KSM Questioned About al Qaeda-Iraq Ties During Waterboarding

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First Posted: 05-15-09 11:27 AM   |   Updated: 05-15-09 12:21 PM

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Some of the first questions asked of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed upon his capture and during the time during which he was waterboarded were about possible connections between al Qaeda and Iraq, according to a review of several reports on U.S. intelligence operations.

The mastermind of the September 11 attacks was captured in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on March 1, 2003, and according to Office of Legal Counsel memos released last month, was waterboarded 183 times that same month.

The substance of the intelligence that was being sought from him has been an object of some speculation, with several defenders of the interrogation practice arguing that the goal was to prevent an impending attack on America. But a line buried on page 353 of the July 2004 Select Committee on Intelligence report on pre-Iraq war intelligence strongly suggests that the interrogation was just as centered on a possible Iraq-al-Qaeda link as terrorist activity.

"CTC [Counter Terrorist Center] noted that the questions regarding al-Qaida's ties to the Iraqi regime were among the first presented to senior al-Qaida operational planner Khalid Shaikh Muhammad following his capture."

Revelations that KSM was questioned about possible al Qaeda ties to Iraq at roughly the same time that he was undergoing waterboarding provides some key insight into the purpose of the CIA interrogations. A recently de-classified Senate Armed Services Committee report quoted army psychologist Maj. Paul Burney as saying that a large part of his time on a Behavioral Science Consultation Team was "focused on trying to establish a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq." McClatchy newspapers, meanwhile, published an article last month citing a former intelligence official acknowledging that the Bush administration had pressured interrogators to use harsh techniques to produce evidence connecting the terrorist organization and Iraq's regime.

The efforts at establishing a link never bore fruit. Burney went on to note that "we were not being successful in establishing a link between Al Qaeda and Iraq." Meanwhile, earlier in the July 2004 Select Committee on Intelligence report, it is noted that KSM was "unaware of any collaborative relationship between al-Qaida and the former Iraqi regime, citing ideological disagreements as an impediment to closer ties. In addition, he was unable to corroborate reports that al-Qada associate Abu Mus'ab al-Zarqawi had traveled to Iraq to obtain medical treatment for injuries sustained in Afghanistan."

That said, reports showing that waterboarding would be used as a means of establishing a link between Iraq and al Qaeda does appear to diffuse the notion that so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" were only being used in "ticking time bomb" scenarios.

Some former senior Bush administration officials have publicly echoed this version of events. "[W]hat I have learned is that as the administration authorized harsh interrogation in April and May of 2002 -- well before the Justice Department had rendered any legal opinion -- its principal priority for intelligence was not aimed at pre-empting another terrorist attack on the U.S.," wrote former Colin Powell chief of staff and prominent Bush critic, Lawrence Wilkerson, on the Washington Note, "but discovering a smoking gun linking Iraq and al-Qa'ida."


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Some of the first questions asked of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed upon his capture and during the time during which he was waterboarded were about possible connections between al Qaeda and Iraq, according t...
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Y'all do realize that the KSM shown here isn't "the real KSM who attended Chowan College, a small Baptist school in Murfreesboro, North Carolina, for one semester in 1983, and then transferred to North Carolina Agricultural and Technical State University (NCAT), where he completed a degree in mechanical engineering in 1986.
With this level of education and foreign travel, the real KSM would have a much greater command of the English language than what we find in the transcript.
The transcript reveals that the detainee's English skills are very poor, not what one would expect from a person who earned an engineering degree from an American university, as did the real KSM.
There were no defense attorneys or members of the press allowed to the secret hearing in which the military tribunal heard the confession of the alleged architect of 9/11."
"David E. Klett, a retired professor of thermodynamics, had the real KSM in several of his classes. Asked about the photos of the person said to be the terror mastermind, Klett said, "I did not recognize that person. I never saw that face before."
"Syed Saleem Shahzad, a senior political correspondent with the Dawn Group of newspapers in Karachi, Pakistan, reported in October 2002 that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed had been killed in a raid carried out by the FBI and ISI in Karachi on September 11, 2002"
http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=101203

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:02 PM on 05/16/2009

And they are not the only Khalid Mohammeds involved in terrorist or ISI activities, there was another, a Pakistani national who had lived in England at one time who, may have worked for the ISI and who was arrested in Pakistan and "tried" for complicity in the murder of Daniel Pearl. There are more than a few terrorists who use the same names, all the better to confuse.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:52 PM on 05/16/2009
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"Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi, whose false tortured confession was used as basis for Bush's war, has reportedly committed suicide...
British journalist and historian Andy Worthington, an expert and author on Guantanamo, reports that the man who had supplied a key false tie between Iraq and al-Qaeda --- after being tortured in Egypt, where he had been rendered by the U.S. --- has died in a Libyan prison. "Dead of suicide in his cell," according to a Libyan newspaper.

Worthington has excellent coverage of the story tonight, which, he says, is "ablaze" in the Arabic media, but so far unreported in all but one English language outlet"

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7133

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:59 PM on 05/16/2009

Why would anybody believe the Bush administrations account of 911 especially since they have been caught lying repeatedly and allways for nofarious reasons ? Of course 911 was an inside job and Obama is a coconspiritor for doing everything in his power to prevent a real investigation . Totrure is among the lesser evils perpetrated by Bushco that are easily provable . These guys should have been hanged for treason years ago .

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:28 PM on 05/16/2009

CHENEY IS A WOUNDED EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE UN-INDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR TO COMMIT WAR CRIMES. HE WILL HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO ROAR WHENEVER THE MEDIA RATTLE HIS CAGE.

The thing to see is what happens with more Congressional hearings. House leader Nancy Pelosi was caught off guard, it seems, when the Republican damage control machine finally started. The government has to keep the upper hand and inform the public on a regular basis that torture is illegal and treaties and federal law cannot be changed by secret to allow CIA to torture terrorist captives. It is unhealthy for American public and international audience to believe that law is unclear and the government can justify torture of terrorists if it is considered useful. Congress passed law a few years ago against out-of-control, secret CIA political assassinations. The logical followup would be to do now about torture, but this is question of pragmatic legislative process. Media cannot report accurately on complex political events. They go to political comedy shows and ideological debates by shrill commentators on MS-NBC and FOX. This is just reality to be accepted. Elected officials have to spend more time giving press conferences and appearing on moderate talk shows like PBS, ABC Nightline and so on. Public is getting used to seeing Pres. Obama give regular reports on his job. They see him as a college professor elected to repair federal government after Republican abuses. CIA is a troubled agency with a reactionary and violent history.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:33 AM on 05/16/2009

Don't be fooled by the main stream media and the Republican Pravda network and let them sidetrack you on the side show of Nancy Pelosi. This is nothing, but a cover-up to the Bushista crimes:

* The prime reason they had al Qaeda terrorist detainees Abu Zubydah and KSM tortured was not a ticking time bombe scenario, but an attempt by the Bushistas to solicit an Iraq-9/11 link. The Bushistas used that falsehood to lie us into an Iraq war..

* Torture for that purpose was clearly illegal -- even under the absurd memos justifying waterboarding by the Bushista lawyers. They said waterboarding could only be used if there was an imminent danger to this nation. The imminent danger was to the Bushista cover-up.

* Tricky Dickey' II's office, according to a a former NBC producer, ordered torture of an Iraqi detainee in an attempt to solicit an Iraq-9/11 link. They wanted one even if it was false.

* The torture of Zubydah was also likely a cover-up to his fingering the Saudi Roayl Family in 9/11. Do you really think it's a coincidence he was waterboarded 83 times after, according to two books by respected author/journalist Gerald Posner, he told interrogators that three princes made protection payments to al Qaeda and that one of the princes knew in advance about 9/11 and didn't tell us? Within less than four months after Zubydah made the allegations all three princes were killed in Saudi Arabia.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:49 AM on 05/16/2009

Did KSM confess to bringing down Building 7?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/09/17/barry-jennings-speaks/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:44 AM on 05/16/2009

Did KSM and his merry men confess to rigging the towers for demolition?

http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/04/04/thy-speech-shall-whisper-out-of-the-dust/

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:40 AM on 05/16/2009

if Khalid Sheikh Mohammed was the "mastermind' of 9/11 our CIA and FBI are laughable wastes of money and should be let go so they can work at convenience stores selling gum and donuts.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:38 AM on 05/16/2009

This is not a surprise: government departments all over the world usually provide legal advice on the validity of an action long after the action has been taken. The CYA principle.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:33 AM on 05/16/2009

May I have some of that "change you can believe in", please, and soon. If there isn't change this lifetime then the perps will escape. Cheney, Rumsfeld and their army of torturers, abusers and murderers have an abvious case to answer. In the minds of some they are war criminals. Come to think of it, in my mind they are war criminals. And we have entirely forgotten the names of the 1 million dead Iraqis, who would be alive today had their country not been attacked by a coalition of shocking, awful lies. If the law counts for nothing Pres. Obama will also. My hope is dwindling. Real changee better come, soon. A presidential name change isn't enough.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:10 AM on 05/16/2009

I heard at least two news commentators not on Fox call Obama "Bush Lite" this morning. Copy the successful surge strategy from Iraq to Afghanistan, carry on with the military commissions at Gitmo, fight court orders to release detainee photos...Do they have a point?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:33 AM on 05/16/2009

Would those who still feel they need more proof of the deviant, sinister purpose of detainee abuse kindly raise your hands? An attendant will be around with suitable me dica tion.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 07:30 AM on 05/16/2009
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Some part of the torture program seems to have been driven by sadists. I haven't heard or read about the effect these acts had on those who actually delivered the pain. It must take a special character to agree to deliberately cause harm to another. I'm sure you have to volunteer for the assignment. Excluding the doomsday or saving a loved one scenario; how many of us would be capable to fufill the task?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:14 AM on 05/16/2009

that is if we accept it as fact that torture even happened

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 01:21 AM on 05/16/2009
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facts are facts
your choice of accepting them or not doesn't change them

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 02:59 AM on 05/16/2009

A photo is worth a thousand words

maybe thats why they can't be released.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 AM on 05/16/2009
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Says the resident Social Darwinist who by his own admission is "OK with waterboarding." But then again, what does one expect from a self-declared "non-denominational capitalist?"

Still at your Bushevik nonsense I see, "wdw101/102/505, ad nauseum." Banned *how* many times again?

Still trying to sound rational in your intellectually dishonest defense of the morally bankrupt psychosis of the furthest, quack right of America's body politic.

No surprises...

Leland R. Erickson

Citizen

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 11:47 AM on 05/16/2009


Why would anyone care what _you_ accept or not?

You set out to prove your pretzeled irrationality and succeeded fabulously... and in record time. So take your Pyrrhic little victory, and vamoose.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 03:37 PM on 05/16/2009
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If waterbaording is torture, what do you call the actions of people like Saddam, Raul Castro, the North Vietnamese, North Koreans and others who dismember people, cut out tongues, gouge out eyes?

You might ask what kind of people can kill a daughter over perceived dishonor to the family?

You might ask yourself whether you would rather die in a terrorist act than ahve the terrorist subjected to extreme intterogation or torture.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:19 AM on 05/16/2009
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Waiting at the airport for my flight departing Cuba, I noticed a strange group of travelers. Many held white canes or had bandages over their eyes. I asked around and learned that the government of Cuba, which has one of the worlds most advanced clinics in treating ailments of the eye and vision, flies in people from all over south America for free surgeries to repair and restore lost vision. Dirty, stinkin Commies, right? I spoke to dozens of citizens, some who had been unjustly detained by, I admit, an overly zealous regime. Nobody ever mentioned anything in private conversation about mental or physical abuse at the hands of thier jailers, which is more than we can say about this country.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:36 PM on 05/16/2009
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When it's condoned and encouraged by the top, it's not hard to find 'servants' who gladly oblige, and maybe even enjoy sadism. All you have to do is look at those Abu Ghraib photos. Did you ever think you could see such ordinary seeming American soldiers gleefully posing for pictures to show the atrocities they perpetrated?
Yet, there they were.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:47 PM on 05/16/2009

183 / 31 = 5.9 times per day! This has to be a record (of a sad kind). I hope Obama will quit waffling and compromising like he has been doing and get tough on the torturers. America needs to regain the good reputation we once had among the nations of the world.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:52 AM on 05/16/2009
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3000/183 = once for every 16 people that the good sheikh helped murder.

But that wasn't the purpose. The purpose was to stop future attacks - which seemed to have worked.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 08:21 AM on 05/16/2009

The purpose, if you bother to read, was to find a link between Al Quida and Iraq.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 09:01 AM on 05/16/2009
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Stop future attacks, did it? Ask the 5000 dead G I's.

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 10:39 PM on 05/16/2009

Censors are ruining this forum! Why?

    Reply    Favorite    Flag as abusive Posted 12:21 AM on 05/16/2009
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