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Why We Can't Rule Out an Egyptian Reign of Terror

A historian's look at revolution and its discontents.

BY DAVID A. BELL | FEBRUARY 7, 2011

There are, of course, many different ways of categorizing historical revolutions. But for the purposes of understanding what is happening in Egypt -- and the challenges it may pose for the United States -- one simple, rough distinction may be especially useful. This is the distinction between revolutions that look more like 1688 and revolutions that look more like 1789. The first date refers to England's "Glorious Revolution," in which the Catholic, would-be absolute monarch James II was overthrown and replaced by the Protestant William and Mary and the English Parliament claimed powerful and enduring new forms of authority. The second is, of course, the date of the French Revolution, which began as an attempt to create a constitutional monarchy but ultimately led to the execution of King Louis XVI, the proclamation of the First French Republic, and the Reign of Terror.

A key feature of 1688-type revolutions is their relative brevity. They may be preceded by lengthy periods of discontent, agitation, protest, and even violence, but the revolutionary moment itself generally lasts for only a few months (as in 1688 itself), or even weeks or days. A regime reaches a point of crisis and falls. The consolidation of a new regime itself may well involve much more turmoil and bloodshed, and eventually entail considerable political and social change -- but these later events are not considered part of the revolution itself, and there is no sense of an ongoing revolutionary process. Men and women do not define themselves as active "revolutionaries" (in 1688, in fact, the English noun and adjective "revolutionary" did not yet exist -- it only came into frequent use after 1789).

Revolutions of the 1789 type are quite different. Their leaders and supporters see regime change as only the beginning of an arduous, ambitious process of political, social, and cultural transformation that may require years, even decades, to complete. For them, the revolution is not a discrete event, but an ongoing cause. They eagerly define themselves as "revolutionaries" and even speak of the "permanent revolution." Revolutions of this type generally have much stronger utopian tendencies than the others and more frequently lead to large-scale violence. They also tend to have ambitions that overflow national boundaries -- the local revolution becomes seen as just part of a process of worldwide emancipation. In some cases, revolutions of this type may be driven from the start by a self-consciously revolutionary party, committed to radical upheaval. In other cases (such as 1789 itself), it may seem to start off as a more limited event, only to change its character as particular groups grow frustrated with the results and the opposition they have encountered, and conclude that far broader, deeper forms of change are called for.

Historically, 1688-type revolutions have been much more common: France in 1830, Germany in 1918, China in 1911-12, and many of the revolutions of 1848 (of which most ended in failure). 1789-type revolutions, by contrast, have been relative historical rarities: above all, 1789 itself, Russia in 1917, China in 1949, Cuba in 1959. They are not, however, necessarily revolutions of the left. One could also include in this category the Nazi seizure of power in Germany (which Hitler termed a "National Revolution") and Iran in 1979. The American Revolution, it could be argued, represents something of a hybrid case -- closer to 1688, yet with important features of the other type, thanks to the long process of consolidation and contestation that followed independence.

In recent years, it seems as if the 1789 type of revolution has lost its appeal for most of the world. During the greatest series of political upheavals in recent times -- the collapse of communism -- most leaders of the victorious reform movements rejected the word "revolution" altogether. The Polish Solidarity leader Jacek Kuron went so far as to write in the summer of 1989, apropos of the French Revolution's bicentennial, that Poland did not want a revolution because revolutions spill too much blood. Germans refer to the events of 1989 as the "Turning," not the "Revolution." It was, above all, in Czechoslovakia that the word "revolution" came to describe what happened in 1989, but paired with the word "velvet" to underscore the differences from the great revolutions of the past.

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David A. Bell is the Sidney and Ruth Lapidus professor in the era of North Atlantic revolutions at Princeton University.

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NEOSHADOWS

11:31 PM ET

February 7, 2011

Personal view

As a Chinese,I would like to compare it with 1989 Tiananmen instead of 1789 French revolution.

Long live my Killed Chinese fellows!

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KEVINSD

12:43 AM ET

February 8, 2011

War and Revolution

Another article on FP which fails to note the relationship between so-called 1789-type revolutions and the gigantic wars which either caused them or ran concurrently. Robespierre, Lenin, Mao might have been footnote figures if war hadn't elevated them to power. The secret for avoiding radicalization might be as simple as this: stop large wars from breaking out (lest they trigger unintended consequences).

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CK MACLEOD

2:01 AM ET

February 8, 2011

That's just one difference...

...among many... I hope we can agree, that the world is a somewhat slightly difference place in 2011 than it was in 1789 or 1688. The status of Egypt as a client state of the U.S. and a nation of our global age puts its potential "regime change" in a completely different light, and we actually have some reasonably good recent experience of dictatorships and other non-democratic regimes within the U.S. alliance structure or orbit dissolving in favor of democratic governance: Spain, Indonesia, Taiwan, South Korea, the Philippines, Colombia, Peru, Brazil, Chile, Argentina, South Africa... and so on. I suppose they count as 1688-style "revolutions," but they may have more in common with each other, and Egypt, than they do with 17th C. England.

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PYTHEAS75

5:07 AM ET

February 8, 2011

It's not 1989, it's not 1789,

It's not 1989, it's not 1789, it's not 1688, it's not 1848, it's lok like 1830.

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TECHGUY222

6:39 AM ET

February 8, 2011

It's a huge generalization to

It's a huge generalization to lump together French liberals, Communists, Islamists, and Nazis into one single group (other than being things us Americans dislike!). And the author ignores that the German Revolution of 1918 and the Chinese revolution in 1911-12 were not without violence. It's misleading, and ignores the vast differences in nationalities, time periods, and ideologies of each revolution.

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FRANCKROADS

6:56 AM ET

February 8, 2011

Why We Can't Rule Out an Egyptian Reign of Terror

Who do you mean "WE" white man?

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FRANCKROADS

7:08 AM ET

February 8, 2011

white?

I should say undefined shade instead

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AYMANFADEL

11:29 AM ET

February 8, 2011

Franck Roads-Your Instinct is Correct

http://www.princeton.edu/~dabell/

White supremacy is so ingrained in US Foreign Policy discussions involving stability.

On another note, brown and black academia are cordoned off into African History and Latin American History. They are never in European History departments.

Finally, only European historical events are allowed to be a measuring stick for the rest of the world.

We never hear someone say, "Events in the Ukraine resemble the Usman dan Fodio uprising in 19th century Gobir."

Now obviously I recognize that the 1688 and 1789 revolutions are more familiar to people likely to read this post. But it's the complete unawareness of universalizing white European experience which is the most salient characteristic of white supremacy.

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JOHANNES SCOTTUS ERIUGENA

7:57 AM ET

February 8, 2011

1688?

1688, though, was hardly a quick and/or bloodless affair. Indeed, it was not really confined to 1688 at all. The "revolution" continued on to Ireland where it lasted for three bloody years, ending with William's bloody victory at Aughrim (1691) ensuring a tiny Anglican elite's rule over a disenfranchised and destitute majority Catholic population for the next 200 some years. Hardly a revolution worthy of Lockean principals, though it did provide the groundwork for the now firmly Protestant "British" nation to take off.

It was also the opening bell for the imposition of the tyrannical Penal Laws on Irish Catholics and Presbyterians, a system which would only truly come to an end with the granting of Catholic Emancipation in 1829.

The lesson of all revolutions is that while they share many common factors, all are contingent on the socio-political climate of the country they take place in. It's likely that Egypt and Tunisia will turn out to follow neither in the climate of 1688 or 1789, but 2011.

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BOXUAN

8:52 AM ET

February 8, 2011

Difference is simple

When it's a revolution in a pro-US country, it would be warned to be like 1789 or 1917, the media elites terrify you with all the possibilities of bad outcomes and why should everyone 'hold the applause'. When it happens to a regime agains the US, then all you could see is the euphoria and romanticism, as during the color revolutions in Ukraine, Georgia and Kyrgystan, as during the twitter revolution in Iran, or just as in 1989.

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PUBLICUS

12:30 PM ET

February 8, 2011

You get who you get

CK MACLOUD correcty notes a good number of countries, tho not all of course, where the new ruler was the guy the people of the particular country chose or accepted. Spain of the time accepted Franco (many fought for him), the Philippines Marcos, Indonesia Suharto/Sukarno, S Korea ultimately got the authoritarian Park Chung Hee etc etc. The United States of the time had little, indeed no say in the emergence of these and in the acention of other similar dictatorial leaders of other countries. In each of these and in regard to many other similar instances the US played the hand it got. In China the US atypically supported one side, the loser, Chiang Kai Shek who became Generalissimo in Taiwan but which for more than a decade now has been a democracy comprised of its own particulars. The US certainly did not choose Tito in the then Yugoslavia but Tito himself approached the US (as a counterbalance to the USSR overruning him during the Cold War) which is yet another instance of the US having to accept the realpolitik of past times, circumstances, developments beyond its control; events.

The recent Bush administration dominated by the now completely discredited neocons tried in their own strange (demented) way to reverse the typical course of previous events and the consistent emergence of dictator leaders in favor of leaders the neocons in their delusions said were democrats (actually there are a good number of democrats in Iraq). Had however the US tried to intervene in any or all of the instances of 20th century history cited by CK MACLOUD and myself and in others, you would be shouting very loudly against that, even more than the complaining you are manufacturing at the present time.

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CAMAELJAX

11:21 AM ET

February 8, 2011

Hypothetical vs. Real 'Reigns of Terror'

More scare tactics of an American hegemony terrified of losing it's control over the Middle East. So we create stories of hypothetical 'reigns of terror' while ignoring the very real 'Reign of Terror' of the US-supported Mubarak regime over the last thirty years...

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CK MACLEOD

1:15 PM ET

February 8, 2011

Yep...

Good point - but that's because "terror" is ALWAYS and EXCLUSIVELY a tool of the other team, NEVER to be attributed to the actions of U.S. and allies.

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PUBLICUS

1:53 PM ET

February 8, 2011

Revolution vs Ractionism

I welcome the occasion of the author's piece to point out that the word revolution has a specific meaning and application, i.e., that it cannot be used simply to describe a or just any complete reversal to a form or government, often by force, or used or applied across the board whether we refer to 1688 and 1789 or to 1917 or 1979.

That is, it is immaterial whether the event we call a revolution is relatively quick and bloodless, or whether it is in fact bloody, or whether it turns out to have a longer term goal of the eventual (yes decades, not centuries) transformation of a society, culture or civilisation. Quick and relatively unbloody per se, or bloody and with longer term aspirational ideas, goals and purposes per se (the 'new man' for instance) does not automatically or necessarily call for us to use the word revolution. Stalin was a 'new man' revolutionary as was Mao. So was Hitler among many others in citing recent history. Were they and their followers the 'new man' revolutonaries we might want to have in mind? Certainly and absolutely not. They were racists. Are racist revolutonaries? Are religiously limited minds revolutionaries? They certainly are not. They are reactionist and reactionary; practice reactionism.

The word revolution can be applied to 1789 because regardless of its limited immediate particulars, it quickly became a movement that in fact has led to new concept of how to live human life. The concepts that significantly and almost immediately emerged from 1789 have as their locus enduring aspirations and are as vitally important presently and foreseeably as they were then, i.e. liberty, equality, fraternity. The fraternity aspect for instance has since evolved rationally more into gender equality and much more broadly into the concept of human rights.

The word revolution cannot be applied to Mao and 1949 China. With all due respect to Mao's les miserables peasants, the immediate and to the present purposes of Mao's revolution has no aspirations, enduring purposes, means or lofty goals. Mao's reactionism was solely interested in only the most reactionary of matters, i.e., dictatorship, one man leadership (a new emperor), one elite and oligarchic group controlling the government and country etc etc. Mao's China quickly morphed into Deng Xiao Peng's "rich is good" and even more quickly into the present CCP-PRC which is reactionist and reactionary, i.e, it has as one of its most prominent govenrment policies of IT censorship, it seeks to control new technology and high tech IT only for its own selfish and greedy purposes, to wit: controlling the lives and the thoughts of the sheeple of China both to enrich and to self agrandise itself and its absolute control of the state - the state apparatus of security and repression especially. This is not revolutionary, i.e., that which is progressively enduring and a radical departure from the dark 12,000 past of recorded human civilisation. 1949 does not constitute a radical departure from the past human history of autocratic government and rulers or of, the continuation of traditional hierarchical society, limited socioeconoics, the absence of a newly creative culture predicated in freedom of thought, expression etc.

1688 and 1789 (to include 1776) and certain others we could identify were genuine progressive revolutions which either from the outset or quickly afterward made a radical and fundamental departure from past human history. In sharp contrat, Cuba 1959-60 was reactionism; Tehran in 1979 was reactionism - Tehran especially so - China 1949 was reactionism, as were Hitler, Mussolini, Russia's October 1917 event, Franco, Pinochet and so on and so on..

As to the some certain of the in-betweens such as Park in S Korea, Sukarno in Indonesia, Chiang in Taiwan, Marcos in the Phils etc, those guys were old fashioned dictators who happened to come under the strong influence of the United States and the Western democracies. The in-betweens are in-beteens because it took only a relatively short time in the framework of history to affect their departure. Chavez in Venezuela does not intend to be an in-betweener but his most recent actions granting himself dictatorial powers in the Western Hemisphere in particular certainly assure Chavez will be another in-betweener.

As others have pointed out above, we are not in 1688, 1789, 1830, 1849 and so on. We live and interact in the comtemporary world, which includes the post Great European War (1914-18) world, Consequently it takes only a decade or two to identify and to judge the in-betweens because their time in power happens and passes much more quickly than did dynasties and because their dictatorial rule is superficial and clearly selfserving, which among their populations only accelerates the demise of the old cultures and traditions of dictatorship and/or authoritarian rule. .

The USSR very quickly became obvious in its reactionism and after exactly and only 74 years of it, the Soviet Union crumbled quickly and collapsed suddently. The current Reactionist siezures of power, such as in Tehran in 1979 won't come close to the USSR's relative to history short burst of senseless survival.

CCP-PRC take note.

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COLINDALE

4:55 PM ET

February 8, 2011

The Middle East is in flux as old, corrupt regimes fall ..

The Middle East is in flux as old, corrupt regimes falter and fall and a new, urgent voice is heard across the region from Morocco in the west to Iran in the east, where an average of nearly one third of the population of all 20 states, is under 30 years of age.

ISRAEL 23%
KUWAIT 25%
EMIRATES 27%
WEST BANK 27%
GAZA 27%
BAHRAIN 28%
IRAQ 28%
S ARABIA 28%
LIBYA 28%
MOROCCO 29%
TUNISIA 29%
EGYPT 29%
LEBANON 30%
JORDAN 30%
YEMEN 30%
ALGERIA 31%
SYRIA 31%
OMAN 31%
QATAR 34%
IRAN 34%

Source: UN Dept of Economics & Social Affairs

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THIRDWORLDCHARLIE

5:06 PM ET

February 8, 2011

Only Revolution arise from within ....

I will further classify; Revolutions are changes from within by the indigenous populations. Foreign supported coup d'etat are ... well takeover by other means. So called 'Rose in Georgia', 'Orange in Ukraine', 'Cedar in Lebanon' and 'Tienanmen Square in China' were western financed and fomented attempts to take over power and install puppet rulers. But foreign supported takeover do not have the deep local support and therefore they either fall apart soon after, or they fail to capture the prize. Orange Revolution in Ukraine was financed by US and fomented by about 2,400 Ukrainian-Canadians. This fact was admitted by a Ukranian-Canadian member of parliament of Canada. This revolution fizzled out in couple of years. Rose Revolution is alive by massive financial support from west. Cedar revolution is gone. Tienanmen failed because Chinese government was far more ruthless than normal.

Thus West's moral pontifications are hollow. They are just as ruthless and devious as colonial empires.

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HADEEL SHARAF

5:11 PM ET

February 8, 2011

from the Egyptian street

I admire your article sir ,
just a comment on the last paragraph .
from a young girl from a small Egyptian town : the opinion of the simple man (farmer , firefighter...) is :
Mohamed ElBaradei is not a hero and can not be considered as a man has an Egyptian soul ,
and the first thing he will do is bringing the foreign organizations to govern instead of him.

A man like him soon will be isolated by his American visions . Egypt is not ready for a man like him yet.
So :
The next problem of the youth in Egypt is simply the misunderstanding of the real meaning of democracy .

Mubarak is not that devil but he lost the contact and the sense of the street needs since mid 90s.
He was simply (used ) by some people who tempted him using the everlasting (kingdom) , money and the idea of the successor Gamal .

Predicting what is next is the hardest thing to do now .
Because it is not about Who .
It is about the steps towards learning the democracy ,learning is not for free it needs sacrifice and the acceptance of mistakes and wrong choices.

February 2011 or September 2011....Mubarak will leave .
Who is coming?
What will happen ?
questions will have unpredictable answers

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THE EUROPEAN

7:37 PM ET

February 8, 2011

The European

Most posters avoid analyzing the underlying factors in the Egyptian revolution and instead they turned this thread into an America and - by extension - the "Evil White man" bashing.

Comparing incongruous, bygone world event which happened in different parts of the world at different times and discovering similarities in them makes no rational argument.
Every single revolution had a unique socio-economical state that preceded the revolution and gave a direction to it.

Every revolution had a leading ideology behind it which was developed by thinker-writers like Voltaire, Kant, Marx, Lenin etc.

Egypt, just like the whole Middle East has no other leading ideology than Islam. 18.th Century Enlightenment did not happen outside Europe and all modern democracy is rooted in the Enlightenment and it's spiritual influence as far as Japan.
Russia or China had no Enlightenment either, it remained absolute dictatorship be it the Czar, Party chief or a strong man - even to this day.

There are no foundations for democracy in a religious oriented country, ad-hoc, hodge-podge demagoguery - children of most revolutions - will be suppressed by a new dictatorship be Islamic like Iran or a non religious like Assad in Syria, that is. Mubarak II.

Keep dreaming up whatever you like but facts on the ground won't change. Egypt will not turn into a prosperous, modern industrial country like Taiwan or Singapore.
Hence the poverty and dissatisfaction will persist like an inextinguishable ember no matter what.

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THIRDWORLDCHARLIE

8:08 PM ET

February 8, 2011

Was it your enlightment ...

Was it your enlightenment that you enslaved the browns and blacks of this world for centuries. British boasted about the sun never setting over the stolen land, French, Dutch, Italian and even German were engaged in rapacious thievery of our resources, our national treasures, our historical and cultural icons are now warehoused in your museums. So please spare us with your pontifications and high moral platitudes. The fact is is Europe, nay the White Man has indulged in so much crime that they should hang their head in shame.

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ALEXBC

8:33 PM ET

February 8, 2011

I do not understand the

I do not understand the hyperventilating criticisms of European colonialism and the "white man" in this discussion. It does not seem germane to the topic at all. Europe has long since abandoned its outsized colonialism and one would be gravely amiss in characterizing the current multicultural West as one gigantic vehicle for the "white man," or even as a coherent, unified political entity that could actively foment revolution all over the world.

Tianenmen Square was caused by Western interference? Get real. It happened because of runaway inflation and distortions caused by China's highly compressed economic growth. In fact, it nearly happened again in the early 1990s once inflation hit record levels and suddenly caused the CCP to take a more active role in the economy (most observers do not know this and just assume that China instituted one blanket set of reforms in the late 70s). It should not be surprising that Egypt in 2011 also suffers from food inflation.

In any case, I agree with The European that there are not really any solid foundations for democracy in the Middle East, Russia, or China. Islam drowns out all other philosophical bents in the Middle East, Russia has a nearly incorrigible tsarist tradition, and China is ideologically bankrupt, alternating between the shopworn and seemingly contradictory Western ideas of Communism and runaway market economics.

The author of the original article was astute to point out that Louis XIV was still the king of France after the first year of the "Revolution," but another point worth noting is that, in barely a decade after the Declaration Of The Rights Of Man And Citizen, France had an emperor and was en route to colonizing most of Europe. The foundations for democracy were weak even then, and took decades if not centuries to develop. France's post-1789 political history is positively schizophrenic, esp. if one compares it to a contemporary like America, which benefited from being a political tabula rasa whose critical foundations just happened to be on the side of liberal democracy.

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THE EUROPEAN

9:00 PM ET

February 8, 2011

The European

Now you are free. And think what your miserable life would be like without Western ("White Man") support.
Just look around in the Third World hellholes which dot the world: we are paying for the past misdeeds.
By doing so we're still more decent than those who cut off each other heads or blowing up innocent people.
Those are most likely your heroes.

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ADAM NEIRA

9:32 PM ET

February 8, 2011

Scenarios

Egypt Update...Tahrir Square is the epicentre of the people’s hopes, fear and aspirations at the moment. The cynics and naysayers have been adamant that there is no way the Egyptians will be able to handle a peaceful transition to democracy. However yesterday while Egyptian Muslims prayed in the Square, Copts stood guard protecting them. And today it is the Copts turn to hold Mass while Muslims stood guard. This is an incredibly positive sign ! You can discern certain trends by looking at the right pieces of the global geo-political hologram. Misinterpretation of the zeitgeist has been a feature of most leaders thinking in the past. As I have maintained for a long time now how we perceive a situation can determine what unfolds. Of course putting on rose coloured glasses can be dangerous. We must be vigilant about the possibility of evil, whether it is in a pub on a Saturday evening or a nation going through change. There are ways to shift the dynamic in a situation for the better. The presence, oversight and involvement of certain people can create order, stability, benevolence and expansiveness in the lives of others. G-d always leaves a few angels down here on terra firma to hold the very fabric of the universe together. The more angels the better...

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DR. SARDONICUS

10:19 PM ET

February 8, 2011

Will the USA never learn?

According to you, real revolutions are bad by definition, whereas ersatz, inconclusive ones are OK. A profoundly reactionary conclusion from a national elite sunk in its corruption. Statesmanlike comments from JFK and Eisenhower sound like the ravings of revolutionary firebrands, and Reagan’s tax policies, the fruit of mass socialism. Compare those to current Truthspeak’s Victorian self-satisfaction with kleptocratic oligarchy at home and preemptive imperialism abroad. And, please, let no-one speak of serious revolution…

KEVINSD mentioned “gigantic wars which either caused them (revolutions) or ran concurrently.” What he and you failed to mention is that ANY revolution can become a bloodbath if foreign reactionaries make war on it with sufficient gusto, turning positive political transformation into an existential death match and a nursery for tyranny on both sides.

Iran would have become a Turkey-style secular democratic state a half-century ago, had the US/UK not suppressed every trace of it, using means fair and foul to secure its petro-corporate profits and tyrannical puppets, and forced the growth of militant Islam as the only alternative tough enough to survive that abuse. Secular democrats are far more vulnerable to police suppression than religious fanatics in love with the idea of martyrdom. Who knew?

As for the current batch of North African revolts, likewise in spades. Why is this truth so hard for us Americans to accept? When we have failed so dismally in the past, ignoring the same truth?

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SWOTHUNTERS

10:28 PM ET

February 8, 2011

Tread Cautiously

While it is moving to see a people stand up for it rights against a authoritarian regime, the US must be wary of who it supports, and thus should let the people work this issue out amongst themselves without any US Government interference. At the same time we should not subvert a loyal ally in the region.

This movement does not have an Abu Washington or Abu Adams representing the people, this is disconcerting. It implies other silent hands may be at play, and that means the US may be getting played.

Demonstrations make news. But what about the story behind the news? Who are the puppet masters. There's a video in the following two links that make note of such manipulation via http://www.swothunter.com called 'Egypt and the OODA Loop'; also see http://t.co/m1rtIDJ.

Cheers, SWOThunter

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