AFFLECK, BEN: PEARL HARBOR
Ben Affleck goes through the hell of war and learns to
respect history in Pearl Harbor. Jenny Cooney Carrillo reports.
Ben Affleck says he doesn’t care whether Pearl Harbor is a
commercial hit. He’s more concerned about getting the stamp
of approval from the real Pearl Harbor survivors, who were in
attendance at the US$5 million premiere aboard a $3.5 billion
aircraft carrier, anchored in Pearl Harbor just a few hundred
feet from the Arizona memorial where 1177 souls still lie beneath
the sea trapped inside one of the ships bombed by the Japanese on
December 7, 1941.
Pearl Harbor is an epic love story that follows two daring young
pilots, Rafe McCawley (Ben Affleck) and Danny Walker (Josh
Hartnett), who grew up like brothers and became pilots in the U.S.
Army Air Corps, where they also fell in love with the same woman
(Kate Beckinsale) shortly before all hell broke loose on that
fateful day which marked the United State’s entry into World
War II.
Since you are too young to have firsthand knowledge of
Pearl Harbor, what did you learn during the making of this film?
One of the things I learned was a greater appreciation for that
generation. My grandparents fought in the Second World War - a
huge conflict on six continents where 50 million people died. I
learned to appreciate how terrible, how truly awful and savage
war is, and to hope that we’d never have to fight one again.
I was humbled quite a bit and I learned to have greater respect
for history; the history of this country and the rest of the
world actually.
I heard you deferred your entire salary so this movie
could be made for US$130 million.
It wasn’t just me who deferred my salary but many of the key
crewmembers also took a salary cut and Michael Bay and Jerry
Bruckheimer deferred everything to the back end. We understood
this movie was about something substantial and we wanted it to
resonate and be significant. Now we have the means in Hollywood
and the technology to show what it might have been like fighting
a war but that doesn’t come cheap, so we all agreed to do it
this way because we wanted to be involved in a movie we were
proud of.
I also heard that you didn’t care about whether the
movie made money as long as the veterans felt you had done them
justice.
When you do a movie you hope it’s well received and hope it
makes money and of course you have all these sets of ambitions
for it. But in this particular case what I meant to suggest was
that I had another set of ambitions as well, which took a higher
priority. If I had to choose between having a movie that World
War II veterans felt disgraced by that was a commercial success
or having a movie that was a commercial failure and one which
made the veterans proud and which was considered to be a
legitimate piece of historical story-telling, I would choose the
latter.
You spoke to a lot of Pearl Harbor survivors during your
research. Did any of their stories particularly stand out?
I heard so many different stories. I did speak to one gentleman
who bore witness to the men who stayed in formation, standing at
attention while the Star Spangled Banner was playing while they
were under attack and who didn’t break out of formation
until the song was finished. I’ve always thought that was
something of an apocryphal story but that gentleman verified it
for me. Most of the stories left me with the impression of all-out
reverence and respect and a sense that I could never really know
what it would be like to be in a war zone unless you’ve been
there.
This movie is personal for you in many ways, isn’t
it?
I’m fortunate to have sort of three grandfathers who I knew
as a child because there was a divorce in my family very early in
one of my parent’s lives so I had two families and all three
served in the United States military during the war. Two of them
served in the Pacific, one of them was a captain in the Marine
Corps and in fact came through Pearl Harbor on his way to engage
in infantry combat in the islands. I found that like my
grandfathers, many veterans to this day are still very upset and
disturbed by what happened and they are very reluctant to talk
about it. I didn’t feel it was appropriate for me to try to
push people into discussing it but it played a role for me in the
sense that my own family history was further inspiration and hit
home very closely. It made me realize how valuable that
generation of people is. Some of them are getting to their
nineties and they estimate around 30,000 World War II veterans
are dying of old age every month, so it is important to me that
we tell this story now, at a time when we can have some of these
folks see it and be recognized for their contribution to history.
What do you think of the comparison sometimes made of
this film with Titanic?
I don’t really believe in comparing movies but I’m sure
Michael Bay would admit that he is a huge James Cameron fan and
he emulates him in some ways. He was an enormous fan of Titanic
and there is a similarity of a fictional love story set against a
story rooted in the history of tragedy. I really don’t think
the movies have much more in common than that but I sure would
like to win all those Oscars and get all that money at the box-office
(laughs)!
You played a fighter pilot. How are your flying skills?
I had the opportunity to fly in a number of vintage aircraft
– the B40 and B52 and it was a pretty extraordinary
experience. In preparation for the role, I took some flying
lessons and had to do some aerobatics and learn some combat
maneuvers because I didn’t want it to seem hokey or fake for
an actor to sit there and do it in a way that you would never fly
an aircraft. While I got into aerobatics, I did get sort of
nauseous after a while. I don’t think I quite had the
stomach to be a real pilot. You don’t realize that the G-force
accumulates rapidly when those planes go spinning and rotating
and flying and turning and you get very disoriented and it really
makes you sick. At least it made me sick. Maybe I’m just a
big wimp!
How important is it to you that this film be historically
accurate?
There is a fine line you walk and it’s important. You need
to be historically accurate to a certain degree but for one
thing, you can never know exactly what the historical events were
precisely, for many reasons; even eyewitness accounts differ.
There are fundamental things that we understand and know to be
true and those need to be adhered to and represented accurately.
But there’s also ways of telling truths in history by using
things that may or may not have happened. There were kids in the
playground when the Japanese planes flew over. Whether or not
they were playing baseball or basketball or hopscotch, nobody
seems to know or remember and Michael took creative license to
put a baseball bat in the kid’s hand. I don’t think
that is irresponsible but I think there are ways you can fudge
the truth, which can be. In my opinion, we didn’t do that in
this movie.
In the film your character is in love with the same girl
as his best friend. Do you and Matt Damon ever have that problem?
I think we have a pretty standard guy code, which I imagine
extends past my friendship with him. It’s a sort of ‘finders
keepers’ thing – possession being nine-tenths of the
law and all that (laughs). I think once your friend dates a
woman, the statute of limitations doesn’t really run out on
that. It probably would hurt your feelings to have your best
friend pick up right where you left off so we understand that and
have never had to deal with the particular issue the characters
deal with in the movie.
Published June 7, 2001
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