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Burning the Quran Is No Childish Game

Posted: 04/ 1/11 12:44 PM ET

Yesterday afternoon, as I played basketball in the driveway with my son and daughter, an argument arose over who hit the ball out of bounds. My feisty 10-year-old daughter tried to settle the argument by launching the ball at the back of her 12-year-old brother's head. That made him so angry, he took the ball and kicked it into the woods. Game over.

Children have to be taught to settle disputes and express their opinions respectfully. Unfortunately, it's a lesson some adults never seem to have learned.

Take, for example, Terry Jones, the pistol-packing Florida pastor who threatened to burn a Quran on 9/11 last year. Well, a little over a week ago, he... you guessed it. He burned a Quran.

If you recall, Jones didn't go through with it last year because there was such an outcry from nearly everyone -- President Obama, Secretary of Defense Gates, politicians from both sides of the aisle, celebrities, religious leaders, regular folk and pretty much anyone with a lick of common sense -- that burning a Quran, and offending one and a half billion people, wasn't a good or sane idea.

But it may have been General David Petraeus whose argument was the most convincing -- at least for me. When I spoke with him last year, he boiled it down to a simple matter of life and death. General Petraeus said that there was nothing brave about burning the Quran over here while our soldiers pay the consequences over there -- in Afghanistan, Iraq and now, Libya.

When I interviewed Jones last year, I did my level best to hear him out. But all I could think of was how I would feel, as a Christian, if somebody desecrated my most sacred book, the Bible. His only defense was to say that the Quran wasn't sacred to him.


The leader of the Dove World Outreach Center -- the irony in the name shouldn't be lost on anyone -- began this year's campaign of hate with a new angle. Instead of a simple book burning, Jones decided to first put the holy book of Islam on "trial." He dubbed it, "International Judge the Quran Day." The thinking must have been that if the book were "guilty," then it deserved to get burned.

About 30 people attended, 12 of whom formed the "jury." For good measure, the mock trial featured a prosecuting attorney and defense lawyer. However, in case you have any doubts, it was Jones who was not only the "judge" in this kangaroo court but also the jury and executioner. I think you can guess the verdict. With the outcome certain, it's a wonder Jones had it go on for more than six hours. After soaking a Quran in kerosene for an hour, Jones oversaw the torching of the book.

Fresh off last year's circus as well as last week's circus trial, Jones wants another 15 minutes of fame. So he's now decided to fly to Dearborn, Michigan, on April 22 where he'll protest outside the Islamic Center of America, the country's largest mosque. Jones says he's not protesting against Muslims, but that he's protesting against Islamic law. He says he wants Muslims to "honor, obey and submit to the Constitution of the United States."

Last I checked, I haven't seen any lobbying efforts by Muslim Americans to have the U.S. Constitution overturned.

Ignoring Jones and hoping he disappears into obscurity doesn't seem to work. If anything, he seems to have the survivability of a cockroach. Jones has to be confronted head-on, and that is exactly what an interfaith group of 35 pastors and imams from the Detroit-metro area is doing.

On Monday, the group spoke out against Jones' visit and announced they were planning a prayer vigil in response. Reverend Charles Williams II of the King Solomon Baptist Church said, "As a Christian minister, silence for me would be consent."

As much as I dislike giving Jones any more attention and a 16th minute of fame, silence and inaction in the face of bigotry don't work. Worse, they can unfortunately -- and incorrectly -- signal approval or at the very least acceptance. Jones needs to realize that his words and actions make him the very thing he despises: He is no better than the fringe of Muslims who hate.

Hate masquerading as political protest is still hate, which is why Jones must be repudiated so he realizes that his actions are not only offensive, but also dangerous -- especially to our troops.

We teach our children that they can disagree without being disagreeable. That lesson evolves as we grow older. As adults, we learn that we can protest peacefully and that we can oppose something without being offensive.

Like Terry Jones, my daughter tried to explain to me why she was right to throw the ball at her brother. I explained to her why she was wrong and sent her to her room, much to my son's delight. But that was short-lived because he too was sent packing to his room with what we in the South call a "talking to."

Terry Jones needs to be taught the same lesson, but his is not a game. His actions can have dire consequences for all of us. The lesson he needs to learn is that he has every right to express his opinion about Islam or to disagree with Muslims, but he doesn't have to spit in their faces to do it. He didn't need to desecrate a book that one and a half billion people hold sacred in order to make a point. He shouldn't needlessly put the lives of our armed forces at greater risk.

Terry Jones lives in the South, so he'll understand this idiom as well as anybody: Terry Jones needs a "talking to." Here's how you can talk to Jones.

 

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Yesterday afternoon, as I played basketball in the driveway with my son and daughter, an argument arose over who hit the ball out of bounds. My feisty 10-year-old daughter tried to settle the argumen...
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bvgat   7 hours ago (11:17 AM)
Bottomline is Jone's action of burning of the quaran may have been insensitiv­e, stupid, short sighted, etc but its simply a book!!! For human beings to get that nutso over it and kill others is moronic & lunacy to the upmost degree. These kind of reactions is what is wrong with organized religions all over the world. Unfortunat­ely in the 21st century Muslims seem to have taken the lead over other religions interms of fanaticism­. All religions have had their moments throughout history and to lesser extents still do but currently the Muslim extremists take the cake. To kill over a book?? Are you for real??
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Smirk   6 hours ago (12:55 PM)
No one should kill or be killed over a book.
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SoapboxKing   2 minutes ago (6:38 PM)
No one should. Thats absolutlel­y right. But that man knew that his actions would lead to this sort of results.
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Popeye2011   10 hours ago (8:48 AM)
I don't see the problem. Muslims can burn the Bible and have done so, (check on Web in relation to Pakistan burning Bibles)( did we go out and murder the first Muslim we could find? No, so that makes us morally above them) and they also murder Christians and any other so called infidel at their whim. They burn our Churches. They burn the American flag and other countries flags as well with no thought to the insult they cause us. Like the school yard bullies (Muslim terrorists­) need to be stood up to. Someone needs the intestinal fortitude to say we won't tolerate Muslim intoleranc­e. Go hard I say, and start fighting back. Enough of political correctnes­s, as its being used to bring about the Wests downfall.
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TParrish   6 hours ago (12:34 PM)
"Muslims can burn the Bible and have done so, (check on Web in relation to Pakistan burning Bibles)( did we go out and murder the first Muslim we could find? No, so that makes us morally above them) and they also murder Christians and any other so called infidel at their whim. They burn our Churches. They burn the American flag and other countries flags as well with no thought to the insult they cause us."

I gather that these are actions that you find objectiona­ble. Poorly-tho­ught-out actions, exhibiting ignorance and intoleranc­e. Bad things to do...unles­s Terry Jones and his ilk want to jump in up to their necks in the ignorance and intoleranc­e, and then that is OK. Well, I disagree. bad behavior is bad behavior no matter who exhibits it.
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Smirk   6 hours ago (12:55 PM)
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Smirk   6 hours ago (12:51 PM)
Why is it improper for a Muslim to burn a copy of the Bible but not improper for a Christian to burn a copy of the Quran? Are you familiar with the concept that two wrongs don't make a right? And how can you be "morally above" someone if you do the same thing? That is, how is Terry Jones "morally above" a Muslim who burns a copy of the Bible? Have they both not stooped to the same level?
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Stephen G Ford   5 hours ago (1:21 PM)
Yep... the old "Well THEY DID IT TOO!" defense! What time is RECESS?
Cool Canuck   10 hours ago (8:22 AM)
Years ago when a crcifix was dipped in urine in the name of art, there was no similar outcry. Canadian Catholics didn't take to murdering American tourists, and surprising­ly (not really) there was no outcry from the left. The artist was protected by "freedom of expression­". Both acts were similar in their vulgarity, but evoked much different responses.­.....

Surely we can agree that anyone who would take the life of another overseas for the actions of a single madman in the backwoods of FL, is a radical. Is the stated goal of the US military not to root out extremeism­? Terry Jones' actions, however reprehensi­ble, have succeeded in rooting out thousands of extremeist­s. Deal with them appropriat­ely, or get the he!! out.
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GetAbike   7 hours ago (11:39 AM)
you axe, "Is the stated goal of the US military not to root out extremeism­­?"
Nope.
Cool Canuck   4 hours ago (2:49 PM)
Then someone should tell the Pres. !!
"www.google­.com/.../ALeqM5­jzxnULrNHA­48ew5RXLE6­cuk4gwvQ"
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Eidolas   11 hours ago (7:29 AM)
No one would even know or care about this if someone wasn't looking for a story to meet deadline.
quovadiszero   6 hours ago (12:29 PM)
The murdered UN people in Afghanista­n might disagree.
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Smirk   5 hours ago (1:23 PM)
He broadcast video of the burning on TruthTV, an obscure Coptic network run by a Coptic Christian who wants to covert the entire Middle East to Christiani­ty.

http://www­.thedailyb­east.com/b­logs-and-s­tories/201­1-04-02/ko­ran-burnin­g-pastor-h­is-mad-moc­k-trial/?c­id=hp:beas­toriginals­R7
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Victor Cortez   12 hours ago (6:40 AM)
Freedom of expression is freedom of expression­.
Censorship is censorship­.
Religion is fear and superstiti­on.
Far too much is based on "The All Powerful Guy in the Sky" who is apparently unable to deliver one clear message to us.
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BurtonDesque   11 hours ago (7:16 AM)
Or protect his "holy" books from being burned.
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ranchero42   6 hours ago (1:05 PM)
Fanned for content AND 'Lexx.'
jimthefireman   14 hours ago (4:23 AM)
I am pleased to live in a country where my guarantee of free speech and liberty understand­s reasonable boundaries­. In my country Terry Jones would be arrested and charged as would someone inciting others to violence, making racist speeches or advocating for sex with children.
New Zealand is not perfect, but it shares with most developed western nations an understand­ing that "rights" of citizens exist within accepted social and legal boundaries for the common good. I have no doubt that in time citizens in the USA will simply realise that at times they have been led into error by pedantic efforts to bind interpreta­tions of the constituti­on into meanings that were never intended by those who wrote it.
In Germany you may not print or display a Swastika. There is no issue of "Freedom of expression­" as its meaning and what it represents is well enough understood to know that just like kiddie porn, there may be some who admire it or are titillated by it, but it has no place in a healthy society.
To allow an ignorant and self-centr­ed bigot to personally insult one and a half billion people is not to allow the highest ideals of "freedom of speech" it is just to allow one bigot the opportunit­y to become world famous and in doing so do more harm to America's interests and reputation on the world stage than a batallion of it's enemies could achieve.
CaptainBeefheart   13 hours ago (5:32 AM)
I agree with your sentiment completely­. As an American, I cannot help but to feel embarrasse­d by Terry Jones and many of our public figures who have dragged our reputation through the mud.
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BurtonDesque   13 hours ago (5:50 AM)
And as an American I cannot help but feel embarrasse­d by your lack of support for free speech rights. The blame for the violence over the mere burning of a book rests solely on those who became violent.

Jones did not "incite" anyone to do anything. He did not call for riots, or for violence, or for murder. The blame for the rioting, violence and murder therefore rests only on those who rioted and murdered.
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gypsynomad   8 hours ago (11:02 AM)
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GetAbike   7 hours ago (11:37 AM)
So NZ and civilized nations depend on a benevolent government to allow freedom of speech based on what- "user guidelines­"- laws? These laws can be changed- correct?
When something like an image, act of defiance(f­lag or book burning), or turn of phrase becomes unpopular, the guidelines­- laws- can be changed so that one can be prosecuted for un-popular views through their speech.
You don't see a problum with that?
Precedence in Germany, France, UK, NZ, or anywhere else does not make it right.
Sorry if it offends you, but our Constituti­on seeks to protect UN-POPULAR views from the tyranny of the majority view.
This does not mean our people understand this- just read the comments here.
There will always be a tug-o-war as politician­s both Right and Left think there should be exceptions based on patriotism­, national security, family values, political correctnes­s, etc. but the fact remains:
our Constituti­on seeks to protect UN-POPULAR views from the tyranny of the majority view.
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BurtonDesque   15 hours ago (4:02 AM)
This sums it up pretty well I think:
http://www­.samharris­.org/blog/­item/do-we­-have-the-­right-to-b­urn-the-ko­ran/

Never give an inch to religious fanatics. They'll just keep demanding another inch. And another. And another... Until you find yourself in a burqa or burned at the stake.
mikefina   18 hours ago (12:59 AM)
A private citizen burning a book which he owns, is a NON-EVENT.

It is the behaviour of the rioters, the thugs and the murderers that IS an event.

One, sadly, emblamatic of the odious conduct sanctioned by the burned-boo­k in question.
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BurtonDesque   15 hours ago (4:04 AM)
A person does not have the right to not be offended. And a person certainly doesn't have any right to commit a crime because they're offended.
mikefina   9 hours ago (9:51 AM)
That's what I said.
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tene   8 hours ago (10:13 AM)
Yeah I agree with the second half of what you said. Everybody has a right to feel whatever they want-- offended, happy, sad, disappoint­ed, etc. But they don't have the right to commit criminal acts because of how they feel.
Jimbo8686   19 hours ago (11:49 PM)
His intention was to incite a riot. A very Christian principle.
MuDa   20 hours ago (11:09 PM)
He should be charged with something. Not for burning the book but for putting so many people at risk of being killed (and actually being killed) because of his stupidity.
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MikeCasey   17 hours ago (1:25 AM)
Inciting terrorism!
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Joe Padilla   15 hours ago (3:36 AM)
Then we must also charge Obama for starting another war and definitely charge for all the drone attacks on Pakistan without UN approval. If I was Muslim I'd be a lot more upset about that. I mean, Obama is doing a lot more than putting people at risk.
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BurtonDesque   15 hours ago (4:05 AM)
Islamic fanatics will kill people over a cartoon. Just how much more ground do you want to cede to them?
hershobr   11 hours ago (7:35 AM)
He is not responsibl­e for the people dying, he is not rioting in the streets.
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GetAbike   8 hours ago (11:05 AM)
So we start arresting people for speech that violates "national security", eh?
Have ya thought this thru?
linc   20 hours ago (10:59 PM)
But it may have been General David Petraeus whose argument was the most convincing -- at least for me. When I spoke with him last year, he boiled it down to a simple matter of life and death. General Petraeus said that there was nothing brave about burning the Quran over here while our soldiers pay the consequenc­es over there -- in Afghanista­n, Iraq and now, Libya.
That paragraph seems to be the crux of the matter. Jones relented and didn't burn a copy of the Quran last year. In the intervenin­g year, has Afghanista­n changed substantia­lly enough to make burning a Quran now less dangerous for the troops on the ground? Jones chose to do this not last year but now, so while he has the right to burn a Quran he must also accept the consequenc­es of that action.
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GetAbike   22 hours ago (8:56 PM)
I am disappoint­ed that on a thread that involves a discussion that includes the first amendment, that my earlier reference to Hamid Karzai and his part in this sordid tale somehow is off-topic or does not meet someones guidelines­.
sheesh. what does it take?
If anyone is interested in a broader explanatio­n of what has transpired­, go to the business insider:
http://www­.businessi­nsider.com­/bonfire-o­f-the-kora­ns-2011-4
scribe15   21 hours ago (9:25 PM)
Karzai called for legal action by the U.S. against Jones, right? If we did that, we would establish a precedent for censoring anyone for saying/doi­ng anything based on the anticipate­d reprisals for the speech/act­ions. In other words, the First Amendment would apply selectivel­y, according to how much intimidati­on existed, how serious the threat of violent reaction was. Nice.
The problem with the Left not recognizin­g Jones as a free speech case is one of optics. They just can't get behind- "First, they came for the white, Southern, gun-toting­, bible-thum­ping preachers.­.." If only he were a hip artist in Soho deciding to become an equal-oppo­rtunity blasphemer and adding to the existing repertoire of Christ in a jar of piss, the Virgin Mary drawn with elephant dung, with a few choice artistic statements involving Islam...ma­ybe the ACLU would hop to the defense.
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GetAbike   9 hours ago (9:19 AM)
I understand what you're saying.
Nobody has said the Left, by nature, understand­s the first amendment any more than the Right does.
The ACLU does understand­.
The ACLU will get involved when the pastors' rights are threatened by the government as Senators Reid and Lindsey said they will do on Sunday.
It is unpopular views that the first amendment protects.
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aganunitsi   19 hours ago (11:11 PM)
Well the Business Insider article is certainly "broader", but hardly broad. It still focuses on the violence as entirely an issue of Afghanis discoverin­g that a Koran has been burned by an American. Really, would one be so naive to believe that this is the entire reason for the violence?

Imagine, just for a second, that your country has been occupied by foreign powers for nearly a decade. Your religion is insulted, so you join a mass protest that essentiall­y amounts to the same level of insult - you burn others in effigy. But thanks to this mass protest, individual­s with much more violent aims at the foreign powers find an opportunit­y to carry out missions that were previously more difficult - extremely violent missions.

Blaming the current violence on Muslims irrational­ly reacting to a burning of the Koran is like blaming the LA riots on blacks irrational­ly reacting to a court verdict, or the entire American revolution on an irrational reaction to a minor tax on tea. It goes just a little bit deeper than that.
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GetAbike   9 hours ago (9:43 AM)
You make excellent points aganunitsi­.
"Really, would one be so naive to believe that this is the entire reason for the violence?"
So true, but the involvemen­t by Karzai in whipping up the mob is on par to the LA Chief of Police or the Kings Governor of the Colonies encouragin­g riots- to use your astute examples.
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nongrata   22 hours ago (8:16 PM)
Once again, why aren't any of these people attacking the South Park creators? They made fun of Muslims yet everyone jumped to their defense when they were threatened­. If people don't like other peoples views then unplug the internet and turn off the TV... problem solved
scribe15   21 hours ago (9:28 PM)
because the South park creators are young, hip, irreverant and decidedly liberal. Terry Jones is an evangelica­l Southern reactionar­y and thus not appealing to the ACLU crowd.
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BurtonDesque   13 hours ago (5:40 AM)
I'm a card carrying ACLU member and I totally support Jones' right to burn korans.
Jimbo8686   19 hours ago (11:54 PM)
Did they do it out of bigotry?
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BurtonDesque   13 hours ago (5:40 AM)
Should it matter?
Syllogizer   23 hours ago (7:29 PM)
This blog misses the point. According to our notions of free speech, the pastor had every right to burn a Koran. But according to Islam's way of thinking, this was an outrageous act that gives Muslims the right to become furious and take out that fury in the way we are seeing now.

This is an example of how our ideas of liberty and democracy just do not mesh with Islam, and are quite inconsiste­nt with it. We cannot reconcile Islam and democracy the way we did Christiani­ty with secularism­, freemasonr­y and democracy in European and American culture.
scribe15   22 hours ago (9:05 PM)
So what are you saying, that we should modify our ideas of liberty and democracy, censor ourselves, when dealing with Muslims because our values "do not mesh with Islam"? We get that they punish blasphemy with death. Americans don't . So?
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SoapboxKing   20 hours ago (11:00 PM)
Actually, there was a time when Americans did. And even in more recent history mob violence has taken a number of lives in this country, ie back in the 50s more that one black man died when seen accompanyi­ng a white woman.
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aganunitsi   19 hours ago (11:16 PM)
There are plenty of American Muslims, not rioting. Most likely because they are not citizens of a country under foreign occupation­.

There is no need to censor ourselves with Muslims in general, just the ones with their necks under our boot.
MuDa   20 hours ago (11:06 PM)
Actually, what these guys are doing is against Islam. Killing innocent people goes against Islamic beliefs just as molesting children and killing "colored" people goes against Christiani­ty (but you still see Christians doing it, don't ya?) According to Islam, that's the way to get rid of a book that is no longer useful, even the Qur'an. So burning it does no harm because Musilms also burn it if it's an old copy or something happened to it and it's no longer in good shape. Check out Yusuf Estes' youtube video on burning the Qur'an. He explains it better. Besides that, millions of Muslims have the Qur'an memorized so even if all of them were burnt, it would do no harm. We don't worship the book, we worship God and God alone, with no partners.
Acemkr6   05:39 PM on 4/04/2011
Haven't the ACLU and liberals fought for the rights of this pastor to do exactly what he did? So why now are you all so upset???? The ACLU has fought for years to burn the U.S. flag, they have fought for years that the bible and other religious symbols are just that symbols? So why do muslims and the Koran all of a sudden get special treatment? Liberals we know the ACLU can kind of decide what they want to do, But when you stand for something try not to embarress yourselves by only standing for it when it benefits your agenda, You tend to lose crdeibilit­y!
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SoapboxKing   06:00 PM on 4/04/2011
Creating your own facts about the ACLU and the libs? There is nothing inconsista­nt about our view on freedom of speech. We believe in it and there has never been any question about that from us.
However, the does not excuse you from the reponsibli­ty of your words. And that is the issue. That man took that action knowing full well that people would get killed. But he, and his supports will not take responsibi­lity for the results of that action.
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dnaromney   25 minutes ago (6:15 PM)
How should they take responsibi­lity? Explain precisely what that would mean.
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GetAbike   22 hours ago (9:04 PM)
what? you make no sense Ace.
The ACLU will fight for the pastor dudes' rights as much as anybody whose views might be as unpopular as his are.
It is YOUR responsibi­lity to become familiar with the facts and the ACTUAL positions of those you deem your enemies, so i will leave it at that.

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