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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:01 am

Nexuiz Community Statement: IllFonic's Nexuiz

On behalf of the Nexuiz community,

To whom it may concern,

We, the Free, Open Source Nexuiz community, are writing this letter to all the people out there, who actually care. On the 1st of March 2010, we were all struck by very unexpected and sad news: Lee Vermeulen, the founder of our beloved open-source game "Nexuiz" had given away the domain "nexuiz.com" and licensed the title "Nexuiz" to the Colorado-based video game developer "IllFonic". IllFonic is currently working on a first person shooter to be published under the name "Nexuiz" for consoles.


Background

The founder of Nexuiz, Lee Vermeulen stopped contributing regularly to the project four years ago. The Nexuiz project evolved through contributions of countless developers, artists, musicians and player feedback into a game that is perceived as one of the most successful open source projects of its genre, making its way into the Phoronix benchmark suite.

In February, the community was told that there was something "great" about to happen to the main domain "nexuiz.com". It was more than a shock for most people in the community to discover what happened on the 1st of March 2010: a group of software developers named "IllFonic" revealed that they are planning a console mockup of the game the Nexuiz community created with love and passion over the years. Besides making use of community-developed code that was licensed under the GPL, giving rise to debates about license violations, IllFonic also intends to publish its console game with exactly the same title, while claiming it would be a good thing for the Nexuiz community as a whole.

It turned out that Lee Vermeulen had licensed the name Nexuiz to IllFonic for this purpose. It also turned out that some of the main developers had been asked if they would object to parts of their code being commercially re-used, and they gave their permission to such re-usage. However, none of the developers said that they were informed that the commercial re-usage of the code would involve the commercial usage of the name "Nexuiz".

On March 3rd in 2010 Kedhrin Gonzalez - "Lead Designer and Co-Founder of IllFonic, LLC" posted on the official Alientrap Nexuiz boards: "I know this will come as a shock to some of you. I apologize for us having to keep this in the dark from you guys for so long. Some of you felt offended by this project being kept in the dark. Let me personally say this was not our intent. If anything, we want you guys to feel great about the things we are doing. We had to keep things in the dark until we locked in the rights from Dark Places and Alien Trap." (http://alientrap.org/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 039#p76039)


Communicating with the people involved

After the immediate uproar, the community brought forward measures that could enable a peaceful, if not mutual profitable coexistence. To avoid confusion it was suggested that IllFonic uses any kind of derivative name or a suffix in connection with the title "Nexuiz". Any approaches on part of the Nexuiz community to reach a compromise on the name were rejected. At the same time, Kedhrin Gonzalez continuously emphasized that he wants the Nexuiz community to be happy and that he is respecting the community.

IllFonic initially also made clear that there is no intention of supporting Nexuiz - which Kedhrin Gonzalez began referring to as 'GPL Nexuiz', - in any way. The only benefits for Nexuiz as a result of this deal will ostensibly be game engine updates by Forest "Lord Havoc" Hale, the developer of the Darkplaces engine.

When the thread started to get a high Google rank for the term "IllFonic Nexuiz", it was locked by Forest "Lord Havoc" Hale, who still is a moderator of the Alientrap forums. This happened on request of Kedhrin Gonzalez. This is a short quote from the official Alientrap developer IRC channel, to show what the situation is about
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<LordHavoc> locked that topic at Kedhrin's request
<Samual> -.-
<Samual> Seriously?
<LordHavoc> yes
<LordHavoc> he said it's the top result on google and looks like it will never end
<Samual> Meh I think i'm --- Meh.
<LordHavoc> he doesn't mind people making other topics for it, just that one is becoming too much of a headache for him
<Samual> Tell him to come to this channel, clearly you're talking to him from somewhere.
<tZork> so now he gets to moderate gpl nexuiz forrum?

All this happened while Kedhrin Gonzalez was still claiming to respect the community. As a free software project, Nexuiz has always been a place of open-minded and respectful people and a place where rational discussion and free speech was held important. Abusing its connections to Alientrap forum moderators to limit or stop the ongoing discussion about the IllFonic project in this way is perceived by the Nexuiz community as an affront and open gesture of disrespect.

In the meantime, the thread got unlocked again by Forest "Lord Havoc" Hale, who stated that he felt "annoyed" by the development of the thread and that this was the main reason for locking the thread.

This leads to the question, how are we, the Nexuiz community, supposed to feel great about all this? Why did neither IllFonic nor Lee Vermeulen discuss its plans with the Nexuiz community in advance, with the people that made Nexuiz what it is today both through playing and creating? The people that have shown how great things can be achieved through open discussion? Without all the volunteer work and free time invested in this project it would have never become what it is today. Yet, despite all reaffirmations of IllFonic's goodwill, there was no room for a single compromise on any issues that were raised constructively from the Nexuiz community.


What does the Nexuiz community object to?

That being said, it is not surprising that the Nexuiz community is shocked and offended by the recent developments. The name "Nexuiz" has a value, which has been built up by community members like divVerent, esteel, Samual, [-z-], Morphed, FruitieX, MrBougo, tZork, mand1nga, Merlijn, Tenshihan, C.Brutail and many more. Not to mention the collaborative brainpower of the community that went into this project in the form of feedback, suggestions and discussions about gameplay and game content. These things are of course lacking a 'papertrail' of commit logs in svn and such, yet they contribute to the value of the name Nexuiz.

The Nexuiz community objects to this value being sold without giving anything back to the community in return. IllFonic clearly stated there will be no contribution art-wise to the open-source Nexuiz. All the community can hope is that improvements to the Darkplaces engine, made by LordHavoc while porting it to the consoles under contract with IllFonic, will be useful on the PC platform. Not a big reward for the harm the whole action has done to the "free software Nexuiz" community.

The Nexuiz community also objects to the name being taken from its project. Having two games published under the same name is simply confusing. In case IllFonic refuses to change the name of its project in even the slightest way, the Nexuiz community will be forced to use a different name for the Open Source Nexuiz project for no comprehensible reason.

Last, but not least, the Nexuiz community objects to all this happening without even being involved nor consulted, even though it was the Nexuiz community that has built up the value of the name "Nexuiz".


What does the Nexuiz community not object to?

We do NOT object to IllFonic making a commercial console version of the game Nexuiz.

We do NOT object to IllFonic using code developed by the community for its commercial game, provided, it is properly licensed.

We do NOT object to IllFonic using the title "Nexuiz" as part of their game title, as long as the full game title is distinctive from the title of the original free and open source game "Nexuiz".

We do NOT object to Lee Vermeulen, Forest "Lord Havoc" Hale and other participating developers making profit out of Nexuiz. They have done great work for the community in the past and still today - Nexuiz would not be what it is without their achievements and contributions. We would like to express our respect and gratitude about their fantastic work.


What are the Nexuiz community's suggestions?

We suggest that both games don't share exactly the same title. This would only lead to confusion and would definitely not only harm the community, but also the "commercial Nexuiz" (or FeeNex™, as it is now referred to by some community members), since the marketability of products suffers from such ambiguity. Confusion could be easily avoided by adding any kind suffix or subtitle to the title "Nexuiz".

Also, we suggest to establish a portal site on http://www.nexuiz.com where both games are represented in an equitable way. It only has to be a single page giving visitors a choice to visit either the commercial console port or the original 'Free, Open Source Nexuiz'. This way, confusion would be easily avoided and the connection between the two projects would become more transparent for the customer. In addition, IllFonic's Nexuiz for consoles would profit from the publicity and the image of the name Nexuiz all the same.


Final statement

The Nexuiz community is disappointed and sad about the way things were handled. On one side, the Nexuiz developers emphasize the community and the Free Software roots they are all coming from, and speculate about respect for all the members, fans and freaks around the Nexuiz scene, and in the end little to no respect is shown to what was established over the years. The name and with it the identity of the Nexuiz community have been taken for commercial purposes, without a single word, until it was all set. Yet, neither IllFonic nor Alientrap were able to provide a reasonable explanation for the necessity to publish IllFonic's console game under exactly the same name as the original open source PC version.


On behalf of the Free Software Nexuiz Community.

Signed (in alphabetical order, validated by forum re-signature):

-maniac|Su-, -z-, [D*B]EQuivalent, [RBI]Karl Ranseier, [ToX]BennyDacks, alien_I_, Aleator, AnArKiSt, Antares, Arikel, Atheros, Axioum, Banshee, Black-Dragon131, Blackmushroom, Bommel, C.Brutail, charlie bravo, chooksta, ColdFission, Cortez, Cuinnton, d3drocks, Droggelbecher, Duelist (Shawn K. Quinn), Ed, eh !, eL_Bart0, EricJ2190, Essiance, evilspacehamster, Fisume, Fjant, Flying Steel, Frogg/kuniu, FruitieX, Growl, Habu, Halogene, HeddiZ, Hew, Hypnosekroete, ilaith, J3r3my (Jeremy G), jngdwe, Komier, Lamoot, Lecithin, Lee_Stricklin, lopho, lost(prophets), MaidenBeast, Mathias, MC SE7EN, michaelb, Mirio, mr3xcellent, narvik86, Oblivion, Od@r, paperclips, parasti, PCLizard, pimpampum, PinkRobot, Pir*, Psychcf, rabs, Rad Ished, Rage Against The Washing Machine, Ravow, Roanoke, RoKenn, Ronan, Ronnie, Samual, sandqst, sassy, Sepelio, sev, Shaggy, Silica Gel: Do Not Eat, SkyBon, SoulKeeper_p, soze, Spectrum, Stealth, subsonik, Taiyo.uk, temhawk, The mysterious Mr. 4m/Amoebios, thedevnull, The player with the unnecessarily long name (ThePWTULN), tZork, vociferous, Vordreller, Zico


Signed clans (in alphabetical order, validated by forum re-signature):

http://www.aussienexers.com - Australian Nexuiz Community
http://DieTunichtguten.org - Die Tunichtguten
http://legion-of-caps.tk/ - Legion of Caps
http://mit.nexuizclans.com/ - Men In Tux (MiT)
http://monksofnexuiz.info/ Monks of Nexuiz
http://nexrun.co.cc/ - Nexrun community
http://nexuiz.it/ - NexuizItalia and Italian Nexuiz Fraggers
http://nfc.forumo.de - Nexuiz Fun Clan / Nexuiz Fun Squad
http://playerkiller.toxicfarm.com - Playerkiller Minstagib Clan
http://prophets.aforumfree.com/ - Prophets Minsta Clan
http://www.bot-nexuiz.de.tl/ - The BOT Clan
http://www.nexuizninjaz.com - Nexuiz Ninjaz
http://xeno.planetnexuiz.com/ - The {x} Community

Signed (in alphabetical order, not validated by forum re-signature):


--SloggerKhan--, [uc]Antares, [uc]jhonny, 337, AckeFIN, Agamalama, Andy, AnnKittyKat, Apo, Apophis, Artemon, aurix, Blacktail, bones_was_here, BOnZa, BrechtvanBommel, Bulletproof, CanadianLinux, Cannibal, Chuck_Norris, CommanderSick, Cribozai, DeadWalker, Dhraakellian, DiaboliK, Die Happy, Edi, Estelle, Evil_mercenary, Fish, God, Grasshopper, Hillis, jayvee, JulianaStein, Khorre, Kolum_Amabo, Lord, lowtek, M@X, Master, McGyver, MrIceblock, Nameless, narayan, Nosferatu, O.I.B., Oxyd, Paul, Peacemaker, player, Player1 Germany, Predator, PSs 777, quadratic, Sardine, Shadowstrike, Slup/Haku, Smithy, Sorasd, standard, stingray300k, Sven, Wytry, XaDoR, Zenyatta, zombie



Signed clans (not validated by forum re-signature):

http://lzr.aussienexers.com/ - lzr clan
http://peacebrothers.de.tl/ - The Peace Brothers
http://akion.planetnexuiz.de LaidBack
http://nexuizclans.com - Nexuiz Clan Community
http://unconnected-clan.de/ - [unconnected] Clan

Note: You don't have to be on the non-validated list in order to sign this. All you need to do to get on the validated signature list is to post a comment like "signed" in this thread.

Link to the original post on the alientrap forum, if copy-pasted to another location: http://alientrap.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6079
Link to the project page of the fork resulting from all this: http://www.xonotic.org
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:03 am

Re: Nexuiz Community Statement: IllFonic's Nexuiz

I hereby sign the statement I just posted :o)

Please validate your signature by posting here. Moderators may of course edit the post in case I am too slow to move the non-validated signatures to "validated".

Thanks to all.

Edit: For the avoidance of doubts: this text is not my accomplishment, I only edited it, wrote parts of it and posted it here. The text was a community collaboration. See viewtopic.php?t=6050&p=76665#p76665 for more info. Thanks for all the contributions!
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<Community>: Why was the name "Nexuiz" licensed to IllFonic in a way that allows IllFonic to use the name without any suffix or subtitle for a commercial console game?
<Lee Vermeulen>:
<Community>: http://www.xonotic.org
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:25 am

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Signed.

Just read through it again. I strongly hope IllFonic will come to their senses and consider using a new name. It's already an uphill battle for them as new indie commercial game developers, and starting off their line-up like this is really not a helpful move for anybody.
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Signed.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 10:52 am

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Signed!

Great work everyone! IF they want the name, have at it you fools! GL/HF with that two front war! :lol: <-- To clarify, its a figure of speech.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 11:00 am

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Just to clarify: this is NOT a declaration of war. It is a statement. :o)

Edit: thanks for clarifying. I don't like war. :o)
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<Community>: Why was the name "Nexuiz" licensed to IllFonic in a way that allows IllFonic to use the name without any suffix or subtitle for a commercial console game?
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<Community>: http://www.xonotic.org
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Signed.

Read over it yesterday. I say good work to whoever cleaned it up from the initial biased mess.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:19 pm

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Thanks - I still would like to add a passage to the text that says

I wrote:"The Nexuiz community really appreciates that Kedhrin Gonzalez got in touch with community members via the forum and IRC to discuss Nexuiz related issues and hopes that a mutual agreeable solution for the items the Nexuiz community objects to can be found quickly and to the satisfaction of all involved parties."


But I can't edit the text without making the validated signatures obsolete. What do you think?
<Community>: Why was the name "Nexuiz" licensed to IllFonic in a way that allows IllFonic to use the name without any suffix or subtitle for a commercial console game?
<Lee Vermeulen>:
<Community>: http://www.xonotic.org
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Not signing, as I don't agree with the message.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:44 pm

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Acknowledged.
<Community>: Why was the name "Nexuiz" licensed to IllFonic in a way that allows IllFonic to use the name without any suffix or subtitle for a commercial console game?
<Lee Vermeulen>:
<Community>: http://www.xonotic.org
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Signed for AussieNexers, as head admin.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:54 pm

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signed!

(i dont donate money for nuttin ya know)

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Good Job!

Signed 8)
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Signed.

Can also confirm "http://playerkiller.toxicfarm.com - Playerkiller Minstagib Clan" as I'm one of the mods there.
halogene wrote:But I can't edit the text without making the validated signatures obsolete. What do you think?

I thinks that's okay as it's mostly a fact. :)
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Signed
HOF:
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Signed for me and in my function as admin for DieTunichtguten.org, too!
I can allready tell that every member of DieTunichtguten.org agrees and signs also.
Do they really all have to get their own account here? :D
I will send them in here, if it's wished, no problem, but is it neccessary? ;)

Greetz on behalf of DieTunichtguten

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Signed! by [DieTunichtguten] Heddiz
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Signed :)
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:09 pm

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I'm agree with the final version.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:09 pm

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Im Namen der Tunichtguten wrote:Signed for me and in my function as admin for DieTunichtguten.org, too!
I can allready tell that every member of DieTunichtguten.org agrees and signs also.
Do they really all have to get their own account here? :D
I will send them in here, if it's wished, no problem, but is it neccessary? ;)


Well, if we want to have the player names on the signature part I'd like to have some sort of visible confirmation on the forum... though of course that doesn't proof anything in the end. But technically, yes, I for one would like to have everyone confirm his signature personally.
<Community>: Why was the name "Nexuiz" licensed to IllFonic in a way that allows IllFonic to use the name without any suffix or subtitle for a commercial console game?
<Lee Vermeulen>:
<Community>: http://www.xonotic.org
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Signed! by [DieTunichtguten] Fjant
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 5:37 pm

Re: Nexuiz Community Statement: IllFonic's Nexuiz

halogene wrote:
Im Namen der Tunichtguten wrote:Signed for me and in my function as admin for DieTunichtguten.org, too!
I can allready tell that every member of DieTunichtguten.org agrees and signs also.
Do they really all have to get their own account here? :D
I will send them in here, if it's wished, no problem, but is it neccessary? ;)
Well, if we want to have the player names on the signature part I'd like to have some sort of visible confirmation on the forum... though of course that doesn't proof anything in the end. But technically, yes, I for one would like to have everyone confirm his signature personally.

Seconded, I think this is as important as any other election or you know ehm.. valuable service a society or community can provide, which requires some form of identification.

This can send a important message to future indie developers that here is something valuable to learned from all of this.

I mean, it is worth the effort to say the least, to register and be able to say:
We think these developers who made Nexuiz what it is today, deserves the same well earned respect they have from the community, from any external actors/so forth.

So, you like Nexuiz and agree with the statement?
PLEASE be sensible, show some respect towards the devs and sign the statement.
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SIGNED
I have left this website with the rest of the GPL Nexuiz community. You can find us at Xonotic.org
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Agreed of course -- I'll sign on the behalf of MiT as well.
Do it yourself, or stop complaining.
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:16 pm

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signed.
There are still 2 things I want to know:

  • Why divVerent didn't signed the statement?
  • On/to wich forums/portals/sites/organisations it will be send/posted/mailed? I just want to know as a signer.

Thanks.
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Signed! By the one and only [Die Tunichtguten] Droggelbecher
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Ya sure signed! What else ?!
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Post Tue Mar 09, 2010 6:37 pm

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Samual wrote:Agreed of course -- I'll sign on the behalf of MiT as well.
Please, read my post here, why its important we do this right and get everyones personal signatures, its a personal decision and statement from all of us, do not sign up for a whole page or clan, let everyone read this and sign IF they want. Thanks for doing the right thing! :)

Antares wrote:signed. There are still 2 things I want to know:
  • Why divVerent didn't signed the statement?
  • On/to wich forums/portals/sites/organisations it will be send/posted/mailed? I just want to know as a signer.
Thanks.

Well its a public official statement, so if we all tell our friends that play Nexuiz, "the rest" will take care of itself. :D
Remember you can just give them just this link: http://icanhaz.com/infos and they end up here in this thread directly and can read the statement!
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