Paul Ryan will raise taxes


Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi and most of the left are screaming about Paul Ryan’s plan to literally pull the food out of the mouths of poor children to give tax breaks to millionaires and billionaires, to paraphrase the rhetoric. This is because Ryan’s plan would lower the top rate to 25 percent from its current rate of 35 percent.

Lost in all of this is that Ryan wants to get rid of most deductions and credits. Many of the deductions in the tax code are skewed towards those in the top bracket, such as charitable deductions and deductions on capital losses. This would force the actual rates of taxation much closer to the marginal rates, especially for the higher income earners. In 2007 the average marginal tax rate for the top bracket was 17 percent. Under Ryan’s plan, there most assuredly would be much less room for a large amount of write offs and deductions and the top bracket would pay closer to their 25 percent marginal tax rate.

That sounds like a tax hike to me. Also, it’s fine by me. I know this is almost heresy, but a lower marginal rate in exchange for a higher tax burden is not only unavoidable when simplifying the tax code, it is also necessary to put our house in order. Almost half of Americans pay no taxes. Under any tax simplification, they would have to start paying taxes. Sounds like a tax hike to me. The argument for them is, that’s unfair, they have to have some skin in the game. So if a tax hike for them is ok under the banner of tax reform, it should be ok for everybody.

Lower, simpler tax rates and a path to a smaller government will not be without its costs. We can’t have our cake and eat it too.


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Ryan is a traitor to all that is good an pure and wholesome.

Diogenes314 Saturday, April 23rd at 1:36PM EDT (link)

Just like his counterparts Chambliss, Coburn and Crapo in the Senate.

Either that or Grover Norquist and his “cutting deductions=raising taxes” acolytes are a bunch of disingenuous clueless lemmings.

 

To me the key to any "tax reform package" is making sure

mbecker908 Saturday, April 23rd at 2:10PM EDT (link)

that everybody pays. Everybody. Got income, pay taxes. One of the reasons there’s not so much resistance to the growth of government is that half the people don’t pay a dime.

Personally, I prefer a flat tax, one rate for all, absolutely no deductions or credits. I’d take two rates, reluctantly, as long as there are no deductions and no exemptions.

An example for clarity: earn $100,000 with a 17% flat rate, your tax bill is $17,000. Earn $5000 working part time with a 17% flat rate and your tax bill is $850. Everybody pays a flat percentage of income.

The one other wrinkle I’d like to see is that corporate taxes drop to zero. Dividend income is taxed at the “personal” rate. No death taxes. We can quibble about capital gains.

Corporate, payroll, cap gains and estate taxes

aesthete Saturday, April 23rd at 2:18PM EDT (link)

should ideally be cut completely. More important is the institution of a flat tax, or some variation thereof. I would be alright with some progressivity (preferably sliding progressivity measured by a simple formula), but it should be able to fit on a single sheet of paper, and decipherable by the average citizen. No exemptions.

“We are fond of describing any peasant who has enough to eat as a kulak.” — Grigori Zinoviev, 1924

“”The point of the uprising is the seizure of power; afterwards we will see what we can do with it.”"
–Vladimir Lenin

A progressively taxed 1040 flat tax form could look like this:

mbecker908 Saturday, April 23rd at 2:29PM EDT (link)

Line 1: Total Income: ___________

Line 2: Up to $50K: __________ X 15% = ________ tax owed.

Line 3: Over $50K: __________ X 18% = _________ tax owed.

Line 4: Total Tax Owed (Line 2 + Line 3) = __________

Line 5: Total Tax Withheld: ___________

Line 6: Remittance / Refund(-) Line 4 - Line 5: _____________
=================================================

I’d also like to see withholding done away with. Make people write a check once or twice a year, April 15 and October 15.

 

Multiple taxation.

Diogenes314 Saturday, April 23rd at 3:05PM EDT (link)

One basic problem with all of these levels of taxation is the layering. First your business pays corporate taxes off of the bottom line. Then capital gains. Then you get hit with taxes on any dividends. Then your personal income. And make sure you don’t die, or we’ll tax you for that as well.

I’m sure I missed a step or two but you get the point. The reason for all the deductions, why companies like GE “pay no taxes’ is that in order to survive a business has to game the system. The argument against eliminating deductions and lowering rates seems to be that by increasing revenues, you encourage government spending. Like they need any encouragement. I would argue that since they don’t take economic growth into account in their forecasts, we will actually be cutting the deficit even faster than their forecasts (as long as we win the Senate in 2012 and hold on to Congress this time), encouraging economic activity and job creation (fewer people dependent on the government means fewer Democrat voters) and create wealth in the process. Which I still see as a positive myself.

Ergo, my recommendation for zero corporate taxes.

mbecker908 Saturday, April 23rd at 3:20PM EDT (link)

Corporations do not pay taxes, their customers do. The only thing corporations do is to play games with investment in order to minimize the tax bill. While this may make sense as a P&L strategy it often makes no sense in terms of capital investment strategy and can be counterproductive in the long run.

Agreed. But IMO capital gain taxes are even more counterproductive.

Diogenes314 Saturday, April 23rd at 3:48PM EDT (link)

Simply because they are a direct disincentive to invest. And I personally could go for a flat tax/flatter tax in the future-but for right now I don’t see the votes and Ryan’s plan (and to a lesser degree the one being discussed by the Senate Gang of ‘Taxers’) is the way to go.

We are definitely a long way from being able to

mbecker908 Saturday, April 23rd at 3:50PM EDT (link)

anything that looks like a flat (or “fair” for that matter) tax.

 
 

0% corporate tax

westbrook348 Saturday, April 23rd at 4:11PM EDT (link)

Totally agree, mbcker908. Tax people when they get their money, not when the business gets it.

In return for abolishing the corporate tax, start taxing capital gains as ordinary income. People on wall street shouldn’t be paying a lower tax rate than people bringing home a paycheck the old fashioned way. What is fair about taxing some doctors and lawyers at close to 35%, while Buffett only pays 17% on his millions simply because they are profits from stocks and dividends?

Lower all income tax rates, then get rid of every tax code deduction, so that the rates congress sets are the rates people actually pay. We don’t need the politicians distorting the free market w/ tons of tax credits & subsidies. Get that $300B/yr spent on tax avoidance put back into the economy. Most importantly, bring more people into the system so we don’t have 45% of Americans having zero income tax liability every year.

Of course, none of this will ever happen because both the poor paying no taxes & the rich people who fund political campaigns all like it the way it is.

 
 
 
 

Exactly. The Top 10% in the US pays the greatest

6eorge Jetson Sunday, April 24th at 6:17PM EDT (link)

percentage share of the total tax burden.

As of 2008, the US Top 10% paid the greatest percentage share of the among the then 24 OECD member countries.   present member list

Inclusive of all taxes, e.g. social security,medicare, etc.

b>Inclusive of all taxes, e.g. social security,medicare, etc.
Member State Percent of total income Percent total taxes paid
OECD Average 28 % 32 %
Germany 29 % 32 %
Czech R. 29 % 34 %
Netherlands 28 % 35 %
U.K 32 % 39 %
Italy 36 % 42 %
Ireland 31 % 39 %
U.S. 33 % 45 %

The Top 10% in America pays both the greatest share (45%) AND the greatest spread (12%) between taxes (45%) and income (33%)

Drilling down on the US Federal Income Tax Portion
(2004 figures, after the evil Bush Tax Cuts)


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One of the reasons there’s not so much resistance to the growth of government is that half the people don’t pay a dime.

catt Sunday, April 24th at 7:02PM EDT (link)

As I often point out the problem is not that they don’t pay a dime … it’s that they don’t KNOW what they pay. They have 15% taken off the top for social security and medicare taxes … half of that very stealthily taken as the “employer’s contribution”. And then taxes on gasoline, tobacco, liquor. State and local sales taxes on top of that.

The principle at least at the federal level should be this: one flat rate for every dollar, for every person, taxed exactly once, with the total tax burden made as transparent as possible.

No deductions or exemptions. End all the stealthy federal taxes so that people see what they’re paying. End payroll taxes. End federal gas taxes and “sin” taxes. End corporate taxes. Dividends and interest and cap gains taxed at the “personal” rate. Money that was taxed when it was earned certainly shouldn’t be taxed again just because someone died.

One flat rate, taxed exactly once, for every dollar, for every person. And everyone fully informed about how much of their money went to the federal government each year.

catt, regarding the death tax

GregInFla Sunday, April 24th at 11:45PM EDT (link)

This is not a comment in favor of the death tax, but rather a clarification on the “money taxed once” argument. There is one factor that is rarely noted when the death tax is discussed. It is that the heirs receiving capital goods (stocks, real estate, etc.) acquire the goods at a stepped-up basis of the current market value. The deceased does not pay capital gains taxes on the difference between the deceased cost basis and the current market value at time of death (if he/she does do so on a final tax return, please correct me.) So that gain is never taxed unless it is part of the “death tax”. This is why when you die you can have property donated to charity, and the tax disappears.

Again, I am no proponent if a “death tax”; just pointing out this fine point. You could even say that the death tax is the only really way that the “rich” are taxed for being rich, because we do not tax wealth at the federal level in any other way.


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You raised a good point

catt Monday, April 25th at 2:46AM EDT (link)

And my reply got so long that I turned it into a diary. Which may or may not have answered your point very well … but there it is.

 
 
 
 

Fairness should be secondary.

Diogenes314 Saturday, April 23rd at 4:24PM EDT (link)

What is fair about taxing some doctors and lawyers at close to 35%, while Buffett only pays 17% on his millions simply because they are profits from stocks and dividends?

The thing is the doctors and lawyers in question can reduce said tax burden if they wish to invest more of their income-which is what Buffett does. Capital gains are insidious because they are a direct disincentive on investment growth and job creation.

As far as this diary goes, a better title might be Paul Ryan will raise tax revenues.

And he will. By cutting rates, streamlining the tax code, and growing the economy. And cut the deficit even more than the CBO estimates predict.

For the life of me, I can’t see where the down side is. Maybe Grover Norquist can dumb it down for me.

Reply to is your friend.

Diogenes314 Saturday, April 23rd at 4:25PM EDT (link)

I know. I know.

I miss the edit function.

 
 

The poor benefit from many typical deductions

GregInFla Saturday, April 23rd at 9:20PM EDT (link)

Money donated to charity directly benefits the poor and needy, and also benefits the government. When someone in the 28 percent bracket donates a dollar to a soup kitchen or another charity supported by United Way, or even a public university, the donor is only really paying 72 cents, and the feds are in it for 28 cents. Take away that dollar completely, and the government would have to chip in for the entire dollar, or take on the work as a govt operation. If the donor sees no deduction, then the donor would be donating the same amount by giving 72 cents, leaving the charity to find the remaining 28 cents while having less money to find it. It makes no sense for the feds to want to provide the money directly if the work of the charity is worthy of support.

So, if the government is going to be in the business of supporting the needy, it is in their interest to offer incentives for donors, the same way that cities and counties give businesses tax breaks. I’m not arguing which side is right, just that the situation exists.


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– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
– Atlas Shrugged the movie is classified as a documentary.

the accountants and lawyers benefit from deductions

Doc Holliday Saturday, April 23rd at 9:41PM EDT (link)

and they wrote the tax code. It is no less stark than Iowa farmers who demand ethanol money for their votes. We should have a dead flat tax or better yet, a national sales tax in lieu of any tax on income (productivity).

Molon Labe!

I agree Doc

GregInFla Saturday, April 23rd at 11:59PM EDT (link)

Any support for the charitable deductions is based on my premise in the second paragraph above: if the government is in business of directly helping the needy. I would rather they totally get out of that line of work, and quit “investing” in such “bright” students as Barack Hussein Obama.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
– Atlas Shrugged the movie is classified as a documentary.

 
 
 

Having Schedule A deductions is a big plus to those that DO NOT itemize

GregInFla Saturday, April 23rd at 9:30PM EDT (link)

Here’s why:
The statement is made everywhere that lower-income taxpayers are disadvantaged because they cannot itemize deductions. This is patently ridiculous when you analyze the numbers. Renters Mr. and Mrs. Lunchbucket cannot itemize, but donate $4,000 to their church. Since they are under the amount for the standard deduction ($11,400), they take that as their deduction, which is more than $4,000. So they get to deduct $7,400 from their income that they did not have to spend. By contrast, people who itemize deductions over $11,400 have to spend every dollar they are deducting. So who ends up benefiting from the existence of deductions: the Lunchbucket Family and the charities who got the donations from those that itemize. The presence and use of the “Standard Deduction” is most often omitted from most discussions on this topic, and it likely directly results in many lower-middle class “taxpayers” not paying any taxes.

This is another reason to refute the idea (often promoted by the real estate industry) that mortgage interest is entirely tax-deductible. On its own, where a taxable entity only has mortgage interest and some property taxes, only that amount above the standard deduction is truly the benefit of itemizing, because that same entity could claim the standard deduction without paying one penny. You could say that the standard deduction subsidizes renters, and therefore is assistance to landlords.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
– Atlas Shrugged the movie is classified as a documentary.

 

I guess some could say that GW Bush Raised taxes

GregInFla Saturday, April 23rd at 9:32PM EDT (link)

instead of lowering them. He lowered tax rates but increased the tax revenue.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
– Atlas Shrugged the movie is classified as a documentary.

Same thing with that left-winger Reagan

Diogenes314 Saturday, April 23rd at 9:38PM EDT (link)

And JFK before him.

Damned socialists.

 

I doubt it

aesthete Saturday, April 23rd at 9:44PM EDT (link)

Tax revenues always increase; it’s the function of inflation and a growing economy. I like cutting taxes as much as the next guy, but claims about increased revenue resulting from a cut at this level of taxation are extremely iffy.

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“”The point of the uprising is the seizure of power; afterwards we will see what we can do with it.”"
–Vladimir Lenin

 

yes but

waitstaph Saturday, April 23rd at 11:12PM EDT (link)

revenues did go up, however Bush also raised the child tax credit and other tax credits, and instead of simplifying the tax code he made it more complex and just lowered the marginal rates. This shrank the tax base over time and is causing some of the structural revenue problems we are having now. Traditionally during a downturn revenues as a percentage of GDP go up slightly because the economy shrinks before taxable income does, thus giving the illusion of higher revenues even though the revenues are actually lower. In the most recent recession tax revenues plummeted at a faster rate than the economy as a whole, giving us an anemic tax intake of around 15% of GDP. There are many other reasons as to why tax intake is so low, but the Bush tax policy is a contributing factor. Now, it’s the Bush tax cuts on ALL of us that caused this problem, not just the “rich” as liberals want us to believe.

Sorry Waitstaph

GregInFla Saturday, April 23rd at 11:50PM EDT (link)

It’s the spending that is the problem. And yes, Bush was part of the problem. I was only saying that what you said of Paul Ryan would also be true of W. Personally, 15% of GDP is just fine with me.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
– Atlas Shrugged the movie is classified as a documentary.

Exactly. It's the spending, Stupid!

6eorge Jetson Sunday, April 24th at 6:36PM EDT (link)

Actually it's both.

Diogenes314 Monday, April 25th at 12:46AM EDT (link)

We need spending cuts and revenue increases. Said increases which will only come from an expanding economy. Tax reform and deregulation still need to be job one.

 

youre right

waitstaph Tuesday, April 26th at 3:47AM EDT (link)

we do have a spending problem. However, when half of the country pays no income tax and earners in higher brackets hire accountants in order to pay a lower actual rate than people who make a quarter of what they do, we have a revenue problem. I am not arguing for fairness for the sake of fairness, I don’t buy that talk when the top earners pay most of the taxes already. I am saying that if we are going to have a progressive system, have a flat one that affects everyone. If we throw that out and replace it with a VAT or a straight flat tax, hallelujah I am all for it. I consider that far less likely than having a simple yet progressive tax system, however.

 
 

So, waitwhatever, just what do you think tax revenues should be?

mbecker908 Sunday, April 24th at 12:06AM EDT (link)

And, more important, what current functions of the federal government - for example, Dept of Ed, Dept of Energy, Dept of Ag, Dept of Commerce, etc - should be eliminated. Note, not cut. Eliminated.

we have a historic average

waitstaph Tuesday, April 26th at 3:56AM EDT (link)

of about 17 percent of GDP in revenue. I think if we have that as a spending cap, not a taxation target, we will be fine. especially since 17 percent is only an average and tends to go above it when the economy is going strong. If we ever want a chance of starting to pay off the national debt, we have to keep revenues at a normative level and not let them permanently drop off to a 15 percent level or whatever, because you can pay your current bills if the government is small enough, but not pay off debts. As for part two, I would get rid of education, commerce, energy, agriculture, HHS, HUD, and homeland security. the (very) few vital portions of each could easily be folded into another department. I would like to see the EPA either cut significantly or folded into the interior department with a very limited role. also eliminate the FDA.

 
 
 

In terms of net taxes, America

BigRedConservative Sunday, April 24th at 9:39AM EDT (link)

was better off during Bush. Some people got their taxes raised, but as a whole he cut taxes greatly.

 
 

Tax revenues always increase; it’s the function of inflation and a growing economy.

Diogenes314 Saturday, April 23rd at 9:47PM EDT (link)

Very good. And said economy is growing because….

I’ll take my answer off the air.

But is it growing fast enough

aesthete Saturday, April 23rd at 10:03PM EDT (link)

that a tax cut will pay for itself? If taxes are at 90%, probably. If the cut is from 38 to 35%, probably not. The marginal return on investment goes down as people have more money at their disposal: as a business, you’ll hire the most competent worker first, then the second most competent if you have enough cash to afford him, etc., and as a person, you’ll buy first the thing which increases your utility the most, then the thing that is second best at increasing your utility, etc. To put it a different way, to say that a tax cut produces revenue beyond what would have been produced by leaving the tax code as is, one would have to say that we are to the right of the equilibrium point in this graph: http://www.politicalbooks.us/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/laffer-curve1.jpg

That claim is dubious, and has not been backed by fact.

(Additionally, an unpaid-for tax cut must be acknowledged to be deferred taxation; inflation thus has the chance of eliminating gains from said tax cut.

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that is why God invented dismantling government

Doc Holliday Saturday, April 23rd at 10:25PM EDT (link)

of course I mean the waste………………………but there is a hell of a lot of waste.

Molon Labe!

Right now the US Government and its Tax Code etc

Michael Dugas Sunday, April 24th at 12:56AM EDT (link)

is adversarial to business which is stupid being that business/ jobs basically create the wealth to pay taxes.
Do away with Capital Gains, cut Corporate taxes in half at least. Install a Flat Tax or National Sales Tax or the like.
These are but a few things that would make huge positive differences.

The simplification of the tax code would allow a lot of savings like we could cut way back at the IRS. There are also several Departments of the US Government that could be done away with like the Depart. of Ed.

This is all old hat. Been discussed for years. Should happen but probably wont.

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"Paying for a tax cut"???

GregInFla Sunday, April 24th at 10:32PM EDT (link)

That means that the government assumes the money was theirs to begin with, and they are being generous in letting people keep some more. That does not fly here. Feds cutting tax rates is not the same as a business lowering prices.

Feds should justify every penny each year, not just increases in funding.


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– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
– Atlas Shrugged the movie is classified as a documentary.

I'm just using the terminology used

aesthete Monday, April 25th at 12:36AM EDT (link)

by the supply-side boosters, who have shown scant evidence for their claims that tax cuts pay for themselves short- or mid-term through growth (i.e, within 10-15 years). Of course, I would much prefer to see drastic spending cuts than tax hikes.

“We are fond of describing any peasant who has enough to eat as a kulak.” — Grigori Zinoviev, 1924

“”The point of the uprising is the seizure of power; afterwards we will see what we can do with it.”"
–Vladimir Lenin

Actually the evidence is clear.

Diogenes314 Monday, April 25th at 12:56AM EDT (link)

Every time we have cut tax rates from Harding to Kennedy to Reagan to Bush, the economy and revenues have increased. Every Time. You can argue that it is possible to make minuscule enough cuts that there would be insufficient growth. Which is only an argument for more serious cuts.

And yes, we are still on the wrong side of the curve when the totality of government taxation is accounted for.

Again, I doubt it increases gummint revenues

aesthete Monday, April 25th at 1:49PM EDT (link)

For sure, it is indisputable that tax cuts have a stimulative effect on the economy — the economy will grow if there is a tax cut, period. The question is, will it grow enough for government to make up for the tax receipts foregone as a result of the tax cut? Only in certain cases. To review, then:

Tax cuts are *always* good for the economy.*

Tax cuts are *sometimes* good for government revenues.

In the case of the JFK tax cuts, there is quite a bit of evidence showing that the cuts were good for government revenues. In the case of the Reagan tax cuts, the evidence is inconclusive. In the case of the Bush tax cuts, the case made by the supply-siders thus far has been weaker than the case made by those opposed to the tax cuts on the narrow issue of whether it helped or hurt government revenues.

*Of course, if a tax cut is unaccounted for by a concomitant reduction in government spending, then the inflation that would be required to make up for those lost revenues may very well cancel out the benefits of the tax cut.

“We are fond of describing any peasant who has enough to eat as a kulak.” — Grigori Zinoviev, 1924

“”The point of the uprising is the seizure of power; afterwards we will see what we can do with it.”"
–Vladimir Lenin

Aesthete, the point should not be whether revenues increased

GregInFla Monday, April 25th at 11:15PM EDT (link)

It should be whether the country and the economy was better served by cutting tax rates. Getting more money from the people really has no bearing on whether the tax rate is better. Was the money used for constitutional government activity.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.
– Atlas Shrugged the movie is classified as a documentary.

That is not a matter of controversy

aesthete Monday, April 25th at 11:24PM EDT (link)

within the economic profession at all, beyond some hidebound socialists: of course tax cuts benefit the economy (again, with the caveat of inflation). As far as the economy goes, a 0% tax rate would be best. The matter of whether or not it increases government tax receipts is the controversial question, and empirically, while I would like it not to be the case, the evidence is solidly against the proposition that the Bush tax cuts increased receipts, ambiguous when it comes to the effects of the Reagan tax cuts, and shows that it did increase receipts in the case of the JFK cuts. If you don’t really care about the effects on government receipts of a tax cut, believing it more important to cut spending, we’re in agreement. (That said, I would take a tax hike if that’s what it takes to get a flat tax.)

“We are fond of describing any peasant who has enough to eat as a kulak.” — Grigori Zinoviev, 1924

“”The point of the uprising is the seizure of power; afterwards we will see what we can do with it.”"
–Vladimir Lenin

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

The Liberals are minor league players

brn2bwild2001 Monday, April 25th at 12:06AM EDT (link)

It’s fun to watch the liberal politicians try to step up to the plate and swing the bat like they’re a major league player. They let the bat rest on their shoulder and claim the umpire hates the fans that’s why they can’t get a hit. The GOP leaders are swinging the bat and getting hits along the way. Hence Paul Ryan’s proposed budget that has the liberal’s running around claiming the GOP is going bring this country to it’s knees. This reminds me when Prop 13 was being debated in Calif in 1978. I specifically remember seeing a bumper sticker saying “If your house catches on fire call Jarvis/Gann to put it out”. The premise being that Firefighters would be cut back to the point that they would not be able to respond to house fires. Now we hear the same thing from the liberals….except Seniors will be put out on the streets with nothing to eat. When will the liberals learn that the scare tactics don’t work…oh…that’s right they’re the ones in charge of education…as long as they can keep our children brainwashed they’ll continue with the lie.

 

If there has to be an income tax

jayburd Tuesday, April 26th at 12:14AM EDT (link)

it has been proven that 11% flat tax gives the most return plus economic growth, PERIOD. The problem is not taxes it is the size of govt., PERIOD. Drastically reduce the size of govt. and revenue would not be a problem, PERIOD. Anyone who tells you it is a revenue problem is a socialist, PERIOD. My father always told me that one day we would have to starve the bureaucrats out of their jobs someday. Better than blowing up their offices I guess.

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