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Dating After Divorce In a City of Sluts

Posted: 09/03/11 12:30 PM ET

Since I left my husband I have been unable to do a number of things -- the most frustrating lost skill is the ability to date. After nine years in a committed relationship, I have extreme difficulty navigating the nuanced dance that is dating. I have learned I can't be too direct, eager, needy, desperate, clingy, emotional, commitment pressuring, or baby daddy seeking. I also have to avoid looking cold, aloof, bitchy, mean, shallow, negative or distant. And of course I can't even talk about my ex, even if the past nine years of my life was living and working with him! Then there are the crazy games of when to text, email or call, when to answer immediately, when to act interested or disinterested and when to completely blow them off. As a person who is by nature very direct and to the point, dating is a mystery trapped in a puzzle, tucked in a fireproof safe thrown down a mineshaft. I just can't figure it out. But the most distressing behavior is the casual sex hook-up mating habits that dominate New York City, a city that I adore and call my home.

I am a committed relationship type of gal. I make no illusions to being anything but this, and I do not judge others with different lifestyles. If a polyamorous life of multiple lovers or a string of emotionally detached one-night stands with perfect strangers is satisfying to a person, then they should be doing exactly that. But I know there are others like me that aren't wired this way, and seek something with some level of greater commitment both emotionally and sexually. I have a myriad of friends who complain all the time:

"I am not slutty enough for New York."

And I can relate. I have made failed attempts of hooking up with partners for something casual, but every time the results have been disastrous. For the most part I am let down by an experience that was supposed to be fun, and which ends up making my life more complicated. I had one man who kept calling me for months, another who rudely told me about his other women -- and yes there is a polite way to handle this -- and yet another who had a mild breakdown in my apartment about how he couldn't handle the "gray area". So I realized, I am not this person, I need to be true to myself so I went back to my committed relationship roots. But no matter how much I keep trying to go for a relationship, the hook-up scenario keeps rearing its ugly head. I might start talking to a guy only to see him leave with a woman who has made it perfectly clear that a hook-up is about to happen. A situation I like to call survival of the sluttiest.

It is just sort of expected by many that you start the physical part of the relationship first, and then see if either partner wants to continue after the fact, sort of a try before you buy situation. Sex before emotional attachment, sex before any form of relationship, sex before everything.

• The guy will call or text when he wants to hookup but that is about it.
• You are supposed to be on call to wait for the opportunity to see him
• Don't reveal too much about yourself, but listen to him complain
• Don't expect commitment, or exclusivity
• Don't expect any emotional bonding
• Don't expect much effort on his part to impress you
• Don't expect him to make you feel important in his life

Not exactly what I call fun, but again everyone is different and for some people this situation is ideal. What I find frustrating is that if you really want to get to know a guy first before having sex with him, it seems like there is no end to the women who will jump into bed with them. And this isn't to say that only men do this, as women engage in the same behavior as do people of all sexual orientations and gender identifications.

I didn't think that in order to try to have a healthy sustained relationship with a person I am supposed to have sex with them hours or even minutes after meeting them. It seems more like long-term relationship suicide.

I know there a plenty of men and women who are frustrated like myself out there. But what are we supposed to do when everyone around us seems to be whoring it up? And if people can so easily get no-strings attached sex, and then never see the person again if they choose, why would they try for anything else?

There are no real rules with relationships and sometimes sleeping with a stranger leads to years of coupled bliss, but it is rare when that happens. And in a city where pretty much anyone can become anonymous overnight, promiscuous behavior dominates. How did this become the ideal lifestyle? And is there a place for people like myself who want something more traditional? I don't want to move, but I am really getting tired of being alone.

 

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Since I left my husband I have been unable to do a number of things -- the most frustrating lost skill is the ability to date. After nine years in a committed relationship, I have extreme difficulty ...
Since I left my husband I have been unable to do a number of things -- the most frustrating lost skill is the ability to date. After nine years in a committed relationship, I have extreme difficulty ...
 
 
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09:44 AM on 10/08/2011
maybe you should take a better look in the mirror, and look at different men
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Chris Close
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04:34 PM on 09/18/2011
Interesting article to be sure. I guess it depends on how you define "survival." I know this will scream of ant-feminism, ant-"conventional wisdom"... but what emotionally secure, mature, and responsible woman/man sleeps around? And if someone is not emotionally secure and mature and responsible why would you consider them a prospect as a mate?
07:30 PM on 10/07/2011
Logic fail
07:28 PM on 09/17/2011
Okay - this BEGS a short but concise response...so here goes: I HAVE lived in NY (loved it and still love the city) and it IS truly an emotional desert. As they say, "that's life in the big city". Perhaps try a common interest group (pretty sure I'm only the 739th person on this thread to suggest that) or, barring that, move ! This will come as a shock to you, but there are MILLIONS, literally, of good men looking for love as well. They might not work at some big brokerage house, have that Tribeca loft, have the corner office on the top floor of that midtown skyscraper or that beach house out in The Hamptons, but they're there. Trust me. Maybe take a look at the fireman sitting out front on a crisp fall night...or the chef (the one WITHOUT his own television show) in your favorite little cafe...or the letter carrier who brings your mail. My point is, after being single in both NY AND DC I've come to one inescapable, immutable conclusion: it's about the status and the money. Maybe if more women measured a man on his heart and his spine rather than his portfolio and social standing then we'd all be happier.
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02:22 PM on 09/25/2011
I wish that were true in my case, but my only rule of thumb for financial success is that the man not be as broke as I am! HA! I have really had a rough time out there and I can't move since what I do for a living and as a passion is directly tied into the city. Not every woman is a gold digging social climber. After my divorce I never want to be tied into to my husband in any meaningful way. My ex and I worked together and since my split I have been wiped out. Why would I want to go through that again? If I ended up with some rich man, the minute we split I would be in the same boat and have to fight with lawyers and the like...I would rather just make my own money.
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06:53 PM on 10/07/2011
Maybe lower your standards - I think that is what the commenter is trying to say. There are plenty of good men who are a little pudgy, bald, shy, or otherwise awkward that would be more than willing to go out and get to know someone first before having sex. The ones that are hot, rich, funny, and charming are already taken honey. Or if they aren't, they are looking at the hot 25 year-olds.....and why wouldn't they?
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Sean Myers
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06:57 PM on 10/07/2011
so then why get married again? why not aim to have a long relationship with someone based on the important things you allude to valuing: commitment, honesty, making you feel important, etc.? maybe the goal should be a long term, meaningful relationship rather than the societal bond of marriage.
02:27 PM on 09/17/2011
Sex is easier to get than a date.
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03:43 PM on 09/16/2011
I was supprised after my divorce that if I didn't try to have sex on the first date, they wondered what was wrong. Make no mistake sex ranks 11 on a scale of 10 with me. I had no idea who these women were and didn't want to rush them. I felt sex should happen on it's own by the third date.
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06:07 PM on 09/14/2011
It's time to divorce NYC. You're putting everything you have into maintaining a difficult relationship with a partner who gives nothing back. Also, it's cheating on you with 20M other people.
08:28 AM on 09/15/2011
Totally agree. You need to move to Columbus, Ohio!
11:08 AM on 09/12/2011
Dating in NYC is hell. Plain and simple. I am in my early 30s and have had a couple of serious long term relationships in this city. What I learned is that meeting a quality person who you can have a relationship does not happen during a night out on the town. Period. It happens with someone you work with, go to school with or participate in other sober activities with. My words of advice: Stop trying to meet men during a night out with friends. Instead, take up a sport, join the gym, take a class at a liberal arts school, in other words, spend time in places where people are sober and not so inclined towards "slutting it up."
12:37 AM on 09/12/2011
This is all about the concentration of population in NY. The same thing happens everywhere else, just on a MUCH smaller scale. Want out of the scene? Move out of NY.
11:14 PM on 09/16/2011
So true! It is the same everywhere! It was the same when I lived out east, when I was overseas and now where I live (a small midwest town).
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07:16 PM on 09/11/2011
There are a lot of guys who want to be single and are fairly expert at getting attention and sex. They are actively churning through the dating scene and unexperienced women are interesting to them.
I think because inexperienced women are not as good at protecting themselves. emotionally and physically. And because they don't demand as much as more experienced women do. There are a lot of unfit men out there. And perhaps as many unfit women but I haven't a paid attention so I can't opine. The thing is to analyze what the kind of men you want will be doing and saying and only pay attention to those men. The others WILL NOT change.
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06:21 PM on 09/11/2011
I am somewhat ambivalent about marriage in general. I've been there, and divorced, which in retrospect was most unfortunate. My ex-husband is a very decent man who became a wonderful adoptive father to my daughter, yet when it came to me he just didn't understand that we were equals. He paid the idea lip service, but otherwise his actions always spoke louder than his words. There was a bit of an age difference, he is 15 years my senior, and he simply could not let go of the idea that I was younger and therefore needed to be constantly instructed in how life worked. We counseled, we did therapy, both of which ended because HE viewed it to be a waste of his time and money, never mind that it was giving me an opportunity to be heard. I will always regret the loss of that marriage, but I had to preserve what self-respect and personal integrity I had before I became just another subjugated and meaningless part of his shadow. Leaving him was the hardest thing I have ever done, but the reality hit him then that he had indeed been overly controlling, and he finally understood. Our relationship has undergone an interesting transformation since. Had he taken me seriously while we were married, I imagine we still would be today. As it is, for me, there is no going back.
01:36 PM on 09/11/2011
If you want all that connected to sex, you should stick to reltaitonshiops.
You are asking too much of a casual sex partner.
11:04 AM on 09/12/2011
I think the entire point of the article was to say she DOESN'T want a casual sex partner. Pay attention!
12:17 AM on 09/13/2011
You are right. I was preoccupied.
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04:38 PM on 09/10/2011
i may be waay out of line here..

but maybe you just don't ''get'' couplehood?

don't fake anything.. just be yourself..

and if that doesn't ''work'' you just haven't met your match is all..

NO BIG DEAL
05:21 PM on 09/09/2011
I definitely know exactly how you feel, because I am not slutty enough for South Florida!!! I am divorced, and dating a bit, and it seems like men and women forgot how to date!!! I went out for dinner and drinks with a new man, and he was visibly flinching because there were women waving and flagging him down while we were together! Talk about desperate!!! Sooo embarrassing...I'd rather hang out with friends or go somewhere quiet so we can get to know each other first!!!
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03:18 PM on 09/09/2011
I'm not sure why you'd want to jump into another exclusive, committed relationship after a divorce. Go out, have fun, meet people, do people for a while. Get the wanderlust out of your system beofre looking for the next permanent thing.
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11:35 AM on 09/09/2011
After repeating the dating/relationship/marriage process many times, I feel confident in saying that I would have no desire to at the very least, remarry if I found myself single again. I'm not even sure that I would have an interest in really dating anyone seriously. It's like that cliched definition of insanity... repeating the same actions expecting different results... everyone seems to be on their completely false best behavior for a while, then the hyper-criticism starts, the efforts to connect or make someone feel special become infinitely more rare and there you go. And as an FYI, I'm a guy that defies the stereotype... I'm more sensitive than my wife, I make efforts to engage her in romantic/couples activities, I communicate directly to a fault, and I'm a hopeless romantic... trips, dinners, concerts, plays... I'm intelligent, creative... go figure.

I'm down when/if it all comes crashing down THIS time... I'm just tired.
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01:31 PM on 09/09/2011
The best thing a person can do is learn to love and develop themselves. Because in the end... yer all ya got. Be you and the rest should be follow. Try to be someone else and indeed you will NOT be happy.
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Capn Scott
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11:46 PM on 09/09/2011
Sadly, it seems that many woman respond more favorably to the exact opposite of your behavior, which goes a long way toward explaining why many woman prefer "bad boys".
06:53 PM on 09/10/2011
People like drama. Especially women, and especially young women. Older women have learned what a waste of time it is. Women can have lots of conversations with family and friends about the bad boys - the ones who occasionally punch them or never show up for dates. The women who trail after these guys also lack self value.