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Scott Mendelson

Scott Mendelson

Posted: October 18, 2010 06:38 PM

What Does a Cartoon Have to Do to Get a 'G' These Days?

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The Lion King had a major character's father being murdered onscreen, another major character being eaten alive by hyenas, and a young child snuggling up beside the corpse of the above-mentioned recently deceased father. Tarzan opened with a blood-stained cabin containing two corpses and an infant being eaten alive off screen, and it ended with the onscreen shooting death of a major character and the hanging of the lead villain. The Hunchback of Notre Dame had an onscreen neck-breaking murder of a young mother, the attempted drowning of her baby, and an entire subplot involving the villain's desire to screw and/or murder the heroine because of his guilt-ridden lustings for her that felt like a cross between Schindler's List and Sweeney Todd (great movie and great song though... why don't they make kids toys that sing "Hellfire"?). Yet they all received G-ratings from the MPAA back in the 1990s. Yet just last week, Walt Disney's Tangled received a PG rating for the unholy crime of 'brief mild violence' (trailer 01 and trailer 02).

Back in my day (about ten years ago), the PG rating was a kiss of death for an animated feature. The Black Cauldron in 1985 was the only major Disney cartoon to receive said rating, and it was an infamous flop for the struggling studio that instigated the changing of the guard which brought about the Jeff Katzenberg/Mike Eisner/Roy Disney 1986-1994 era-of-awesome (I'd argue that it lasted until 1999, but I'm a fan of their post-Lion King work). As the 90s drew to a close and Dreamworks waged a genuine campaign against the Disney animation monopoly, they used the PG rating to signal that their initial films (Antz, Prince of Egypt, etc) would be a bit more hard-edged than the stereotypical all-ages Disney films. Fox tried their luck with the PG-rated Titan A.E. in summer 2000 and flopped so hard ($75 million budget > $36 million worldwide gross) that Fox nearly ceased to even have an animation branch, and the one-time would-be Disney rival Don Bluth ceased to have a career all-together. While Disney tried their hand at hard-PG action in 2001 with Atlantis: The Lost Empire (if you want a film that feels like it inspired Avatar just as much as The Battle For Terra...), but the film grossed just $84 million domestic.

Ironically, just a month prior, Dreamworks would release the film that would more or less completely kill the notion that PG = box office death. Of course, we're talking about Shrek, which received a PG for 'mild language and some crude humor'. The film established Dreamworks as an equal to the Disney animation empire, grossed $262 million in the US, and won the first-ever Academy Award for Best Animated Film. Once Dreamworks proved that PG didn't necessarily equal box-office doom, the floodgates opened. In fact, of their twenty animated features, only three Dreamworks cartoons have been rated G (Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron, Wallace and Gromit: The Curse of the Were-Rabbit, and Chicken Run). All three Ice Age films from Fox (the franchise that revitalized Fox's animation department) all had PG ratings, as did Robots (Horton Hears A Who, a $145 million-domestic grosser, had a G).

The weird side-effect of this over the last decade is that while more and more animated movies have been willing to go with the PG rating, it has seemed harder and harder to actually get a G for films that seemingly would deserve it. Sure, the two Pixar PG-films (The Incredibles and Up) had onscreen deaths and heart-wrenching drama, but Lilo and Stitch basically got a PG for having a rude and obnoxious alien furball as a main character (or, um... 'mild sci-fi action'). Most Pixar films, even the emotionally-devastating Toy Story 3, went out with G ratings, but Bolt went out with a PG for basically having a (fantastic) curtain-raiser opening action sequence that was quickly revealed to be fake and for a climactic moment of fiery peril for the lead characters.

Point being, back in my day, you had to EARN a PG rating for your cartoon. You had to have Earth being blown up in the opening scenes (Titan A.E.), you had to have corpses coming back to life and attacking our heroes (The Black Cauldron), you had to have a ten-year old child killing enemy henchmen (The Incredibles), you had to have a 200-person expedition team getting wiped out by robotic monsters (Atlantis: The Lost Empire). You at least had to have some token vulgarity and the occasional profanity (the Shrek series). But now that the PG rating is no longer considered kryptonite, and the G rating can be considered as 'uncool' for animated films as it generally is for live-action films, studios don't seem to be even putting up a fight before taking that PG for something as meaningless as 'brief mild violence'. It makes one wonder whether the Disney cartoons of my youth, such as The Hunchback of Notre Dame, would be PG-13 by today's standards. Heck, maybe it would get an R.

 

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LMPE   02:16 PM on 10/19/2010
This requires a look at the history of animation. During animation's infancy in the 1910s and 1920s, animated shorts were a series of nonsensical, free-associative images. With animation, a person could create anything, so they did just that. But Walt Disney decided that animation should be for children, and so they idea came to dominate. It's only been since feature films started showing "R-rated" things that cartoons started doing the same.

My point is that animation is really just another form of movie-making. There's no reason why it should have to be "cute" at all. My idea for an animated movie would contain lots of "R-rated" stuff.
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BlackJAC   11:48 AM on 10/19/2010
The Flintstones were the first married couple to share a bed during the era of the Motion Picture Production Code where you couldn't show a heterosexual married couple sharing a bed due to the implications of sex, but there's no outrage over that.
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LMPE   02:10 PM on 10/19/2010
Not only that, but "The Flintstones" was the first show that dealt with infertility, albeit subtly. Barney and Betty couldn't have children, so they adopted Bam-Bam.
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ShinjiIkari   10:48 AM on 10/19/2010
Ultimately, the marketing of "Tangled" doesn't just look back to "Aladdin" (more of a template than "Mulan"). I think it also looks forward to another tent-pole, even if Disney doesn't do it (and it's fair odds they won't): "Wicked."
silverliner4   10:15 AM on 10/19/2010
Remember when the first Japanese anime TV series were being translated and edited for broadcast in the USA? The early efforts from the 1960s and 1970s (Astroboy, Battle of the Planets, Speed Racer) were rather tame in terms of violence. The next batch, which included series like Star Blazers and Macross, had more violence which had to be toned down. In one Macross series, the Earth gets blown away, which was OK for US broadcast, but one of the main characters was introduced in drag, which got cut. Star Blazers was a remarkable series, but watch the original uncut Japanese series and see how much was cut and edited. But now, those kids who grew up watching those shows (and the original unedited versions of them) are now making their own animation and their influences come partly from these shows. American animation is becoming more like animation from other, more developed countries. It's more gritty and more realistic in its tones. There aren't true heroes and villains- those lines can get blurred. People make mistakes. People fall in and out of love, they use profanity, and oh yeah, they die and they don't come back. Of course you can have animation produced for a certain audience or demographic however you want, and entertainment should be an escape from the everyday, but you can't ignore the world you live in. US animation studios and producers are starting to realize that, and that's a good thing, I think.
DOCtrine   08:40 AM on 10/19/2010
What you cite sir sounds like a mixture of two things. Much like in Germany (and perhaps other EU countries) violence is the true evil, while innuendo and crude humor are more widely accepted, American film makers are beginning to err on the side of too crude rather than too violent, as were the old films. Remember how scary "Rats of Nym" was? These older animated features weren't crude, but maintained a much spookier motif. I for one am glad that the ratings are harsh. I hate taking my kids to a family film, only to subject them to crude humor and innuendo. Hollywood is beginning to exclude children from the theater seats because of their warped (and continually warping) notion of what the viewers want to see. Have you seen "Princess and the Frog"? ...you would think that film makers were a bunch of pagan devil worshipers!?!

I totally disagree with you concerning the "G" rating being uncool however. I only consider G ratings when taking my children out because PG is often too adult for them, in theme and in content. I for one wish there were more G films out there... and as an aspiring screenwriter, I aim to create some.
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Hypocrites are Watching   10:04 AM on 10/19/2010
princess and the frog reflects the culture the story is based on/set in. Just to let you know christmas is a pagan holiday called saturnalia (jesus if he did exist was born in June according to scholars) easter another pagan holiday vernal equinox.The term "Easter" is derived from Estre or Eostre, the Anglo-Saxon goddess of spring and dawn.The rabbit is a pagan symbol and has always been an emblem of fertility.The Annunciation is observed on March 25It is believed to be the day thatGabriel announced to Mary that she was to give birth to Jesus but December is not the actual birth date of Jesus, this would make the choice of this date a random one. It doesn't appear to be as random, when compared to the fact that it is the day that the Babylonians held a festival to honor Cybele, the mother of their messiah. Saint George's day, in April, occurs on the same day as the ancient festival of the Parilia. The Feast of Saint John the Baptist, in June, is held very close to the date of a heathen festival of water, which celebrated the purifying of followers with water of the earth in essence a type of baptism.The holiday of the Assumption of Mary, in August, is similar to the festival of the goddess Diana.The vigil of Saint Walpurga replaced the eve of May Day, which was the Celtic festival of Beltane, a fest of rebirth and renewal.
DOCtrine   17 hours ago (9:32 PM)
Goodness sir, you are a veritable pleathora of religious knowledge... I'm sorry I don't understand the point you are trying to get at, but interesting theories none the less. I was simply stating the fact that I personally would not let my children watch P&F; again while under my roof, and could give a damn if it, " ...reflects the culture the story is based on/set in." Just as I wouldn't allow my children to watch a film about hedonistic squirells sacrificing virgins or whatever crap Hollywood's family entertainment department pops out next. Nor would I probably let them (my kids) watch many of the others we cite in this forum. That is my point, there aren't enough plainly wholesome films for children and families to enjoy anymore. You can tell me the origin of the tooth fairy and the easter bunny until you are blue in the face, it's not going to change my opinion that Hollywood certainly does not have our childrens collective innocense in their best interest.
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ShinjiIkari   10:25 AM on 10/19/2010
Violence is relative. In "Snow White" (IIRC) the Queen-as-Witch goes to her dungeon and kicks a human skull. Pretty grim, but all the reaction was in the audience. "The Secret of NIMH" had a similar scene when the owl stepped on a rodant skull, but this time Mrs. Frisby (name in the original book) reacts in horror since the victim was her own species. The owl is unemotional about it; he wasn't evil--just an owl being an owl.

I haven't seen "P&F;", but one could argue that Ursula in "Little Mermaid" was also a "pagan devil worshipper". I do know (since my wife's family is from Louisiana) that you can't retell the story without a culture that practices dark magic. (And of course some cultures have magic that goes both light and dark--such as the Harry Potter saga and the "Fullmetal Alchemist" franchise).
DOCtrine   17 hours ago (9:37 PM)
Well, I am not going to cite specific scenes, I just know we tried to watch it on Netflix and it was much more spooky than our kids were used to, so we turned on something else.

Call me old fashioned (at 30) but I just don't want to pump all that airy fairy crap into my kids fragile psychis. People here have argued that, "if the movie doesn't keep the parents interest, they wont take their kids." Thats about as sorry and selfish as you can get as a parent, sacrificing your childrens innocence for your entertainment... shame on you!
ModerateVoiceofReason   08:38 AM on 10/19/2010
What if the House of Mouse made "Sleeping Beauty" or "Snow White," today; what rating would they get?

In "Sleeping Beauty," there are suggestions of the occult, the word "hell" is used and the evil fairy is killed with a sword and there is blood.
In "Snow White" the princess cohabitates with seven men, her life is placed in danger, and she is poisoned.
I guess because neither princess takes off her top or lights up a heater is the reason why they are still rated G.
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LMPE   02:11 PM on 10/19/2010
Seven cohabiting men. I wonder if anyone has suggested that the dwarfs might be gay.
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Rogo99   08:05 AM on 10/19/2010
It's also a marketing ploy. I would not put it past the marketers to lobby for a PG rating to ensure that adults won't think they'll be totally bored by what is still a bland film for kids.
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Pinkensteve   06:44 AM on 10/19/2010
It's the same logic that says you can show someone on TV getting killed nine ways to Sunday, but don't show kids a nipple. We don't want to give the wrong message.
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BlackJAC   11:37 AM on 10/19/2010
What I love is when they decry the simulated violence in TV, movies and video games because that somehow encourages people to become murderers...and then not only say that soldiers are role models but show actual warfare footage or 9/11. I'm not joking that one time ABC News showed during the dinner hour gun camera footage from an Apache attack helo in Iraq ventilating some real people with real 30mm shells.
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Scott Mendelson   12:25 PM on 10/19/2010
I wrote about this a lot post-Columbine, but I always loved it when networks did reports on movies/tv shows that 'make kids into killers' (The Matrix, The Basketball Diaries, Natural Born Killers, etc), and then showed the offending clips unedited on their news shows without any real context.
The Questioner   04:28 AM on 10/19/2010
Yes the standards have gotten very weird.
More often than not in these kids movies its fart jokes that change it from G to PG. And yes I'm serious.

One of my favorite animated movies as a kid was Ralph Bakshi's Wizards. I can't imagine that getting a PG rating nowadays.
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Hypocrites are Watching   10:08 AM on 10/19/2010
omg that would be an R for sure (great movie) I love Ralph Bakshi
The Questioner   01:38 PM on 10/19/2010
Yeah I had to look it up before I posted it to make sure it was PG. And sure enough...

No chance it would get that today
fasty   11:20 PM on 10/18/2010
Kids under 5 shouldn't be watching TV at ALL, so 'G' is really a small zone anyway.
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Woody25   11:12 PM on 10/18/2010
Wakko Warner of the Animaniacs said Pee Pee (actually he was referring to the 16th letter of the alphabet- in a cartoon on TV- he then said its amazing what they let us get away with these days.
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Scott Mendelson   11:20 PM on 10/18/2010
He also uttered the word 'sexy' on a random episode involving the psychiatrist, was kinda shocked at the time.
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BlackJAC   11:37 AM on 10/19/2010
Helloooooo­oooooooooo Nurse!
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BlackJAC   11:28 AM on 10/19/2010
There was also this short-lived cartoon called MAD JACK THE PIRATE where the title character says "These [prison] bars are on tighter than a pair of Pamela Anderson's blue jeans."
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cdub1991   10:52 PM on 10/18/2010
Pfft--kids are soft these days. I can remember Johnny Quest gunning down the bad guys with a machine gun. And that was on TV--back in the days when men were men and kids were killers.
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ShinjiIkari   12:12 AM on 10/19/2010
And villains were largely racist stereotypes. Personally, I thought JQ was a breath of fresh air, but it was basically Hanna-Barbera taking one step forward and one step back.
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Rogo99   08:03 AM on 10/19/2010
Now it gets lampooned regularly on The Venture Brothers.
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cdub1991   10:01 AM on 10/19/2010
You're right of course. Every conceivable negative stereotype appeared at one time or another on that show. I was too young to know any better back then, so I loved the show. It had a real, breathless sense of adventure about it.
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BlackJAC   11:30 AM on 10/19/2010
And Mister Magoo had this decidedly racist Asian sidekick character that used to speak with a stereotypical accent...but the last time I saw said character they'd redubbed his lines to eliminate said accent.
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SeaBlood   09:19 PM on 10/18/2010
Things change, I guess.
GeeDeeJay   09:04 PM on 10/18/2010
I yearn for the days of good, wholesome violence---like Sylvester the cat getting whacked in the face with a frying pan, then peeling it off with a pan shaped imprint of his head. Or who could possibly forget this heartwarming classic?-----When I say whoa....... I mean WHOA!, followed by a vicious head club. They just don't make good, family, fun oriented childrens fare like this-----& we're all poorer as a society for it.
lexkw   08:53 PM on 10/18/2010
No, the Hunchback of Notre Dame would not get an R. In order to earn that, some character has to light up a cigarette.
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BlackJAC   11:31 AM on 10/19/2010
Or say the F-word at least twice.

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