FORT MYERS, Fla., Aug. 1, 2009

1 Family Sole Occupants of 32-Story Tower

Residents of Florida Highrise Find Every Other Prospective Condo Owner Has Bailed, and Now Want Out

  • Victor Vangelakos' Fort Myers, Fla. condominium has marble floors, a large pool overlooking a river and modern furnishings that speak of affluence and luxury. What his family doesn't have in the 32-story building: A single neighbor. Photo

    Victor Vangelakos' Fort Myers, Fla. condominium has marble floors, a large pool overlooking a river and modern furnishings that speak of affluence and luxury. What his family doesn't have in the 32-story building: A single neighbor.  (AP/Valerie Roche, News Press)

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    "CBS News RAW": A 32-story luxury condo has gotten a little too lonely for one Ft. Myers, Florida family. They are the only occupants in the entire 300-unit Oasis Condo Tower building.

(AP)  The Vangelakos' southwest Florida condominium has marble floors, a large pool overlooking a river and modern furnishings that speak of affluence and luxury. What they don't have in the 32-story building is a single neighbor.

The New Jersey family of five purchased their unit four years ago, when Fort Myers was in the midst of a housing boom and any hints of an impending financial crisis were buried in lofty dreams of expansion and development. They made a $10,000 down payment and eagerly watched as builders transformed an empty lot into an opulent high rise, one that now symbolizes the foreclosure crisis.

"The future was going to be southwest Florida," said Victor Vangelakos, 45, a fire captain who planned to eventually retire and live permanently in the condo.

Most of the other tenants in the 200-unit condo didn't close on their contracts, and the few that did have transferred to an adjacent building owned by the same company because more people live there.

The Vangelakos' mortgage lender will not allow them to do the same.

That leaves them as the sole residents of the Oasis Tower One.

"It's a beautiful building," said their attorney, John Ewing, who is representing 27 others who made deposits on units. "The problem is, it's a very lonely building."

When the Vangelakos' travel from Weehawken, N.J., to spend a week or a few days in their Florida home, they have exclusive use of the pool, game room and gym, but they miss having a few tenants around.

"Being from the city, it's very eerie," Vangelakos said. "It's almost like a scary movie."

A large, circular fountain in front of the building is dry. The automatic glass doors that lead to the front lobby are locked. On the front desk is a guest sign-in sheet. The last entry: Feb. 13, 2009.

"It's like time froze here six months ago," Ewing said.

Vangelakos said they closed on the apartment in the fall, unaware the other tenants had failed to follow through. When they visited around Christmas, they didn't think much of the emptiness. They were just happy to be there.

"We wanted to believe," Cathy Vangelakos said. "We were looking for what we were offered."

On subsequent visits, however, the building grew more deserted.

The lights on the pool and palm trees were off. Their garbage shoot was sealed, a trash bin placed in front of their unit instead.

Despite the empty units, they faithfully parked in their assigned spot on the second story of the parking garage. Then those lights went off, too.

Then there were security concerns. One night, someone pounded on their door at 11 p.m. They called the front desk at the next door building, which contacted police. A search turned up no one, though a pool entrance was open.

Another morning they awoke to find lounge chairs in the pool.

The parents and their children sleep with their cell phones by their beds.

"I'm not a chicken, but this is a big building," Cathy Vangelakos said.

Betsy McCoy, vice president and associated general counsel with The Related Group, which sold the family their unit, said they have tried to help find a solution - even offering them a unit in the building next door, free of cost, while the situation is resolved.

"They haven't wanted to take us up on that," McCoy said Friday. "They frankly rejected every solution and offer and proposal that we've come up with."

McCoy said some of the interested buyers who put down deposits lost their jobs, others were unable to get mortgages and some were just nervous when the financial collapse came.

The Cape Coral-Fort Myers metropolitan area in Lee County has some of the worst economic stress - a combination of foreclosures, unemployment and bankruptcies - in the country, according to The Associated Press' monthly analysis of more than 3,100 U.S. counties.

The latest AP Economic Stress Index, which assigns each county a score from 1 to 100 with higher numbers reflecting the greatest stress from the recession, found Lee County had a score of more than 20. Anything above 11 is considered stressed.

Victor Vangelakos said they don't want to move to the tower next door because they would still be paying the mortgage and maintenance costs on the condo they own. They paid $430,000 for the unit and took out a $336,000 mortgage - essentially spending their life savings.

He'd like for The Related Group to buy them out.

"They want us to be refugees in Tower II," Victor Vangelakos said. "That's not how I expected us to live here."

The family's attorney said he has filed two lawsuits on behalf of would-be tenants because the building wasn't finished as promised. He said they expected a clubhouse, marina, private cinema and restaurants.

McCoy said those amenities could be developed, but were never promised.

On Friday evening, the pool area was dark, most of the doors locked. Cathy Vangelakos and her 19-year-old daughter, Amanda, stepped into an elevator to head up to their unit. "Going up," an automated voice chimed.

"Going up," Cathy Vangelakos said. "That's all we hear."

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by John_Merritt August 1, 2009 4:53 PM EDT
That indeed is a truly sad story. Sounds like a scary moview , heck, they are living in a scary movie. I just wonder why they won't take up the offer of moving into the adjacent building. Maybe it has to do with 'location, location, location.' Having invested in the Fla. RE market, I to have felt the pich.

Bought a home on the 8th tee of a golf course in 2005. Moved here a year ago, the course closed and I stare at an overgrown lot and only dream. There is at least 10-12% foreclosures in this subdivision and nearly everybody is underwater except for those who bought in the first two phases.

I am just glad I did not buy in the last 2 phases, because I would be foreclosing or filing BK by now. I feel for all those people who have lost much and those in a untenable position and uncertainty. I guess we just have to hang in there and ride it out together.

Sign me: The greed of a few ruined it for many.
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by bigreddog222 August 1, 2009 7:41 PM EDT
yes John you are correct. Greed has resulted in the pain of many.
by scratchbaker August 1, 2009 9:29 PM EDT
You buy it, you own it. Asking The Related Group to buy him out is absurd. Why don't people use better judgment BEFORE they go upscale beyond their means? He just needs to wait 10-15 years for the economy to recover and catch up with his excess. Now his 15 minutes of fame are up. He should take his family home or just live with his stupid decision.
by brianbwb-2009 August 2, 2009 9:53 AM EDT
Understand your point, but on the flip side, wild greenery is beautiful if one can un-brainwash the tendency to only value artificially manicured land. I would love to have lush green next door, as opposed to cemented, hot, dwellings with obnoxious neighbors.

I think you are missing appreciation of what you have, wait until a developer levels it to build a shopping mall, then perhaps you will realize, albeit too late, just how good you have it.
by animaltoo August 3, 2009 12:13 PM EDT
Of course I would never have a way of knowing, but I really do hope they put some section 8 housing next door to you.
by dsnj1-2009 August 1, 2009 5:06 PM EDT
If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is-I think many people's dreams will be squashed thanks to the economic crisis. THIS is the new American dream.
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by John_Merritt August 1, 2009 5:15 PM EDT
The funny part is that with all the foreclosures and the overgrown houses, the HOA is still sending out nasty letters to people with brown patches in their lawn.

The upside: I have seen so much of Florida's critters running through my backyard, which I probably would not have if the course was open.

The NEW American dream will have many of the same primary actors that participated in the last housing boom. Their returns just won't be as great. Buy Low , Sell High; isn't that their mantra?
by Slrman August 1, 2009 5:10 PM EDT
Whomever wrote this story, it's garbage "chute" not "shoot". Must you media people be leading the dumbing down of America? There was a time when news writers were literate. No more, though.
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by BacktoWhatsRight August 1, 2009 7:09 PM EDT
Internet journalists are paid about as much as a "migrant" worker. They do the jobs Americans don't want to do-LOL.
by frankie2fing August 1, 2009 8:24 PM EDT
Huh? After BUSH, you think the MEDIA IS DUMBING DOWN AMERICA?!?
by maistir August 2, 2009 6:58 PM EDT
There was also a time when people knew when to use the subjective case of the indefinite relative pronoun.
by braniff77 August 3, 2009 3:54 PM EDT
I saw that misspelling too, and was more upset about that than at the plight of the owners in the story. Are journalism schools not concerned with proper spelling and grammar anymore?
by cory2444 August 1, 2009 5:10 PM EDT
They said they wanted to move, but their bank won't let them out of their current contract.

Looks like they're stuck in their situation for at least a couple of years.

I would be taking the trash out with my gun. What a ****** feeling. Wait, I do that now in my neighborhood.
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by gordonshummway August 1, 2009 6:16 PM EDT
"God Bless me indeed, and expand my territory".

I don't get it. The building owners never heard of renting? Maybe that would only amount to chump-change and tons of hassles. I must be missing something.
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by rhs648 August 2, 2009 4:58 PM EDT
You are missing something. Banks will not offer mortgages in condo units where too many units are rented out. This is why most condo associations restrict how many units can be rented out at any given time. If the builders starts renting units in this building, they may never be able to sell any of the units. This is an unfortunate situation that probably won't be remedied until the housing market improves. We had a similar situation in Ocean City, Maryland in the 1970's. Too mamy condo units were built and the builders practically had to give them away. Those who already bought saw their values plummet. Today, these condo units are very expensive and are in big demand. As for the American dream, we have seen markets bottom out many times. Each time, there are people who believe that the end of America is upon us. Each time, they were wrong as America's economy bounced back.
by spaceatoms August 1, 2009 7:09 PM EDT
And the banks still have control instead of the people and entrepreneurs, I don't think this is normal; again with the huge payouts and bonuses coming out, the country is still out of touch with reality!
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by get_down August 1, 2009 7:18 PM EDT
"They paid $430,000 for the unit and took out a $336,000 mortgage - essentially spending their life savings.
Cathy Vangelakos and her 19-year-old daughter, Amanda, stepped into an elevator to head up to their unit. "Going up," an automated voice chimed.
"Going up," Cathy Vangelakos said. "That's all we hear.""

So long as the Vangelakos' family can afford to pay-off their mortgage - $336,000 -in the end, they'll stay up - otherwise, they will be "Going down".
Personally I wouldn't make this kind of "extreme investment".
I don't believe "live life to the fullest", I'd like to live within my means and save some for rainy days - just in case!
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by zonkzilla August 1, 2009 7:25 PM EDT
"We must totally deregulate all businesses and banks, give them more free money, and cut their taxes to zero. It has worked so well until now we must do even more. The only way to save the economy is more tax breaks for the wealthy and less regulation"
No joke. After Bush's deregulation and tax breaks destroyed our economy, the Republicans are saying the solution to this and the health insurance crisis is less regulation and more tax breaks.

The Republican solution - give everything to the wealthy and corporations.
These days when someone says they are a Republican I classify them as idiots.
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by openyoureyesamerica August 3, 2009 4:43 PM EDT
Yes, Zonkzilla...and Republicans are within our means to do so since we're predominately made up of HARD WORKING AMERICANS who work hard for their money. Not just waiting for government handouts...the idiots are the ones who were fooled by our gov't and put the current monsters on their thrones, all I can ask it that you wake up and realize what's really going on
by zonkzilla August 1, 2009 7:28 PM EDT
Saw on the news just today that an executive with Citi (who got bailed out with my tax money) got a $100,000,000 bonus. I blame our President for this along with BOTH parties in Congress because they are all in on it or they would send in the DOJ and IRS to get those people.
Obama's popularity is dropping because America sees him as another GW Bush in the pocket of the wealthy.
I haven't given up on our President but if he keeps looking the other way as the wealthy rob and steal our country I will vote him out next election just like the Republicans.
Mr. President, wake the heck up!
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by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter August 2, 2009 12:20 PM EDT
""I blame our President for this along with BOTH parties in Congress"" <Yes Sir! Both parties are to blame, not reps, not dems, but both parties are in collusion, toggling power to play the blame game, while they BOTH pilfer the American peoples coffers.
by fervan-2009 August 1, 2009 7:57 PM EDT
Zonkilla, the democrats really did a snow job on you! It's the democrats that take and take. This whole mortgage crisis was caused by a DEMOCRAT, Barney Frank, who was pushed by Obama and Acorn to give out unqualified mortgages for YEARS all the while LLIEING to Bush, telling him everything "was alright".
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by curse914 August 1, 2009 8:09 PM EDT
You do not understand the concept of "Deregulation". It has been a core value of the Grand Old Party since the late 1800's. The problem with many Democrats is they adopted the Grand Old Party core value of Deregulating the Markets. Since regulation of the banking system was put in place in the 1930's, your Party has been trying to dismantle it. Without the help of turncoat Democrats it would not have been possible; and this is the only bone I am going to through you, Spot.
by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter August 2, 2009 12:24 PM EDT
by fervan-2009 August 1, 2009 7:57 PM EDT
Zonkilla, the democrats really did a snow job on you! It's the democrats that take and take.

Actually fervan, it is you who are fooled! Over the last 100 years, power has switched hands between dems and reps just long enough to shirk blame. One party takes the helm, robs the people, then the other party blames the 1st, takes power, robs the country, repeat. What a freakin' charade!
by cattiej August 1, 2009 8:16 PM EDT
And we see on TV news tonight that the CEO of Citi is going to get another 100 million dollars as are many of the CEO's of other companies like Goldman Sach, Morgan and other's...what's up with that, this is our Tax Money going to these jerks...where's the government in this...oh, they are on vacation..meanwhile, many people are living in their cars, or on the street...ie..Nero fidddled while Rome burned.....no wonder our country is in trouble....This story could be written about many cities in Florida, Alabama, California, Texas,etc.etc...folks, these realtors lied to you....wonder how many of these realtor's are without a home tonight. lastly, if I were this family I would move to next door, it's not worth putting your life and your family's live on the line for...give it up and move..after this story, you will be less safe than you were before...the criminals know the place is empty except for your family....Give it up and get away from that scary place.
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by nonewsday August 1, 2009 11:29 PM EDT
NEVER on this CBS site, you will never see a story that is negative about Odumbo. I don't see why we don't get stories that really shows what the present Administration is doing all we see is soft stories about Odumbo or stories critical of the Republicans.
by brianbwb-2009 August 2, 2009 10:06 AM EDT
Tocattiej

You ask where is the government?

Don't forget, when the bailouts occurred, the common sense, and free market approach would have been "since we now own a majority of the shares, it is our right to determine the direction of the company vis-a-vis upper management pay, etc.

Would have been, except for the loud whining of the neos, who scream "socialism" in chorus. They thought it was OK to give the money, because after all "trickle down" is their "Lord's prayer". But they but drew the line at our right to control what our money should have allowed us to control,

The politicians were afraid of being branded "socialist", as that might have impaired their chance of re-election, and they would have missed out on the kickbacks, and so they backed off.

As for the family, why not squat the units on either side, not only increase their quarters, but also I bet that will move the owners to find some tenants PDQ.
by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter August 2, 2009 12:29 PM EDT
If a mob of torch & pitchfork wielding middle class Americans captures this CEO, and other CEO's, and publically executed a few of these supercrooks, the supercrooks might think twice about such an 'in-your-face', blatent, overt, absconsion of wealth.
by YSoWrong August 3, 2009 3:30 AM EDT
NeoCons were a foreign policy bogeyman. You can't use them in economic rants. Sorry, you just can't.
by cattiej August 1, 2009 8:18 PM EDT
When ARE we going to be able to read about Barney Frank and how he and his connections gave all our money to these lying mortgage company's?
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by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter August 2, 2009 12:31 PM EDT
Never. He is protected. We lose. Barney and his ilk will continue this charade until there is nothing left to steal.
by rhs648 August 2, 2009 5:04 PM EDT
Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter - So true. Barney Frank and others just shift the blame. He and Dodd shirked their duties yet refuse to accept any of the blame. Worse, their constituents will just keep voting them back into office. These guys know who butters their bread and will continue to shirk their duties and blame others until they are too old or sick to remain in office. In the end, the voters get what they deserve.
by tincup356 August 1, 2009 8:40 PM EDT
As long as brain dead idiots keep voting for the Democrats OR the Republicans,,,,Americans can expect to be robbed by the white collar suit and tie terrorists of Wall street. BOTH parties are in conspiracy with corporate America to destroy the middle class,,,and they are doing a bang up job of it right now. There are only two ways to handle this,,,,either vote them ALL out and start over,,,,,or A Revolution.
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by debinok1 August 1, 2009 8:57 PM EDT
Or we can do what our CONSTITUTION gives us the POWER to do. Our Constitution gives us the power to ABOLISH the current government and institute a new one.

I have been saying this for over a week, even have a petition to do EXACTLY that.

However, it seems either people are content to sit by and let this government do what it wishes or they are afraid to take the action needed to stop it.

I think we need to take back our government.
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/are-we-confident-our-government-is-working-for-us
by brianbwb-2009 August 2, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
To debinok1

The problem with your position is that the result may be even worse. Imagine the extreme right wing having a say in the form of new government?

No, I think the best way is to hit the source, the large corporations that bribe and otherwise corrupt the government, and those who are in the pockeds of the bribers.

Boycotts, demonstrations, boycotts of any media accepting advertising from them, boycotts of other companies that do business with them, find out where the upper management of these companies live as well as the politicians that take bribery from them, and demonstrate continually outside their homes, make it so they cannot even go to the grocery store without having to face protesters.

Same for the politicians who are on the take.

Target one or more of the more egregious offenders until their company's bottom line is very red, then move on to other targets.

As difficult to catalyze, organize, and commit as this sounds, it is still preferable to taking the risk of removing government, only to replace it with something worse, as always happens.
by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter August 2, 2009 12:48 PM EDT
by brianbwb-2009 August 2, 2009 10:20 AM EDT
Boycotts, demonstrations, boycotts of any media accepting advertising from them, boycotts of other companies that do business with them, find out where the upper management of these companies live as well as the politicians that take bribery from them, and demonstrate continually outside their homes, make it so they cannot even go to the grocery store without having to face protesters.

You left out public humiliation stocks (very effective and not deadly. Plus they'rechiropractor approved!!!), tar and feathering, caning, flogging, hog tying, and other less-than-lethal punishments that are fun, and suitable for the whole family.

But wait!

If you order your CEO public humiliation kit in the next 18 minutes, we'll send you a torch & pitchfork, for your next mob party, free!

You get the Stocks, Tar & feathers, Rope, Shackles, Cattle Nine Tails, and a genuine Singapore Cane, all for the low LOW price of $29.95. We'll even pick up the shipping charges!

Act Now! And publicly humiliate a CEO in your town NOW!!!!
by veteran71 August 1, 2009 8:47 PM EDT
I'd actually like having a building all to myself.....neighbors are highly overrated.....no waiting
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by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter August 3, 2009 2:02 PM EDT
Plus, you can play hallway golf!
by squidoutofguam August 1, 2009 8:49 PM EDT
What is a 'garbage shoot'? Aren't there editors and proofreaders working at CBS News Division? As for the story, it shows how thinking of property as an investment instead of a place to live and/or work has driven people out of the very homes they thought that would turn a buck in a year or two.

For the family, when the place is teeming with people, they will wish it were empty. They will get their wish...
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by debinok1 August 1, 2009 8:51 PM EDT
It seems to me these people PAID or ARE PAYING for a lot of aminities they are not getting, like BUILDING SECURITY and possibly MAINTENANCE. Perhaps the direction their attorney should be heading is BREACH OF CONTRACT. It also seems sad that we have SO MANY vacant homes and places like this one and yet SO MANY people LIVING on the streets.
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by BacktoWhatsRight August 1, 2009 9:46 PM EDT
The building in the photo above reminds me of The Beatles red and blue greatest hits albums.
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by pete_in_az August 1, 2009 9:46 PM EDT
Wow seriously this sounds perfect. Can I buy the whole building on the cheap?

I don't understand what these people are crying about. I'd kill to have that building to myself like that.
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by taxchurches August 2, 2009 1:15 AM EDT
What on Earth are they complaining about? A whole high rise condo to themselves? I'll take it. I'll even handle security.

What exactly is a garbage "shoot"? Whatever happened to journalists that could spell, and news outlets that proofread their copy? The word is "chute."
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by wdh3007 August 2, 2009 2:37 AM EDT
One family in a 32 story tower they could have left when they had the chance to. For $430,000 a spent life savings with no aminities they deserve to have the whole thing to themselves. For what they paid they could have bought a real nice size home with better re sale value later on when the market re stabilizes.
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by kerry4ever August 2, 2009 6:04 AM EDT
At least he will be able to use the garbage shoot in the nude.
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by tmittelstaed August 2, 2009 7:33 AM EDT
The real question is how exactly is the realty company able to continue to operate with this building? This buildling probably cost 100 million to erect, the interest payments alone on the building dwarf what the building owners got from the sale of this 1 condo. By any normal business sense the realty company should have been bankrupt a long time ago - in which case the building would have been foreclosed, and the new owners would have redeveloped the building into apartments. Then they would have had neighbors or most likely been bought out of their contract.
Oh I forgot, the George Bush "banks too big to fail" bailout probably funded the bank that made the construction loan, which likely has turned around and allowed the realty company to suspend payments on it for an indefinite amount of time!!! Sure nice when the big guys get all the freebie perks and the little guys like this mortgage holder get reamed!!!
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by spiritwalk August 2, 2009 12:45 PM EDT
In the short run, the realty company will write off expenses against profits on other properties. Once they habe held the building long enough they will seel it to some other company at a loss that can be written of against profits. If done peoperly with the loop holes in real estate tax laws thy may be able to actualize as much as a $2 deductible loss for every $1 of real loss.
by dsnj1-2009 August 2, 2009 7:50 AM EDT
I believe the problem they were pointing out in the article (which is why he was complainng about living there alone), is that there was no security, and hence hoodlums were sneaking in and putting chairs in the pool, knockin on their doors in the middle of the night and leaving, etc. It was the crime they were afaid of. Hey-by the way, a RE agent is not allowed to tell you what the crime rate is (this would be considered discrimination)-I am not kidding you, a RE agent told me this. However, you can check by googling "crime rate by city", enter in the zip code, and this will tell you if it is over or under the national average by category. These people should have done their research, and not have gotten so greedy. I do not blame the Government, like everyone else on this site, only the people who were given brains and do not use them, meaning th epeople who moved and used their life savings to do it in the middle of a recession without doing their homework. For every decision you make, there is a cause and effect!
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by Gasserpe August 2, 2009 8:24 AM EDT
No consideration for the poor and needy what-so-ever! Turn the building into a shelter, jail, offices, or whatever that could help the poor. Of course it cost the Rothchild's money.
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by Dgunner August 2, 2009 9:32 AM EDT
I live very HIGH in the kiamichi mountain range . My closeset neighbor is 6 miles. I get company five times a year. I burn my trash , eat the wildlife and fish the mountain lakes.I see the forest colors in the fall and watch the world renew in the spring.I can count all the stars from my porch and make wine from the natural fruit. I also grow my own {garden].I feed wild deer at day break and eat deer meat for dinner. I fly fish for free and eat bass and crappie for lunch and dinner and duck on sunday. My church has a natural choir and the attendance is always staggering.I guess if you feel the need to be compared by others based on your success and address i guess a florida condo is ok. The only way i will leave my mountain is in a coffin.
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by August 2, 2009 11:27 AM EDT
The question people should ask is why we pay people employed in public jobs enough to buy a second residence - one that costs $450,000 not counting maintenance fees.
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by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter August 2, 2009 12:16 PM EDT
by cory2444 August 1, 2009 5:10 PM EDT
I would be taking the trash out with my gun.

by Slrman August 1, 2009 5:10 PM EDT
Whomever wrote this story, it's garbage "chute" not "shoot".

Maybe it really is a "Garbage Shoot" Nothin' else to do "The Good Earth" Tower. Or is it Langoliers' Tower?
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by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter August 2, 2009 12:33 PM EDT
by tincup356 August 1, 2009 8:40 PM EDT
As long as brain dead idiots keep voting for the Democrats OR the Republicans,,,,Americans can expect to be robbed by the white collar suit and tie terrorists of Wall street. BOTH parties are in conspiracy with corporate America to destroy the middle class,,,and they are doing a bang up job of it right now. There are only two ways to handle this,,,,either vote them ALL out and start over,,,,,or A Revolution.

___________________

Absolutely Agree

100% correct.

I could not have said it better.
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by rhs648 August 2, 2009 11:42 PM EDT
You need to consider the role of "human nature" in all of this. If we throw out the bad, there is no guarantee that the next group won't be just as bad or worse. Politics appeals to certain types of people. We see this in local politics where those replacing the older politicians are just as bad or wose than the ones they replace. All too often people get elected on a single issue and turn out to be a disaster.
by GeorgeWHoover August 3, 2009 5:59 AM EDT
I don't know what these people are complaining about. I'd take a whole building all to myself any day of the week. They must be the co-dependent types who need to be around people 24/7.
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by hellosopo August 3, 2009 8:33 AM EDT
It sounds like a dream building to me. I don't think this couple should expect to be bought out, but it would behoove the developer to keep the building in pretty good shape and well secured if they ever do expect to sell the other units. This tenant is still paying the condo association fees, and one should expect lights to be on in common areas (pool, parking garage) for the money paid. They have some valid concerns, but complaining about the lack of neighbors isn't one of them.
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by animaltoo August 3, 2009 12:07 PM EDT
Wait a minute. A fire captain affording a get-away condo in Florida until he moves down there? Wow.
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by mary-miami August 3, 2009 12:13 PM EDT
In Miami, there are "for rent" signs everywhere. It is difficult to find a street that doesn't have one. There are also condominiums that only have a few residents living in them, most of them are fairly empty. This is one of the poorest cities in the nation, and with so many people unemployed, many got evicted or foreclosed on.
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by stickdog3 August 3, 2009 3:36 PM EDT
Geez! Why is this guy crying? Neighbors are way overrated. Actually they should be banned. Lots of people out there would trade places with him in a heartbeat. Condos and homes are overrated to, they're constant money drains. I know, I've owned 4 condos, and hated every one of them. I live here in L.A. they all were nice, but neighbors ruined them. Why? Like were that guy lives, in this article, the walls are probably drywall. You can hear right thru them. I've seen all kinds of knock down drag out fights, all these people were professional type people, but, that would degenerate quickly in these places. They would complain and b*i*t*c*h and moan about everything. Peoples tires getting slashed, windows broke out. I've had a few neighbors, so psychotic, they would follow me around as I walked in my place, if I would make a sound, they would hit the wall or stump the floor to let you know they're listening. I've been around some that would sit with no TV on or music, just so they could listen at what you're doing. The homeowners association would have rules that forbid you to play music after 10:00 pm loudly. That meant you couldn't have parties. All these places were in nice neighborhoods, I hated everyone of them I quickly saw where that dream they spoke of was a nightmare. I sold those places, found and apartment in this building right next to MacArthur Park. The building was built in 1923. 8 stories high, the lobby of our bldg looks like the Sistine Chapel, huge chandeliers, ornate staircase. My unit is a large studio, I have 5 walkin closets, high ceilings with crown molding, pedestal sink in the bathroom and a oldstyle cast iron tub thats huge, I'm 6'4" and can stretch fully out in that tub, radiator heaters, and the best of all is the bldg is solid brick, you hit my walls with your knuckles and they will bust wide open. That means I haven't heard a neighbor yet, and all these people in here gor surround sound systems that bump, you can hear them in the hallway but not in your place. I absolutely love this place, I'm on the 7th floor, and have a spectacular view of the city looking south. That place is the ultimate in privacy. Back in those days everything were built solid, with lots of space, my studio is about as big as a 1 bedroom. They can keep that American Dream. No more money drains for me. to that guy in Florida, you just don't know how blessed you are to have no neighbors, security - nothing a 12 gauge with shells loaded with rock salt couldn't handle, amenities - talk to the homeowners assoc you shouldn't have to pay those monthly dues. Good luck 'bro.
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by erehak August 3, 2009 6:26 PM EDT
My comment is a correction for the writer of this piece: The Vangelakos' garbage "shoot" was not sealed. Their garbage "chute" was sealed. If there's one thing a professional writer/reporter should know about the English language, it is that not all words are spelled as they are pronounced. Doesn't CBS News have copy readers anymore?
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