Friday, September 12, 2008

Violence in Bolivia

This week violent confrontations in Bolivia have leapt from one eastern department to another, like sparks in a wild fire, or a demonic plan.

On Tuesday it was Santa Cruz, where the Unión Juvenil Cruceñista converted itself into a mob, buring and looting government offices and the offices of the phone company Entel. Wednesday the violence spread to Tarija, when a mob of so-called "civicos" invaded the Mercado Campesino to destroy the offices of a local indiginous organization (CIDOB), leaving at least 80 people wounded.

Today the sparks of Bolivan-on-Bolivian violence blew up into fire once more in the department of Pando. A concentration of campesinos were headed to the city of Cobija to debate how they should respond to violent events in the country's east. They were met about 20 miles out of town by functionaries of the Governor who used heavy equipment to dig a hole in the road and block their entry. Soon after the standoff turned into a flurry of bullets leaving 7 campesinos and one of the Governor's people dead.

Where all this is headed next is guesswork.

Booted Ambassadors

Following the violence in Santa Cruz Tuesday, President Morales put in a call to Bolivia's Foreign Minister who was in a meeting with U.S. Ambassador to Bolivia, Phillip Goldberg. He called, according to press reports, to pass along the message that Bolivia was invoking its right to send Goldberg back to the U.S., an announcement he made on televsion shortly afterwards. Morales blamed Goldberg and the U.S. for inciting the Santa Cruz violence, citing the Ambassador's recent visit to two of the opposition governors.

This afternoon the U.S. moved into "an eye for an eye" mode and dismissed Bolivia's U.S. Ambassador, Gustavo Guzman from Washington as well. "In response to the unwarranted action and in accordance with the Vienna Convention, we have officially informed the government of Bolivia of our decision to declare Ambassador Gustavo Guzman persona non grata,'' Bloomberg News quotes a State Department Spokeswoman.

Hours later Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez jumped into the send-the-diplomats- packing competition, calling on the U.S. Ambassador in Caracas to leave as well. "Go to hell, shit yankees, we are a dignified people, go to hell 100 times," Chavez shouted at a political rally, according to a Reuters report. He also invited the Bush Administration to do the same to Venezuela's ambassador in Washington.

So far that means four ambassadors packing suitcases tonight, a flurry of last minute tickets going north and south on American Airlines, and that much less diplomacy at a time when diplomacy would be a useful thing.

The Case for Foreign Diplomatic Intervention

Amidst all the trilateral ousting of diplomats, the more sobering question still remains: Who will mediate in a Bolivian conflict that is bad and getting worse?

There are some essential facts we can agree on, I think:

First, it is quite unclear how this new round of violence will come to a peaceful end. The mobs of the eastern provinces are escalating their handiwork in blood and fire, not curtailing it. Key leaders in the burning departments are inciting more of the same, not calling for cooler heads. President Morales is not backing down on his resistance to the eastern leaders' demands nor can he send in the army to force his adversaries to back down. Television images of one set of Bolivian youths (the "civico" mobs) beating the crap out of other Bolivian youths (the Army's young conscripts) is a pale preview if Evo militarizes. Absent some form of mediation between the warring factions, Bolivia is headed toward an abyss.

Second, there is no one, no one, in Bolivia who can mediate. The Catholic Church lost that broad trust long ago. The Defensor del Pueblo isn't viewed as neutral and doesn't have the weight. There is no actor in politics, academia, or any other sector in Bolivia who has the clout.

Mediation is critical right now and it can only come from outside the country. And as a practical matter that mediation needs to come in a diplomatic form and it needs to come from the two Bolivian neighbors most affected most directly affected by the crisis – Brazil and Argentina. Each depends heavily on Bolivian gas exports and it is how the revenue from those exports is shared that is the center (at the moment) of the violence.

The two governments ought to act now to do the following. First, they should jointly call on all sides in Bolivia to cease the violence and honor a month-long cooling off period. They should then anoint a creative bilateral team of people that can garner wide respect in Bolivia – from human rights leaders to business people – to come and consult with both sides and suggest potential compromises.

There are some who will call this proposal naïve, noting that Bolivia's conflicts are not so easily solved. There are others who won't be able to get past loyalties to one side or the other – "Evo and the people should not back down to racist pressures," or, "The people of the east are trying to block the advent of Evo-authoritarianism."

But if you are walking down the street and stumble upon two people fighting each other with knives, you can sit around and debate who started it, or put that debate off until after you have separated them and stopped them from killing each other.

With nearly a dozen people dead, socres wounded, and more violence on the way, the most important task at the moment is to break up the fight. And diplomatic intervention from Bolivia's calmer neighbors is just about the last shot Bolivia has.

46 Comments:

Blogger El Grindio said...

After you stop the metaphorical knife fight, it would be prudent to understand how the fight got started.

Consider Chile's 9/11 for the modus operandi as to how the US ambassador and the CIA do their fascist groove thang:

'.. Nixon administration's two-track policy in 1970 to deny Allende the presidency: a plot to foil his ratification by Congress and the fomenting of a coup by some military officers and right-wing civilians, aided by CIA money and weapons.

When that failed, the White House declared a silent war to destabilize the Allende administration: slashing aid, denying export credits, refusing to renegotiate the Chilean debt, discouraging investment by American businesses and covertly funding strikes and terrorist actions against the government. Allende's Chile was judged a threat by President Nixon and his national security advisor, Henry Kissinger.

So, although the coup that put Pinochet in power was Chilean made, it was U.S. sponsored. "Our hand doesn't show on this one," said Nixon to Kissinger, according to transcripts of conversations between the two in 1973 -- made public only in 2004.' http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-munoz11-2008sep11,0,795790.story

Hmmm... the scenario above seems awfully familiar.

Say, didn't Goldberg secretly visit Costas and Marinkovic and the other prefectos of the rebel departments? Interestingly, Goldberg did not visit Cochabamba or the non-rebelling departments like Oruro . . . hmmm.

Didn't Marinkovic then go to the US for a couple of days and upon his return, all hell broke loose? It was almost as if he brought the funds to pay the thugs. . . hmmm.

12:56 AM  
Blogger Sayubu said...

Excellent, if everything goes as planned, we will not have the indio in power anymore, hopefully soon ... sweet !

Thank you Grindio, you gave me hope now.

2:05 AM  
Blogger Montserrat Nicolás said...

As long as they do not involve the OAS, all for the better.

The reaction is already there. Argentina and Brazil both vehemently opposes any change of government right now.

State can't handle this.

Bolivia is up for grabs. And we have all seen this movie before...

best-

By the way Jim, if any of you have the staff list of USAID/Bolivia, you should put it up on the web.

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4:09 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Evo is quickly loosing control of the situation here. He should have moved quicker to avoid the confrontations.

One idea would have been to negotiate with an open mind instead of calling the parties to the table and basically saying, "this is what we WILL do"; that goes for the Media Luna also. But, alas, the Latin Macho Pride runs deep.

Looks like the way out of this is for the new Imperialist Nation, Venezuela, to step in and quell the movement.

6:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

One more thing, it just dawned on me that in his statement Chavez proved himself wrong: "Go to hell, shit yankees, we are a dignified people, go to hell 100 times,"

Through this statement he shows he himself IS NOT dignified. Time calls this his "potty-mouthed rant". Tact would be an excellent trait that he could use.

6:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I sincerely congratulate Morales. By trying to distract the country of his own incompetence, he has inadvertently hastened his own destruction.

When he tried to ram an illegal constitution down the people's throat, he bought the noose to hang himself.

When he declared as illegitimate the social movements and regional governments opposed to him and attempted to perpetuate himself in power, he placed the noose around his neck.

When he kicked out the US ambassador due to (with no proof whatsoever...zero, zilch, nada) conspiring against him and allows the country to spiral into violence and lawlessness, he tightened the noose around his neck.

It's only a matter of time before he pulls the lever that will open the trap door. He'll never know what hit him.

What will be his legacy? Google "failure" and "trombone player" and "bad haircut" and his image will immediately pop up.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Bolivia is Morales' Katrina

8:14 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The following link says it all about the Angeleno Quasimodo aka El Grindio.

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http://www.travelandleisure.com/afc/2008/city/los-angeles

I apologize for having insulted your intelligence (the lack of it, that is) all this time. I feel like a bully.

;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

9:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

AA992 is not in business until Sunday at the earliest....Goldberg and Guzman might need alternative arrangements.

There is always El Chapulin Colorado to mediate...

9:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The US is free to do whatever it wants, just like Bolivia is free to do whatever the hell they want to do. The question is why did Allende's regime fall because there was a trucker's strike or some businessmen decided to put their lifesavings on a more secure location? Sounds to me that Allende's regime didn't have the strenght to stand on its own.

Bolivia, on the other hand, is not really dependent on the US. Sure we have some trade and lots of aid. But as long as Argentina and Brasil keep buying gas, we should be ok. Only the UMOPAR-like divisions of the FFAA have some loyalty to the US, otherwise the vast mayority of the military supports Evo.

Grindio once again has proven that he's spending too much time muff diving with russian models in his gated community, and too little time studying history.

Can you please tell us the role your parents played in Plan Condor? After all if they were buddies with Mesa, Banzer and Reyes-Villa, like you claimed earlier, it is very likely that they played a role in Allende's downfall.

10:35 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Now is the time to ask Gov. Bill Richardson to mediate in this Bolivian political quagmire
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(.)(.)

10:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

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I've been a bad boy and a bully. I just can't help myself. Do you blame me what with what a bad diplomatic host Morales-he of the bad haircut-has been? (even Cuchi Cuchi and the Ekeko know better)

You're such a lovely, lovely man. Could you help me? You're a retired marine, who knows all about discipline so maybe we can hook up? (And I don't mean just for spanking me for being a bad, bad boy.)

We can meet at the little boy's room at Viru Viru airport. Just peer under the stalls for my open stance. I'm all yours. Maybe we'll get lucky and meet that darling Phillip on his way back to D.C. and he could join us for a naughty romp!

Oh, about your wife... I'm not the jelousy type.


;-)

The Croats are Morales' Jews
Beni is Morales' Katrina

12:37 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

"Jealous" has an "A" in it. No "Y" at the end either. Among all that's going on here's still time for ignorance and stupidity. Whoever the copycat is, spend some time praying for your country.

So with the invite to voice an opinion, here it is. Well, Santa Cruz appears to be cut off. Folks are forming long lines for basic supplies; food, fuel, water, candles. They're trying to avoid the results of La Paz 2003 I suppose when morales and his minions put siege to that city. Now it's our turn. Right now I'm looking at options to get my family out. A bit selfish since our Bolivian neighbors won't have that option. My wife took my son to the doctor's office this morning... colds don't take a break for this kind of stuff. The doc told her that campesinos were inbound to the city with guns. Yesterday the rumors were of takeovers at Trans Redes and Unitel. Neither came to pass. Folks are nervous though. Most had little to do with what's going on right now. I'm not sure who the UJC is or how Jim knows it was them that started it. He forgot about the disabled again in his post. No reporting on the MAS violence either. Why is that Jim? I've never been a fan of the UJC and even less so now, but what I saw as far as the attacks on police... these guys didn't look all that "youthful". UJC no doubt got into it though. Whatever, there are some cruceñistas who seem to relish the mob mentality.

Pando has seen the worst of it so far though. Nine dead was the last report I'd seen. I'm not sure what way out there is here. Are we in Black February or Black October; can we "dialogue" our way out or does someone have to go. I’m hoping dialogue works. We knew this was all coming though when morales pushed through his illegal constitution. It doesn’t excuse the actions, but c’mon, did anyone doubt we’d get here eventually?

Meanwhile el Macaco Mayor is making an ass of himself... again. He’s practically begging the US to send in troops so he can come across as the new Simón Bolivar, the hero of Latin America. It's not gonna happen. The most likely foreign intervention is from el macaco. Enough.

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1:28 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We know McCains old school cold war mentality and we know Putin and Medveds old KGB mentality as well. If McCain should win the election what would it mean for Bolivia?

If god forbid this gets past the point of no return are we in danger of seeing a proxy war/standoff type situation in Bolivia between the Russian bear and the American eagle?

Serious question, is it possible or are those days in the past?

1:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Serious question, is it possible or are those days in the past?"

US has not interests in Bolivia beyond the cocaine trade. If the bear is waking up from a long slumber, Georgia, Ukraine and Borat's native land have far greater strategic value. There are some uneducated people that think our gas reserves are worth the blood of a few Marines, but they forget that in Alaska alone, the US has 100X the reserves. Longer term, even our lithium reserves are far more valueable than the gas.


They will most likely let Brasil and Argentina deal with the mess. The civicos would be fools to keep this up. They are forgetting that with plan 3000 + San Julian alone, they are far outnumbered.

Speaking of ghosts of xmass' past, am I the only one that gets the feeling that Quintana/Rada are in a contest to become Evo's Montesinos???

1:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually I fear for Venezuela far more than for Bolivia if McCain is elected.

When I was in bolivia a few months ago I heard several people (in the east) say that someone needs to shoot Morales. I thought this was the stupidest thing I had heard in a long time. The country is already close to exploding and that would certainly drive it over the edge. However a lady friend of mine from Argentina, who is very worried about autonomy votes spreading all over S. America, told me that usually if the head is cut off the rest of the movement dies very quickly. However, it seems very clear to me that if Bolivia is to have a democracy then an amayra or quechua indian should be president at least most of the time...perhaps they just elected the wrong person this time...sound familiar Americanos?


Jim I love your work. The US press has taken thier incompetence to a new level with this one. I have to watch latin tv (which i usually do anyway) to even hear anything about bolivia.

2:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Norman: Thanks for the post. All is quiet for now in CBB. According to AeroSur they are flying without problems to/from VVI even though AA has cancelled flights for the past few days (and into Saturday). If the airport remains open, VVI-EZE-MIA is viable. There must be a large number of nervous AA passengers in Santa Cruz at this point. Know anyone who's going through that?

Evo has lost control of this though I hear the Tarija Prefectura is meeting with him this afternoon. Evo also said last night "Nunca habria devuelto de la IDH..." (or so); it sounds as though negotiations will be futile.

We'll pray that God takes care of you, your family and others in this tough situation.

Cheers.

2:26 PM  
Blogger Norman said...

Thanks anon. It's much appreciated.

2:32 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have been against Evo's economic policy 95% of the time, but on this one I have to agree.

The Prefectos don't have any plans whatsoever for the IDH funds. They can't even execute what they have on budget and to make things worse you have Grindio's family friend Mamfred-Reyes using the money to buy $90,000 LandCruisers.

IDH money should not be blindly be given to the regions. It should not be even be used to pay salaries and overhead, civicos should collect their own taxes to pay for their own bureocracy. I actually believe that the vast mayority of the IDH money should be reinvested in YPFB, but I know I'm alone on that one.

2:45 PM  
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3:48 PM  
Anonymous Diego said...

I disagree with the comment af anonymous after Norman.

With the IDH, Tarija (which has the largest budget execution rate)was able to launch its universal health care coverage program. It was also able to build roads and had an affordable housing project for hundreds of low income peasant families.

A similar universal health care coverage program was also launched in the Beni and one was planned to be launched in Pando when Morales started slashing the funds.

On these two regions the percentage that they receive from the IDH is smaller, since they don't produce any gas. But take a moment and think about it: universal health care coverage in Beni and Pando, if you have ever to any of them I probably don't need to tell you that Beni and Pando are two of the most isolated and forgotten regions in Bolivia.

I will agree that there is corruption, and those responsible for it should be dealt with strongly and swiftly. Nevertheless, you are exaggerating the Manfred Reyes Villa case to sensationalize your point.

I am not defending Reyes Villa in any way. It was a poor and dumb choice of transport for the Cochabamba Prefectura. But if you go into Toyosa (which is the only Toyota dealership that sells new Toyota cars) the base cost of a new Land Cruiser without all the bells and whistles is $80,000.

Eighty-thousand is roughly the cost, taking into account the vehicle import tax and all the internalization tariffs, of a luxury SUV in Bolivia.

I will like to stress that the revenues that each state receives from the IDH were instituted in the Government of Carlos Mesa by a law, a measure that was championed by the MAS back then.

What Morales has done with his arbitrary confiscation of the resources that belong to the regions by law, is to disregard the rule of law in Bolivia, harm the little institutionality Bolivia has left, and divide my country with his caustic rethoric.

Once upon a time, the revenues of gas and oil were destined to YPFB, I ask you, how did that turn out?

4:14 PM  
Blogger El Grindio said...

2:45,

Good post, mostly. Agree 100% regarding reinvesting the IDH money. Said investment should be not just in YPFB but in development of petrochemical byproducts so that Bolivia's industry grows.

This is irksome: what's the point in referencing me as to Manfred? What did I have to do with how Manfred overpayed for vehicles or any of his financial dealings? I haven't spoken to him in a while. Further, I have reason to believe he ripped me off on a business venture long ago when I was a entrepreneurial lad who voted a straight Republican ticket. His mom's family is related to my mom's family and I had no sayso in that. Clearly, as I matured and became educated I developed values that distanced me from him. Also, back then Manfred was the darling of that branch of the family and was being groomed to be president as if it was his birthright.

Now, I have a few things to say and some questions for him when we next meet.

4:22 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lotsa trucks with soldiers and a couple water cannons here in Cochabamba. Looks like they were headed East. Rumor has it via the old highway.

4:58 PM  
Blogger El Grindio said...

4:58PM: "Lotsa trucks with soldiers and a couple water cannons...Looks like they were headed East"

Commanding General of the Armed Forces, Luis Trigo gave a press confrence. He said the armed forces will no longer allow the radical actions that ambushed and killed unarmed campesinos in Pando.

http://abi.bo/index.php?i=noticias_texto_paleta&j=20080912161225&l=200809120002_El_comandante_en_jefe_de_las_FFAA,_Gral._Luis_Trigo_(centro),_en_rueda_de_prensa._(ABI).

5:16 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The US likes a backyard full of “Banana Republics”. They are not happy with certain Latin American governments because its presidents refuse to be stooges. God only knows if Chavez’s claims of “assassination” are true but open any book and you will see American intromission against “unfriendly governments” through out the Latin region since Franklyn Delano Roosevelt’s “Big Stick Policy” in the beginning of the 20th century.

Bolivia’s problem stems from the actions of a criminal gang, Costas and Co., who thought it, had control of its guard dogs, the UJC and other such groups. Unfortunately for the gang, the guard dogs have broken their leashes and have become mad dogs on a rampage. They have cut down innocent lives in Pando, have surrounded Plan 3000 in Santa Cruz and interrupted the lives of countles Bolivians. The international press calls the mad dogs “rebels” but the average Bolivian calls them what they are, criminals.

Franco

“Sicarios usaron ametralladoras para asesinar a campesinos en el departamento de Pando”

“Filadelfia, Pando, 12 Sep (Erbol).- Los sicarios, presuntamente contratados por el prefecto Leopoldo López, usaron ametralladoras, escopetas y revólveres para asesinar a un grupo de campesinos en el municipio de El Porvenir, a 30 kilómetros de la ciudad de Cobija, capital del departamento de Pando.”

http://www.erbol.com.bo/noticia1.php?identificador=560&bdatos=notiportada1

6:13 PM  
Blogger El Grindio said...

Just spoke with a top attorney who represents the armed forces. I understand General Trigo and his wife are cambas. The armed forces are not backing up the government.

Write your congresspersons so that what Goldberg has set off does not blow up in Bush's face like Iraq.

7:47 PM  
Blogger Sayubu said...

@Grindio, so ... doing the right thing means Trigo is working for the CIA ?

What other top arguments can you come up with ?
UFO's are to blame for global warming ?

8:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sayubu: Was that suppose to be sarcastic? OF COURSE UFOs are to blame for Global warming.

One story regarding the incident in Pando is that the MAS campasinos killed the prefectura engineer in "sangre fria" and the opposition became enraged and fought back (killing 8). Could be that there is another side though we probably will never know.

8:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:13pm If these are criminals then it stands to reason that the people doing the SAME THING in 2000 (Cochabamba), 2003 (El Alto, Etc) and 2007 (Cochabamba) were criminals also. Why were they not punished? Why is Goni the apparent bad guy for his actions in 2003?

8:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sayubu, moron.

CIA is quite active in all these countries. They bribe, coerce, manipulate, etc. This is not new, this is not amazing, this is the common thing. Fuck, I EXPECT the CIA to be deep in all this, since this is its stated purpose.

12:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

since Franklyn Delano Roosevelt’s “Big Stick Policy”... ummm Franco, who's policy?

6:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"since Franklyn Delano Roosevelt’s “Big Stick Policy”... ummm Franco, who's policy?"


Thank you Anon 6:24 AM,

The Roosevelt was Theodore Roosevelt not Franklyn Delano Roosevelt. Teddy, as he was also known, was fond of the African Proverb "Speak softly and carry a big stick, you will go far."

Franco

____________________________

The US likes a backyard full of “Banana Republics”. They are not happy with certain Latin American governments because its presidents refuse to be stooges. God only knows if Chavez’s claims of “assassination” are true but open any book and you will see American intromission against “unfriendly governments” through out the Latin region since Theodore Roosevelt's , AKA Teddy, “Big Stick Policy” in the beginning of the 20th century.

9:37 AM  
Anonymous Diego said...

4:22,

"Agree 100% regarding reinvesting the IDH money. Said investment should be not just in YPFB but in development of petrochemical byproducts so that Bolivia's industry grows."

I strongly disagree with that statement. How can we invest IDH funds exclusively in YPFB or in the developmend of petrochemical byproducts after the rampant corruption that characterized YPFB in the past and the corruption that is eating it away now?

Does your family or yourself have a vested interest in oil industry?

Why not decentralize the funds of the IDH and have the prefecturas invest them as they see fit?

3:38 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Why not decentralize the funds of the IDH and have the prefecturas invest them as they see fit?"

Yes, The prefects should have the right to contract foreign mercenaries and dole out the IDH to their relatives and friends.

Forget the old and young of Bolivia. Give the prefects their IDH!

1:18 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

You know what's really funny? If not for the Conquistadors and their 500 years of oppression, the gas fields of the Chaco would never have found themselves in the same country as "Qollasuyu" and the latter wouldn't be able to steal those resources.

11:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The socialist type government that has evolved is the real culprit here. i have been to bolivia a few times and the corruption and bad government has always been the root of the problem. Since they hate the U.S. government and Chavez's Venezuela is helping, there will be blood on the streets and the people will still go hungry!

8:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

'Amidst all the trilateral ousting of diplomats, the more sobering question still remains: Who will mediate in a Bolivian conflict that is bad and getting worse?'

JUST DONT LET THE US MEDIATE. They are part of the problem. The \US ambassador to Bolivia had been involved in the seccession of Kosovo!
Leave it to the OAS, or UN.

BUT those who are committing violence in Bolivia are showing their contempt for democracy as shown in recent elections


Brian

12:04 AM  
Blogger Frank_IBC said...

I guess it's not suprising that fans of Morales are also fans of Milosevic.

12:50 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Frank wrote:
'I guess it's not suprising that fans of Morales are also fans of Milosevic'

What do Milosevic and Morales have in common: both are socialists work/ed for the good of their people, both are /have been attacked by capitalists who prefer that the govts serve Washington.

Brian

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