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June 29, 2009 8:07 AM PDT

Walkman vs. iPod

by Matt Rosoff

This is just a quick pointer to a hilarious post I ran across this morning: BBC Magazine invited 13-year-old Scott Campbell, to wear a vintage Sony Walkman for a day. He took the challenge seriously, and wrote up his impressions of the Walkman versus the modern equivalent.

The iPod of its day

(Credit: Esa Sorjonen via Wikimedia Commons )

Some choice excerpts:

"It took me three days to figure out that there was another side to the tape."

"I managed to create an impromptu shuffle feature simply by holding down 'rewind' and releasing it randomly."

"I'm relieved that the majority of technological advancement happened before I was born, as I can't imagine having to use such basic equipment every day."

The only advantage Campbell found for the Walkman was the fact that it had two headphone jacks, allowing listeners to share their favorite tunes with a friend. He also noted that the battery life was terrible at about 3 hours, but neglected to point out the (perhaps obvious) fact that at least the Walkman lets you get to the batteries to replace them--you don't have to send it back to the manufacturer or risk voiding your warranty. Another point I'd make for Campbell or other intrepid explorers: some Walkmans had a "reverse" switch on them that let you change to the other side of the cassette--that could be another nifty way to create an equivalent to the iPod's shuffle feature.

Now wait until he discovers Minidisc!

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Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995, and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network. Disclosure.
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by l3it3r June 29, 2009 8:38 AM PDT
"wait until he discovers MiniDisc"

Hell.. I STILL use my MiniDisc players..
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by ckh1272 June 29, 2009 9:14 AM PDT
I still have about 60 mini-discs myself. I went to iPods about six years ago, but there are times that I miss playing those mini discs. They were/are way better than CD as far as durability and portability. I used mine for about seven years before the iPod switch. In the end, it boiled down to not having enough time or room to search through about 5000 songs on minidisc while driving (I would have had to carry about 400 minidiscs to equal what I had on my iPod).
by CDubber June 29, 2009 9:04 AM PDT
"He also noted that the battery life was terrible at about 3 hours, but neglected to point out the (perhaps obvious) fact that at least the Walkman lets you get to the batteries to replace them--you don't have to send it back to the manufacturer or risk voiding your warranty."

Hmm, some of us actually "charge" our iPod *rechargeable* batteries when they run out of juice - we don't send them back to the manufacturer. ;)
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by this1! June 29, 2009 9:10 AM PDT
i think he meant when the ipod battery actually dies out. doesn't happen to everyone, but for those of us that have kept a single version of the ipod long enough. IT SUCKS.
by celticbrewer June 29, 2009 9:16 AM PDT
No, I believe he means that when the walkman's batteries run out of juice that you can just pop in a new set of batteries and continue on your way.

If you don't have a charger of some sort with you and your ipod battery dies, you're pretty much stuck until you can recharge it. Perhaps your on a 4 day camping trip- Do you have your solar or hand-cranked ipod recharger?
by solitare_pax June 30, 2009 2:53 AM PDT
Actually, there is a video on Youtube showing how you can charge an iPod with an onion and gatoraide - Lets see a walkman do that!
by livingaudio June 29, 2009 9:05 AM PDT
HAHAHA, i used to love sony "walkman's"
"It took me three days to figure out that there was another side to the tape." :-D hilarious ROFL
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by gsmiller88 June 29, 2009 9:11 AM PDT
He also noted that the battery life was terrible at about 3 hours...

True, but at least when the Walkman's batteries died, you could just swap them out and keep on listening. With the iPod you have to wait 3-4 hours :-L
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by muskratboy June 29, 2009 9:31 AM PDT
"I'm relieved that the majority of technological advancement happened before I was born"

kids are so ridiculously oblivious sometimes. i guess we're not counting on this genius to come up with the next great technological marvel.
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by Zer0Wolf June 29, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
Perfectly said, muskkratboy. These idiotic kids have no idea what an advancement it was at that time. IN this age, a real technological advancement/invention doesn't marvel them because they're so used to "cool" stuff that works the way they've seen it since they were a baby. It is also beyond the 13-year old's faculties to understand that moving components consume more power than flash-based ones.
I'm so glad I was a part of the generation that experienced the wonder of the walkman and saw the coming of age of current gadgets...
by G|Net June 29, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
LOL

I'd love to give this kid a portable 8-track cartridge player and see how long it takes him to find out there are four programs on it....lol...he could "shuffle" by hitting the program button a random number of times....

Another great quote from the article:
"I mistook the metal/normal switch on the Walkman for a genre-specific equaliser, but later I discovered that it was in fact used to switch between two different types of cassette"....LOL

Interesting to see the things that seem essential to kids today, like a shuffle mode....it points out the sorry state of radio today; people still like the thought of hearing a surprise in what's next on the playlist, but not if every other song sucks....
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by deeplyaware June 29, 2009 9:35 AM PDT
The iPod battery is non-removable and it has advantages and disadvantages:

It lasts longer on one charge
It's smaller
In many cases, people buy a new iPod before they have to replace the internal battery

vs.

Having to recharge it when it runs out


Honestly, I think the advantages are overwhelming. Think about it... do you buy a digital camera which uses AA batteries? There are some who do, but the majority doesn't.
Do you own 2 rechargeable batteries for your digital camera, so you can swap them when the first one runs out? You certainly can, but most people don't, because in real life, in most cases it's not necessary.

Not sure why people keep complaining about this. It's almost that they want to swap the batteries just because they know it's not possibly to easily do it.

I actually like Apple for having the guts to innovate in this area, with the iPod touch, iPhone and laptop batteries.
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by PCsRfun June 29, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
Actually, yes... One of my criteria when I have bought my previous digital cameras was that they must use AA batteries. I have a couple sets of high capacity NiMH batteries and swap them when needed. And if, I misjudge the battery life remaining or forget my second set when I go on a trip (has happened once or twice in the past 5 years), I can just walk into any convenience store and buy a set of disposable batteries to get me through until I can get to a charger. And when my rechargeable batteries become useless, they are rather inexpensive to replace.

So for my use, I'll take the camera with the AA's.
by Perry_Clease June 29, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
And it isn't like there isn't any external battery packs/chargers for iPods, iPhones and other such gadgets. If you can carry a bandoleer full of AA batteries then you can carry a magazine pouch with a external battery.

http://www.nextag.com/ipod-external-battery-pack/products-html

Or even roll your own http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2007/04/building-an-external-battery-pack-for-your-ipod.ars
by Mergatroid Mania June 29, 2009 11:22 AM PDT
Yes, I did buy a camera that uses AA rechargable batteries, and I get quite a few pictures before I need to change them. However, having more batteries available in the camera case to swap them out with means that I never have to wait for my camera to recharge.
Now, you may never take enough pictures to run your battery down, but other people do. Thank the powers that be for cameras with swappable batteries.
I would never buy any device I couldn't change the batteries on myself. I'm sure not going to send a device to the manufacturer and have to PAY them to swap the battery. That would be stupid.
by solitare_pax July 1, 2009 8:28 AM PDT
One of the key requirements for purchasing a digital camera for me is that it can take AA batteries, so when I'm out on a photoshoot and the batteries die, I can swap them out, either with rechargeable AAs or by going to the nearest store and getting disposable ones off the shelf. I did have a Sony Mavica that used the floppy disks (go ahead and laugh) with an extra propietery battery, and when the main one died, the secondary wouldn't always have enough juice for the job at hand. After that, I stuck with AA based cameras.

Of course there's a huge difference between an iPod (entertainment) and my camera (work that needs to be done).
by artistjoh June 29, 2009 9:36 AM PDT
He didn't mention if he had discovered other "features" of using tape. Besides having a second side there were the joys of tape hiss and tape stretch. There was also the times when a dirty tape would mean having to get out alcohol and a cotton bud to try to get the head clean. All of this for the pleasure of having no podcasts, no audio books, no video etc etc.

I, like many, would not appreciate going back to such limited technology.
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by Mergatroid Mania June 29, 2009 11:25 AM PDT
Actually there are lots of audio books available on cassette.
by paul.saulnier June 29, 2009 10:09 AM PDT
Another good quote:
"Another useful feature is the power socket on the side, so that you can plug the Walkman into the wall when you're not on the move. But given the dreadful battery life, I guess this was an outright necessity rather than an extra function."

Though, it's possible to plug an iPod into the wall as well, so this really is no advantage.

The real advantage of a walkman over today's iPods is that no one is going to mug you for a walkman.
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by protagonistic June 29, 2009 10:19 AM PDT
Thanks for the article. It made me think about being a kid and sitting in front of the huge radio box stuffed full of tubes listening to The Lone Ranger, The Shadow, Gunsmoke and lots of others. These kids don't know what they have missed. :-)
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by G|Net June 29, 2009 11:42 AM PDT
I agree, but I'm not old enough to have experienced the vintage radio days, but discovered them in the 70s (via cassettes!) and today listen to old radio shows on my iPod every night as I go to sleep....great melding of the new and old...
by simonjoker June 29, 2009 3:55 PM PDT
Oh yeah! The Old-Time Radio Network ( http://www.otr.net/ ) has tons of old shows - I've been on a Gunsmoke jag - William Conrad was a surly Marshall Dillon and used to humiliate Chester - very hard-boiled.

When I was a kid in the '50's I had a tube radio in my room (a small one - about the size of a toaster) and lots of radio drama was still on. I still actually prefer radio to TV.
by dumbspammers June 29, 2009 10:33 AM PDT
"at least the Walkman lets you get to the batteries to replace them" This is not really a problem if you don't buy the proprietary Apple iPod; generic MP3 players that cost 1/4 as much as the iPod tend to have the same sealed case style, but you can replace the whole unit so cheaply (for less than the cost of having Apple change your iPod battery) that it simply doesn't matter. And you can give the "dead" unit to your nephew who likes to tinker.
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by inanton June 29, 2009 10:49 AM PDT
deeplyaware That comment is hilarious... One of the advantages of the iPod is that "In many cases, people buy a new iPod before they have to replace the internal battery" :)

I dont think people wish to back to the Walkman. However I do think there are features which could be improved on the iPod. It is pretty drastic that if your battery dies, you have to send the iPod back to the manufacturer.
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by Perry_Clease June 29, 2009 11:08 AM PDT
"It is pretty drastic that if your battery dies, you have to send the iPod back to the manufacturer."

Well not necessarily the manufacturer, there are a number of 3rd party businesses doing iPod repair. And some people have the skill to replace the battery themselves, I no longer have the eyesight or deftness to do it.

Not mention "if your battery dies." Of course sooner or later it will die, but it could be the equivalent of a Walkman by then.
by ardentjames June 29, 2009 11:11 AM PDT
i feel old. and i'm only 37

http://www.nationwidedisc.com
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by krosafcheg June 29, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
dumb kid! hilarious, hopefully a track'll run over him while he's crossing the street listening to ****** ipod.
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by jarturof June 29, 2009 12:44 PM PDT
I bought my Sony HiMD (Minidisc) in 2005, because it costed $99.00 usd and have 5 1gb discs, arm band, impressive headphones, a very nice case. And actually loved the Atract3 audio codec, great audio quality with small size files, and also you can use the disc to keep data not just music. At that time an iPhone in Mexico costed more than $500.00 usd
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by mrdunlop June 29, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
I think its funny how the walkman's batteries just die, while the ipod's batteries just need to be recharged. My batteries just died, so dramatic
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by GlennAllen June 29, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
Imagine that... technology marches on. (I guess the BBC is desperate for new material these days. Or was this really an experiment in peer behavior?)
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by simonjoker June 29, 2009 3:46 PM PDT
What if he had to confine himself to listening at home on a turntable or a reel-to-reel tape!

I still have a Walkman/AM/FM radio I bought in 1988 (I remember because I sold a car to buy an '88 Honda NT650 bike and celebrated by buying the Walkman and a 4-cassette Jimi Hendrix boxed set). It still works, though I don't use tapes any more - but I do listen to the radio on it.

When the tape reached the end I could set it to reverse and keep playing automatically.
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by HelloBanjo June 29, 2009 7:11 PM PDT
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=22433516

Great gift for a techie dad.
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by bbbegone June 29, 2009 11:16 PM PDT
I had a Walkman when I was a kid. It wasn't nearly as large as the portable CD player I began carrying around later. Plus, it had FM radio which didn't kill the battery as much as playing a cassette.

Maybe it was just me, but I didn't mind it being so ugly. It gave me a good reason to cover it up with a bunch of stickers and decals. It felt personalized. I would never do that with my iPod now.
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Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995 and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He's also a bass guitarist and an avid collector (and digitizer) of LP records. DISCLAIMER: This blog contains the personal opinions of the author and does not necessarily represent the opinions of his employers or of CNET Networks. As an IT industry analyst, the author occasionally agrees to nondisclosure agreements from Microsoft or other companies, and he will not violate the terms of such agreements on this blog.

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