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Protein vs. carbs: the great debate

Last updated: Tuesday, September 27, 2011 Print
 

 

A recent report of an interview with Sport Science Institute's Prof Tim Noakes quotes him as saying that 'everything we've been taught about nutrition is wrong'. DietDoc disagrees.

Protein vs. carbs: the great debate

Nutrition, like any other field of knowledge, is often rocked by controversies. While some may throw up their hands in horror, I find such differences of opinion refreshing and stimulating. Our knowledge would after all not expand, if no one ever challenges existing beliefs.

The professor’s opinion

A recent report of an interview with Prof Tim Noakes, doyen of the Sports Science Institute in Cape Town, which was published in the Southern Suburbs Tatler in August 2011, quotes Prof Noakes as saying that “Everything we have been taught about nutrition is wrong!” (Kotze, 2011)  In the interview, Prof Noakes basically said that nutrition recommendations stating that carbohydrates should form the basis of the human diet (an approach which he too supported and wrote about until recently), are responsible for the obesity epidemic and many of the degenerative diseases that plague mankind.

In addition to blaming the current nutrition fraternity for propagating the wrong messages to the public, food technologists for producing the offending foods, and the pharmaceutical industry for cashing in on fixing the diseases thus created, Prof Noakes states that, “Prior to World War 2 people ate a high protein diet and were healthier for it. We can trace the increase of disease and obesity to the introduction of flour, sugar and processed foods into our diet.”(Kotze, 2011).

Prof Noakes advocates drastic changes and suggests that everyone should read books such as Good Calories, Bad Calories by Gary Taubes or The Dukan Diet by Dr Pierre Dukan, that sportsmen and women should stop using energy drinks or fruit juice, and switch over to drinking tap water, and that we should all start eating proteins big time (Kotze, 2011).

The reaction

Needless to say, these rather drastic pronouncements by Prof Noakes, have resulted in a lively exchange of ideas. Nick Starke (2011), one of SA’s leading food technologists, has come to the defence of food technology. He points out that unless you grow your own food, slaughter your own livestock and catch your own fish, modern humans are reliant on the techniques and processes developed by the skills of the aforementioned maligned food technologists to preserve and distribute foods grown or produced further afield than your back garden.

It would be fascinating to see what would happen to the world if all food processing shut down for just one month. You would not be able to pop over to your local supermarket to buy your food supplies, starvation, which is already rife, would affect more and more people, vast quantities of good food would rot before it could reach us and the world as we know it would probably come to a grinding halt. This would probably reduce the world’s population and lower average life expectancy dramatically. An apocalyptic scenario which is too horrid to contemplate.

What would such a changeover entail?

As a nutritionist, I would also be interested to see what the good Professor’s suggestions that we switch from eating carbohydrates like grains and cereals to proteins and fats, would have on health and the world in general. I can’t figure out how Prof Noakes concluded that our recent ancestors in the pre-World War 2 period ate a diet high in protein. Protein foods such as meat, fish, eggs, milk and dairy have always been luxury foods, mainly accessible to the upper classes (the ones portrayed as roly-polies with gout!).

I do agree that in past centuries indigenous populations in Africa, America, Australia and other parts of the globe ate unrefined diets consisting mainly of wholegrains, roots, wild fruits and vegetables, together with small quantities of meat, some sour milk, and fermented drinks such as sorghum and millet beer. These populations had a low incidence of degenerative diseases and obesity, but their ‘caveman-type diets’ were also low in fat and meat was a luxury. The Masai and Inuit (cited by Prof Noakes as examples of healthy populations existing exclusively on protein foods), who previously survived on milk and meat, or fish and seals, respectively, also did a great deal of physical exercise which is one factor that has disappeared from our modern world. Old age, which permits us the dubious "luxury" of developing degenerative diseases such as diabetes and hypertension, heart disease and cancer, was also rare and on average, few of our ancestors survived beyond the age of 40 in the 1800s or 50 in the 1900s (Wiki-Answers, 2011).

I too am an advocate of drinking water, but given the disastrous situation at most of our sewage plants in SA, our polluted rivers and springs, acid mine water runoff, contamination of our water supplies by hormone disruptors derived from pesticide residues and female hormones thanks to contraception and HRT, and the prediction that future wars will no longer be fought over ideals, but the dwindling water supply of our planet, I am worried that it will soon no longer be safe or feasible to drink water that has not been processed.

Is it possible?

If Prof Noakes is correct and the human race needs to change from eating grains and cereals to eating meat and fish, then we face a great dilemma which has nothing to do with nutrition, and everything to do with other factors such as production capacity, global warming and the population explosion. Let’s say the 2011 census finds that South Africa has a population of 50 million people and 50% of these people are adults and every adult needs to eat at least 100 g of meat or fish a day. This would translate into a total requirement of 2,500 metric tons of these protein foods per day and 912,500 metric tons per annum.

According to a SA Agricultural Baseline report, published by the Bureau for Food and Agricultural Policy in 2009, South Africa produced 859 tons of beef and veal, 164 tons of mutton and lamb, 208 tons of pork and 1,421 tons of chicken in 2007-2008, thus a total of 2,652 tons of ‘meat’ per annum, not all of which was consumed locally, but also exported to other countries. No figures for fish production are available (BFAP, 2009).

If we look at these figures, and consider the crisis our meat producers find themselves in having suffered a loss of R4 billion (Gosling, 2011), the empty over-fished oceans and climate change that is transforming once verdant pastures into barren deserts, then I wonder where the additional 909,848 tons of animal protein per annum are supposed to come from?

So even if international nutrition bodies such as the World Health Organisation take heed of Prof Noakes’ call for us to switch to an animal protein-based diet, there is no way that any, but an elite few, will be able to put this recommendation into practice. The way things are going, we humans will anyway soon all be reliant on microorganisms to produce our food supplies à la Soylent Green!

The balanced approach

In view of the impossibility of changing our present day diets to a high animal protein intake, perhaps the approach of the nutrition and dietetic fraternity is not so stupid after all. The basis of our approach is to encourage the populations of the world to eat a varied diet that includes all the food groups (proteins, carbohydrates and fats) within the constraints of their budgets and locally availability, and not to overdo any one type of food, to do regular exercise and above all to strive for moderation. 

Could this be a case of “Let them eat meat!” instead of “Let them eat cake!”? And we all know what happened to Queen Marie Antoinette after making the latter pronouncement!

(Dr IV van Heerden, DietDoc, September 2011)

References:

(BFAP 2009. The SA Agricultural Baseline 2009. Bureau for Food & Agricultural Policy. www.bfap.co.za ;  Gosling M, 2011.R4bn loss. melanie.gosling@inl.co.za; Kotze K, 2011. Everything we have been taught about nutrition is wrong, says professor. Southern Suburbs Tatler, August 18 2011, p. 23; Starke A N, 2011. Letter to the Editor of the Southern Suburbs Tatler, 19 August 2011; Wiki-Answers, 2011. www.wiki.answers.com )


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Stephen 2011/09/28 Comment #1

Your argument is flawed

You quote Prof Nokes as advocating a high protein diet &  then make the assumption that you can only get protein from animals. You base your argument on this assumption, however you must be aware of plant-based proteins, which I and a considerable vegetarian population in the world consume daily.

I agree that all water consumed should be purified but water scarcity is affected by water used in energy drinks and used for farming fruit and then diluting it.

I'm sure you can do better Doc.

Food Lover 2011/09/28 Comment #2

True to words

I agree with the doc  the populations weight and health changed when processed and more carbohydrates entered our lives. Your argument about African People doing well on grains is true  but have you considered that perhaps caucsians that come from Europe where grains grew seasonally and we hunted for our meat and ate it more fits us better. We cannot create a lifesyle based on one gene type. The crux of it all is that we all need a balance, we need to start listening to our bodies needs.

jka 2011/09/28 Comment #3

agree with Stephen

Once again DietDoc conflates a specific nutrient (in the case a set of nutrients proteins, made up of amino acids) with a type of food (meat). There are plenty of more sustainable plant-based sources of proteins available. Grains are not the only alternative - root/ground veggies?

Nice to see DietDoc recognises a very real risk in our food system, though - we should all be growing our own &  eating as low down on the trophic level as possible if we are to avoid a global food security crisis

jka 2011/09/28 Comment #4

DietDoc's corporate sponsors...

DietDoc's involvement with ADSA which is sponsored by Keloggs, Bokomo, Unliver, Parmalat etc (-|-//www.adsa.org.za/) makes it quite clear why she might repeatedly defend dairy and grains...

Susie 2011/09/28 Comment #5

Duh!

Since when is the fact that carbs are bad a new concept? I dont understand what is so groundbreaking about this? Anyone in this modern age with access to a TV or internet knows very well that carbs are fattening and must be eaten in moderation. We're also well aware that proteins are good for you - there are countless diets which encourage people to eat nothing but proteins (not that that is right).
Most diets now recommend lean proteins, fruits and veggies, with very few carbs and sugars. Duh!

Ron 2011/09/28 Comment #6

incorrect production figures

I'm quite disappointed that you misread the production figures by a factor of 1000 when quoting the BFA policy - SA is in actual fact a net exporter of meat. Makes one wonder about the accuracy of the rest of the article

Sauron Smit 2011/09/28 Comment #7

The evidence is out there

Here's a simple survey: think of the countries with the most healthy people. I will pick Japan, China and Germany, for argument's sake. What do these peopel eat, and how much do they exercise?

The japanese are all about soya, lean meat, rice and green vegetables. I believe the chinese are the same. I'm not sure about Germany, but I'll know when I do the research.

It is then simply a case of monkey see, monkey do.

Fandash 2011/09/28 Comment #8

DOES NOT ADD UP

The figures given for meat produced just does not add up. 859 Tons of beef at 150kgs per animal equates to 5727 animals slaughtered, for an average of 15.7 animals per day for the whole country. Please use accurate stats when putting forward an argument. Further, protein is not only derived from meat. I agree with Prof Noakes. Fruit juice is riddled with sugar. Moderation in everything is the key to good health. Very skewed article indeed.

Hanlie Walker 2011/09/28 Comment #9

The scientific proof is there

People took hundreds of years to convince that the earth is round ... I hope that eventually the low carb argument will be accepted too.

Umfubi 2011/09/28 Comment #10

What's the argument?

I would love to see Dietdoc's NUTRITIONAL argument against Dr Noakes' postulation. Refuting this theory by saying that the world's dietary needs could not be met if the emphasis lay on protein rather than carbs is irrelevant - it may well be true, but it does nothing to confirm or refute the nutritional science involved.

This isn't about economics or food production, it's about health - let's see what you have to say about that!

Augustine 2011/09/28 Comment #11

BNW

" Food technologist." 

What a disturbing term. Such is the Brave New World.

Verimius 2011/09/28 Comment #12

Error in SA meat production statistics

Dr van Heerden has made a serious mistake in his reading of South African meat production statistics. The 2011 Bureau for Food and Agricultural Policy, Agricultural Outlook Report, figure 35, predicts 2011 South Africa beef production to be about 650,000 tons. Figure 33 shows chicken production at about 1.4 million tons. The same report says there are tens of thousands of tons of lamb and pork also produced.

So, South Africa already produces way more than the 909,848 the doctor wonders about.

Sugar 2011/09/29 Comment #13

Tim Noakes

Tim Noakes has woken up. the West is getting more obese all the time, and what is the stape food there? Wheat. Think about it. In the East, where rice is the stapel, broadly speaking, we have more slender and petite people. It might be genetaic, ir it might be that eating refined wheat 2-3 times a day is bloating the Westerners... bread, hamburgers, doughnuts, pap...

Sugar 2011/09/29 Comment #14

Sugar 2011/09/29 Comment #15

Tim Noakes

Sorry, pap is made from maize, which is also fattening though more digestible.

Antony 2011/09/29 Comment #16

Stupid article

Seriously health24, please remove this absolute joke of an article. The " Dr."  has gotten her facts on south africa's meat production wrong by a factor of 1000! I would suggest a basic graph reading course before allowing her to post anything else in future.

At 100g of meat protein per person per day, SA already produces vastly more than the 909,848 metric tons required, never mind that we can also get our protein from plant based sources.

I'm absolutely gobsmacked by the articles " facts" .

Umfubi 2011/09/29 Comment #17

Meat 'facts'

The irony about the 'meat facts' is that they are in any case irrelevant - the Dr is a diet doctor, not an economist.

Tell us the DIETARY facts about protein vs carb consumption as advocated by Dr Noakes. Leave the logistics out of it.

Naas 2011/09/29 Comment #18

eating low-carb vs " rys-vleis-en-artappels" 

Prof Noakes is absolutely correct.
Research has proved that since people started to eat a diet consisting of predominantly refined flours and sugars, illnesses such as diabetes, high cholesterol, arthritis, obesity and other modern scourges of society prolifirated. Read Atkins' book. He cites numerous evidence of scientific research in support of a low-carb way of eating. Excessive carbo's kill and that's a fact. Prof Noakes, keep up the good work.

Billy 2011/09/29 Comment #19

@Stephen

To be fair to the Diet Doc, Prof. Noakes does recommend reading two books that asks followers to eat any amount of meat, eggs, cheese. These are the staple foods of these low carb diets. I am not saying it can't be adapted, it's just the way the diets are presented.

Donald 2011/10/03 Comment #20

Prof Noakes v DietDoc

I like Prof Noakes. He exudes knowledge and understanding derived from his vast experience in nutrition and exercise. It is to his great credit that he has changed his view on diet and espouses less carbs and more protein. It is totally clear that the Western Diet forced on us by the likes of the Americans and DietDoc is a failure. High dependence on grains sugars and cooking oil has lead to an obesity tidal wave. We desperately need a change in our diets. For credibility Pro Noakes 10 DietDoc 0

Rudy 2011/10/03 Comment #21

Protein vs. carbs

Prof. Noakes is a highly respected A rated scientist, whose research has been published in top scientific journals. DietDoc writes for health24. Who is more credible between the two?

 
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