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Thread for transcripts of the videos from the epic Hamburg Symposium 2010.

I'll edit as needed. I can't fit all these in one post, so when all are done I'll put them all in a new complete project thread in contiguous top posts.

Done through Marc Headley so far. Next set of vids is in post #6.
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Hana Whitfield's Speech
March 26, 2010
Hamburg, Germany


Part I

Hamburg Symposium - Hana Whitfield Part I

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My name is Hana Eltringham Whitfield and, just to give you a brief biography, I was a Scientologist and a Sea Org member for over twenty-two years. I captained two of Hubbard's ships and ran many of his organizations. He took on the title of Commodore in 1967 and I served as Deputy Commodore under him in the United States for two years. I held many subsequent positions.

The account of my personal disillusionment and departure from Scientology is another story, but since I left the group in 1984 my husband and I have helped hundreds of families retrieve their children, their spouses and their parents from this group. It was our way of giving back [1:00] and that work continues.

I'm speaking today to offer my insight on this organization. When Hubbard released his first book, Dianetics, and then started Scientology, he created a unique culture, a totalitarian culture based on his claims: these being that he alone was perfect; he never made mistakes; everything he said and wrote was correct and he was the source of the only technology that could deliver mankind from its problems. Everyone else was less evolved or, as he put it, "raw meat," and in need of the salvation that only Scientology could provide.

All ideas and methods that opposed his own were wrong or evil and had to be destroyed. This same culture permeates Scientology today and we hear it repeatedly [2:00] from its spokespersons. Hubbard's policy of "Always attack, never defend" makes it impossible for the organization to admit wrongdoing, and it is as if Hubbard actually were still alive. It is this culture that has everything to do with what is going on in Scientology today and it will continue unless other forces can be brought to bear.

I joined Scientology in 1965. I did some basic training, I was a registered nurse, I was looking for some answers. I went to England and I trained there, in 1966, to the highest levels available. And, I don't feel so good about it now, but I was 'Clear' number sixty. Throughout that training I became... my aculturization to Scientology began. It took the training, it took some processing [3:00], it took those experiences -- both the knowledge and the personal experiences in the auditing -- to make me become a true believer. I now regret the years I spent in Scientology but there's no going back, so this is a way of helping.

Very soon after that Hubbard started the Sea Project, in August of 1967, in Las Palmas. I was one of thirty-five people invited to join, simply because of my training and expertise level. There was nothing special about me, but thirty-five of us joined him in Las Palmas to form the Sea Project and to help him better the world and salvage the planet. I found very quickly that he did not live up to his claims in his books and tapes at all. [4:00] I found he angered easily; he had temper tantrums that went on for hours and hours. Sometimes he would throw things against the side of the ship.

I did not see the contradictions at that early time. I did not see -- between his writing and his acts -- I could not see the contradiction. I was already in love with the ideal that Hubbard presented. I was in love with the goals of his organization. And I was in love with what I thought I could contribute to bettering mankind. And let me tell you that that sets up a state of mind in a person, well, you know what it's like to be in love. You see nothing wrong with your girlfriend or your boyfriend. They're perfect. It's the same phenomena that happens in Scientology when someone [5:00] joins. You cannot see the wrong, and that is what is so bad about this organization, and I think -- from a retrospective point of view now -- that Hubbard knew that and that's why he set it up the way he did.

Hubbard did have some good points; he had many good points. For example, he helped me to achieve the positions I achieved and did in Scientology. However, on the dark side, he also introduced all of us -- and indeed he thrust us -- into his practices of cruelty, inhumanity, abuse and punishment, all of which he systematically reframed as positive and as requirements for enlightenment.

On the ship he soon appointed me as Master at Arms, which is like an Ethics Officer, a person in charge of ethics and morals, [6:00] and my first assignment came very quickly; I received a hand-written about an electrician, an Australian called Terry Dickinson. Terry had failed to get a radio to the ship within a certain period of time, and this order said that Terry was to stay awake until the radio was on board and operating. If he fell asleep he would never again eat with the crew, talk with the crew, or sleep below deck. He would be literally excommunicated -- by that time we had signed billion-year contracts -- so, for a naive person, he would be in that state for a billion years.

I was so shocked; I could not let Terry fail and I vowed to stay awake with him, because he was my responsibility, for as long as it took to get that radio on board. [7:00] When it got very bad after the third day I would sometimes push food down his throat; I would make sure he had water and in the middle of the night, when he cried and said he could not go on, I made him walk up and down the beach. So I put Terry -- I'm guilty in my first little assignment in the Sea Org, of great abuse on Terry Dickinson and I hope that someday he can forgive me. We did make it; the radio came on board and I sent Terry off to sleep.

During this time LRH, as we called him, or Hubbard, lived in a villa outside Las Palmas. Yvonne Jentzsch, another Sea Org member, lived with him; she was in charge of his public relations. And Yvonne told me later on that Hubbard, many many times, approached her sexually and wanted to have a sexual relationship with her even though [8:00] she was married and even though his wife, Mary Sue, came to visit from time to time. Eventually, to get away, Yvonne requested an assignment ashore somewhere in an organization away from the ship, and she was sent to Los Angeles to start the first Celebrity Center.

Soon after that Hubbard appointed me as captain of the 150-foot trawler called the Avon River, and almost immediately OT III was released. I think you all know OT III, with the body spirits on you and the evil ruler Xenu who sent us all to this planet; I won't go into the story. All of us were ordered to read the material and apply it. And I opened the pack and I read the material and I could not believe that I was supposed to apply this to myself. [9:00]

From that point on, until I left in 1984, I struggled with that material. I struggled day by day by day, because I could not apply it. Of course, the fault wasn't Hubbard's; the fault was mine, and I had to keep looking within myself for the fault that was keeping me from understanding the materials and applying them correctly. And that's when my headaches started.

Part II

Hamburg Symposium - Hana Whitfield Part II

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And from that point on they got worse and worse and worse and I was, finally, never without a headache for the rest of my Sea Org career. They are now gone. I mean, they started to go after I left. And I associated with the mental trauma one has to go through in applying some of those techniques when they do not apply to you. And the most important thing about this is that we... our right to speak out was taken away in Scientology. Our right to express an opinion was not just limited by Hubbard's policy; it was totally obliterated. Everything you find fault with in Scientology is put back on you; it is not a fault of the organization.

A little bit later, after that, one of our crew members was assigned the condition of Liability -- the first time [1:00] in the Sea Org. She had to wear a grey rag. She had a great big black mark on her cheek. She was excommunicated from the crew. She had to eat her food on deck -- if the cook would give her any -- until she had met certain conditions and she could come back into good standing with the rest of the crew.

A little while after that Hubbard assigned his big ship, the Apollo, the condition of Liability for the entire ship and all the crew. And those crew sailed out of Valencia Harbor with a grey material tied around the funnel of the ship, all the crew with grey rags and those grey marks on their cheeks, and the ship had to go out on its own and make good what it had done wrong; it was not allowed to communicate with Hubbard or the other ships. It was on its own. And I [2:00] remember seeing that ship sail out with that grey material around the funnel and I said to myself, "This is going to cause a lot of trouble in the port with the Spaniards, and the people in the harbor who do not understand what's going on." And sure enough, from that point on, our little ship went around after the big one cleaning up all the messes in each port, the misunderstandings of what Hubbard was creating.

Then came the chain lockers. I don't know if you all know what a chain locker is. It is a big steel compartment, in the front of the ship, where the anchor chain is curled up when the anchor is out of the water. And it's dark in there; it is cold, and when you're out on the ocean it's freezing and it's damp. Hubbard started putting people in there for punishment. The first one he put in was a four-year-old boy, Derek Greene. Derek [3:00] had to be in there for five days and five nights, and the little boy was put in with just his normal clothes. He was not given extra blankets, extra clothing, and the worst thing of all -- he was given food -- he was not allowed to go to the bathroom. He was left in there like that for five days and five nights.

It brings on a... excuse me. I was there when it happened. [pauses for about 10 seconds]

Even worse, Felice Greene -- Derek's mother -- was on deck pleading with Hubbard to let her child out and all he said was... [accepts a glass of water] ... all he said was, [4:00] "Children are really adults in children's bodies. They know what they've done. He knows what he's done," and he turned away from the mother. You would say to yourself "Why didn't you do anything? Why didn't you speak out?" You see, I was a true believer. I believed that Hubbard knew what he was doing. I, unfortunately, believed that he knew what it was going to take to help everyone in the world and that, even though I didn't understand, it was my duty to follow and support what he was doing and none of us spoke out. None of us did anything.

I have many more things to talk about; I think my time is almost up. I will go through a few very quickly. The overboards -- throwing people overboard -- started soon after that. The first [5:00] person who did something stupid was thrown from the flying bridge, four stories down, into the water. Shortly after that in Corfu, Greece people were thrown overboard in a ceremony every day; it became a normal thing -- ninety-two, ninety-five meters down into the dirty harbor water. When LRH, Hubbard -- who watched every day -- saw the "sinners" enjoying themselves -- they would march to the, they would march up and jump into the water -- and when he saw them enjoying themselves he ordered their hands tied behind their back. Then, a week later, he ordered their feet tied as well. And then maybe a week later he ordered them blindfolded as well. And I watched as a sixty-year-old lady was thrown overboard, and she screamed all the way down into the water. And when the sound stopped Hubbard looked interested [6:00] for the first time and sent two deck hands overboard to make sure she was ok and help her back on board.

His rages continued. At times I heard from his cabin sounds like dishes, objects being thrown against the bulkhead. He started physically beating people as well, which I've heard is something David Miscavige does. There was one young man who was assigned to the bottom of the ship, into the bilges where the waste oil and water collects from the ship, from the engine room, and Hubbard liked to send people down there to clean out the mudboxes, as they are called. And again, Michael Douglas was down there for several days, not allowed any sleep, not allowed to go to the bathroom, not allowed any toilet paper, and he was fed meager meals. Allowed no sleep.

Did one of us question [7:00] how denying someone going to the toilet would help their salvation? Did one of us ask how denying somebody toilet paper would help? Not one, and I'm truly ashamed to tell you that today. And the only thing I can tell you is that this is the totalitarian organization that Hubbard created. This is the culture he created. Once you are in that culture you do not think logically. Your logical thought processes are turned off; you are committed to his ideals, his vision of the future, and you pardon everything he does.

And I'm going to end it off at that point. I would like to say that, a final word about people who do manage [8:00] to get out of the organization. When I walked out of the Fort Harrison Hotel in Clearwater in 1982, I had no one to go to. I had no family in the United States. I had no friends. I was a Declared Suppressive. I had no money. I did not drive a car. And that is what kept me from leaving for years, because I constantly had the thought in my background for years: "I need to leave. Something is not right."

But the fear of going out on my own to no one, nowhere, with nothing, kept me from doing that. The only thing that pushed me into that, finally, was the fact that I thought I was going crazy. The pain in my head was so bad I could not work, and I was starting to get what I call almost "two Hanas." There were two parts of me. Once a little... at one time [9:00] I would be one, at one time I would be another and in agreement with Scientology, and then I would flip back to the other one who knew I had to leave. And that scared the hell out of me. And that was when I finally said "I'm out of here" and it took me three months to leave; it was very arduous.

Thank you so much. I want to thank Ursula; I want to gratefully thank the state of Hamburg and thank you to the wonderful Anonymous people who are here. You are a joy to see. Thank you.



Jesse Prince's Speech
March 26, 2010
Hamburg, Germany


Part I

Hamburg Symposium - Jesse Prince Part I

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Hello, everyone. I guess I'll start off with borrowing a lyric from The Grateful Dead: "What a long, strange trip it's been." My journey into Scientology started in 1976. I was in San Francisco and I was a young guy; I was twenty-one years old and full of piss and vinegar, trying to figure out what to do with my life. And I was walking down the street and this very attractive woman came up to me, and she asked me would I like to know more about myself. I thought for a moment and I said "No, but I'd certainly like to know more about you."

The next thing you know I'm in the Organization. I don't know how she did it but she got me in there, and the next thing you know I'm on staff. Well, a Mission from Los Angeles came to San Francisco [1:00] and this is the first time I saw these people in these Navy Uniforms running around and I'm like "What, are we getting raided? I mean, what's going on here? -- Oh, this is the Sea Org." So I find out all about this. Now, I had done work; I could sell. I was always a persuasive seller. So I sold their books to psychiatrists and whoever else I could get my hands on, so they thought that I was a dynamic person. But the fact of the matter is I'm from Chicago and we know how to survive.

So, you know, they came in and they gave me the spiel, you know, and "It's the greatest good for the greatest number" yick yick, on and on. I said "I'll try it." I went down to LA and we stayed at a house on La Brea; it was Charlie Chaplin's old home that he had owned there; it was a beautiful chateau. The only problem was, it was sixteen of us [2:00] in one room. And, we used to stand naked to get in the shower, you know, and it was a bathtub so you had to step -- and anyway, it was terrible. At a certain point when I started to realize, "You know, maybe this isn't so good, you know?"

By this time, now I'm working and they have me doing renovations, building the complex of that blue building that they currently have in Los Angeles. I was one of the first persons to go in there to prepare the buildings to become organizations. Well, it started. I'm not allowed to sleep until certain things are completed. And I kind of, you know, "Okay, I'll do it one time." And then they want it again. And I said... they keep asking me, and it was obvious that this was never going to stop. So I told them, "I'm finished. I'm going to bed now." And I got up and I went to bed.

I was probably asleep for fifteen minutes [3:00] before someone came. "You must come and see, you know, Wayne Marple," he's the ... Dead L. Ron's henchman or whatever he was, you know. He's connected to Dead L. Ron and he has the power. So they woke me up and they sent me down, and his name was Wayne Marple and he said, "You know, you've been doing kind of a good job around here but you weren't supposed to go to sleep. You sleep when the job is finished." Well, I used some rather colorful language on him and told him, "You know what? And on top of that, I'm out of here. Go to hell."

I turned to leave. He said, "Oh, you really think you're gonna go somewhere, huh?" And as he's speaking I'm being surrounded by these... people; I'd never seen them before but they were certainly larger than me. And he said "As a matter of fact, you're going to the RPF." [4:00] And I'm like, "What is that? Rehabilitation Project Force. I don't want to rehabilitate anyone's project. I'm outta here."

No.

Literally, for the next three months, the people that grabbed me -- physically, we were tussling -- and they put me in a room, and locked the door and they had a guard on the other side. And for three months, somehow, I had become incarcerated. Not only incarcerated, now I'm in solitary confinement. And I'm just kicking the walls and I'm just going nuts and they're coming in there, "You stop it, and you do this..." and this went on for almost three months. And finally, I'm like, "What do I have to do to get out of here?" And he said, "You must learn Dead L. Ron's technology perfectly and apply it to yourself, and once you've done that and you still want to leave then you can go." [5:00]

I didn't think much of it; I said ok, I was up to the challenge. So I started cooperating with them; I started studying the material and applying it to myself. And at some point while that was happening, the old Jesse Prince checked out and the new one was here. I ended up helping to build practically every organization in that blue building; I was in the RPF for eighteen months.

I had no concept, really, about family or my prior life or what I was doing because I was so focused and studying so hard. I had forgotten why I was even studying in the first place. And you know, I learned it, apparently, too well. I learned their materials too well because somehow [6:00] I became the person that understood that idiotic chatter they call "technology" better than any of them did.

So, Dead L. Ron sent the Mission to all the orgs, and he wanted to find the person that understood the "technology" the best, to bring them to Golden Era Productions -- INT Management, in Gilman Hot Springs -- so that that person would help them correct the rest of the Scientology organization, so that it was performing to his standards. I didn't really know much about Dead L. Ron and I really didn't have any desire to be around him, you know, I'm... but, I came up as the person that knew it the most so they dragged me up there, under protest, and I started in.

One of the first persons that L. Ron wanted me to correct was David Miscavige's wife, Shelly Miscavige. And I see this little girl, I mean she has to be [7:00] all of twenty years old, nineteen, and she's caked with mud and she's crying and on and on and on and it's like everybody hates her, but "This is his wife, ooooh," you know. So, her and I certainly became fast friends and I helped her out of her situation.

Then, you know, I'm getting the advices and the notices from L. Ron and I'm doing this, that and the other thing and I won't belabor that, what had happened, because I really have to move forward. But one special thing that did happen: his granddaughter, Roanne -- I guess that was his only granddaughter at the time, or may have ever been his only granddaughter -- this little girl, he really loved this child; she was a princess to him. And whatever she wanted, he would do anything.

Well, her mother -- his daughter, Diana Hubbard -- left Scientology, left the Sea Org, bragging about having sex on airplanes. I mean, she's experiencing [8:00] life for the first time and she is loving it. And L. Ron wanted custody of the child, Roanne, turned over to another person that was within Scientology that she was married to -- his name's John Horwich -- anyway, he wanted custody turned over to her. He sent David Miscavige to do it and he failed. He sent another big person in Scientology at the time, a woman named Vicki Aznaran, and she failed. Marc Yeager, COC MO INT, he failed. All of them doing Lower Conditions now, when I get there.

So, after I took care of my first little duty with... I got Shelly going good, now you have to now go back to Flag where you came from and get Diana Hubbard to sign over custody of her only child to this man that's still in the Sea Org. And I was informed about the prior failures, and I was informed that if one more [9:00] failure happened on this project, back to the Rehabilitation Project Force I'd go, you know. So I'm like, "This is a hell of an invitation and welcome to this new job." My new job was Inspector General Cramming Officer. God knows what the hell that was supposed to mean.

So I went out there, followed their orders, got my little briefcase and, you know, and went there and she was expecting me; I arrived back in Clearwater and as soon as I walked in the door I'm like, "Hello, Diana, you know why I'm here." -- "Yes, I do. Where are the papers? I'll sign 'em now" -- I'm like "Oh, my God. This can't be happening." Because she told those people where to get off and where to go, and they got in so much trouble, and as soon as I walked in the door she's like, "Okay, I'll sign. I'm not fooling with this stuff. I don't care." She's having so much fun in her life.

Part II

Hamburg Symposium - Jesse Prince Part II

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So now, you know, when you do these missions for Scientology you arrive, and there's a certain sequence; you get yourself established and then you immediately go and do a couple steps on a program, and you call back to report. Well, I'm there like ten minutes and I'm done. So her and I actually sat and had lunch and lively conversation and talked about things 'cause I needed some time to pass before I could call in to them and explain that my mission was accomplished.

And I let an hour go by; we had a great lunch up in the penthouse, and I called in and I said, "Well, report on target one: arrived." Yeah, well that's happening; we're on the phone. "Report on target two: your room," on and on, and then I said, "Look, I'm done. I've done all the steps. She signed all the papers." -- "What? What?"-- "Yes, she signed the papers." --"Oh my god. Get on the first plane back, we wanna see these papers and boy, you better make sure she had 'em signed in the right place and yada yada yada." Because [1:00] there was no such thing at that time in Scientology of using lawyers on the family members themselves; it had to be personal.

And sure enough, I go back and give them these papers, and they look at me like I literally walk on water. They're like, "How did you do it?" And you know I lied: "Oh, she gave me so much trouble. Oh, she just put me through the wringer," you know, and I was "I told her, and I threatened her and blah blah blah," you know, whatever I could make up. "Oh, well. You got the job done." And they forwarded this information to L. Ron Hubbard, that I had actually accomplished this when everyone else had failed. And he sent me a very nice gift that came in handy later. For doing that, I was given a Ruger Mini-14 Assault Rifle with a banana clip, .223. So now I'm a real soldier of fortune, right?

And [2:00] it started from there. So now, you know, I'm going through all of INT Management; I was the personal auditor of Miscavige, the personal auditor of anyone in power and I was the supervisor of these people. Now, they're asking me to do things that I've never done, never trained for, never studied for; just do it. I guess I was the make-it-go-right guy. Well, some years passed and things... in all honestly, we had it pretty good; because now, for the first time in Scientology, I'm making money. I mean I'm -- you know, I get a salary; I've got unlimited expenses; I have hot and cold running slaves attending to anything I could possibly want. I mean, if I sat a cup down someone would "Mmmm, pick it up!" and, you know, fix my room and a personal chef that cooked whatever the hell I wanted every day, and this went on and on [3:00] and it was kind of like the honeymoon phase.

And we built this organization; we built the Religious Technology Center into a big organization and we put extensions of it in Flag and the EU and we were here, we were there; we built up International - CSI. I don't, I never say that "C" word when I refer to Scientology, you know that "Church," but we expanded all of Scientology International and things were really on a roll. I mean, there was a lot of new people getting in and we were doing fantastic. And... Dead L. Ron had to mess it up.

He was upset; he was involved in a legal case where they wanted to bring him in for depositions. He was sued by all kind of people everywhere, and he saw his grip on Scientology slipping. [4:00] And he targeted Miscavige for that. So now they're, Miscavige and Hubbard are like this [bumping fists together]. And I'm the person to sort it out. So I can't tell you how many times I've had that, this person that I now hear goes and beats up people -- he's only this big, for one thing -- but this person that now goes around, Slappy Dave, kicking and doing all of this, would be crying on the floor. Wheezing and blehbleh, you know. Anyway.

Hubbard was upset; he knew Scientology was slipping from him and he figured Miscavige was the one doing it, so he sicced me on him, and I sic 'em good. And what I found out, you know, through the Security Checking -- Sec Checking, interrogation, whatever you want to call it -- and what I found out was that Miscavige, you know [5:00], as Hubbard was making his exit from Scientology he wanted as much paper money as he could get, so suitcases of hundred-dollar bills, like millions of dollars, were being carried to him like, every other week or, you know, once a month or whatever.

Well, come to find out Little Davey was the one taking it to him, who would then give it to Pat Broeker, who would then give it to Dead L. Ron -- who wasn't dead at the time, not physically, but in his mind he's been dead a long time. Come to find out, these two were taking the money, going to Vegas, gambling like hell, having a great time and then just bringing just part of the money back. And they go away with it because Dead L. Ron never opened up the suitcases. He was too busy screaming at these BTs and clusters to get off of him. He was too busy taking drugs prescribed by psychiatrists and psychologists. He was too busy trying to get electric shock to get these BTs off of him. [6:00]

Now, wait a minute. Wait a minute. We all know Scientology doesn't believe in health care. We all know that you can't see a psychologist or a psychiatrist. This is what we found out when he died: I went to... he lived in a bus called The Bluebird, and I went in there and I opened up his medicine cabinet and out fell a zillion pills. I'm like, "What is this? How hypocritical is this?" That was 1986. Well, and the locals had told me he was buying Marijuana off of the people and all kinds of shit.

He dies. Pat Broeker was supposed to take over. Loyal Officer... LO one, LO two... you know, wherever these people come up with this stuff, I don't know. But he's insane, too. I mean, [7:00] this guy, you can't have a rational conversation with him. I mean, you start talking to him about apples and the next thing you know we're talking about growing pineapples, you know? It was very difficult to talk to this person. I mean, he was not lucid in his mind. And Miscavige had a valid problem: what would happen if this guy took over Scientology? He's nuts; he'll tear it all up. Miscavige saved Scientology from Dead L. Ron, and now he has this threat of Pat Broeker. Well, he made the decision: I'm getting rid of him.

So at that point Scientology divided. You had -- especially in INT Management, RTC part -- RTC was originally formed by the Broekers, so we were supposed to be loyal to them. CSI, Scientology International and all of that, were more things that Miscavige was doing. And he came to me and he [8:00] said, "Look, you need to make a decision; you're either going to be on my team or you're outta here, 'cause I'm getting ready to clean house." And I was sitting there in my office and I'm like, "You know what? I should've left long ago. I should've just got myself outta here."

My problem was, I started enjoying it too much because I had perqs, because I could do this that these idiots, apparently, couldn't do. And that's wrong. I never beat anybody, spit on anybody, or any of that crap. To me that's an insult to a human, our human nature. So, I told him no. A couple of days later, six o'clock in the morning, there's a knock on my door: "Come, you have to go up to the office." I go up to the office and there's a whole [9:00], you know, there's Marty Rathbun; there's Mike Rinder; Miscavige; Norman Starkey; Greg Wilhere, yick yick on and on, all of these people, in their full regalia with the ribbons and the this, that and the other thing.

And he sits me down, and the person who was my direct, who I was answerable to, Vicki Aznaran, sitting in the corner crying with dirt on her face already; she hadn't even got to the RPF yet. I mean, I don't know what the hell they did to her before they got her up there. And she's just boohooing and boohooing, and he says "You're stripped of all of your rank; you're stripped of everything and you're going to the RPF! Rawr!" and he's screaming and he's frothing at the mouth. And I said, "no, I'm not." He said, "yes you are, and by the way, CALL ME SIR!"

More colorful language from Jesse Prince.

Part III

Hamburg Symposium - Jesse Prince Part III

Transcript of Part III
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And I got up to leave. And again, just like happened when they did before, they all came on me. Difference this time is, is that I've studied Okinawan Goju Ryu Karate for two years and I was a black belt now, and I wore their asses out. And I walked out of his office, and I went to my room and I went and got that nice present that Dead L. Ron gave me: that Mini-14 Assault Rifle, and I had a .45, and I loaded 'em up. I had a banana clip; I could've killed them all five or six times each.

And I went up there with those guns, and they all had come out of Miscavige's office at that point, trying to figure out what they're going to do to me. And I walked up with those guns and I said, you know, "Who has the power now? Who wants to challenge me now? Who has anything to say to me now?" And the one [1:00] person spoke up, it was Norman Starkey, South African guy, and he says, "You traitor! You can't kill us all." And I said, "Maybe not, but your ass'll be the first one to go."

By this time Miscavige is shaking, everybody doesn't know what to do because I have the rifle on my hip and the gun like this, waving it, like grrrr!, you know, and he's like, "Please, Jesse. Please." He told everybody, "Get away; we didn't handle this right! Please, come on, Jesse." You know, "Come on, let's talk. Please put the guns away, please, please, please." You know, and I, "Okay, okay," and I take my guns and I unload them and I put 'em back in my room, and we go down to -- I guess what's known as the clipper ship now -- and we have a conversation.

And the conversation was, "Jesse, you know that Scientology is fragmented right now. You know that it needs to come together; we've all worked too hard to build this organization. You know the struggle. [2:00] I need you to go to the RPF for me, just so I can bring the group back together. Then I'll get you out and everything will be fine. Could you please just do that for me?"

"Mehhh, okay."

Well, I go to the RPF -- Happy Valley, you know, they used to call that the Happy Valley, the Institute for the Criminally Insane -- and I went there, and they really did everything they could to make me feel as uncomfortable as possible, to bring as much pressure, I mean, I could use colorful words but I'm not going to do that because I'm going to wrap this up real quick. Anyway, I ended up leaving and I came back, because they had my wife.

Now, prior to getting in Scientology I already had two kids that I wasn't raising, and now I wasn't even around to see. I'd already forsaken my family, friends [3:00] , people, no one even knew who I was. I had decided: not one more person will I forsake for this organization. I'm not going to leave my wife there. So I came back and I stayed, but I didn't audit anymore. I let them know. "Those days are done. I'm done being your little whipping boy to teach this 'technology' to people. I'd rather work on grounds shovelling dirt than to touch that meter one more time, than to crack those crazy books one more time and read this stuff."

"Okay, okay," you know, then they start the buttering up process again, and the next thing you know I'm doing e-meter drills with Tom Cruise, you know? But one day my wife came to me and she said, "You know what? I get it. Let's go." And we left. They got us back one more time after that, too, but we still got out of there. And I got out and I tried my best [4:00] to, they said, you know, you're supposed to get a Freeloader Bill and this, that, and the other thing when you go and pay back all of this money.

I said, "Please do not waste your time trying to figure out how much money you think I owe you, because I am done with the subject. I don't care what the hell you guys do. Just let me outta here." And eventually I got out. Well, that wasn't good enough for them. PIs following me; got me fired from my job, this, that, and the other thing, you know. There's just no satisfying these people.

So, in 1999 I was sitting on the internet and I was reading, and I saw some stuff from Arnie Lerma and I saw something from a woman, Stacy Brooks, and we're speaking out and that was unheard of. Prior to the advent of the internet the only way to really get a broad message out was either it had to be in a newspaper or on television, and Scientology had that fixed because if you said anything critical of Scientology, [5:00] the horde of lawyers that they're able to afford, because of all of these people that I've helped them get into Scientology, because of all of these organizations that I helped them build; now they have the capacity to not only destroy me, but corporations. And put them into submission.

And I said, "You know what? I'm done with this now. I'm going after 'em and I'm going to get 'em. This is finished." Got together with Arnie Lerma, Bob Minton. "Let's start protesting. Let's go to their organizations with signs and let's give 'em the business." I don't know, you guys have probably seen my first picket in Boston, especially the Anonymous people here. Bob ended up going to jail, and I ended up telling one of the staff members who his real parents were. [points to himself] And it carried on from there. We picketed in Boston. We picketed in [6:00] Los Angeles. We picketed in Washington, D.C. We went out to the country and picketed.

And pretty soon a groundswell started; we had so many people helping us. Well, we became the prime target of Scientology and I'll explain how. We had the Lisa McPherson Trust, we were doing our pickets, we were getting people out. We were on the same block that they were on. They were getting them in the door and we were getting them out the door. We became primary targets, and they took us out. And I could speak more about that, but that's not the point that I'm going to make right now.

They took us out and I went through a lot of, you know, harassment, this, that and the other thing and I literally went away; I stopped everthing in 2002 and I just went away. I couldn't take it anymore. I couldn't take going to my car and seeing my car door kicked in anymore, or my tires slashed, or another job rejection [7:00] because Scientology's giving them information about me. And I stopped.

And I was pretty despondent for a long time, I'll tell you. I felt like all the work that I had done -- like Mrs. Whitfield, I had done a lot of interventions, gotten people to see; I studied -- I was just as good with convincing them to get out as I was getting them in, and we were doing very well. But it was a thankless job, because the people that I was trying to help hadn't had enough time to get their sensibilities back, so I'd help them and they'd disappear. And I said, "You know what? I'm done. I've done what I'm gonna do." And I stopped.

And I guess it was 19... 2008, 2009, I started looking on the internet again about the subject of Scientology. And the first thing I see is these people [8:00] with these masks on, [laughs] and they're giving 'em complete hell! There's a woman, Patricia Greenway -- who is not an OSA plant, by the way -- said, "Jesse, you will not believe what these kids are doing. You will not believe what they're doing with these organizations now."

And I started looking, and I just was so proud. Finally I felt like -- I don't need to be thanked or anything -- but I felt like at least one thing, something that I was doing carried forward, somebody picked it up. And you guys did, and I want to thank you for that. I want to thank you guys from the bottom of my heart, because when you're doing this you're helping people like me, and these other people here, and even the fools downstairs that are still doing it, wake up.

Wake up.

Thank you.



Bruce Hines' Speech
March 26, 2010
Hamburg, Germany


Part I

Hamburg Symposium - Bruce Hines Part I

Transcript of Part I
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Good evening. My name's Bruce Hines and first I'll start by telling you a little bit about myself. Ursula asked that I speak about life in the Sea Org. And all of us here, at least five of us, were in the Sea Org for many years and we all have our own horror stories because there are horrible things that happen. So, I'll tell you a few of the things I personally experienced. They all could give you similar stories.

First, I'll start to tell you a bit about myself. I was in Scientology for thirty years. I started in 1972 and I left it in 2003. Before I go much further, I'd also like to thank Anonymous. I attended some anonymous protests in Denver, where I live. It's actually a small [1:00] organization there in Denver, but there were sixty, seventy, eighty anonymous people there at some of the times. It was great to see and Graham Berry posted something on the Internet where, evidently, the Church of Scientology -- the "church" in quotation marks -- was accusing me of being a member of Anonymous and they have pictures of me at these protests. All I can say is I am proud that they accuse me of being a member of Anonymous.

So I was in for 30 years. I left. After I got out of Scientology I was able to go back to school. I'd been at the university before I went into Scientology thirty-plus years before. And I was studying physics [2:00] at that time and, like many people, particularly young people, I got pulled into Scientology. Then I left and I was able to complete my studies in physics. I got a degree. Then, I went further and got a Masters degree in electrical engineering and I'm now working at a major American university and I'm doing research in particle physics. Now, I'm not saying that to brag or because I think that's really cool or something but I'm trying to make the point that somehow people who have some intelligence and are able to do things, they still get sucked in

All of these people here, they're good friends of mine; I know them very well and, somehow, they also -- they're now very successful in what [3:00] they do -- but still you can get sucked into an organization like this. I am particularly glad that in Germany there are some organizations, some of the Verfassungsdienst, that they keep an eye on Scientology, they watch it, and I really hope that that does not stop.

There is a capacity of a human being to somehow get seduced, sucked into something, and they actually lose their ability to think rationally. Hana mentioned that point and that was very much the case for me. I actually started Scientology here in Germany. I was living in Stuttgart at the time and that was where [4:00] I finally decided, "Okay, I'm going to do this. I'm going to be a Scientologist."

Like many people who get into Scientology, I was young. I was about twenty or twenty-one years old and many people of that age are searching. They're probably a little unsure of themselves; they're asking themselves who they are. What's life about? What do I want to do? Something like Scientology comes along and it's easy -- at least it was for me -- to say, "Oh yeah, that looks good." They, apparently, offer this choice where you can really help people. Most people like to help other people, and this looked like it was the best way to help people, the ultimate way to help people. If only it were true. It's a false help. [5:00] It's a destructive help. It's really not help at all, but it's still enough to get... to suck people in.

And so, I spent thirty years of my life doing that; I left in 2003. And many of us spent many, many years of our lives; we devoted it to it. And if you're very dedicated as a Scientologist -- more than most -- then you join the so-called Sea Organization, and this is what Ursula wanted me to speak about. There are many, many things that we could all tell you about.

I joined that in 1979, so I was in the Sea Org for twenty-four years and I did various things there. I was a so-called auditor. Some people, some media people, like to interview me because I audited Nicole Kidman and Kirstie Alley [6:00] and some people like that. But it's the life in the Sea Org which is part of the mind control. I'll just give you sort of an example. It varied; it got worse and worse as time went on, particularly in the late 90s and in the 2000s in got especially crazy.

But a typical day is that you wake up pretty early in the morning and you, one of the first things you have to do is go to a muster. Before that, though, you have to put on your uniform that looks like you're in the Navy even though you're not in the Navy at all, and it has to look good; it has to be pressed. And you go and you stand in rows; you have to stand at attention, and they count. They make sure everybody's there; make sure no one's missing. [7:00] And then you go off and you do whatever job you have, and then you're given a brief time for lunch, not long. Typically it was thirty minutes, and then you, one again, have to go stand in rows and they count and they look to make sure everybody's there. Then that happens again at dinner time, and typically you could work 'til eleven PM, possibly midnight, or often maybe to two or three in the morning and have to get up at seven again. This goes on day after day after day.

Oh boy. It's pretty... uh, it's crazy. You don't get any time off. There are no vacations. You don't get a weekend. You're seven days a week for months. For years. [8:00] That is a form of mind control. You're constantly told that things are an emergency, that if we don't work really hard and really long some horrible thing is going to happen, and we believe that if we don't do this that there's no hope for mankind. We're told over and over again that only Scientology has the solutions to the problems of the world, and without Scientology things will get worse and worse and worse and worse.

That's another mind-control technique. You are there to help. You have a purpose of saving the world, really, and that is exploited by, started with Mr. Hubbard. He came up [9:00] with this very clever way to get people to work extremely long hours for virtually no money. You make very, very little money. It depended where and when; when I was in New York, just before I left, we would get paid on a Saturday and it was usually about fifteen dollars for a week. That was the amount of money I made in a week.

Anyway, life goes on like that in the Sea Org. Then we come to something that Jesse talked about: the Rehabilitation Project Force, or the RPF. So I'll tell you a little bit about that. Most Sea Org members I know spent at least some time in the RPF. I think possibly Marc's an exception, there.



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