NetSurf

I have uploaded the first development preview of NetSurf to Aminet. It has issues and features but at least works with some sites

Great thing! Would it be possible to cannibalize code from some other light weight OS browser to add rudimentary JS? AWeb for exmaple (surely not the best JS out there, but quite lightweight and better than none)?

No I wont do anything with the engine AWeb JS could be perhaps used but NetSurf internals must stay platform neutral which means ripping out tons of Amiga specific code from AWeb. Greater problem with NetSurf engine is that it is completely single threaded (since RISC OS does not have pre-emptive multitasking) making it very slow with many sites. But there are so many issues that I could spend my whole life working on it so I am just concentrating on its GUI frontend only.

Nice one. Great job Thx a lot.

Would you say that Sputnik in its current state (will all the annoying bugs) is still more advanced than NetSurf or not?

[ Edited by skipp604 on 2009/1/13 0:26 ]

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i dont have visible fonts in netsurf.
what should i do to fix this?
anyway, very nice, thanks for the effort!

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Download ttengine.database, copy it to ENVARC: and reboot.

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I would say it is. Sputnik uses WebKit which is far more advanced than NetSurf engine and Sputnik uses native MUI gadgets while NetSurf is using custom drawn gadgets in its browser display. Sputnik supports JavaScript, NetSurf doesnt.

Thx itix.

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Very nice itix. I have installed ttengine.database into ENVARC: but there is also ttengine2.database file in my ENVARC: aswell.

After the reboot I get fonts on the navigation buttons and in URL string. But webpages doesn't show text.

I use Bitstream Vera Sans/14 as the main font. Is this a unicode font or not?

Other than this. Really nice to see such effort.


Thanks itix!

Great news. Thanks. Will check it soon!

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Since when do we need to reboot to get changes on an amiga !!!???

Simply copy the file in envarc: and env: (eventually flush memory) then restart netsurf ....

SixK

[ Edited by SixK on 2009/1/13 17:07 ]

if someone has troubles with fonts, although ttengine.database is in env: and envarc:
here's a paste from #morphos irc of golem's solve:

"<Golem>run the download script in the sputnik folder should get you the needed fonts"

It works, but fonts are toooo smalllll :(

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AROS_OWB10_thumb.pngForget NetSurf and, worst of all, perhaps even Sputnik (!): I've just stumbled upon Stanisław Michał Szymczyk's port of Origyn Web Browser to AROS, and I'm starting to think it has already overtaken every other web browser for Amiga-like operating systems...
He's chasing a Power2People bounty, and I believe he's going to get it easily. Please check his project documentation, it's also an excellent read about programming nowadays. Of course, it also contains the mandatory screenshost for immediate drool.
I understand that AROS' MUI implementation (called Zune) is weaker than MorphOS' native MUI 4. So Stanisław's work can only be better in our system?
One last question: Why are there so many computer geniuses in Poland?

[ Edited by jcmarcos on 2009/1/16 11:44 ]

jcmarcos: And what about this? Fab's OWB screenshot on MorphOS

owb_500.jpg

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if it goes on like this, OWB will probably end as the main browser for all Amiga-ish platforms. It already showed on OS4 what is possible, I will not take long anymore before AROS follows ... With Sputnik MorphOS was one step ahead ... but it seems MorphOS is getting back behind.

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Impressive, of course. Fab has recently said here that he is busy on something "big". Perhaps it's this?
What I feel now is pity for all the hard work Marcik has done in Sputnik. Does anybody know why Origyn progresses much faster than Sputnik? I guess that's because Sputnik is much more a native MorphOS browser than Origyn (although they both share their main engine). Then, I suppose being native has to yield some significative advantage, which I ignore.
Origyn can render over SDL, which eases a lot the porting effort. Does that mean that it's rendering to some "alien" thing, and so the operating system ignores its contents? For eample, Is it possible to copy text from a web page displayed by Origyn?

> Does anybody know why Origyn progresses much faster than Sputnik?

I think it's because Sputnik is a closed source one man show, whereas Stanislaw Szymczyk could build upon the work of Joerg Strohmayer and (to a minor degree) Robert "fce2" Norris (see Stanislaw's project documentation you linked to).
I don't know though if Fab used/uses any of the Amiga/AROS porting work already done before by others.

Maybe you are right but maybe it is also because Sputnik:
- uses a core derived from some Symbian crap which is not really OS independant and easily portable like OWB. This is because Webkit was not easily portable when he started the project years ago. Personally, I would not touch with a stick some source coming from Symbian or Nokia... and I pity Marcik :)
- is a real MUI application whereas current OWB ports are just using native toolkit as a display area and all gadgets and stuff are some custom alien implementation stuff drawn using SDL or Cairo.
- is faster (but this can change), although it is also flickering a lot
- feel free to complete :)

If Marcik had time and motivation, he should probably adapt Sputnik to use OWB's or Chrome's core (once this one really became portable).