sorry, but you are. Just go back and read your own post.

#12412

Posted by itsabouttime at 11/5/08 1:58 a.m.

History has been made. I hope some more good comes from it.

#12413

Posted by Jeremy Anderson at 11/5/08 2:06 a.m.

Using an unnamed appendage T-1000 writes:

Exactly! Not exactly, a U.S. president, but hey I'm just rambling right Lister's?

White, Anglo-Saxon, provincial, conservative. Nope. Not that kind of president.

Speaking as a very white, Anglo-Saxon kind of guy (my peeps were here before yours. Plan on it), the McCain/Republican campaign reminded me more than anything of that all-but-final scene in Trading Places.

You can't sell our seats! There's been a Duke on this exchange since it was founded!
...
Get those brokers back in here! Turn those machines back on!

#12414

Posted by unkanny at 11/5/08 2:38 a.m.

My biggest fear. They need to answer for their War Crimes.

They won't. I agree with the desire to hold the Bush administration accountable to the rule of law but I think it's clear from the tone of Obama's speeches that won't happen. It'd be too hard to prosecute Bush and still expect to work with people who think Bush is God's Gift to mankind. It's politics and it's pragmatism. Bush will skate free so Obama can conserve his energy and time to clean up Bush's mess.

Obama ran claiming 'change' - not 'justice'. The voters that mattered voted for him to provide that 'change' - avoid continuing down the wrong path and fix what's broken. They didn't vote for him to pursue abstract projects like reinforcing the rule of law.

Posted by T-1000: ... by insulting people who ask a a legitimate question AS STATED IN THE U.S. Constitution.

Care about the Constitution do you? So were you also concerned about habeas corpus, FISA, Geneva Conventions and 'secret memos' justifying torture? Because in the grand scheme of things, I think crimes against humanity rate slightly higher then whether, for example, McCain was born in the US or not.

#12415

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 2:58 a.m.

"Using an unnamed appendage T-1000 writes:

Exactly! Not exactly, a U.S. president, but hey I'm just rambling right Lister's?

White, Anglo-Saxon, provincial, conservative. Nope. Not that kind of president"

That "appendage" is my fingers typing, right Jeremy Spokane?

Unkanny
"They didn't vote for him to pursue abstract projects like reinforcing the rule of law." then

"Care about the Constitution do you? So were you also concerned about habeas corpus, FISA, Geneva Conventions and 'secret memos' justifying torture? Because in the grand scheme of things, I think crimes against humanity rate slightly higher then whether, for example, (Obama)was born in the US or not."

I did not mention these other abuses. But, since the rule of law does not matter your point is?

#12416

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 3:01 a.m.

Sounds like whites did not have a chance against Obama?

I am sure Hillary knows that now.

#12418

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 3:13 a.m.

I have no axe to grind on Obama. I just think a president should be chosen by other qualifications than just race, which as seen by your posts is the most important reason.

#12419

Posted by rptizzle at 11/5/08 3:30 a.m.

Viva Obama!

BTW, I thought McCain's speech was generous and honorable.

Wow, the stock market went up in Asia for the simple fact Obama won the election... what a difference it makes to have a leader that has great character!

BARACK OBAMA IS USA PRESIDENT AND WORLD LEADER!

#12420

Posted by ranger_of_the_north at 11/5/08 3:40 a.m.

CONGRATULATIONS PRESIDENT OBAMA! WE NEVER GAVE UP HOPE FOR CHANGE!

#12421

Posted by ranger_of_the_north at 11/5/08 3:42 a.m.

Everyone get a load of Klake's post. This guy just doesn't know when to quit or shut up. It's all over man.
Washingtn is true blue. GO OBAMA!

#12422

Posted by ranger_of_the_north at 11/5/08 3:44 a.m.

Btw, KLAKE and all his hicky supporters, the Dems have clinched it, that means "Barak Hussein Obama" (as you so fondly refer to him)is YOUR President. What's that? You're not going to obey any laws he enforces? You'll be "damned if you play by HIS rules"?

Well now wouldn't that make you, in essence at the very least, akin to those US-hating TERRORISTs you so frequently associate Obama with?

I know, I know Klake. The Bush administration was the Golden Age, the paragon (if you will), of Conservative rule. I know how all you COnservatives mourn for McCain, and utterly break down when faced with the fact that Geroge W will be stepping down soon. (sigh) To think that all the opression, lies and other corruption associated with the Divine Bush is going to come to an end... I truly feel for you Republicans, yessir I do say I do... not

#12424

Posted by Above-n-Beyond at 11/5/08 3:53 a.m.

As someone who is a staunch conservative and who voted for John McCain/Sarah Palin:

Congratulations to President-elect Obama...

and powerful cartoon, Horsey!

#12425

Posted by stam at 11/5/08 4:19 a.m.

Ironically, history will record that George Bush did more than anyone to make this great day happen.

#12426

Posted by wearemany at 11/5/08 4:37 a.m.

Amen!

#12427

Posted by Shipster9955 at 11/5/08 4:47 a.m.

First of all, congratulations to President Elect Obama.

"BARACK OBAMA IS USA PRESIDENT AND WORLD LEADER!"

It's a little early to make that call. He hasn't even been sworn in yet. Lets see what a few months in office and the Joe Biden predicited "international test" brings. All the man has done is ran for office.... The proof will be "in the pudding"

Senator McCain is a class act and will continue to be one regardless of what the future brings.

#12428

Posted by Glenn Sand at 11/5/08 4:51 a.m.

I Have a Dream Speech

May today be the first day of a new era in our country where no more attention is paid to economic class, race, gender, ethnicity, skin color, religion or ideology than we might casually make notice of the color of one another's eyes. Where states are not red or blue but red, white and blue.

#12429

Posted by John_Doe at 11/5/08 5:03 a.m.

Hopefully he expands affirmative action to help his less fortunate brothers.

#12430

Posted by C'est_Parfait at 11/5/08 5:08 a.m.

It is interesting that you post the signs "Jim Crow", etc. as Obama walks into the White House when it was the Democrat Party which began and upheld those institutions. I find it even more repulsive that you frequently impose them upon Republicans. I will admit that it is clever however, to perform foul deeds and put someone else up as the blame.... damned clever.

#12431

Posted by BikeDeacon at 11/5/08 5:30 a.m.

I agree with Above-n-Beyond on this one. Even though I voted for McCain/Palin - and believed them to be the right choice - I still say congratulations to Obama/Biden for what they have accomplished. It truly is a historic day.

#12432

Posted by julaybeeb at 11/5/08 5:38 a.m.

Mr. Horsey,

I have long been an admirer of your outstanding work, but never more so than today. Thank you for this very poignant piece!

#12433

Posted by paulfromportland at 11/5/08 5:44 a.m.

First of all, C'est_Parfait, the proper name is the DemocratIC Party - However, the Democratic Party is in no manner the same as that of the latter 1800s, nor is the Republican Party. It is as though they have switched personnas. But, as a historical side of your comment about beginning those insidious institutions, the Republicans in 1876 share much blame, when, following the buying off of Florida electors, Federal troops were removed from the South and the Republican Party turned it's back on the plight of the former slaves, for decades. Add to that the enmasse switching of Southern Democrats to the Republican side from 1964 to the present, the removal of the moderate and liberal Republican Congressional people who helped pass the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts and the old Southern Democratic nitwits morphed into the present RepuGlican Party. However, the new progressive DemocraTIC Party has rejected those ugly days of the past and Hope and Change has swept into, not only 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, but the entire nation.

And, as it is time for change, while Alaska Amber is a great "break-in brew", it is time for some great Hope and Change at Full Sail and Deschutes Breweries in Oregon. With Christmas nigh, how about some great Jubal Ale from Bend and Full Sail's marvelous Christmas Ale from Hood River? Or in the spirit of the moment, some Celebration Ale from Northern California. Prosit!

#12434

Posted by jondoe at 11/5/08 5:44 a.m.

WIN-WIN - Some got their sorta-black president, some got their sorta-white president. Even better - we all got rid of the bush infestation!!!
Also, it was nice to see all the American flags waving at Grant Park last night and not feeling excluded. I haven't felt that way about the flag for many decades, since it was co-opted by the far right as their personal weapon against all others.
(like palin and her stupid/desperate comment about southern Virginians being REAL Americans, and insulting the rest of Virginia... and the country)

#12435

Posted by tuddo at 11/5/08 5:52 a.m.

The one thing that allowed me to continue hoping during the Bush years was that, in America, freedom, justice and equality for all win out in the long run. This election showed more progress than I could have ever imagined while growing up in a segregated South.

Unfortunately, there are sometimes those who come into power who slow and halt, and even reverse, progress for a while. But, with patience and perserverence, America lumbers eventually toward those elusive goals.

Those Democrats, then in the controlling majority, who joined with Republicans and supported the Civil Rights Act of 1964 were warned by LBJ that they would lose the South for generations. Republicans swooped in and changed their platform to take advantage of the racism, bigotry and fear of equality that had blocked progress.

The last remnants of those Dixiecrats and their political allies are shown on the map of the electoral college by the current red states. The uneducated, ignorant and poor part of the South and rural Central US still cling to the old fear-based politics.

Thanks, Horsey for reminding us where we have been and the need to acknowledge those who struggled to move America forward. Now we look forward with renewed hope for freedom, justice and equality for all.

#12436

Posted by Obamaisamarxist at 11/5/08 6:02 a.m.

What an jerk.

#12437

Posted by DPW at 11/5/08 6:15 a.m.

Be careful what you ask for.

You may get it.

#12438

Posted by Fnord at 11/5/08 6:29 a.m.

America didn't elect a black man because of his race. America elected the best man who happened to be black. The man ran a great campaign and defeated two mighty political machines. He earned his victory. And that's the significance. Not that it was handed to him (it certainly wasn't), but that it wasn't denied to him.

McCain deserves credit for keeping the campaign from crossing the line. His speech last night shows that he understood the stakes and that he wasn't willing to win at any cost. As bad as the campaign became, it could have been much worse.

I appreciated that during his speech, McCain showed genuine anger when he shut up the yahoos who booed and yelled when he mentioned Obama. Contrast that with the respect that the Obama crowd showed when he mentioned McCain. Who are the 'haters' again?

#12439

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 6:37 a.m.

Congratulations, fellow Americans.

The electorate has clearly spoken.

President Obama has been given a clean canvas, and an opportunity to paint a future for our county that can only be accomplished with such a mandate.

It is time to look to the future. Let's roll-up our sleeves and join hands to help our new President. Great things can be done. Our children are watching.

I pray to God that Barack Obama is the greatest President of all time.

#12442

Posted by PastorRodFlash at 11/5/08 7:18 a.m.

T-1000: Not exactly, a U.S. president, but hey I'm just rambling right Lister's?

The loons, T-1000! Can you hear the loons?

#12444

Posted by Aphroman at 11/5/08 7:44 a.m.

It does not matter if Obama was not from American slavery ancestry or not. His position as an African American man in our society still carries the weighted value of historic, stigmatic prejudices placed on minorities. Some of you will never know those values, the painful stories, the scars, and the sense of relief and justice that we African Americans (and most minorities) are feeling today. Let us have our moment, even it is just one. Please don't devalue it with your opinions of affirmative action or the end of racism as we have much more to overcome and we shall not cast a shadow from one race's dignity over another. This is one man's journey that has opened the highest door in America. No one has yet to walk through it with him.

Let us enjoy this moment together, whatever colors your represent (including blue and red), and help our children reinvest in the commitment of the American Dream as we've had the amazing honor to witness.

#12445

Posted by Woodinvillian at 11/5/08 7:47 a.m.

It's a good day! I was glad to see McCain exit with such class. And glad that he hushed the people booing in the crowd. Congratulations to President-elect Obama! He will lead this country with grace and intelligence. I feel like I can breath again.

#12446

Posted by rawbaretoe at 11/5/08 7:55 a.m.

This is the AMERICAN DREAM! Not the corporate generated dream of endless material aquisition. Thank you Obama, thank you America.

#12447

Posted by Judge Mental at 11/5/08 7:59 a.m.

Wonderful image Horsey, thanks! I didn't know a political cartoon could make my eyes fill with tears.

Yes We Can. Yes We Did. Yes We Are.

#12448

Posted by uwhusky84 at 11/5/08 8:00 a.m.

I still think Palin is haaaawt!

#12449

Posted by jertheber at 11/5/08 8:05 a.m.

The time for change has come, to all those who thought their man was going to bring his party another victory, it's over. We are now faced with an incredible cleanup of government, Wall Street, the Military, and all things tainted by the royal family of Bush. I'll be watching to see if Obama has the fortitude to do what's necessary, or will he be just another politico who has spent too much time getting elected and very little time doing anything, I voted for the Man now I'm hoping he does the right thing by us all.

#12451

Posted by snocoguy at 11/5/08 8:15 a.m.

He's got TONS of work to do to clean up all the messes that the Idiot-in-Chief is leaving him next January. I think he's up to the task. I hope he is.

#12452

Posted by rwb77 at 11/5/08 8:25 a.m.

We can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. We can never be satisfied, as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as our children are stripped of their selfhood and robbed of their dignity by signs stating "For Whites Only". We cannot be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream.
I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal."

I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at the table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a state sweltering with the heat of injustice, sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice.

I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day, down in Alabama, with its vicious racists, with its governor having his lips dripping with the words of interposition and nullification; one day right there in Alabama, little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today.

I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together.

This is our hope. This is the faith that I go back to the South with. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day.

This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring."

And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania!

Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous slopes of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring.

And when this happens, when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!"

Well, I don't know what will happen now. We've got some difficult days ahead. But it doesn't matter with me now. Because I've been to the mountaintop. And I don't mind. Like anybody, I would like to live a long life. Longevity has its place. But I'm not concerned about that now. I just want to do God's will. And He's allowed me to go up to the mountain. And I've looked over. And I've seen the promised land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people will get to the promised land. And I'm happy, tonight. I'm not worried about anything. I'm not fearing any man. Mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord.

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Well done, Dr. King and President Obama.

#12453

Posted by bigcat at 11/5/08 8:26 a.m.

C'est Parfait,

Since when was U.S. Grant a Democrat? Those "laws" started during his administration. Better get your history straight.

#12454

Posted by bigcat at 11/5/08 8:30 a.m.

TT,

Did you have a stroke? Maybe an alien being has inhabited your body? You actully sounded like a decent human being this morning instead of your usual self. What happened?

#12455

Posted by bigcat at 11/5/08 8:32 a.m.

snocoguy,

Not that Obama won't do a great job(he will) but I doubt if he can even make a dent in the disaster that Bush the boob will leave him. God would have a tough time cleaning up this destruction.

#12456

Posted by Rod Handler Returns at 11/5/08 8:32 a.m.

I can't wait for all of the wing nuts to start talking about how their going to leave the country now that Obama was elected.

We can only hope they will keep their word, but since keeping their word is something wingnuts never do I bet they will just end up staying in the USA.

#12458

Posted by zzottt at 11/5/08 8:35 a.m.

Todays cartoon really stirred some feelings in me. I feel that the times are a changing and for the better for once.

#12459

Posted by mtOlympus at 11/5/08 8:37 a.m.

Before assuming office, the president-elect is constitutionally required to take the presidential oath:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.["
......
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President_of_the_United_States#Oath_of_office_and_term_of_office

#12460

Posted by Gig Harborite at 11/5/08 8:52 a.m.

I think President-elect Obama's greatest challenge will be to bridge the great divide of the previous 16 YEARS OF POLITICAL POLARIZATION this country has endured. I find it refreshing that a Bush or Clinton will no longer be leading this country...and hope we never see another member of either of these families in the White House!

#12461

Posted by guitar wrench at 11/5/08 8:53 a.m.

In 1970, I was a WASP and a Young Republican. I 1973, I put my Army uniform in a garbage can, outside the gate of a Army hospital, turned my back, and limped away. Last night I cried. I feel like I've got a country again. This morning, my wife said, "everything feels differant. I looked into her eyes and saw Hope. It does feel like a new world. My daughter is excited also, she wants to go to college and knows her poor, disable vet dad has no money. Surrounded by hope, I pray it's real.
Indictments after Bush is gone, will not be pardoned.

#12462

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 8:57 a.m.

guitar wrench -

That was beautiful.

Thank you for your service to this country. You, and all of us deserve better.

Peace -

#12463

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 8:57 a.m.

knob handler

You don't really fish with that thing do you?

From a historical perspective, I found an interesting fact. From 1937 to 1939 there were a total of 16 Republicans in the House and Senate. But given the power of Jim Crow during that period, they must have been very powerful and evil Republicans.

When Carter came into office and pardoned all the draftees who ran away to Canada, and finally granted Kerry his Honorable Discharge, I would venture to say there was exactly Zero Republicans in that group.

We're not going anywhere. In the good old US of A we can have both Guns and Religion.

In Canada you can only have beer.

#12464

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 9:04 a.m.

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 8:57 a.m.

From a historical perspective, I found an interesting fact. From 1937 to 1939 there were a total of 16 Republicans in the House and Senate. But given the power of Jim Crow during that period, they must have been very powerful and evil Republicans.


See post##12435

#12466

Posted by Amish at 11/5/08 9:09 a.m.

Congrats to the first almost-half African American president. Now can we please drop the race card?

#12467

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 9:15 a.m.

Capt Lewis

And your point is?

#12468

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 9:19 a.m.

TT -

Political affliations took a dramatic change during the civil rights era/last century. Does the phrase "Dixiecrats" mean anything to you?

#12469

Posted by viruslinus at 11/5/08 9:31 a.m.

Let's just hope that he lives up to the hype. I think he'll do well, I hope he does well.

Welcome to a new era America!

Congratulations to all those who voted!

#12470

Posted by Gig Harborite at 11/5/08 9:32 a.m.

guitar wrench,

I, too, served in our military from 1968-72 and I thank you for your service. I believe your daughter has every right to expect some help with college if she has applied herself and received good grades for her efforts. I disagree (if I understand your post) about indictments not being pardoned. If you (or anyone else) believes Bush or anyone else has commited 'war crimes', let's leave that to the world to decide that. If they choose to do that, let's make sure Putin is also tried for invading/killing his own people and that Hugo Chavez is tried for allowing a huge drug cartel to flourish (along with his neighbors in Colombia) in that region of the world.

If President-elect Obama and the Congress want to get "bogged down" in getting back at Bush during the next 2 years, their control of Congress will be short-lived. We have bigger fish to fry than Bush and Obama knows it. Obama's message is "change", not retaliation. The past is the past...let's not repeat it...just learn from it.

It's time to move on.

#12471

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 9:45 a.m.

GigH

I agree there's alot to be done and investigating this administration may not be ever undertaken and we may just have to "move on".

But also, the Constitution demands reparations, not retaliation. That's why the Founding Fathers wrote them into it. I feel Impeachment hearings fits that need for repair in this case. To ignore what Bush has done would also be criminal IMO. He has violated the Constitution after swearing to defend it, then wrapping his administration in secrecy to cover it up. This an American issue for the American people not the slippery slope containing Putin or Chavez.

#12472

Posted by Southee at 11/5/08 9:45 a.m.

Dear proudtobe at 11/5/08 1:46 a.m, who posted "'Not to be a jerk or anything,' Sorry, but you are. Just go back and read your own post." Prithee, I concede it's harmless to enjoy a moment of lightness that someone of somewhat darker pigmentation was able to completely blow-out the crude racist vote (something white Gore and Kerry could not, despite being white - what does that tell you?). I suggest people get over it quickly as Obama will be, number one, President and color will have very little or nothing whatsoever to do with much he will do or has to do. It's really a matter of perspective on how Obama's victory relates to race - if it does. That's my point. Unlike the tone of Horsey's sacharin cartoon, I do not view this victory primarily in a racial dimension as it's thrust is principally of the ABSENCE of race as a factor and the triumph of organization and discipline and not a little good luck and excellent timing. Moreover, from a cultural standpoint (and culture trumps melanin, doesn't it?), comparing Obama to Martin Luther King is inapposite on a direct level. Obama is not the heir of King, he is the beneficiary of what King sought - a post-racial society. The facts: his background is largely different from the broad base of multi-generational African Americans (the same could not be said of his wife) and he has had benefits and perhaps been saved from some of the harsher detriments that endemic racism unfortunately foisted on one particular ethnic/cultural group for hundreds of years. That's a good thing. The promise is of the end of some sorts of identity politics, if not the actual achievement of such, at least at this point. Again: President, not racial "hero" (which is, after all, the reverse of which would be racial pinata for extreme right-wingers, which you sure would not like). So savor the moment, and move on.

#12473

Posted by guitar wrench at 11/5/08 9:45 a.m.

Blog sounds like something you leave on the sidewalk for someone else to step in, and I have never done this before. Something feels differant today. Maybe I can be differant. But I keep looking back.
I left N Dakota to be in That War. My 18th birthday was at Fort Lewis. I had never been around black people before. I liked the way they spoke and they called me Brother. I wore a black arm band, made out of shoe string, and I never felt alone. We were all trying not to be eaten by The Big Green. After I got out, these same people did not trust me and I felt that I'd lost my brothers. I've seen poor people, not just of color, go to prison for drug offences, while rich and famous,get treatment and go on. I've always thought that my genation would change things, but we've gone for the hand over fist greed and got mine attitude that politics of this country seems to inspire. Is it time to look upon one another as Brothers ( or Sisters) again. The race card has always been just another tool to keep us apart. Can we welcome this as a New Day??

#12474

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 9:50 a.m.

Lewis

Without strong Republican support the Civil Rights act would have never passed.

It sounds like you are blaming Republicans for corrupting Southern Democrats. Sorry, Captain, that argument just doesn't hold water.

If the Democrat contolled unions hadn't objected so strongly to the Civil Rights Act, and welcomed Blacks people into their organizations, the Great Society would not have been so harmful to Black families.

One of the biggest challenges President Obama will face it how to repair the family structure of the Black community? How do we do this?

During the early days of his candidacy, Obama sounded a whole lot like Bill Cosby. Wouldn't it be great if the average African American family was like the Cosby family?

Maybe, with his mandate, President Obama will realize that he can be much like a Supreme Court Justice. He can do the right thing, without regard to political considerations. Or, he can begin running for his second term and let Pelosi lead us.

#12475

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 10:06 a.m.

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 9:50 a.m.

Lewis

Without strong Republican support the Civil Rights act would have never passed.

It sounds like you are blaming Republicans for corrupting Southern Democrats. Sorry, Captain, that argument just doesn't hold water.


It sounds like? What it sounds like is you are putting words into my mouth. I loath conservatve Dems almost as bad as Reps. Obviously this is a bigger issue than just Republican or Democrat.

There's plenty of blame as well as accolades to go around when it comes to the history of this country. Any party can play both sides. It's like having your dog bark, then your neighbor yells at you to shut him up after you listened to his dog bark the previous night.

I don't hold myself to one party, never have, never will.

I voted for hope with Obama. I hope I get it.

#12476

Posted by FUSSBUDJET13 at 11/5/08 10:08 a.m.

Never thought it would happen in my lifetime.Never would think my Mom would vote for a black man,she did.Best of luck Barack and U.S.

#12477

Posted by Candice B. Trew at 11/5/08 10:19 a.m.

First let us congratulate President Elect Barrack Obama on a job well done. His speech last night was his most eloquent to date.

We have noticed that today there is not too much, if any of the drivel from the right. We assume they will lay in wait for any opportunity to start again.

To Mr Obama we say, you have very litte time. On January 21st, 2009 it all becomes your fault. We have no doubt you have the capacity to do a great job. We look forward to great things from you as the president of all americans.

To Mr McCain, we have no doubt you wrote your own concession speech. It was like the McCain of old the one we admired had finally resurfaced.

We are confident that those who you relied on to advise, hijacked your candidacy and made you in to someone who was unrecognizeable. We'll never really understand what happened to your campaign over the last few months. What we are confident of is that if you held tightly to your own values and principles last night's results might have been different.

CBT

#12478

Posted by Oh_For_Pete's_Sake at 11/5/08 10:22 a.m.

Nice one Horsey...so true.

I see there's still a few right wingnuts slithering around these posts. Klake though continues his psychotropic induced rants despite everything. But no pithy comments from whidbey, or boondox, or seatawk. Feeling a bit humbled are we? Good.

So I took some heat from these loons a few months back when I predicted that Obama would win. Just as a reminder, the word I wanted the righties to remember was: "trounce"

Yes, I'm gloating, and "trounce" Obama has.

Now the mandate is clear and we've witnessed a turning of the page the likes of which will define my generation from here on out. An analyst on NBC put it well when he pointed out that the post-Boomers are now in charge, and have brought a new sense of hope and inclusion that previous generations could never muster.

Best of luck and all of our hopes go with Obama as he works to move the US and the world in a new positive rational progressive direction.

Welcome back USA. We missed you.

OFPS

#12479

Posted by Amish at 11/5/08 10:28 a.m.

Inclusion.....as long as you share the same ideology.

#12481

Posted by Candice B. Trew at 11/5/08 10:34 a.m.

Posted by Amish at 11/5/08 10:28 a.m.

Inclusion.....as long as you share the same ideology.

That thing you taste is sour grapes.

So what you really want, is to have everything your way and then you will feel included. Inclusion means you get included only if you wish to participate in the process. It does not mean you get to have your way every time. That would exclude every one else from the process.

Get it? Got it? Good!

#12482

Posted by ALPS at 11/5/08 10:35 a.m.

Thanks, David, for a beautifully rendered and moving image.

The election of Barack Obama as President is not just something for African-Americans to be proud of. It's something that all Americans can be proud of.

#12483

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 10:37 a.m.

Capt Lewis

OK, so rather than posturing around the subject, why don't you bless us with an argument.

Not either Republican or Democrat? This gives you an opportunity to always blame others with impunity.

I've always never made up my mind.

#12484

Posted by Candice B. Trew at 11/5/08 10:41 a.m.

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 10:37 a.m.

"I've always never made up my mind."

We noticed
CBT

#12485

Posted by Glacierman at 11/5/08 10:50 a.m.

So, we get a try at Socialism. God help us.

#12486

Posted by snesich at 11/5/08 10:52 a.m.

Great cartoon, David. It's a great day in America.

But I'd like us to take a minute to think about the courage and determination of Fannie Lou Hamer---a largely unsung hero of the civil rights movement. If it wasn't for the bravery and commitment of Fannie Lou Hamer, Barack Obama's triumph would have never been possible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fannie_Lou_Hamer

http://www.fannielouhamer.info

Rest in peace, Fannie. This one was for you.

#12491

Posted by tuddo at 11/5/08 10:56 a.m.

Idaho_No_Udaho,
Your disgusting cartoon based on fear and hate proves my point in my last post (12435) that the states painted red in the current electoral map harbor the last remnants of the uneducated, ignorant supporters of fear-based politics.

For those of you wondering what the cartoon is about, don't bother. It comes straight from some white supremecy group in the backwoods of Idaho.

#12492

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 10:58 a.m.

TT -

I do lean towards the Dems, no doubt. But I do not register to a single party. I hang with plenty of moderate Republicans too. I'd like to think I'm a Progressive American. Also, I don't want to be blind to any parties shortcomings as well as strengths. I have to admit though, the current Administration has gone so far right that I have all of a sudden become a hard left liberal, when I had been rather moderate.

You want me to create an argument? I was only responding to yours.

For one, I was not accusing anybody of corrupting anyone. Dixiecrats are self corrupting in my mind, as it can be with any party. I would like more choices for politics but this is what I have to work with.

My point, of which I thought I already made in response to your supposed sarcastic assumption that it was only a handful Republicans who enforced Jim Crow (am I right in assuming you were laying blame on the Dems?). I wanted to point out that there were plenty of conservatives who followed along, be it either Dem or Rep. Each party has their nuances. Hence, my reference to Dixiecrats. Not all Dems are Dixiecrats or Reagan Democrats. Thank God.

BTW - Could you provide some info regarding unions and the Civil Rights act? I'm getting scant info on the 'net as I look to study the issue. I got to run, but will try and check back for anything that you could provide.

#12493

Posted by mtOlympus at 11/5/08 10:58 a.m.

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 10:06 a.m.

"I voted for hope with Obama. I hope I get it."

**************************************************
That's like Horsey's cartoon - full of optimism - the light at the end of the dark tunnel .... for ALL Americans and for the rest of the World!

Please pet the Lab and tell him ....... from me.

Best regards!!!!

#12494

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 10:58 a.m.

CBT

Since you're demanding it, here's one -- DingNut

#12495

Posted by jazna1 at 11/5/08 10:59 a.m.

CONGRATULATIONS! I can't believe we actually did it! We elected an extremely intelligent, educated world citizen with vision and courage, not to mention class and perseverence. I'm so proud of us! Now let's get to work and make America strong again. We're all in this together. I'm under no illusions that everyone is happy right now. Change can be challenging and difficult. But it's going to be alright, all you neurotic fear-mongering last century people. Regardless of your age, this is a new era and we may as well all just buck up and be positive. OBAMA/BIDEN 2008! YAY U.S. of A!

#12496

Posted by Amish at 11/5/08 10:59 a.m.

Posted by Candice B. Trew at 11/5/08 10:34 a.m.

Posted by Amish at 11/5/08 10:28 a.m.

Inclusion.....as long as you share the same ideology.

That thing you taste is sour grapes.

So what you really want, is to have everything your way and then you will feel included. Inclusion means you get included only if you wish to participate in the process. It does not mean you get to have your way every time. That would exclude every one else from the process.

Get it? Got it? Good!


I think you are misunderstanding. No sour grapes here, I would love to be included. Only I'm a republican, and it's been made perfectly clear that y'all "loathe", "hate" "despise" republicans. We're stupid, bigots (pot/kettle), hateful (pot again). How is that inclusive, I ask? That's not sour grapes. I'm happy for Obama, and happy it's over, but he's going to have a hard time uniting the nation when you libs are so full of venom that your heads are about to burst.

#12497

Posted by snesich at 11/5/08 11:01 a.m.

I'll make a deal with our right-wing brothers and sisters: We won't gloat and "rub it in" if you don't whine, pout and pray for our new president to fail.

Deal?

Also, every time you cry "SOCIALISM" I invite you to think about the following:
Police Department
Fire Department
Schools
Roads
Military
State Colleges and Universities
Social Security
Medicare
and on and on and on and on and on.

Do you consider any of the above "Private for Profit Enterprises?"
Wake up and smell the coffee: "Socialism" has been in the United States for a long time. What you most fear is already here. Now, we're going to have people in charge who actually believe in our government and its ability to get things done, as opposed to people who only saw government as a way of steering taxpayer dollars to private contractors and cronies.

#12498

Posted by Dale_Reed at 11/5/08 11:03 a.m.

Obama had a white mother and was raised by his mother and his mother's white parents so he is a white man with an African father. None of Obama's ancestors experienced slavery in America so Horsey's cartoon is misleading at best.

Obama is a Harvard educated intellectual who for political reasons has chosen to emphasize his sorta black color. I assume it was his idea to run for president but that "Black Widow Spider" dress that his wife wore last night makes we wonder. I hope the media eventually reports on where he really got all the money to run his very expensive campaign.

For sure we sure could use a change for the better in the USofA so lets keep our fingers crossed that we have not jumped from the frying pan into the fire. Especially after Bushey created Homeland Security and OK'd torture.

#12499

Posted by jazna1 at 11/5/08 11:04 a.m.

Note to T100 - in case you haven't realized, Mr. Obama would not have been elected if not for the whites voting for him. However, as has been stated before, we did not vote for Mr. Obama because he is black. (That even sounds stupid.) He got elected bcause he is a visionary leader and many AMERICANS responded to him. This might be a good time to get outside and breathe some fresh air. There are no boogymen in the bushes. OBAMA/BIDEN 2008!!

#12500

Posted by Glacierman at 11/5/08 11:11 a.m.

"We should never despair, our situation before has been unpromising and has changed for the better, so I trust, it will again. If new difficulties arise, we must only put forth new exertions and proportion our efforts to the exigency of the times." --George Washington

#12501

Posted by summer_merc at 11/5/08 11:43 a.m.

Congrats again, Dave. Wonderful piece of art.

#12502

Posted by BenStatic at 11/5/08 12:01 p.m.

In fact - I think that was one of the most pleasant tones Klake has had in his posts about Barack Hussein Obama.

I think he is supportive of the guy and sees some challenges, but is wary of him. Obama still has a lot to prove for a lot of people. That is fair.

#12503

Posted by ASeattleCitizen at 11/5/08 12:04 p.m.

The Media Won!

#12504

Posted by Candice B. Trew at 11/5/08 12:05 p.m.

Posted by Amish at 11/5/08 10:59 a.m.

I think you are misunderstanding. No sour grapes here, I would love to be included. Only I'm a republican, and it's been made perfectly clear that yall "loathe", "hate" "despise" republicans. We're stupid, bigots (pot/kettle), hateful (pot again). How is that inclusive, I ask? That's not sour grapes. I'm happy for Obama, and happy it's over, but he's going to have a hard time uniting the nation when you libs are so full of venom that your heads are about to burst.

We certainly did misunderstand and for that our apologies.

We are too used to the attacks from your side to stop and think someone may actually wish to be involved. You see liberals are not the only group with their share of one sided closed minded individuals.

CBT

#12505

Posted by Candice B. Trew at 11/5/08 12:14 p.m.

TommyTelephone

Which side is the Dingnut? We're never sure which side of your mouth your proselytizing out of.

SMIRK
CBT

#12506

Posted by Seattle_Music at 11/5/08 12:18 p.m.

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 6:37 a.m.
I pray to God that Barack Obama is the greatest President of all time.

Well said, T.T.

I am praying with you.

#12507

Posted by tuddo at 11/5/08 12:19 p.m.

capt lewis, you asked for info regarding unions and the Civil Rights act

There are a lot of histories about the 1964 Civil Rights Act that talks about unions' involvement. In a nutshell, the unions were a cross-section of American opnions. The AFL-CIO refused to take national leadership roles and left it up to the individual constituent unions. So, in the North, there was much support for the law, while in the South, there was little support.

Most of the unions supporting it wanted exemptions for unions, allowing them to keep their past practices which kept many African-American members in low-pay jobs, in only part-time employment or out of union hierarchy, especially in the South. The United Auto Workers, however, based mainly in the industrial Mid-West had a large Black union membership and supported the law vigorously. They, too wanted exemption for internal union practices, however to be able to keep the status quo.

In the end, LBJ's persuasive abilities triumphed, and the unions agreed not to punish those Congressional members who voted for the law which did not contain the exemptions unions had wanted for themselves. Even though this was luke-warm support, it made the difference in many key House votes and allowed Congress members to vote their conscience.

#12508

Posted by Zephyr77 at 11/5/08 12:21 p.m.

I'm thinking of sending a "Thank You" card to GWB/Cheney for all their efforts in helping get Obama elected as the next president...it couldn't have happened without them!

Anybody else want to do the same?

#12509

Posted by seattleman1969 at 11/5/08 12:48 p.m.

Two items worth saying here:

1. African Americans can NEVER AGAIN say that they do not have the same opportunities as everyone else.

2. In 4 years the Democrats cannot blame ANYTHING on the Republicans.

#12510

Posted by Candice B. Trew at 11/5/08 12:49 p.m.

Posted by Zephyr77 at 11/5/08 12:21 p.m.

I'm thinking of sending a "Thank You" card to GWB/Cheney for all their efforts in helping get Obama elected as the next president...it couldn't have happened without them!

Anybody else want to do the same?

Might as well send one to the entire republican party. Never in american history have so few done so much to tick off so many.

CBT

#12511

Posted by Candice B. Trew at 11/5/08 12:51 p.m.

Posted by seattleman1969 at 11/5/08 12:48 p.m.

"In 4 years the Democrats cannot blame ANYTHING on the Republicans."

Sure we can. We learned how from you four years after Clinton left office.

CBT

#12512

Posted by CatfishBiff at 11/5/08 12:54 p.m.

Oh yes, isn't this great. We all now live in the land of milk and honey. Where do I get my handouts. Who's gonna pay my mortgage. Where do I get my new car.

I can only HOPE this guy knows what he's doing.

Ya, tax those companies making over 250,000 a year. So we can pass that along to our consumers, raise our prices, freeze our hiring, let our consumers look for better deals offshore.
Great Idea.

I HOPE this guy can work with everyone like he claims.
If not

#12513

Posted by dawsonct at 11/5/08 12:55 p.m.

TT, google Nixon's southern strategy to see how the Republican party took the opportunity to recruit the racist ignorant Dems who originally claimed that party simply because it was not the party of Lincoln. Playing on people's fears, prejudice, and ignorance is ultimately destructive to any political movement, and after 40 years has brought the Republican party to it's knees. The Republicans will continue to be marginalized by mainstream America as long as they choose to stay in their far right gulag along with the christianists, racists, and the Rand acolytes who take advantage of their ignorance.

To address another tone I've noticed throughout the thread, the point of the cartoon was not how Barack overcame the stigma of being a descendent of slavery, he wasn't, but how America finally seems to be taking steps to move beyond a time when we judge a person by their skin tone. The unrestrained joy and relief I saw in the faces at Spelman College and throughout the crowd at Grant Park told me that those young men and women don't really care what Barack Obama's family history is, instead they saw a face that looked like their own. And they saw a huge and frustratingly impenetrable wall continue to crumble in front of them. At that moment a huge segment of our society knew that the final obstacle to acceptance was a task that absolutely can and will be overcome.
As can be told by comments made during and since the campaign, we have a long way to go, but a new era is certainly within sight.

#12514

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 1:00 p.m.

Tuddo wrote

In the end, LBJ's persuasive abilities triumphed, and the unions agreed not to punish those Congressional members who voted for the law which did not contain the exemptions unions had wanted for themselves.

Tuddo and Lewis,

So what was LBJ's carrot to get the unions to agree to not punish the congressmen? It was The Great Society, which rewarded Southern Blacks for not going after those union jobs. The cancer that was The Great Society then spread to the rest of the nation.

Prior to the Great Society, the incidence of fathers abandoning their families was roughly equal between Black and White families. The Great Society, for all its good intent, destroyed the self esteem of our Black brothers.

#12515

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 1:15 p.m.

Dawsonct

I know you guys would like me to start whining, but as far as I'm concerned, the subject of the presidential election is finished.

I'm only here to discuss forward looking solutions, and of course tweak your rubber noses when necessary.

Even with that, I'm going to try to stay positive.

I forget who said it:

The Past is History, The Future's a Mystery.

#12516

Posted by Silverbullet at 11/5/08 1:18 p.m.

If everyone is so proud of the fact that race wasn't an issue in theis election, why is it that 94% of the black vote went to Obama? Just asking.

#12517

Posted by LGrant at 11/5/08 1:21 p.m.

Race isn't an issue, right? I read that Obama is not black. He is 1/8 black, 3/8 arab and 1/2 white. But then, race isn't an issue, right?

#12518

Posted by Whistle Berries at 11/5/08 1:23 p.m.

Hmmm...

Yes, George W. Bush and his minions deserve the credit for the Obama victory; and, it might be fun to send him a "thank you" card. However, he does not read his mail. Therefore, it would be a waste of 42 cents.

Instead of sending a thank you card, how about donating $25 worth of brand name food products, or cash, to your local food bank. They really need the help. That might be a good way to help celebrate victory and the chance of positive change.

For all those who said they would be moving to Canada if Obama won the election: If you need any help packing; or, if you will need a few $$ to help toward your gas, please let me know.

Now is a very good time to get your butt in gear, because there is no line at the border yet. www.wsdot.wa.gov/Traffic/border/

Though, rumor has it that Canada has already set up roadblocks to turn back any McCain supporters; because the Canadian government does not accept immigrants with obvious mental defects. It might be a good idea to check on that before selling everything and packing for the move.

It would be awful to get to the border with a fully loaded moving truck, only to have to turn around and head somewhere else in the U.S.

However, maybe the Canadians would let you pass through to Alaska. Another rumor has it that more people are planning to have Alaska secede from the U.S. Maybe that will become Governor Palin's renewed interest.

#12519

Posted by Listers_curry at 11/5/08 1:25 p.m.

T-1000,
"'...better to be thought a fool than open your mouth and remove all doubt...' You should take your own advice."
i'm not the one advocating that Obama pulled the wool over the collective eyes of the fbi, the cia and homeland security and got elected President even though he is not a legal citizen. you are, buddy. stand firm in your belief, ace, and i will stand firm in my belief that if there were any question of Obama's citizenship, he wouldn't have got anywhere near the US presidency. let humanity decide which of us is the fool.
oh, and the typos and nonsensical phraseology in your postings last night were the QWERTY equivalent of hyperventilating.

TommyTelephone- re: #14329 thanks for your fair spirit and thoughtful words.

boondox, whidbey-again, where are you? klake checked in a long time ago. you could take this chance to come off as gracious losers, like TT.

#12520

Posted by Sibil at 11/5/08 1:39 p.m.

"I said the same thing to my neighbor across the hall. I would have voted for McCain (this was the McCain from 2000).

So caring, so real."

You got it Darth.. That was the REAL John McCain we saw last night... Glad to have him back..

#12521

Posted by Sibil at 11/5/08 1:48 p.m.

"Only I'm a republican, and it's been made perfectly clear that y'all "loathe", "hate" "despise" republicans. '

Oh REALLY, Amish???

"Chelsea is the new Whitehouse Dog!.." Rush Limbaugh.

"I hope you get AIDS and DIE!!" Michael "Savage" Wienier.

"We should invade them and convert them all to Christianity.." Anthrax Coulter.

"Go "F" Yourself". Dick, "Darth" Cheney on the Senate floor..

Want to rephrase your post, Amish??

#12522

Posted by Amish at 11/5/08 1:57 p.m.

I'm sorry, are you somehow comparing me to these far-right, out-of-touch conservatives? I ABHOR Rush Limbaugh, always have and always will. What point are you trying to make here?

I don't have to rephrase a thing, but you should probably chill out a bit. Your guy won, still not satisfied? I'm not surprised at all.

#12523

Posted by PETHERAM at 11/5/08 2:09 p.m.

Okay, so I'm thinking all this means some of us are glad Obama won and others are not. I do like thinking of him as a president who just happens to be black. And I do the political cartoon is an exaggeration, but aren't they all? AND I'm thinking why do those other guys who're posting negative stuff want to rain on my parade, but then, obviously, I'm a President-elect Obama suppporter.

Here's my question, though: is President-elect Obama the first black world leader (other than in African nations, the Caribbean, etc.)? In other words, is this a world-wide phenom? I'm asking if he's the first in countries like England, Australia, Canada, France, Ireland, Switzerland, Holland, Norway, Germany, Russia, etc., etc., etc., the usually caucasian types.

#12524

Posted by tuddo at 11/5/08 3:21 p.m.

TT, you wrote Prior to the Great Society, the incidence of fathers abandoning their families was roughly equal between Black and White families.

I'd sure like to see studies that show your data. No text or study I have seen supports that theory. Slavery, the forced breakup of families, lack of jobs and inability to get credit caused many Black families to breakup or fathers to migrate to the North to get work. Often, wives and children stayed behind in the South. The recognition of this caused some stop-gap measures to be created during the 1960's, like Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC). Many Northern states allowed all families poor enough to qualify to receive this aid. In the South, however, states balked at allowing any family with a working age husband to get assistance, even on a short-term basis. With males severely discriminated against in the South in employment, and the states unwilling to assist in education or emergency support if there was a male, many moved away to find work.

For decades, Southern states fought work components in welfare programs because they would then have had to acknowledge that Blacks were discriminated against and could not get wages that would support a family in the South. As enforcement of the Civil Rights Act became more common and Black males were able to obtain employment, welfare was changed to include a work component, starting with experiments in states with little or no discrimination, like Wisconsin and Minnesota.

History is often much more complex than blame-placers would like to imagine. Without the Great Society social programs, we would be an even greater apartheid society.

#12525

Posted by SportsDepressed at 11/5/08 3:21 p.m.

Hopefully 4 years of no more wack jobs marching in the street, damaging property, holding up traffic for misc liberal causes.

#12526

Posted by equalibrium at 11/5/08 3:22 p.m.

"Go "F" Yourself". Dick, "Darth" Cheney on the Senate floor..

oh come on, who hasn't dropped that line?

#12527

Posted by klake at 11/5/08 3:26 p.m.

Posted by mtOlympus at 11/5/08 10:58 a.m.

Posted by capt lewis at 11/5/08 10:06 a.m.

"I voted for hope with Obama. I hope I get it."

**************************************************
That's like Horsey's cartoon - full of optimism - the light at the end of the dark tunnel .... for ALL Americans and for the rest of the World!

Please pet the Lab and tell him ....... from me.

Best regards!!!!

The one thing I do know about a dark tunnels is if the light is moving your direction you better get off the tracks. That light will more than likely be a train attach to it.

#12528

Posted by SportsDepressed at 11/5/08 3:39 p.m.

"I can't wait for all of the wing nuts to start talking about how their going to leave the country now that Obama was elected."
No ...that's a leftest tradition.

#12529

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 3:40 p.m.

Equalibrium - A hypocritical liberal of course.

Well then Listers why are the records sealed? What's with the sheriffs outside the hospitals keeping media and PI's from reviewing the documents and you still did not answer my question about, why their is not some public declaration of authenticity. So just continue to be a selective nitpicking hypocrite like most liberals and worry about your own great sentence structure genius or you will just keep reinforcing the first part of this sentence. It's called being stuck on liberal.

#12530

Posted by Oh_For_Pete's_Sake at 11/5/08 3:41 p.m.

PETHERAM, no, Obama is not the first black world leader. There actually have been many black men and women leaders going back to ancient Egypt up to Nelson Mandela (indeed most leaders of countries on the African continent are black). Some were/are good people; some were/are not.

But, if you understood the history of Africans in America, you'd understand the significance of Obama's achievement. The African experience in America has included slavery, a constitutional definition of 2/5 of a person, post civil war constructionist promises broken, white supremacist violence, Jim Crow laws, a segregated military, no voting rights, murder of black luminaries such as Malcolm X and Martin Luther King, stereotyping and marginalization, and on and on. Obama's parents were a bi-racial couple at the height of the Civil Rights movement; no doubt suffering bigotry.

Obama represents a break with that past and a new hope for the next chapter of American history characterized by inclusiveness, humanism, rationality and progress. He further represents the true character of America as a land of many races, cultures and beliefs. That's what makes us unique in the world, and as Obama to deftly pointed out, it's our essential strength as a nation.

Of course there are still nutjobs out there who live and breathe racial hatred, like the white power whacko who posted a link to a racist cartoon on this blog. These people are scum and an embarrassment to our national sensibility.

And while you'll hear folks argue that Obama's only half-black, his mixed race background only serves to represent the multi-racial character of America.

Get it?

OFPS

#12531

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 3:52 p.m.

Oh yeah Listers I am talking about natural born citizenship NOT his U.S. citizenship.

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States." U.S. Constitution Article II, Section 1, Clause 5:

#12532

Posted by DowntownTaylor at 11/5/08 4:05 p.m.

Congratulations and thank you, President-Elect Barack Obama!

#12533

Posted by PETHERAM at 11/5/08 4:14 p.m.

Dear Oh-For-Pete's-Sake,
Did you really think I was asking about African nations? OR that any of us needed an American History lesson. Oh, for Pete's sake!
I didn't ask for a lecture. Stuff like that makes people think they really have a reason to be ugly about my president-elect.
AND since you didn't give me an answer, I'll repeat the question.
"Here's my question, though: is President-elect Obama the first black world leader (other than in African nations, the Caribbean, etc.)? In other words, is this a world-wide phenom? I'm asking if he's the first in countries like England, Australia, Canada, France, Ireland, Switzerland, Holland, Norway, Germany, Russia, etc., etc., etc., the usually caucasian types."
Don't try to make it more than it is. I just want to know so I don't have to spend tons of time on the internet researching it myself. Anyone have any ideas? And please don't give me the Zimbabwe, South Africa, Jamaica answers. Nor do I need a lecture on American history.
I'm looking for the less obvious.

#12534

Posted by T-1000 at 11/5/08 4:24 p.m.

PETHERAM - Yes

#12535

Posted by DAVIDRF at 11/5/08 4:51 p.m.

Ah, yes. Now it's all over but the conspiracy theorists like T-1000 continuing to grouse about whether or not Obama is a US citizen or not. Have fun.

Re: 12527 Good grief....a post by klake that was concise, to the point and entertaining. I think that's a sign of the Apocalypse..... ;)

#12537

Posted by spoook at 11/5/08 5:27 p.m.

Wow how refreshing! I must say this is truely amazing to see most posters even hard core right wingers (except for that knucklehead Klake) congratulating Obama on the first steps of a long hard journey. I don't see him so much as a messiah like so many seem to right now, but a chance for positive change. I'd rather have somebody more moderate but I think that may be impossible with American politics and special interests anymore. I would also like for people to stop with the race card, Obama is as much white as he is black.. but that aspect gets little press.

I do think one of the major things he brings to the table immediately is reparation of our extremely tarnished world image after 8 years of roughshod arrogance. Good luck President elect, you're going to need it!!

#12538

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/5/08 5:29 p.m.

Posted by tuddo at 11/5/08 3:21 p.m.

TT, you wrote Prior to the Great Society, the incidence of fathers abandoning their families was roughly equal between Black and White families.

I'd sure like to see studies that show your data. No text or study I have seen supports that theory.

Tuddo

I have this thing called Google. It took a good five minutes to find this. It is part of a study by Philosopher, Andrew Bernstein, this segment from Jesse Jackson

During the Depression, the marriage rate for black Americans was higher than for whites, though blacks were considerably poorer. Through the 1940s and 1950s, unemployed black men were as likely to marry as were their unemployed white counterparts. Greater than 80 percent of black families in New York in 1905 were headed by the father. In 1925, only 3 percent of black families were headed by a woman under twenty. As of 1950, the percentage of black families that consisted of husband-wife households was 78 percent; as late as 1967, the ratio hovered in the range of 72 to 75 percent.All of this changed in the post-1960s period. Between 1950 and 1963, the illegitimacy rate rose from 17 percent to 23 percent of all black births. As early as 1965, facts such as these prompted Daniel Patrick Moynihan to claim in his famous report, "The Negro Family: The Case for National Action," that disintegration of the family was the single greatest problem confronting black Americans. But concerned people such as Moynihan had seen nothing yet.7

By the late 1960s and 1970s, the welfare system was in place, and its effects were fully felt. In many cases, families never formed, as AFDC payments allowed men to reject marriage and full-time employment. In New York City in 1970, 600,000 children belonged to welfare families, of whom 445,000 had no fathers in their lives. By 1980, 48 percent of black babies were born to single mothers, compared to 17 percent in 1950. In that same year, 82 percent of all children born to black girls aged 15-19 were illegitimate. By 1998, the illegitimacy rate for black children stood at a staggering 70 percent.8

The news is equally grim regarding the trends in LFP. In 1954, 85 percent of black males aged sixteen or older were participating in the labor force, i.e., were either working or actively seeking employment. Such a high figure was not unusual, for black males had been participating in the labor force at rates as high or higher than white males back to the turn of the 20th century. But from 1966-1976, the black reduction in LFP was 271 percent higher than for whites, with the overwhelming preponderance of the decline centering on young males aged 16-24. However, older black men (those born before 1950) showed a significant rise in employment during the same period. This means that young black men were showing vastly less interest in working than had their fathers, grandfathers and even older brothers. Something had changed for those who reached their late teens in the late 1960s and 1970s.9

Regarding crime, the situation also deteriorated. In the decade of the 1950s, the rate of homicide victimization dropped 22 percent for black males despite the fact that blacks were increasingly moving into large cities where crime tended to be the highest. Further, the elderly who have lived for decades in black urban neighborhoods repeatedly report that life in those neighborhoods was not especially dangerous in the years leading up to the late 1960s. This is a claim borne out by police records. Black Americans had no pre-welfare-state history of crime rates comparable to those of the welfare period. Since the late 1960s the rate of violent crime has soared in the once-relatively-safe black urban neighborhoods. Black men today are murdered at twice the rate they were in 1960. Half of all the murder victims in the U.S. in 1995 were black, though blacks compose but one-eighth of the population. An anonymous survey of criminal victims conducted by the Census Bureau shows that 80 percent of black victims of violent crime report that the perpetrators were black. In 1993, Jesse Jackson stated, "There is nothing more painful to me than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery – then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved." Tragically for the black community today, the Reverend Jackson's feelings are grounded in reality.10

#12539

Posted by mabelle53 at 11/5/08 5:30 p.m.

I congratulate Barack Obama on his historic victory, but this is not the end of the "freedom trail."

We won't be there until WOMEN, too, break through the highest, hardest glass ceiling. I don't want to rain on this marvelous, historic moment, but I also want to remind you and other readers that Obama's victory represents one huge step forward for African Americans and for our country. Now it's time to take down the "No women allowed here" sign, as well.

"Women hold up half the sky."

#12552

Posted by sophie pritchard at 11/5/08 6:09 p.m.

Martin Luther King's dream has finally come true.

#12556

Posted by Josef-A-K at 11/5/08 6:14 p.m.

Posted by sophie pritchard at 11/5/08 6:09 p.m.

As a patriot who voted McCain: COUNTRY FIRST, damn right MLK's dream has finally come true.

As much as Obama's policies may make me mad, G*d bless America :-). Finally, a black person can lead the free world.

I just hope certain parts of Prez-elect Obama's past (e.g. voting present, some of his friends, strident pro-abortion views) are no indication of his Presidency. Let's hope America can stop a few genocides, cure some diseases and make an energy transition under President Obama's watch.

#12565

Posted by LGrant at 11/5/08 7:14 p.m.

Ah, yes. Surely we will be living in paradise by this time next year.

#12569

Posted by mtOlympus at 11/5/08 7:45 p.m.

Posted by klake at 11/5/08 3:26 p.m.

"The one thing I do know about a dark tunnels is if the light is moving your direction you better get off the tracks. That light will more than likely be a train attach to it."

***************************************************

Hey, liberals, don't worry!
..........
If he does, we conservatives will greet the news with our usual resolute stoicism or cheerful fatalism.
....
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/386165_kristolonline04.html

#12582

Posted by CalimlimTMZ at 11/5/08 10:08 p.m.

Epic win, Mr. Horsey. This cartoon is about the final step of "freedom." Barrack Obama has risen to the occasion and ran for president, facing a controversy that was caused because he was a soon-to-becoming president. As of Tuesday, November 4, 2008, history was made from Obama having become the first African-American president of the United States. The sign represents the other paths that led to other consequences, like the Jim Crow laws that restrained colored people, or the slavery of the minorities that overpowered the white people against the colored people.

Thank you, Horsey.

#12591

Posted by Listers_curry at 11/5/08 11:14 p.m.

T-10^3,
"So just continue to be a selective nitpicking hypocrite like most liberals and worry about your own great sentence structure genius or you will just keep reinforcing the first part of this sentence."
wow, with grammar skills like this, YOU should run for President! you could be the top-of-the-ticket nominee of the half-literate party 2012! go T-cubed!

do you even know what the word 'hypocrite' means? how, exactly, have i been hypocritical in this thread?

i did answer your question. unlike you, i am confident that the secret service, fbi, etc. have done their jobs when it comes to vetting Obama and everyone else who has ever won or come close to winning the US presidency. you have posited the theory that Obama is so smart, he has outwitted the most powerful nation on the planet by keeping his birth cert sealed and protected by black choppers, or whatever. if you turn out to be right, i'll buy you a...forget it, you're wrong. you're also a bitter, delusional sore loser.

#12595

Posted by T-1000 at 11/6/08 12:04 a.m.

Still stuck ... Uh Lister,

If you cannot figure it out at this point there is no use explaining to you, go take the WASL or something. That's your "Theory" not mine, I am just pointing out what he has done or not done. Schools out, Lister gets an F for reading comprehension.

#12599

Posted by dawsonct at 11/6/08 12:51 a.m.

TT
I don't see how anything in your post #12515 pertains in any way to what I was writing about in #12513. In contrast, what I was saying pertained to the mildly racist tone in nearly every one of your posts on this and most other threads on which I've seen you comment. After your first very eloquent and seemingly heartfelt post (#12439, worth checking out), things quickly went downhill with your "blame the victim first" rhetoric.

#12600

Posted by dawsonct at 11/6/08 1:03 a.m.

To whom it may concern (and of whom we should ALL ba concerned),

Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. - George Santayana

Choosing ignorance is to live a life without the pleasures of discovery.
...And potentially dangerous for those around you. www.darwinawards.com/

#12601

Posted by dawsonct at 11/6/08 1:06 a.m.

(and of whom we should ALL ba concerned),
...or be.

I'm going to get another beer, anyone want one?

#12608

Posted by TommyTelephone at 11/6/08 6:51 a.m.

Dasonct & Bigcat

You guys just love to analyze and discover racism, don't you? In your eyes a conservative has two choices, he can either be "Bipartisan" which means he agrees with you, or he's a racist. If you bother to read what I have posted and you don't get my point, you the think about it for a few seconds "Hmmmmm, Oh yes, TT's must not agree with us, therefore he's a racist."

I am a proud American, and I see myself as pretty moderate. I don't agree with much of what the Right or Left says, especially how both sides focus on abortion as the single most important issue. I am a Christian, but I am about as far away from Jimmy Swaggart as I could possibly be. My post #12439 was a genuine congratulations to the Democrats, and a commitment to try to help get our county through the tough issues we face. I never said that I was wrong and you were right. Obama will be our President. He will be my Commander in Chief for the next four years.

When I point to how American black people have suffered as a result of the welfare system, you analyze such a notion as racism. I guess this is an abortion type issue. " If every black family won the lottery, the world would be a perfect place". You know that is nonsense, don't you?

We've had over 40 years of the Great Society and it has made life for black people exponentially worse. You say what we need to make things better is more money. I say that you are wrong. What we need to do is find a way to raise a large part of our population out of a severe depression that is way deeper than money. We can't make a black family living in the projects into the Cosby family with any amount of money. I have a few ideas, but anything that would change the structure of the Welfare system, other than making the checks bigger, is racism.

I demand the right to disagree with stupidly no matter its complexion.

#12626

Posted by Colleen Harper at 11/6/08 9:31 a.m.

To T-1000,

Pardon me, but one candidate in this election cycle wasn't born on American soil, but it wasn't Obama. Obama was born in Hawaii, which was at the time, an American state, having been admitted to the union in 1959. John McCain was born in Panama, a foreign nation, on a military installation that was under treaty control. However, he was qualified to run for office because people born in American military installations are granted American citizenship. Of further note, since Obama's mother, and both of McCain's parents were American citizens as well, both our candidates for office were raised as American citizens, with American values of democracy and liberty, and both had the opportunity of exposure to the world as youths. Unless you can show that Obama was NOT born in Hawaii, then your claims hold no weight.

So, for point of argument, both Obama and McCain, by the laws of the land, DO qualify as natural-born citizens of the United States.

On the other hand, a certain governor from a state south of you is NOT eligible to run for the highest office in the land, because he was not a natural-born citizen of the United States - just in case you had hopes that a moderate Republican might stand a chance.

Just because you wish to believe in conspiracies is no evidence of a conspiracy, any more than the wish to believe in a flat earth proves the earth is flat.

Colleen Harper

#12638

Posted by Kevvin at 11/6/08 11:24 a.m.

What are the connections of Obama to slavery? The obvious answer would be, he is black and blacks were slaves. However, historically slavery included not only blacks but whites and virtually every ethnic group. Moreover, Obama is only 6.25% black; the rest of his African heritage is Arab--and it is Arabs who enslaved blacks as part of a Jihad against infidels.

Obama's positions on taxation, free speech, and a host of other issues indicates he wants more forceful power over private persons. Taxation is a form of slavery, and should be replaced by user fees for those who want to subscribe to government.

#12640

Posted by pelicanpete99 at 11/6/08 11:48 a.m.

Thank God

#12654

Posted by BluinMT at 11/6/08 2:00 p.m.

Now I hope to see a minority woman in the White House in my lifetime. Nice cartoon, but certainly full equality and fairness isn't here yet. I'm thrilled with this election and what it says about us, and with the world's positive reaction.

#12657

Posted by blueskypolitics at 11/6/08 3:24 p.m.

Thank you, Horsey. As usual, your eloquent images have few equals. However, I also bring a gift for you.

-----------------
Barack Obama, January 26, 2008, Columbia, South Carolina
(excerpt from Obama's remarks)

"...But we are here tonight to say that this is not the America we believe in. I did not travel around this state over the last year and see a white South Carolina or a black South Carolina. I saw South Carolina. I saw crumbling schools that are stealing the future of black children and white children. I saw shuttered mills and homes for sale that once belonged to Americans from all walks of life, and men and women of every color and creed who serve together, and fight together, and bleed together under the same proud flag. I saw what America is, and I believe in what this country can be.

That is the country I see. That is the country you see. But now it is up to us to help the entire nation embrace this vision. Because in the end, we are not just up against the ingrained and destructive habits of Washington, we are also struggling against our own doubts, our own fears, and our own cynicism. The change we seek has always required great struggle and sacrifice. And so this is a battle in our own hearts and minds about what kind of country we want and how hard we're willing to work for it.

So let me remind you tonight that change will not be easy. That change will take time. There will be setbacks, and false starts, and sometimes we will make mistakes. But as hard as it may seem, we cannot lose hope. Because there are people all across this country who are counting us; who can't afford another four years without health care or good schools or decent wages because our leaders couldn't come together and get it done.

Theirs are the stories and voices we carry on from South Carolina.

The mother who can't get Medicaid to cover all the needs of her sick child - she needs us to pass a health care plan that cuts costs and makes health care available and affordable for every single American.

The teacher who works another shift at Dunkin Donuts after school just to make ends meet - she needs us to reform our education system so that she gets better pay, and more support, and her students get the resources they need to achieve their dreams.

The Maytag worker who is now competing with his own teenager for a $7-an-hour job at Wal-Mart because the factory he gave his life to shut its doors - he needs us to stop giving tax breaks to companies that ship our jobs overseas and start putting them in the pockets of working Americans who deserve it. And struggling homeowners. And seniors who should retire with dignity and respect.

The woman who told me that she hasn't been able to breathe since the day her nephew left for Iraq, or the soldier who doesn't know his child because he's on his third or fourth tour of duty - they need us to come together and put an end to a war that should've never been authorized and never been waged.

The choice in this election is not between regions or religions or genders. It's not about rich versus poor; young versus old; and it is not about black versus white.

It's about the past versus the future.

It's about whether we settle for the same divisions and distractions and drama that passes for politics today, or whether we reach for a politics of common sense, and innovation - a shared sacrifice and shared prosperity.

There are those who will continue to tell us we cannot do this. That we cannot have what we long for. That we are peddling false hopes.

But here's what I know. I know that when people say we can't overcome all the big money and influence in Washington, I think of the elderly woman who sent me a contribution the other day - an envelope that had a money order for $3.01 along with a verse of scripture tucked inside. So don't tell us change isn't possible.

When I hear the cynical talk that blacks and whites and Latinos can't join together and work together, I'm reminded of the Latino brothers and sisters I organized with, and stood with, and fought with side by side for jobs and justice on the streets of Chicago. So don't tell us change can't happen.

When I hear that we'll never overcome the racial divide in our politics, I think about that Republican woman who used to work for Strom Thurmond, who's now devoted to educating inner-city children and who went out onto the streets of South Carolina and knocked on doors for this campaign. Don't tell me we can't change.

Yes we can change.

Yes we can heal this nation.

Yes we can seize our future.

And as we leave this state with a new wind at our backs, and take this journey across the country we leave with the message we've carried from the plains of Iowa to the hills of New Hampshire; from the Nevada desert to the South Carolina coast; the same message we had when we were up and when we were down - that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope; and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can't, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people in three simple words:

Yes. We. Can."

#12659

Posted by Ndw at 11/6/08 3:49 p.m.

Thank you for this, Mr. Horsey. It made me cry... but it was a good cry.

#12661

Posted by DBritt57 at 11/6/08 4:01 p.m.

Klake is a sore loser, he wont let ANYTHING get in the way of his nasty mindset.
Everything is polarized for you, eh, klake?

Horsey, you nailed it, great work!

I am proud to be an American today, so proud.

#12726

Posted by Will Clark at 11/6/08 9:41 p.m.

to the man redux

Just like Clinton handed a weak America to Bush. The reason we are in this mess, is not because what was done but what wasn't. If Clinton would have gotten his mind out of his pants and been more loyal to his family, I don't believe these wars would be happening.
War is a horriable thing, but it is worse to stand by and let evil presist.
As far as the financial crisis, Frank and Dodd should be your target.
Also, stop picking on Palin, you guys are making fools out of yourself and are losing creditability.

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