Congressman Eliot Engel, addressing a breakout session at his 22d consecutive AIPAC policy conference :
You are the key to a safe and secure Israel… There is no more effective lobbying force on Capitol Hill than AIPAC. Bar none. It does make a difference. It's noted in Washington, it's noted in the Congress, it's noted in the White House… I can talk about this because I'm mishpocheh [speaking to Jewish family]… If you can only join one organization, AIPAC in my opinion is the Organization to join."
These views were just reflected by the rabbi who did the invocation for tonight's banquet. A Rabbi Krakoff, he described Israel as a "country we love with all our hearts and souls."
Then citing Genesis, and the charge to be our brother's keeper, he said, "We are absolutely our brother's and our sister's keeper." It is a charge fully understood by the 6500 people in this room. "Our Zionist dream has become a reality."
And then we rose for the singing of the Star Spangled Banner and the Hatikvah of Israel. More voices were raised to the strains of the Hatikva.
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This from the Israel-Firster in Foreign Affairs who likes to visit Jonathan Pollard in prison and wants the guy out… this is your government folks.
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Democratic Party nah…. it's the The Likud Party…in power.
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"We are absolutely our brother's and our sister's keeper." It's interesting how the same phrase can mean something almost diametrically opposed in the Christian and Muslim traditions.
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"More voices were raised to the strains of the Hatikva." You don't have to traveerse all those interval and that high note at the end.
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I remember conservative Jewish voices in May 2006 going nuts over demonstrating LA Mexican Americans daring DARING to wave Mexican flags for a day, or draping Mexican flags over their shoulders. "They're not Americans! They're invaders! Everyone has to become American if they want to live here!" This is really repellent to me now on two levels. (1) We have separation of church and state in this country; why doesn't this applying here? (2) The Zionist dream is not the American dream, and I resent it being conflated to the majority's disadvantage. But as a twitterer named buberzionist repeated over and over and over again yesterday, the goal is to demoralize non-Jews, get used to it.
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AIPAC looks to me like a cult. The singing, ideology, brotherhood…reminds me of the KKK.
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Nothing exemplifies AIPAC for me more than the slideshow of Israeli accomplishments on AIPAC's site. It brags that Israel engineered the first cell phone. It didn't. Dr. Martin Cooper at Motorola did in 1973 (when he first used it out on the NYC street.) It brags that Israel created the first IM messaging chat. It didn't. That was done in 1965 at MIT. It brags that as a country it has more museums per capita than any other country in the world. It doesn't. We do. (Israel is 1 to 30,000; we're 1 to 17,143) And the perennial: that Israel has the highest ratio of university degrees to the population. It doesn't. Canada does, and within Canada, specifically the province of Ontario: number one in the world. (Not saying grades — think Finland has that honor — but ratio to the population.) Israel consistently makes hyperbolic and unnecessary claims about itself — lies, when there are many things it can take credit for — that never stand up to scrutiny. It's in constant competition with the USA and doesn't have the graciousness to give credit where credit is due. I saw a list of computer chips today it claimed to invent. One was Intel's PMX 200-300 Mhz chip. Ha! I worked on that in the 80s in a research lab. Israel wasn't anywhere near it. We, Americans, were in the forefront "growing the silicon," as it's called, at that speed and we didn't share those secrets with anyone. Has anyone ever met an Israeli who can tell the truth?
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As I said, the more I see the more I am convinced that this is exactly why the Jews were expelled from every country they ever inhabited. In all the stories of jews being expelled from one country after another nothing is said about why?, ..well , this is probably why.
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Phil wrote: Congressman Eliot said "I can talk about this because I'm mishpocheh [speaking to Jewish family]…" "A Rabbi Krakoff, he described Israel as a "country we love with all our hearts and souls." Hmmmmm, let's see, first there's the one about jews presenting false faces to gentiles and only being honest with other jews, then there's the one that jews could only really love Israel fully …. Any other historic anti-semitic tropes these guys wanna keep alive and kicking? At some point you gotta believe that people like this being intelligent they not only don't mind the anti-semitism this kind of stuff invites they are positively happy to incite it. It's almost like they want it so as to feel special.
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@ MRW – Resistance is futile. I'm trying very hard not to fall for that.
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Eliot Engel just single-handedly validated and affirmed the entire Walsh/Mearsheimer Israel lobby thesis. The next time someone calls the theory of Jewish Zionist maximalist political power "anti-semitic," just say: "Hey, talk to Eliot Engel. He's in Congress, and a Jewish Zionist AIPAC proxy, and he's confirmed it himself."
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This sense of specialness is always a cover for a deep sense of inferiority.
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How much more evidence do we require? Jews are deceitful, traitorous, and treacherous and of course, extremely corrupt–witness the effect of jewish money. They have been at war with the world for hundreds if not thousands of years. They profess patriotism but are loyal to Israel. They nurse their hatred for the goyim at these meetings and whip up the faithful to continue to subvert American institutions. Their loyalty to one another, their organization, and extreme wealth are being used to beat down the majority of White Americans, make them feel guilty of their European identity and slowly but assure dispossess them-economically, politically, and socially. Is there any hope of breaking free from Jewish control?
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Wish that were so. In the case of Jews, there is a deep sense of superiority. Jewish supremacism is a component of Judaism itself.
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By the grace of Allah, what is the matter with some of you? I understand the anger and frustration but to begin assaulting every Jew and Jewish history while at the same time reading the writings of an honest Jew is utterly debased. Good people are good regardless of their faith or tribe they may be part of, the sooner some of you realize this the better the world will be. For every Engel, I'll say to you Weiss. For every goddamn cruel Israeli you care to mention I'll say to you Amira Hass and for every terrible Jew you care to mention I'll mention you a Muslim, Christian or Buddhist. Though the crimes of Israel are great today, do not forget the crimes against Africa committed till this day. Do not forget the crimes committed against natives all around the world by Europeans.
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"One honest Jew" only proves the point in the sense of the exception proving the rule. With regard to your nonsense about "crimes" committed by Europeans, do you really want to get into historical score keeping? Isn't that the problem with the Jewish narrative: the ever innocent, forever victimized Jew. It is history as a weapon instead of history as a tool to discover the truth and promote reconciliation.
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The main reason I brought up the evil of European conquest and colonialism was because you painted Jews as being unique in their evil. As if for the crimes of Israel now, justified the killing and oppression of Jews of the past. Saying nonsensical statements such as ,"Jews are deceitful, traitorous, and treacherous and of course, extremely corrupt" simply makes you a godawful racist. I'm a Muslim and I've heard these exact same things said of Muslims. It didn't make it true then and it sure as hell doesn't make it true now. What I'm trying to say is, wholesale condemnation of entire groups of people might be easy but it's also not right. What difference is there between you and the Zionist squatter that calls all Arabs deceitful, traitorous and treacherous?
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Something tells me we got another troll here. Usually this kind of idiocy is from Zionists pretending to be "antisemites" in order to discredit an argument.
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The fact is that zionism embarked on its colonial venture too late in history, when the European powers had already exhausted whatever progressive possibilities colonialism had ever had. Isaac Deutscher, the Trotskyite, expresses this view at some length in his book "The Non-Jewish Jew." An online excerpt from another piece of his says: "The decay of bourgeois Europe has compelled the Jew to embrace the nation-state. This is the paradoxical consummation of the Jewish tragedy. It is paradoxical; because we live in an age when the nation-state is fast becoming an archaism." ” target=”_blank”>http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/ame…
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MRW: "Nothing exemplifies AIPAC for me more than the slideshow of Israeli accomplishments on AIPAC's site. It brags that Israel engineered the first cell phone. It didn't. Dr. Martin Cooper at Motorola did in 1973 (when he first used it out on the NYC street.) It brags that Israel created the first IM messaging chat. It didn't. That was done in 1965 at MIT." Good for you, you can read wikipedia. You are obviously not an engineer. Cooper didn't do all the work on the cell phone. Much of it was done at Motorola's Haifa center. Most of the technologies we use in todays cell phones were developed in Israel. Did you happen to read "How Israel Saved Intel" ” target=”_blank”>http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstec… Every major Hi Tech company has a major facility in Israel. Why is that?
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The question you should be asking is, "is it true?" I believe the Jews' historical record shows they are a subversive, revolutionary people who work relentlessly to undermine the culture and politics of their hosts to serve their narrow interests.
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"I'm mishpocheh [speaking to Jewish family]… " And then we rose for the singing of the Star Spangled Banner and the Hatikvah of Israel. More voices were raised to the strains of the Hatikva. — Phil Weiss Rep. Eliot Engel (D-Israel) — who resembles Woody Allen, but without the sense of humor — nominally 'represents' our household in Congress. I don't even bother contacting him no more, because he makes no secret of considering his international Jewish family a higher priority (or maybe his only priority) than the district he 'represents.' I wish AIPAC would just translate the Star Sprangled Banner into Hebrew. Can't fix the gnarly melody, but at least the words would be easier to sing for many AIPACers. I know Nancy Pelosi would appreciate it a lot.
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Buberzionist twits that he's the number one favorite pro-Israel twitterer on all of Twitter.
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Thanks to special exemption given by our Congress, Israel gets to take our inventions, reverse engineer them, ignore our IP laws, patent themselves, and sell our stuff to, e.g., China & India. AIPAC stole our Intellectual Property data and gave it to Israel during the trade negotiations back around 1984.
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Why of course it was a simple matter of anti-semitism. How many know the Muslims were also kicked out of Spain?
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What is the logic behind AIPAC's trumpeting of Israeli accomplishments on their site? No question, on a per capita basis, Israel is blessed with enviable human capital and technical expertise. I seem to recall that the pilotless drone was originally an Israeli invention — basically a scaled-up RC airplane, fitted with a small camera to see over the next hill to where the Arabs were hidin' out. In typical American fashion, we upgraded and gold-plated it so that it costs a hundred times more. Now a guy sitting in a trailer in the desert outside Las Vegas can use a Predator drone to massacre a Pakistani wedding party by remote control. Kewl! But let's stop and recognize that harping on Israel's technical accomplishments harks back to the classical Zionist canard, 'We made the deserts bloom' (thus allegedly justifying the zionist takeover from the shiftless, do-nothing Arabs). But if this is so, why shouldn't we equally admire and glorify the Third Reich, which was pounding London with V2 rockets long before the Allies had anything comparable to shoot back? This analogy is not as far-fetched as it sounds. Though they eventually became bitter enemies, German-Jewish Zionists were much influenced by the Prussian thinking which morphed into Naziism in 1930s Germany. You can see that Prussian thinking at work in the Israeli occupation, in which a maze of rules and planning edicts keep everything ostensibly 'legal,' even if it's morally atrocious. If Israel's technical accomplishments are so great, let's dare AIPAC to tout Israel's amazing accomplishment in building hundreds of nuclear weapons in nearly complete secrecy. *sound of crickets chirping*
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"AIPAC is the most effective lobby on Capital Hill, bar none" and it's mission is full support of a foreign country. And if a single congress person strays from the fold by criticizing any aspect of what Israel does with our total support, they are an anti-semite and unpatriotic American. What's the formula here? All Jews are Israeli Jews & all Israeli Jews are world Jews, plus the mission of the USA & that of Israel are identical. The Engels among us see no irony at all in what they say. Any one who points it out simply hates Jews for being born Jewish. Das ist Alles.
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At the AIPAC conference Cohen described why we all have to support AIPAC's agenda. He was very explicit, beginning with the cattle cars headed for Auschwitz–we have to use all our treasure and blood to keep every Jew free of fear. The best way to do this is to fully support Israel at all times. Uncle Sam, the biggest, most dangerous oaf in the world, is hand-cuffed to a slippery mental case. The oaf deports a 90 year old man for something he did as a teen-ager over 60 years ago while ignoring what the mental case nation did early this year while in the throes of paranoia to people it dispossessed & cages in who had absolutely nothing to do with Auschwitz. Uncle Sam is an enabler in the cycle of abuse, a classic case every shrink knows by heart.
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You don't understand psychology.
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I agree; most American Jews do not rubber-stamp Israel; however they often don't talk about this to Gentiles for fear that would give real Jew haters ammo–don't air Jewish dirty laundry in public. This is a common tribal psychology–siblings fight amongst themselves, but if an outsider attacks any one of them, they present a united front in public.
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The test of virtue is power. Nothing in world history makes whites unique in their thirst to rule over & exploit others. You said, "Do not forget the crimes committed against natives all around the world by Europeans." Quite. Let's also not forget equal evil committed by non-Europeans around the world throughout history. And, let's not forget the respective positive contributions to humanity either–the European-originating people have made quite a few, no?
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NAZI German technological creativity is behind countless things we take for granted today. Both for warfare and comfort. Medicine even uses NAZI science results. I don't hear Germans here or in Germany constantly reminding everybody of such achievements in science and psuedo-science. Similarly, Americans have achieved much, have been in many ways a "light to the world" but American criticism of American ways and policies means Sarah Pallin is a laughing stock to many Americans.
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"You don't understand psychology." Exactly! If I were you, Crazy Wisdom, I would look for the answer in the trauma of circumcision. There are many suppressed studies on this, which you can find easily on Google.
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I smell ziocaine.
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"Do not forget the crimes committed against natives all around the world by Europeans" Forget them? Not likely I should forget. For all my life all I had to say was "I'm a Jew" and I was the sufferingest, most persectutedest, guy in the room. The ladies, natch, were all over it. They all wanted to hide me in their attic. But then this whole internet thing started, and now I find out that the troubles of the Jews are just one of a number of genocides and persecutions. And on sheer numbers, well, we are nowhere, there just weren't that many to start with.
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Well, you do hear some Americans saying the Nazis were great but misguided — Pat Buchanan, and the Temple of Set, to name but one and a bit.
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RE: "AIPAC looks to me like a cult." MY COMMENT: I have always thought they (and perhaps Zionism, more generally) have many of the characteristics of a cult. 'Jonestown' comes to mind. Jonestown, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jonestown was the informal name for the "Peoples Temple Agricultural Project", an intentional community in northwestern Guyana formed by the Peoples Temple, a cult from California, United States, led by Jim Jones. It became internationally notorious in November 1978, when 918 people died in the settlement as well as in a nearby airstrip and in Georgetown, Guyana's capital. The name of the settlement became synonymous with the incidents at those locations. On November 18, 1978, 909 Temple members died in Jonestown, all but two from apparent cyanide poisoning in an event termed "revolutionary suicide" by Jones and some members on an audio tape of the event and in prior discussions. To the extent the actions in Jonestown were viewed as a mass suicide, it is the largest such event in modern history and resulted in the largest single loss of American civilian life in a non-natural disaster until the events of September 11, 2001…. SOURCE – ” target=”_blank”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown PS. Was Masada a "revolutionary suicide"? Masada, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Masada (Hebrew מצדה, pronounced Metzada, from מצודה, metzuda, "fortress") is the name for a site of ancient palaces and fortifications in the South District of Israel on top of an isolated rock plateau, or large mesa, on the eastern edge of the Judean Desert overlooking the Dead Sea. After the First Jewish-Roman War (also known as the Great Jewish Revolt) a siege of the fortress by troops of the Roman Empire led to the mass suicide of Jewish rebels, who preferred death to surrender…. SOURCE – ” target=”_blank”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masada
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RE: " This sense of specialness is always a cover for a deep sense of inferiority." Doesn't every religion (or at least, the three Abrahamic ones) incorporate a "sense of specialness"? Doesn't nationalism generally incorporate a "sense of specialness"?
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Temple of Set?
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RE: "Jews are deceitful, traitorous, and treacherous and of course, extremely corrupt…" MY RESPONSE: No more so than other humans.
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Hehe, yep. That last sentence clinches it for me. (waving my arms wildly around just to make sure there aren't any chains on them) Nice try Mr. Israeliscrap, but most of us are on to the hasbarist ploy of conflating Zionism with Judaism and claiming that it is anti-semitic to criticize Israeli ethnic cleansers and colonists, Israeli and Zionist-driven American government policies, and the Israel-first American Zionists who break American law continuously to support and maintain them. Extremist colonial Zionism is the problem, not Judaism.
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I'm not certain that Rowan is thinking along the same lines, but Set is the Stygian snake God worshiped by Conan's nemesis Thoth-Amon in R.E. Howard's Conan novels. three volume compilation of all his original Conan writings: The Coming of Conan the Cimmerian The Bloody Crown of Conan The Conquering Sword of Conan
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Thanks, Colin. I won't lie to you and say I will go read those novels. So what does Set represent in terms of human values?
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Because funding to Israel, with it's tax advantages, requires that one partner be physically located in Israel.
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FROM MURRAY ROTHBARD (REGARDING THE 'RANDIANS'): "The Sociology of the Ayn Rand Cult" ( Written in 1972, this was the first piece of Rand revisionism from the libertarian standpoint.) (EXCERPT) In the America of the 1970s we are all too familiar with the religious cult, which has been proliferating in the last decade. Characteristic of the cult (from Hare Krishna to the "Moonies" to EST to Scientology to the Manson Family) is the dominance of the guru, or Maximum Leader, who is also the creator and ultimate interpreter of a given creed to which the acolyte must be unswervingly loyal. The major if not the only qualification for membership and advancement in the cult is absolute loyalty to and adoration of the guru, and absolute and unquestioning obedience to his commands. The lives of the members are dominated by the guru’s influence and presence. If the cult grows beyond a few members, it naturally becomes hierarchically structured, if only because the guru cannot spend his time indoctrinating and watching over every disciple. Top positions in the hierarchy are generally filled by the original handful of disciples, who come to assume these positions by virtue of their longer stint of loyal and devoted service. Sometimes the top leadership may be related to each other, a useful occurrence which can strengthen intra-cult loyalty through the familial bond. The goals of the cult leadership are money and power. Power is achieved over the minds of the disciples through inducing them to accept without question the guru and his creed. This devotion is enforced through psychological sanctions. For once the acolyte is imbued with the view that approval of, and communication with, the guru are essential to his life, then the implicit and explicit threat of excommunication – of removal from the direct or indirect presence of the guru – creates a powerful psychological sanction for the "enforcement" of loyalty and obedience. Money flows upward from the members through the hierarchy, either in the form of volunteer labor service contributed by the members, or through cash payments. It should be clear at this point in history that an ideological cult can adopt the same features as the more overtly religious cult, even when the ideology is explicitly atheistic and anti-religious. That the cults of Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Trotsky, and Mao are religious in nature, despite the explicit atheism of the latter, is by now common knowledge. The adoration of the cult founder and leader, the hierarchical structure, the unswerving loyalty, the psychological (and when in command of State power, the physical) sanctions are all too evident…. ENTIRE ARTICLE – ” target=”_blank”>http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard23.ht…
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