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Moderating Policies

Posted Oct. 30, 2011, 10:51 a.m. EST (1 day ago) by (Laval, QC)

So, we've been reviewing moderation policies and I figure this might as well be posted clearly.

The following will not be tolerated:

  • Bigotry; this is a wide subject, and gratuitous use of sexist, racist, homophobic, ableist, etc insults also falls under this subject. Posts will be moderated, repeat offenders will be considered for bans.
  • Violent threats, again, same principle.
  • Conspiracy theories, including any attempt to spam material by David Icke, Lyndon LaRouche, David Duke or Alex Jones, will be removed immediately and the spammer will be immediately banned.
  • Fascist propaganda (including any attempt to spam these four people again), will be treated with the similar actions. In that we are very specific about what fascism is: the word has a meaning.
  • No content post, off topic posts, etc, will be moderated and removed. Repeat posting of the same off topic posts and spamming of links that have nothing to do with the subject at hand (case in point the Dylan bullshit) will be banned outright. Similarly posters who constantly post off-topic nonsense are straddling the line very close to a ban.
  • We do not support an election campaign for 2012. At all. We have removed election material for Obama, Paul, Warren, Paul, Cain, Paul, Perry, Paul, the green party, Paul, Nader, Paul, and did I mention Paul? The spamming by the Ron Lawl 2012 fan club was getting out of hand. We will continue to remove such material and any call for the Paul 2012 campaign will, at this point, be considered spamming. End of. We're tired of hearing about it. Main street debates are also largely off topic.
  • Red baiting will be moderated, as this is not 1952 and we are able to debate ideas without insulting anyone even slightly to the left as though they were Stalin reborn.
  • Trolling will be squashed whenever possible/reported/found out.
  • Posting people's personal information on the website is prohibited.
  • The continuous spamming of lies from various sources (like the non story about turning away the homeless, which was, as mentioned, a lie, or the mythical 500,000$, which a) doesn't exist, as our donate page can attest, and b) the 300,000$ account is being used constantly to pay for food, equipment, etc. (already on top of helping other occupations with more difficulty fundraising) will fall under spamming.

Any abuse should be emailed to abuse@occupywallst.org

173 Comments

173 Comments


jph 5 points 17 hours ago

Great! thanks for this,. . I saw the Ronny P. folks downright ambush Alec Baldwin when he was just checking out the occupation it was pathetic,. we loose support when these knuckle-heads ram the one political agenda point they have at everyone,. . glad to see that gone form the forum.

GreedKills 2 points 2 hours ago

Plus they edit their videos like Breitbart to make it look as if the person they interview agrees with their agenda. SMH!!!

Democracydriven 4 points 20 hours ago

Outstanding, Let's remove the distractions and talk about "the movement" pros and cons etc.

Let's talk about ways to spread the word and support

fishlegs 3 points 14 hours ago

fantastic. post this at top and weed out all posts that fall into this of which there are several right now.

biggeral 2 points 13 hours ago

"The business of America is business." Thus, supposedly, spoke Calvin Coolidge in 1925. Whether or not President Coolidge meant it as starkly as stated above, this is the mantra that the American 1% appears to have adopted and have promulgated through much of our governmental apparatus.

This must change.

The business of America is the people of America. To the extent that business contributes to the prosperity and well-being of the people of America, then business should be supported and promoted. BUT, when business becomes harmful to the people of America, then business must be reined in. That monitoring and control should be the role of our government. Let's work to make it so.

number2 2 points 15 hours ago

what about blue baiting? I've seen quite a bit of trashing libertarians here as well.

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 1 points 15 hours ago

I guess we can live above name-calling in general.

bensdad 2 points 16 hours ago

i think this is very fair and well thought out -

and is a perfect example of what a leader can do and should do -

and why we need one

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 4 points 13 hours ago

That was actually decided by collective input, not by one person. Nice try.

ivotetoo 2 points 17 hours ago

I support you 110 %!!!! But after hearing today that both Chevron and Exxon-Mobil had posted 3rd quarter profits of 41%, I thought that we should also consider boycotts and divestiture. Think about where your money - if any - is invested. And think seriously about what you buy, where you shop and what you drive and use for energy. all my love and support to all of us!!!!

me2 2 points 17 hours ago

Hooray I want to see more about building direct democracy prototypical communities including (especially including) online.

shwe 1 points 14 hours ago

The direct democracy might not be fair in all cases.

For example, your belief may put you in majority now. In future, people may change their belief and you are not. You may be punished by majority.

Direct domocracy back by scienctific methods and facts may prevent crisis such as peoples belives you are a witch and burn you alive. In some country it is still occuring.

me2 1 points 5 hours ago

Instant runoff voting and voting directly for legislation, not people. No more candidate promised x but delivered y once in office. Legislation written the way open source software is written, or a Wikipedia article is written, following the same model.

shwe 1 points 3 hours ago

The candidate promised x but delivered y, should be considered case by case. If "y" cause major problem for majority, he/she should be recalled.

shwe 1 points 3 hours ago

One of the current system's problem is package deal. A candidate have so many issues. You may not accept all the issues. Once you choose the person, good and bad come together.

We need a system to eliminate the bad things from the candidates who win the elections based on a scientific method (feedback,recall,whatever you named it).

The model you mention "open source software","wikipedia", they are same as current systems. How many percentage of people who edit the article and the people who read the article.

me2 1 points 3 hours ago

The point is, anyone can contribute. Which is most certainly not anything like the current system.

shwe 1 points 2 hours ago

I agree. Everyone should have equal chance to contribute.

Let say issed "x" and "y" are opposite. Today, one person overwrite "x", tommorow, another person overwrite "y", the next day, the another person overwrite "x" again. When will this cycle end?

Let take a look at a process of fighting a crime (a sciencetific process). There is a crime in your neighbour hood (an error occur during the scienctific test). Only few people aware that.

Same crime occur again and again(an error occur again and again). Police issue public awareness about the crime. Public aware the crime and feed back all the suspicious activities to police.(all the persons give the suggestions to fix the test procedure to elimate the error)

Police catch the criminal/s and no more same crime. Peace is restored to the neighbour. (fix the cause of error, get the reliable result.)

me2 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm talking about drafting legislation so your example doesn't quite fit for me, but as for the "endless cycle," look at how it works in Wikipedia, and how it works with the open source development cycle. Drafting legislation would need to have aspects of both, with the concept of "golden versions," "trunks and branches," "release cycles," etc. It actually could be quite resilient.

When Wikipedia was first started it was chaotic, and the reliability of the content suffered. Controls were put in place to address the chaos without sacrificing the underlying process. Open Source software development is similar.

What would happen in your simple example -- Some would write document "X" and some would write document "Y," if they were exact opposite they would not overwrite each other.

When finished versions were prepared they would be voted on by the populace for adoption.

shwe 1 points 2 hours ago
nickhowdy 2 points 18 hours ago

I understand the need for moderation, but let's not get to overboard on limiting free speech..Things that people have in the past labeled as conspiracy theory have actually wound up to be actual conspiracy. We should all be here to learn from each other..Can we do that?

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 3 points 18 hours ago

That's why I'm sort of specific; trutherism is pretty high on the list as a ridiculous (and often bordering on antisemitic) red herring, birtherism is a racist red herring made up by people who are afraid that criticizing a real president is unpatriotic (honestly, every president since at least Nixon has enough crap on his hands to not require making shit up), Icke is basically Mr Lizardman, David "jews everywhere in my white country!!!" Duke is obvious, and LaRouche and Jones are on the list mostly as violent fascists (admittedly LaRouche used to be a violent maoist before his 180 to the right, but he was still full of shit then, and I say this as someone who is on the left :p )

nickhowdy 0 points 16 hours ago

Look as far as the 9/11 truthers are concerned...I put the government story on the long list of 9/11 Conspiracy Theories also. As one who works for an agency heavily involved with the issues of that day..Something was very very wrong on 9/11...Again nothing provable..Lot's of folks were sitting on their hands that day and beforehand...I look at the aftermath and beneficiaries and it truly leaves me wondering...

Birthers: Even if there was anything to it, it's too late now...I'm no fan of any politician including this President..Because none of them are doing what is in the interest of "The people". Yes I voted for him, what choice did I have.

What exactly makes Alex Jones a fascist..I'm not sure..You like him or don't and I'm not exactly a fan...I try not to look at the messenger so much as the message...

I try not to delve in the left or right either, I'm more an up/down person...I realize that the issues this country is facing have developed over about 40yrs and all parties and the extremists on the left and right are all culpable. I voted for Clinton and he is the one along with a Republican Congress that passed NAFTA, Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000 and Gram-Leach-Bliley...So I have no faith in this system at all...

We have to begin again...

alouis (New York, NY) 1 points 9 hours ago

Good point. The official version of the events of 9/11 is a conspiracy theory (an unproven one at that).

looselyhuman 1 points 16 hours ago

Jones is definitely a (crypto)fascist a la Beck. There's more to it (an intangible) but I tried to at least touch on my reasoning here: http://occupywallst.org/forum/moderating-policies-will-be-reposted-somewhere-pro/#comment-244817

nickhowdy 0 points 16 hours ago

I can't say that Jones is anything other than someone making a buck off of conspiracy and conspiracy theory...With the Vatican making a push for World Government http://vodpod.com/watch/15621194-occupy-vatican the NWO conspiracy "theories" are looking more like real conspiracy. I don't know what they do at those Bilderburger but I'm sure it's not knitting.

looselyhuman 2 points 15 hours ago

Oh come on that's just a sentimental social justice idea from the Catholic bleeding hearts that see a whole lot of suffering in the world. Nobody sane takes it seriously in terms of actually happening.

nickhowdy 0 points 15 hours ago

The Vatican isn't in this thing for social justice and you may know some Catholics with bleeding hearts but the ones in control at the Vatican may be absent of that particular organ. Do you know the Vatican has it's own bank and is an independent state inside of Italy...I see the Vatican as just another place of power. I used to be a Catholic...No more. As for sanity, I don't see much of it lately from our supposed leaders. They are very busy driving the world into a ditch..I can't really describe this as a sane action...Believe it or not we have some very crazy people in positions of power..The NWO isn't anything except ensuring that the people in power stay there and you are a wage slave/indentured servant. Look at our country..Lot's of wage/debt slaves...

alouis (New York, NY) 1 points 9 hours ago

Jones is a right winger, you could say fascist, who like many of them, points to a lot of what is reality to get credibility. A lot of the left is either bought off by grants, intimidated, or misled into fleeing certain relevant matters, (a shame) like the fact that 9/11 changed everything, we are living in it's wake and what actually happened on that day matters.

SkyOne1111 1 points 10 hours ago

Overboard is right!

CapitalismRulesPeriod 2 points 18 hours ago

i don't agree with removing opposite opinions but at least you are moderating now. there was some really stupid crap showing up on this site.

rockyracoon 0 points 17 hours ago

stupid to u may be important to someone else we need to try to be respectful of everyone, letting them say what they believe this is true community eventually things go where they go, with others sharing with interest or not, then it fades... things need to breathe freely

CapitalismRulesPeriod 2 points 17 hours ago

when i say stupid crap I mean like just random insults made into a post

SkyOne1111 1 points 10 hours ago

This forum is no different than biased Fox News. We should be permitted to post what we want, and if we want to say we think a certain candidate may be the answer to some of the problems of today, then we should be able to say it. Screw this forum.

MattLHolck 0 points 10 hours ago

nbc stuff I just say was terrifying

rockyracoon 2 points 18 hours ago

it's important to be able to discuss about 911. these lies and ensuing fake war on terror and deep politics are much to do with our current situation.

alouis (New York, NY) 1 points 9 hours ago

This seems to be the great divide. Which 9/11 conspiracy do you endorse? The one with the Arab in the cave in Afghanistan or the one that asks "where the hell was the US Airforce?" Are the events of that day worth thinking about? Talking about? Relevant to our plight?

dsthomas 2 points 20 hours ago

We need concise strategic statments of the the problem and what we want in order to move forward. May I suggest the problem be defined as; Reckless Big Finance and Partisan Gridlock, and what we want; Fairness, Equity and Opportunity.

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 2 points 18 hours ago

I might be interested but I'm not sure I understand Buzzword English >.> give it a go in American vernacular?

logic (Blairstown, NJ) 2 points 22 hours ago

What is 'on topic' ?

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 0 points 22 hours ago

Occupy wall street, media, aims, etc.

It can be pretty vast.

thebeastchasingitstail 1 points 21 hours ago

So we shouldn't debate presidential candidates at all, or is it just spamming for them that isn't allowed?

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 1 points 21 hours ago

Within reason, but threads to push for the election of someone are spam.

RonK 1 points 40 minutes ago

SEMPER FI TO SCOTT OLSEN from a viet vet................and for all freedom loving vets - in case you missed this bit of news......demonstrating the appreciation of our elected and appointed officials..................................

"Homeland Security Classifies Returning US Veterans as Potential Terrorist Threat"

found at this site: http://americaswatchtower.com/2009/04/14/homeland-security-classifies-returning-us-veterans-as-potential-terrorist-threat/

what's next?

TechJunkie (Miami Beach, FL) 1 points 2 hours ago

According to these rules, citing this Wall Street Journal article regarding the $500,000 in donations would not be allowed? This dissenting citation would be labeled "spam" and censored?

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203687504577000320434317092.html?mod=e2tw

thebeastchasingitstail 1 points 1 hour ago

What's dissenting about it? The amount? They say "nearly $500,000 " just like every other news article did.

"Nearly" could very well be 300K, but whenever anyone quotes the article over here they drop the "nearly" just like you did.

GreedKills 1 points 2 hours ago

Thank you!!!

crevo 1 points 5 hours ago

so am i sounding too much like lyndon larouche or david duke if i say we should stop funding israel and bring our soldiers back home so we can save money and stop these budget cuts?

crevo 1 points 5 hours ago

so am i sounding too much like lyndon larouche or david duke if i say we should stop funding israel and bring our soldiers back home so we can save money and stop these budget cuts?

crevo 1 points 5 hours ago

so am i sounding too much like lyndon larouche or david duke if i say we should stop funding israel and bring our soldiers back home so we can save money and stop these budget cuts?

MaxRommel (Ridgefield Park, NJ) 1 points 5 hours ago

Ok. I'm in.

maurice 1 points 9 hours ago

finally, this forum can be a place for constructive conversation about the movement

Philpux (Mountain View, AR) 1 points 10 hours ago

I feel as though you are saying that you can ban any post or comment for any reason that you consider to be off topic. This hurts my feelings whaaa! Seriously, the movement has yet to declare a specific message. Give us a break. How can we really know what is off topic, when the topic has never been clearly defined. If that is the way you want to play it, that's cool, but don't taze me bro. I'm doing the work. I'm not a slacker. I'm trying.

SkyOne1111 1 points 10 hours ago

The fact that you keep removing my posts is enough to make me stop supporting OWS. I certainly won't be donating any more funds online through this site.

MattLHolck 1 points 10 hours ago

donate locally if possible

SkyOne1111 1 points 10 hours ago

Your rules are a bit extreme. What happened to freedom of speech? Too much censorship going on in this uptight forum. And programming the post to automatically convert Paul to Lawl?? Outlandish! I was looking forward to contributing to this forum, but not now. I'm not going to waste my time.

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 1 points 5 hours ago

Paul to Lawl was mostly a reaction to the sheer magnitude of spam we got from his fanclub.

Joeschmoe1000 1 points 5 hours ago

The actions taken draw more attention to the issue than the spammers did

Ron Lawl

hchc (Tampa, FL) 1 points 5 hours ago

Bingo.

MattLHolck 1 points 10 hours ago

say

The rules are a bit extreme.

bethlany88 (Vancouver, WA) 1 points 12 hours ago

Ya know, I think this does kinda infringe upon freedom of speech and I am an avid OWS supporter. I also feel some mods will and DO abuse their power. Why not just make a page where all mods can move what they deem abusive or otherwise against these rules to its own page where people can still view them if they so chose. FREEDOM of choice. FREEDOM of speech, yet keeping the main page for the majority whom you feel prefer such regulations????

Pitch22 1 points 12 hours ago

BUSINESS OCTOBER 31, 2011

A Very Rich Adieu for Nabors CEO By MARK MAREMONT

In one of the largest executive paydays in recent years, Nabors Industries Ltd. is giving its chairman $100 million in cash in a severance-style deal, even though he isn't leaving the company. NABORSPAY NABORSPAY Nabors Industries/Associated Press

Nabors Industries Chairman Eugene Isenberg [NABORSPAY]

Eugene M. Isenberg, 81 years old, had been chairman and chief executive of the oil-drilling company since 1987. Late Friday afternoon, Nabors said it was promoting his longtime lieutenant, 57-year-old Anthony G. Petrello, to CEO, but that Mr. Isenberg would keep his job as chairman.

The shift triggered a clause in Mr. Isenberg's employment contract, entitling him to a payment of $100 million "as a result of this change in responsibility," Nabors said in a regulatory filing.

The payment exceeds the Bermuda-registered company's third-quarter net income, which was $74.3 million on revenue of $1.66 billion.

By comparison, the highest-paid executive in the U.S. last year, according to a Wall Street Journal survey published in May, was Viacom Inc. CEO Philippe P. Dauman, whose 2010 compensation was valued at around $84.3 million. Of that, Mr. Dauman received $13.9 million in cash; much of the rest came in one-time stock and option awards tied to a contract renewal.

A Nabors spokesman declined to comment beyond Friday's filing.

A clause in Mr. Isenberg's contract, which was scaled back in 2009 after shareholders objected to an even-richer exit deal, called for the $100 million payout in the event of his death or disability, or under various termination scenarios, including "constructive termination without cause." That is defined as, among other things, his removal as either CEO or chairman.

Disgruntled1 (Ephrata, PA) 1 points 12 hours ago

Its about time,

Dalton 1 points 13 hours ago

Any chance we could have some non-awful forum software as well? phpBB is free, open-source, has a GPL, and best of all was not made during the Late Neolithic Era out of rocks.

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 1 points 13 hours ago

er... this forum software is AGPL, currently being developed, and is not written in PHP, a language conceived during the neolithic to begin with.

It will improve over time, we're ironing out bugs.

Dalton 1 points 13 hours ago

I don't like PHP either, but there is some good software written in it. phpBB being an example.

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 1 points 4 hours ago

We've had this debate internally already, tbh, and it was mostly rejected for the same reason wordpress was, namely security issues; we all know a bit of php, the problem is it basically takes dark magic to do solid security in PHP and none of us are quite there.

RichardGates (Fort Walton Beach, FL) 1 points 4 hours ago

as long as you scrub the data and don't use sql, php is very safe.

BenJamin 1 points 14 hours ago

To sum things up for everyone, well let me see I can do that in one word; REVOLUTION!

BenJamin 1 points 14 hours ago

“One man with courage is a majority,” Thomas Jefferson

BenJamin 1 points 14 hours ago

“Disobedience to tyrants is Obedience to God.” -Benjamin Franklin.

wtpap 1 points 15 hours ago

Freedom of speech is not completely free. If it is against human rights, it is not allowed.

However, even in mainstream popular ideologies, there are some groups whose beliefs are obviously against human rights. That should not be allowed in this forum. The usual example is survival of the fittest(or richest).

harribones (Queensbury, NY) 1 points 15 hours ago

Greed

Greed- one of the original seven sins. That’s how it’s always been taught. Very common today, take more than what’s needed without even a thought. Professionals, politicians, CEOs; just how do they sleep at night? Creating poverty, causing many to wage an unwinnable fight. After a life of taking from others, forever sealing peoples fates. When it’s time to meet their maker, can and will they get past the pearly gates. Corporate America’s desire for profit; noble ideas indeed! By not rewarding those who helped achieve, no chance for the poor to succeed. Masses toil to provide for family; to enjoy the fruits of labor. Breadwinners inability to do just that, bitter pills to savor. Sinful is the concept of using others to gain what you have not got. Hopefully there’s no heavenly entry, only a hotter place to rot!

SonicGuppy 1 points 16 hours ago

The Fredo sons and daughters who generally "take over" popular movements. By ratting out their "others" and setting them up. Creating popularity contests inside their groups,scenes as killboxes. Lenin, Mao etc. History is full of these. Revolution means? Change for the same not before the very same people who are used for these situations suffer either way. THIS HAS TO END.

MJMorrow 1 points 16 hours ago

Thank you very much. S! MJ

SonicGuppy 1 points 16 hours ago

Point out the farce that is the "2 party system" a two winged Fascist beast that feeds into and off of mythology. Lose the '60's styled calls for "Revolution" as Revolution is when the Fredo sons and daughters of the 1% are allowed to run wild at everyone else's expense.

rockyracoon 1 points 17 hours ago

it's like ur trying to placate some entity. win their approval or garner their support. this isn't healthy. all of us need to be able to express ourselves however we feel, not trying to appease someone like media or whatever ur trying to appease by setting up these lame rules.

rockyracoon 1 points 18 hours ago

remember this is a leaderless revolution we the people freedom of speech!!!

rockyracoon 1 points 18 hours ago

yes open is important what does conspiracy have to do with anything it's a media lable let user discuss what ever they want!

AbolishCapitalism 1 points 19 hours ago

'Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number - Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you - Ye are many - they are few.'

AbolishCapitalism 1 points 19 hours ago

'Rise like Lions after slumber In unvanquishable number - Shake your chains to earth like dew Which in sleep had fallen on you - Ye are many - they are few.'

seeker 1 points 20 hours ago

I don't get it..You are selecting certain media for censorship..Alex Jones and David icke??? And then putting them in a sentence as fascist propaganda ????

These two people have done more to warn the world about fascism than any one..

You are making a serious mistake to sensor the news..If you are refusing the right to talk to any one your movement will fail..I am very sorry to say

looselyhuman 3 points 17 hours ago

Alex Jones practices projection, a lot like Glenn Beck with Nazis. It's the practice of pointing out in others what you yourself represent. It's a way to deflect the criticism.

Let's look at some tidbits:

  • Demagogue that speaks the language of violence and domination
  • Ultra-nationalist
  • Homophobe
  • Anti-immigrant nativist
  • Does anyone not know that NWO is code for "vast Jewish conspiracy?"

"Because there's a war on for your mind." Do listeners believe that Alex is a bystander, or is he perhaps the one trying to capture your headspace?

He's also big on conflating all the "isms." From his corner of the world you get the thinking (adopted by Glenn Beck and others) that socialism, communism, and fascism are all the same thing, and that all three are the goal of the NWO elite. This sure makes it hard to point out that he's actually the fascist. Another deflection tactic - intentionally muddying the waters he swims in.

David Icke is definitely a dangerous, anti-semitic fascist, just itching for world war. I don't even have to defend that one.

seeker 1 points 4 hours ago

You should be free to disagree..And debate..This is my point.. And i am free to disagree with you.

But free to sensor????? That Bastardises every thing the occupy movement is about..

Anti Semitic fascist David Icke ..Sorry dude you must be tripping..there are loads of jews who support him..Lmao

looselyhuman 1 points 2 hours ago

See the last item on this page:

http://www.adl.org/terrorism_america/saying_100101.asp

Notice the site.

If you don't understand that all the codewords for the elite translate to "Jews" then you should get out more. Others in history have blamed a cabal of Jewish bankers for all the world's problems. Think about it.

seeker 1 points 1 hour ago

Its the ADL site FFS...They have had a smear campaign out against him for years..

David makes a great point in pointing out he has nothing against jews...

So are you saying any thing the ADL say we should censure we should?????????? In fact how can you justify censoring anything????

nomorewarnomore 0 points 20 hours ago

Couldnt agree more,is this why a new investigation of 9/11 never made the list of demands?

koloneci 1 points 22 hours ago

What about commercializing? I have seen several posts outright trying to advertize a product to sell?

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 0 points 22 hours ago

This is spam.

MattLHolck -1 points 22 hours ago

I might get a harmonica

seeker 1 points 1 day ago

This forum needs some openness and transparency for any critical thinker to support it.

rockyracoon 1 points 17 hours ago

amen

owstag 1 points 1 day ago

Most of these proposals are good, but some could be easily exploited to censor legitimate dissent. For example, what would constitute bannable 'red-baiting' in an online forum? The fact is some awfully silly things are said in this forum, some of which is downright Stalinist, and such people should be called out. I suspect this 'no red bating' rule would be used by overzealous mods to censor / ban posts they just don't like.

Also, how do you define 'trolling'? To some, any bit of sarcasm/ironic humor is deemed 'trolling'; this also needs to be clearly defined.

Another thing that ought to be clearly defined is what constitute 'fascist propaganda'; frivolous accusations of 'fascism' abound on the left.

Speaking of the Lawl bit, what is the deal with the words "Ron Lawl" being turned into "Ron Lawl"? I'm no Ron Lawl fan mind you, but that was not external spamming, it was clearly something done by the people running this site. That's just wrong. [What's the obsession with Paul anyway?]

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 0 points 1 day ago

Fun fact: referencing Marx is not Stalinism.

owstag 4 points 1 day ago

Funner fact: I never said referencing Marx is Stalinism. You're already proving my point. You're a mod? God help us.

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) -4 points 1 day ago

I haven't removed your post, have I?

owstag 3 points 1 day ago

It's not particularly magnanimous to refrain from deleting a civil post simply asking that the proposals be clarified. Can these proposals be clarified as requested? Also, what is the deal with turning 'Paul' into 'Lawl'? That's just wrong.

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 1 points 1 day ago

Paul into Lawl was an admin's reaction to the constant spam. That said, fine. The thing is, if it's really bad, chances are it falls under threats of violence.

owstag 0 points 1 day ago

Thanks. I would agree that threats of violence, racism/blatant bigotry; those are good, clear boundaries people should reasonably be expected to respect.

MattLHolck -1 points 21 hours ago

fascism = roman's for roman rule

it's a severe form of Nationalism

MattLHolck -2 points 21 hours ago

ron lawl is administrative trolling

ArrestAllCEOS 0 points 2 hours ago

How about communist propaganda? Why only fascist propaganda?

BenJamin 0 points 14 hours ago

PORTLAND, Ore.— Dozens of anti-Wall Street protesters were arrested Sunday in Texas, where they clashed with police over food tables, and in Oregon, where officers dragged them out of a park in an affluent neighborhood.

In Portland, Ore., police have allowed protesters to sleep in two parks surrounded by office buildings despite policies outlawing camping, but Mayor Sam Adams warned demonstrators last week that he would not allow them to take over any more parks. Late Saturday, hundreds of protesters gathered in another park — Jamison Square in the wealthy Pearl District — and defied a midnight curfew.

About 30 people who had decided to risk arrest sat on the ground as other protesters walked around them and chanted "Whose Park? Our Park!" and "Make No Arrests."

When police moved in around 2 a.m., all but the sitting protesters backed off. An Associated Press photographer said most of those protesters went limp and were carried or dragged away by police. There was no violence during the arrests, which took about 90 minutes.

The protesters — all appearing to be in their 20s and 30s with many wearing Halloween-style face paint — were handcuffed and taken away in police vans. "We are the 99 percent," one arrestee continued to chant.

Police said the arrests were made on charges that included criminal trespassing, interfering with a police officer and disorderly conduct.

Some protesters said they wanted to camp in the Pearl District because they view its residents as part of the wealthy demographic they're protesting. Commissioner Randy Leonard had urged them to reconsider, saying in a letter that it would be inappropriate to expand the demonstration into a neighborhood park.

"We — the entire city council — are your friends ... at present," Leonard wrote. "However, our friendship and support are now being unreasonably tested by the decision to occupy Jamison Square."

Police in Austin, Texas, made 39 arrests early Sunday as they moved to enforce a new rule banning food tables in the City Hall plaza where protesters have camped out. Some protesters surrounded the tables with arms linked.

Most were charged with criminal trespass, Police Chief Art Acevedo said. No injuries were reported.

Protesters had been advised of the food table ban on Friday, Assistant City Manager Michael McDonald told the Austin American-Statesman.

"We want to facilitate their activities," he said, "but we can't allow this to be a permanent campsite."

Some protesters found the ban arbitrary. "On a night where there are hundreds of drunks driving around town, they have all these resources here to take down three food tables," protester Dave Cortez told the newspaper.

Protesters in California, Georgia and Colorado also have been arrested over the last several days.

In Tennessee, Republican Gov. Bill Haslam's administration sent state troopers to haul away Occupy Nashville protesters Thursday and Friday for violating a park curfew, but none were jailed. A local official, Night Court Magistrate Tom Nelson, refused to sign off on the arrest warrants, saying state officials have no authority to set the curfew.

On Saturday night, protesters prepared for a third night of arrests but were greeted by only a single trooper on patrol that made no move against them. Safety Department spokeswoman Jennifer Donnals would not say whether the troopers plan to continue the arrests, saying only, "The curfew remains in effect and we urge the protesters to adhere to it."

BenJamin 0 points 14 hours ago

“The refusal of King George to allow the colonies to operate an honest monetary system, which freed the common man from the clutches of the money manipulators was probably the prime cause of the Revolution.” Benjamin Franklin

MattLHolck 0 points 15 hours ago

Trolling will be squashed whenever possible/reported/found out.

kidnapped by pirates and brought back to Denmark

I'm 45 years old

tikiword 0 points 16 hours ago

There are 4 republican primarys in Jan. a write in vote of "none of the above" if you dont feel these are good choices may get that message across. I miss the days of investigative reporting when facts would be publicized to run corrupt officials out of office.

tikiword 0 points 16 hours ago

There are 4 republican primarys in Jan. a write in vote of "none of the above" if you dont feel these are good choices may get that message across. I miss the days of investigative reporting when facts would be publicized to run corrupt officials out of office.

SonicGuppy 0 points 16 hours ago

Why Truth, Justice, and other and other fallacies exist for entertainment purposes. That what passes for "Free Speech" is only available to those who can hire lawyers, private investigators and seldom if ever is used to check the power of privately operated tyrannies like corporations, political parties, quasi private local organizations etc. Their "magic" of the Shock Doctrine and Disaster Capitalism.

SonicGuppy 0 points 16 hours ago

Let's not forget the Failure Programming, like that of "God" and everything else pushed by the for profit ministries of truth aka the "Liberal Media". The same one's partially responsible for spreading lies about OWS and fecal matter in the streets.

rockyracoon 0 points 17 hours ago

who r u guys anyway? who appointed u to make rules? this is supposed to be a leaderless revolution?

shwe 1 points 14 hours ago

Pease think about the differences between a leader, a moderator and an organiser.

rockyracoon 0 points 17 hours ago

anyway, u start having all your rules and another revolution and subsequent forum without rules will open. let people moderate themselves let people be free

rockyracoon 0 points 17 hours ago

power is in freedom of expression freedom to share ideas freedom to share beliefs freedom to read or not read

rockyracoon 0 points 17 hours ago

same like if i'm standing out on the street let chips fall where they will let nature be otherwise we have same situation

rockyracoon 0 points 17 hours ago

freedom of speech???????????????? open free no rules let people say what they want who r you guys to decide who can say what? i thot this is leaderless revolution?

shwe 1 points 14 hours ago

Pease think about the differences between a leader, a moderator and an organiser.

NoDeceit 0 points 18 hours ago

So much for freedom of speech.

reddy2 0 points 18 hours ago

defn conspiracy theory:

"A theory seeking to explain a disputed case or matter as a plot by a secret group or alliance rather than an individual or isolated act."

How on earth can you say conspiracy theories are banned?

This is absurd considering most of the information here started as conspiracy theories and there are still many who consider the collusion between international banksters a conspiracy theory.

There is actually a lot of sound information that Jones presents. Much of which is backed up by government documents. He might be an idiot but not everything he discusses is a conspiracy.

Blanket banning discussion of certain people is counter productive to healthy discussion.

lisa 2 points 16 hours ago

That's why there are 300 regulars in the park, who are activists and lobbyists from OWS, rather than partially local New Yorkers plus the activists and lobbyists. Others, who would love to join a grassroots movement that represents them look into it feel like they can't even ask questions or bring up topics. Freedom of speech is something that most Americans embrace and want. Any movement that limits that, becomes exclusive not inclusive. How can you garner grassroots support limiting free speech?

alouis (New York, NY) 1 points 9 hours ago

I agree with you. It's their website though.

rockyracoon 1 points 17 hours ago

amen

ChristopherABrownART5 (Santa Barbara, CA) 1 points 17 hours ago

David Icke, Lyndon LaRouche, David Duke or Alex Jones, actually do not work with the best and most credible info and do not substantiate what they assert in any way. There are conspiracies, and when they are well presented, they cease to be theories and become facts. Those listed do not do that. In fact it is fairly certain that they were artifically elevated to their roles for the purpose of discrediting facts of conspiracy or diminishing them by staying out of context of explanation. What they present is actually used by cognitive infiltrators to diminish the facts with confusion and distraction.

MisguidedYouth2 0 points 20 hours ago

Will these restrictions apply to all the forum users I've seen out at OWS carrying signs preaching bigotry, violence, support for unions and Obama, red baiting, not just posting personal information but showing up at people's homes to threaten them on their own front stoops, and spewing lies about them? For a movement that seems to want to challenge authority and dictates from others, it's beginning to become awfully authoritarian and dictatorial.

JesseHeffran 1 points 20 hours ago

It's called creating order out of the ruins of creative destruction.

ramous 0 points 23 hours ago

I like this. Except the last one, where 'lies' are removed for 'spamming'. What defines a 'lie'? Can't we do better, by REFUTING the media story and presenting the positive information, rather than removing all references to it? If posted by a poster once as a concern it should be addressed or we miss a good opportunity to educate. Removing from a board doesn't correct misinformation or misconceptions, so we miss the opportunity and people still have the misconception. Could the site holders write a FAQ so we can point people with the misinformation to it for the correct version? If same poster trolls it repeatedly, yeah, then its spamming. IMHO.

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 4 points 23 hours ago

I mean media material that has already been commented on being passed off as truth (there were 5 threads claiming that we were not feeding the homeless anymore after we posted the counter that it was, in fact, a lie)

RichardGates (Fort Walton Beach, FL) 0 points 23 hours ago

ramos, i kinda agree with you except for the people posting this stuff don't really believe it. it's intentionally inflammatory.

MattLHolck 0 points 1 day ago

any abuse should be politely pointed out to the offender by public post

on Red Baiting

R.E.M. - Exhuming McCarthy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2wET1OlK4Q

I hope it isn't time to leave the forum

WatTyler 0 points 1 day ago

As someone new to this forum, I welcome moderation as contributing to the discussion and debate of relevant ideas, and to the development of a coherent, intelligent voice.

MattLHolck 2 points 23 hours ago

I agree though moderation should be handled in public

RichardGates (Fort Walton Beach, FL) -3 points 23 hours ago

I like the idea. maybe a public dunce board, pre-banning.

MattLHolck 2 points 23 hours ago

I won't support banning

Teacher 0 points 1 day ago

If only every forum page had these rules. The internet would be sane. Consiracy theories, political fan clubs, and hate have no place in civil discourse.

doctorproteus -1 points 21 hours ago

now its spam to mention that there is a condescending attitude towards homeless people who took advantage of the system that "everyone one was welcome to"?

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 0 points 21 hours ago

It's spam because it's a fucking media lie from the NYP that gets reposted 4 times a day after we've already dispelled it.

shwe 1 points 14 hours ago

Is it allowed the word "fucking" in The Post?

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 1 points 13 hours ago

I have no idea, I'm not the NYP.

eidos -1 points 23 hours ago

Thank You!

CHANTER -1 points 1 day ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxmtreWQoVs&feature=player_profilepage

This is a rather anonymous SONG-CHANT-RANT offering, that will hopefully unify our message on the streets. Imparting some basic historical information that has lead to the continued debasing of free forms of Government. Where a select group of power seekers never seem to have enough of anything, including us.This is a very serious time for the FREE Global Community, our only weapon is Martin Luther King's legacy. They further try to discredit us with accusations of not having a coherent message when their only endgame is to further in-slave us! Abusing others until there is only two classes the Haves and Have-Not's.

shooz (Warren, MI) -1 points 1 day ago

Great idea! TY.

number2 -2 points 20 hours ago

boo

RichardGates (Fort Walton Beach, FL) -2 points 22 hours ago

I see some alternate forum bumping, I am also allowed to do this?

MattLHolck -1 points 22 hours ago

obviously

RichardGates (Fort Walton Beach, FL) -3 points 22 hours ago

this is doing little in the way of squashing valid postings by replying on old or irrelevant threads. in a matter of seconds, a tax ratio post gets pushed way down the page never to be seen again, and since you are now moderating i can't see bumping threads anymore.

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 0 points 22 hours ago

This is an issue we're hoping to fix. But we won't be able to legislate what is a (fixable) technical limitation.

MattLHolck -3 points 22 hours ago

save a link to the thread

to bring it back up

always add information or responses when doing so

RichardGates (Fort Walton Beach, FL) -2 points 21 hours ago

i know how to bump a thread, i was expecting a little more class. but getting stabbed in the back, i should know better.

MattLHolck 0 points 21 hours ago

one could always start a new thread which includes the responses it found useful

utlap -3 points 23 hours ago

There should be a first rule before these rules as follows:

The rules should be respected and the decisions of moderators are final. If anyone is not happy with the rules, they can go elsewhere.

MattLHolck 1 points 19 hours ago

they'll be forced to go elsewhere if banned

MattLHolck 1 points 18 hours ago

oh dear

agnosticnixie (Laval, QC) 1 points 22 hours ago

To be quite fair we're open to discussions for anything that's not a cause for instaban.

MikeyD (Alameda, CA) -4 points 23 hours ago

I think you need something next to your name that shows you are a site moderator/admin, or people are going to think you are just another person trying to speak for OWS. There are far to many idiots on this forum trying to do exactly that. The Quebec location information doesn't help on that front.

jbell78 0 points 19 hours ago

This. Although, many do claim the movement was born out of Adbusters from Canada...so maybe the Quebec location is more telling than you think.

MikeyD (Alameda, CA) 0 points 19 hours ago

It could be, but I doubt it. Just as likely it is more bullshit.