'I don't hate Muslims,' Bachmann says repeatedly in Iowa

James Novogrod / NBC News

Rep. Michele Bachmann, R-Minn., addresses reporters Saturday in Estherville, Iowa, where she was campaigning for the Republican presidential nomination.

ALGONA, Iowa – A feud inside the GOP presidential field provoked Michele Bachmann to defend her hard line on Iran on Saturday while insisting that she doesn't "hate Muslims."

Bachmann repeated variations on that phrase in at least three cities during her 99 county bus tour of Iowa.


"I don't hate Muslims.  I love the American people.  And as president of the United States, my goal will be to keep America safe, free, and sovereign," Bachmann told reporters Saturday morning  in Estherville.

The unusually personal self-defense is the latest element in a back-and-forth with U.S. Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, who criticized Bachmann on national television Friday night.

Appearing on NBC's "Tonight Show," Paul said Bachmann "doesn’t like" Muslims.

"She hates Muslims," Paul added. "She wants to go get 'em."

The origins of the feud go back to Thursday's Fox News debate, in Sioux City, where Paul and Bachmann locked horns over how to handle the prospect of a nuclear Iran.

"There's war propaganda going on," Paul said of pronouncements among the GOP about confronting the threat.

"To me, the greatest danger is that we will have a president that will overreact and we will soon bomb Iran," he added.

Kevin Winter / NBCuniversal / Getty Images Contributor

Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul appears on the "Tonight Show With Jay Leno" Friday at NBC Studios in Burbank, Calif.

Asked to reply, Bachmann said: "I think I have never heard a more dangerous answer for American security than the one that we just heard from Ron Paul."

She later added that the idea of not confronting Iran amounts to "the greatest under-reaction in world history."

(Bachmann's plan on Iran, unveiled in November, does not call for an immediate strike, but recommends "crushing" sanctions and covert activity to destabilize the regime.)

On Saturday, Bachmann used Paul's charge that she "hates" Muslims to advance her own assertions about Iran's leaders.

"Where the true hatred is coming from is the president of Iran and the mullahs," Bachmann told reporters in Algona.

"They’ve said unequivocally that they want to obtain a nuclear weapon for the express purpose of using it against our ally, Israel, to kill the Jews," she said, adding: "They also want to use it against the United States and kill Americans."

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Comment author avatarsandy-1851937Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Michele. YOU LIE!

  • 58 votes
#1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:37 PM EST

politofact gave her a pants on fire for saying they said everything she said in the debate before last was true.....

  • 26 votes
#1.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:06 PM EST
Comment author avatarJon-2730330Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

She believes in miracles and a Jewish Skydaddy. She's been taught from birth that lying, especially to yourself, is perfectly natural.

  • 35 votes
#1.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:27 PM EST

she is just plain stupid.

cruel thing to say, but I can't believe she has ANYPLACE in our government, let alone the intelligence committee or as president !!!

  • 47 votes
#1.3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:31 PM EST

Don't hate muslims. Don't think before talking. Don't know anything about history, the economy or foreign affairs.

Don't have no shot in 2012.

Bye, bye Michele.

  • 37 votes
#1.4 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:40 PM EST

Why is anyone still listening to her? She will never become President so she should stop wasting her constituents money and give up the ghost.

  • 36 votes
#1.5 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:42 PM EST

"I'm not a witch, I'm you". Oh, wrong GOP candidate..

  • 23 votes
#1.6 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:03 PM EST

marlen101917, That was too funny!!

  • 6 votes
#1.7 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:09 PM EST
Comment author avatarrrobesonExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

The only thing more stupid than Bachman is, uh, um, oh I remember, the majority of idiots who voted for her in District 6 of Minnesota. Yep, they are definitely dumber than her. I was going to say Palin, but she just didn't meet the dumb quota there.

Bottom line, you can't blame Bachman, she just represents the millions of idiots in Minnesota who drool, then take a spill on it after it freezes on the ground in front of them. I mean really, with that kind of cold, how can you ever achieve intelligence?

  • 24 votes
#1.8 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:11 PM EST

Perhaps her husband's clinic can cure the Muslims, Hispanics, Liberals, Independents, non-caucasian, non-Christian/Evangelicals and and other free thinking people like they cure the gays? That's it! The two most warp and sick minded people on the planet can cure everyone else who isn't just like Michelle.

  • 30 votes
#1.9 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:14 PM EST

You are right. When she repeats her comments so many times, she doesn't tell the truth.

  • 6 votes
#1.10 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:21 PM EST

Like every evangelical preacher before her, she claims to not hate her infidel (as long as they're willing to convert to her beliefs they can be saved)!

  • 10 votes
#1.11 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:22 PM EST

I liked the way Paul said that. He sees her allot more than we do in the media and it was like he was letting us in on more than we already know the way he stressed "she realllllyyy hates Muslims". End the wars once and for all. Listen to our soldiers, they know whats going on first hand. RP2012

  • 11 votes
#1.12 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:00 PM EST
Comment author avatarAdam44Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Ron Paul made a real azz of himself on Leno last night. Accusing Bachman of "hating Muslijms" because she is determined to stop Iran from making and using nuclear weapon is the worst kind of cartoon slander. Just because someone is critical of Islam, or wants to stop Iran from building a nuke, does not mean that they hate Muslims.

Paul is a real know-nothing when it comes to international affairs. His approach is to bury his head in the sand and hope for the best. That's how Hitler came to power when the world tried that approach in the 1930s. The present gov. of Iran is even more dangerous than Hitler and the Nazis, exactly because of nukes.

Plus, just as with Hitler in "Mein Kampf," President Nutjob and the Mullahs have let it be known what they want to do with a nuke, i.e. drop it on Israel and "wipe it off the map." Great. And now Paul, in his infinite know-nothing wisdom, is helping pave the way for that by running interference against people who are trying to sound the alarm about Iran and their intentions. Paul's head-in-the-sand, thinking is even more naive and dangerous than Bachman's evangelical fairy thinking.

  • 12 votes
#1.13 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:02 PM EST

She hates anyone that doesn't follow her religion and lunacy.

She's a lost cause, and she still hasn't figured out she is not going to be nominated to run for president. She's still living in here religion lala land and talking to the invisible man in the sky and listening to those voices in her empty head ramble on.

She's just a lost cause like Santorum, Nutty Newt and others are.

RON PAUL 2012

  • 16 votes
#1.14 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:12 PM EST

I do not know anyone who hates Muslims it is their hateful ideology that needs to be updated and brought into the 21st century. What a very simple statement?

sandy-1851937

"Michele. YOU LIE!"....How do you know what is in this woman's heart? Shame on you Michelle.

  • 6 votes
#1.15 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:25 PM EST

"I don't hate Muslims" either. Let them beat and treat their women like sh1t. As long as they don't touch ours. "I don't hate Muslims."

  • 4 votes
#1.16 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:28 PM EST

correction{shame on you sandy}

  • 3 votes
#1.17 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:30 PM EST

Michele Bachmann's positions exposes an interesting mathematical reality. Were she to receive the votes of every single registered voter in America whom is not a member of any religious, socio-economic, ethnic, racial, sexual persuasion or political group which she has already slandered or otherwise alienated, ... she could not get elected. And there hasn't even been a primary caucus or election yet; lots of time to slander and alienate more voters.

So, Michele, what is the point of your continuing with this charade except for your vanity?

  • 11 votes
#1.18 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:32 PM EST

Paul having his head in the sand is a bit of an exageration.Ron Paul simply wants to take care of the United States FIRST.Instead trying to police the entire world and rebuild nations.We need to rebuild this nation NOW.If iran wants a bomb Isreal will not let that happen.Paul did say that we should stand along side isreal in what ever they decide to do.That is not a head in the sand approach.It is the right one.

  • 9 votes
#1.19 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:42 PM EST

"I don't hate Muslims......."

"I don't hate Muslims. I go to Muslims all of the time. I've been to all the Muslims in Washington. Like the Air and Space Muslim; The Smithsonian Muslim; Madam Tussaud's Wax Muslim where they show ya how a bikini wax is done and stuff like that.....See?.....I don't hate Muslims. They're educational and all school aged kids should seek them out!" says Ms. Bachmann.

Cement Head..................

  • 10 votes
#1.20 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:42 PM EST
Comment author avatarspider-737231Expand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

Gee, we have some expert comments on hate here, because most of them were written by the best haters in the business.....atheists and liberals.

  • 1 vote
#1.21 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:50 PM EST

Spider,

You should try to tone down your hatred of liberals and atheists.

  • 21 votes
#1.22 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:54 PM EST

I'd believe her if she admitted she was afraid of Muslims.

  • 6 votes
#1.23 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:04 PM EST

Spider doesn't just hate atheists and liberals. He hates everyone who does not agree with him one hundred percent. They have treatments and medications for that, but it appears Spider is not interested in improving his mental health.

  • 12 votes
#1.24 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:04 PM EST

Bachmann represents under-educated Americans who have a hard time accepting anyone who looks, believes, or behaves differently from their narrow vision of What Decent Folk Should Be (white, fundamentalist Christian, reflexively Republican... credulous).

As for the current hysteria on the subject of Muslims: This same kind of religious nutballery enabled long-dead heads of state to initiate the Crusades, an unsolicited and disastrous attempt to grab up prime "Holy Land" real estate in the name of our Personal Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. Until then, Muslims tended to approve of any fellow monotheist, but repeated Christian invasion gave them serious second thoughts about Christians.

You might say that today's minority of violent, radical Islamists owe a lot to the Crusaders. Thanks, Christian soldiers.

As for Mrs. Bachmann: If she were a Muslim, a whirling dervish, or an atheist, she'd still be dumber than a can of old pink paint.

  • 7 votes
#1.25 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:11 PM EST

Someone pull Michele's string, she's stuck on stupid.

  • 12 votes
#1.26 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:16 PM EST

You are all lying, Michele Bachman does not hate Muslims.

Since when did Michele Bachman tell each and every one of you this? She did Not.

Ron Paul is a desperate liar.!

  • 1 vote
#1.27 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:34 PM EST

Michele Bachmann just did a "Mitt Romney".

  • 1 vote
#1.28 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:20 AM EST

stclaire-3822173 - You are all lying, Michele Bachman does not hate Muslims.

Since when did Michele Bachman tell each and every one of you this? She did Not.

Maybe when she signed the Iowa Family Leader's anti-Islamic Sharia law pledge while endorsing their Christian sharia law anti-gay pledge?

Speaking as an agnostic atheist, I don't care from which religion your sharia laws originate - none of them belong in our government.

  • 8 votes
#1.29 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:32 AM EST

Why do we look for the perfect candidate..There all human so no one is perfect.. We need someone to fight unconditionally for the middle class..Without the middle class you will soon find wealth diminish so instead of that perfect candidate look for hard, steady work !

    #1.30 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:54 AM EST

    Anyone who gets their news other than exclusively from Fox News knows she was full of it. Good Lord; for the sake our country pull your head out! I was at that debate and I expected that kind of crap from Santorum; not Bachmann but I guess it doesn't matter.

    Isolationist...??? If the populace of every country the US intervened in over the years despises us isn't that more isolating? Then again, the Patriot Act had nothing to do with actual patriotism either.

    Ron Paul 2012

    • 1 vote
    #1.31 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:04 AM EST

    Elf Alert!

      #1.32 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:55 AM EST

      skrekk-

      I don't care from which religion your sharia laws originate - none of them belong in our government.

      Well said. Thank you.

        #1.33 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:06 AM EST
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        Comment author avatarMatthew, Houston, TXExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

        She doesn't hate Muslims, she just hates anybody that is not caucasian, an evangelical Christian, or heterosexual. Other than that, she is just fine with everyone.

        • 42 votes
        Reply#2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:43 PM EST

        Right she said she doesn't hate muslims she just loves americans...But what about the americans that are muslims ? She acts like you can't be both..

        • 28 votes
        #2.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:03 PM EST

        You forgot the Hispanics. She can't stand them either.

        • 15 votes
        #2.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:18 PM EST

        How about her husband?.... quite strange....

        • 14 votes
        #2.3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:21 PM EST

        She doesn't hate Muslims (OK she hates everyone) but she hates gay people...like her husband...what a joke.

        • 10 votes
        #2.4 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:22 PM EST

        Ron Paul made a real azz of himself on Leno. Accusing Bachman of "hating Muslijms" because she is determined to stop Iran from making nuclear weapon is the worst kind of cartoon slander. Just because someone is critical of Islam, or wants to stop Iran from building a nuke, does not mean that they hate Muslims. Paul is a real know-nothing when it comes to international affairs. His approach is to bury his head in the sand and hope for the best. That's how Hitler came to power when the world tried that approach in the 1930s. The present gov. of Iran is even more dangerous, exactly because of nukes. Plus, just as with Hitler in "Mein Kampf," President Nutjob and the Mullahs have let it be known what they want to do with a nuke, i.e. drop it on Isreal and "wipe it off the map." Great. And now Paul, in his infinite know-nothing wisdom, is helping pave the way for that by running interference against people who are trying to sound the alarm. Paul's head-in-the-sand, thinking is even more naive than Bachman's evangelical fairy thinking.

        • 1 vote
        #2.5 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:59 PM EST

        Paul having his head in the sand is a bit of an exageration.Ron Paul simply wants to take care of the United States FIRST.Instead trying to police the entire world and rebuild nations.We need to rebuild this nation NOW.If iran wants a bomb Isreal will not let that happen.Paul did say that we should stand along side isreal in what ever they decide to do.That is not a head in the sand approach.It is the right one.

        • 2 votes
        #2.6 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:44 PM EST

        Adam, when has "President nutjob" say he wanted to drop a nuke on Israel? He did not say he wanted to wipe Israel off the map. He said he wanted to wipe the zionist government of Israel off the map. I don't like Paul, but to say he wants to bury his head in the sand is a lie. He just believes that we aren't the worlds police force.

          #2.7 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:31 PM EST

          Ahh, the sweet smell of being collapsed. What's the matter? Can't handle the truth? Didn't think so.

            #2.8 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:24 AM EST
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            Well okay, you don't hate Muslims. But your base does.

            • 42 votes
            Reply#3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:44 PM EST

            She sure loves Tammy Baker eye make-up.....

            • 17 votes
            #3.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:05 PM EST

            Spackle is cheap...lies divide

            • 7 votes
            #3.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:46 PM EST

            Michelle Bachmann - "I don't hate Muslims...much."

            • 5 votes
            #3.3 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:00 AM EST

            She and Santorum hate muslims like Jimmy the Tulip hates mayonaisse; a little too much to warrant their kind of hostility.

              #3.4 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:10 AM EST

              Wonder how she feels about gay Muslims...

              • 1 vote
              #3.5 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:25 AM EST

              Or Mexican Muslims who seek out abortions while demanding gun control and government spending...

              • 3 votes
              #3.6 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:57 AM EST

              I think she was saying she doesn't just hate Muslims.

              • 1 vote
              #3.7 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:38 AM EST

              Ron Paul does love muslims.... alot. refering back to when OBL was taken, he's OBL admirer and defended terrorist

                #3.8 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 8:03 AM EST
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                [Bachmann's plan on Iran, unveiled in November, does not call for an immediate strike, but recommends "crushing" sanctions and covert activity to destabilize the regime.]

                Does anyone really believe that Iran isn't under the microscope of every intelligence agency that we can think of (and even those that we don't know about)? Because if you do, I can arrange to sell you a bridge...lightly used...just painted...for a low low price.

                Could it be, Mishie, that the other committee members of the Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence simply don't trust you and may be keeping you in the dark on some of these very issues because they know you will say and do anything in your feeble attempt at a WH run?

                Bachmann is a war monger in a dress. This excerpt is from her bio:

                She has taken the opportunity of serving on the Intelligence Committee to regularly advocate for peace through strength to ensure America's national security.

                Simply put, she is full of @!$%#.

                • 25 votes
                Reply#4 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:47 PM EST

                Michele Bachmann + Intelligence Committee = oxymoron

                • 29 votes
                #4.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:22 PM EST

                Unfortunately and it's quite scary that once the GOP begins dropping "hints", you know exactly where they're heading and lately the clues have been about invading Iran so you know they're already in talks about what to do about them.... as soon as they take over.

                Just listen to their people when certain key words are spoken, how they light up and press them on. Never mind that the people cheering shouldn't be listened to much less pleased.... they're for killing people and not just criminals but the poor and disenfranchised..... they're racist, homophobic and hate everyone who isn't exactly like them, doesn't matter if we're supposed to have freedom of expression or religion... it's their way or you're an enemy. They don't want to lend a helping hand to anyone, even if they're supposed to espouse Christian beliefs (don't they know what these are and that Christ was the original disenfranchised poster boy?).... they're afraid of everything and everyone, have the closest minds on earth and want to set the example....

                All I can say is that how did we let these people take such a prominent place in our society? They're a fringe group with less than a minority representation and are making the clown candidates dance to their tune? Seriously? Would you even buy a used car from this woman?

                She keeps saying she hasn't had a misstep, does she truly believe this? Does she live in another planet? She continually lies, twists the truth and actually thinks she's got what it takes to be President, what is she on? I wish she would just go away, along with some of the others.... it's shameful and makes a ridicule of the whole country to have these types of people thinking they represent us. No way!!!!

                • 25 votes
                #4.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:30 PM EST

                I don't think she should go away or any of them...They are giving the Democrats a huge win in november showing what loons they are...They would rather beat Obama than do good for the country and win an election...That is hate.......

                • 20 votes
                #4.3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:41 PM EST

                SW of Philly

                You only get to pick one..tweedle-dee or tweedle-dumb

                • 2 votes
                #4.4 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:00 PM EST

                Or tweedle-dumb or tweedle-dumber.

                • 4 votes
                #4.5 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:30 AM EST

                Hey jaybee and all of you in denial obama worshipers: Bachmann is as intelligent as obama and his repeated "corpse men" gaff, his "57" states he visited during his 08' campaign, or how about his looking into the audience and seeing "fallen service men and women" during a speech to the very much alive and well? If it weren't for his very much needed teleprompter...

                You all seem to forget or outright ignore the utter ignorance and ineptness of your president and vice president don't ya? How much better off are you now since Einstein has bankrupted the Nation beyond repair? I'll take anyone but obama and his regime, anyone.

                :)

                • 4 votes
                #4.6 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:00 AM EST

                We don't need somebody "as" intelligent as Obama. We need somebody smarter. Bachmann doesn't have a chance.

                • 1 vote
                #4.7 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:14 AM EST

                The very idea that the degree of military aggression can be measured as either left or right is terribly disturbing.

                  #4.8 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:13 AM EST

                  I don't hate Muslims,' Bachmann says repeatedly in Iowa

                  You lie !!

                  • 1 vote
                  #4.9 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:14 AM EST

                  Should the republicans win the white house and senate in 2012, be prepared...an invasion of Iran will be planned to coincide with the anniversary of the invasion of Iraq on March 20, 2013.

                  • 2 votes
                  #4.10 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 5:29 AM EST
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                  I don't hate Muslims either and most Americans would agree with that on both sides of the aisle! What most Americans are concerned with is those Muslims that wish to see Americans die! In that respect I would say the libbies at FR seem to be confused.

                  • 17 votes
                  #5 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:52 PM EST

                  There are alot of muslims that are americans too...That is what you just don't get

                  • 23 votes
                  #5.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:01 PM EST

                  Bill T, seems to me no one wants to see Americans die. At the hands of anybody.

                  President Obama is trying, as a world leader, to keep us safe, yet at the same time, not get into the fear mongering that Michele Bachmann's base loves to do. They seem to many of us to be a little on the ignorant side.

                  We haven't handled ourselves well after 9/11. There is a great deal of Muslim paranoia, fear and hate going on in this country.

                  And it's not right.

                  • 26 votes
                  #5.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:04 PM EST

                  Obama would have us apologize to the terrorists for our aggressiveness after 9/11. To that I would say absolutely not! Why are the liberals so tunnel visioned.... could it be because they would disagree with comments from any non-liberal on every point? To Pat, Mickey Mouse, and Matthew.... get another hobby! Quit spinning Bachmann's words into something else....

                  • 14 votes
                  #5.3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:06 PM EST

                  Right I agree that it is poppycock that Obama would do that...And if he did can we please have the source because I would like to see that? And not hannity saying he did or malkin or the rest of the message machine of the right.

                  • 11 votes
                  #5.4 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:09 PM EST

                  Oh you fixed the poppycock statement in editing...I knew I should have copied it...But I like typing

                  • 1 vote
                  #5.5 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:11 PM EST

                  Pride and Joy: Terrorism is a reality. We all know that. Our aggressiveness after 9/11 should not have included going into Iraq. Why kill people who weren't ever going to attack us? This isn't the America most of us want to be.

                  It's amazing how Americans can look at what we did in Iraq with pure indifference. A handful of terrorists flew planes on 9/11. How many Iraqi's died because of our GD stupidity? How many of our troops died in Iraq?

                  There are evil people in this country. Pure evil.

                  • 26 votes
                  #5.6 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:13 PM EST

                  It did say "Obama would have us apologize to the terrorists for our aggressiveness after 9/11.Poppycock"

                  • 4 votes
                  #5.7 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:13 PM EST

                  Pride and joy: kindly provide us with proof of "obama would have us apologize to the terrorists for our aggressiveness after 9/11". Its a nice sound bite of course, if you like fox talking point news.

                  bill t: exactly which 'libbies" here are 'confused'. Vague posts about "the libbies" are worth less. If you think some specific people here are 'confused', you would improve the quality of your posts by addressing them specifically.

                  • 16 votes
                  #5.8 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:15 PM EST

                  I agree Pat...And I hereby apologize to Iraqi citizens for the unprovoked killing of your children....I am sorry..Because I believed the lie too that there were WMDs that they were ready to use on us here at home and I wanted to go there myself and fight...But I was fooled and didn't go back on active duty immediatly...Thank God because I would have a hard time sleeping...I have plenty on immediate Family members that have been deployed to both theatres though and the ones that went to Iraq do have trouble with thier consience now even though they know it wasn't thier mistake...

                  • 17 votes
                  #5.9 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:19 PM EST

                  Yep Pride Obama would have us apologize to terrorists. Which is why he gave the order to kill Bin Laden.

                  • 19 votes
                  #5.10 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:28 PM EST

                  Hey, pride and joy, stuff it! I'll do whatever I please, no matter what you think, say, or write.

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.11 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:29 PM EST

                  Right Newday he said " tell him sorry and then give him two to the head"

                  • 12 votes
                  #5.12 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:34 PM EST

                  It is funny how they say Obama had nothing to do with killing Bin Laden but when a Mafia boss orders a killing he is culpable for murder 1....You can't have it both ways...And he watched in live streaming...That is badass for a president if you ask me,,,,just as badass as Gotti

                  • 10 votes
                  #5.13 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:37 PM EST

                  sw philly, laughed at your comment at 5.12. Thanks for the chuckle.

                  • 3 votes
                  #5.14 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:53 PM EST

                  Glad to oblige........Newday

                  • 2 votes
                  #5.15 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:01 PM EST

                  The only difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is what side you are on. When the US backs ruthless regimes, or the CIA assassinates people it is for the noble cause of freedom, when others who we disagree with do the same it is a despicable act of terrorism. When the people of Iran turned on our puppet leader the Shah of Iran we gave Saddam Hussein our full backing because Iraq was at war with Iran. Do you think all the people in Iraq see us a liberators, because I'll bet many see us as terrorist aggressors.

                  • 14 votes
                  #5.16 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:11 PM EST

                  Forrest, great post. And true. Americans have a real problem dealing with reality. But you nailed it.

                  We aren't supposed to apologize for Iraq in any way, shape or form. Yet Muslims all over the world and even here in America are not to be trusted. That's the message the GOP wants to relay. Look at King in NY. What a stupid stupid man he is.

                  President Obama is not apologizing. He's attempting to change perceptions. And it's working. We didn't see American flags burning during the Arab Spring.

                  What we did see were messages of thank you to the United States and our President.

                  • 13 votes
                  #5.17 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:30 PM EST

                  Pat can you believe many people want to justify torture as a means of fighting terrorism, if you are going to become what you are supposedly defending yourself against, then what is the point. It is not easy for us to admit as a nation, but we have done many of the things we condemn others for, it is easy to justify our own bad behavior, while simultaneously condemning others. When Christians waged a holy war it is described as a crusade by the west, when Muslims wage a holy war it is terrorist Jihadism. How does a good evangelical Christian justify the bombing of an abortion clinic as doing the work of God, I guess the same way radical Muslims justify their acts of terrorism as doing the work of their God. Some Christians believe in the right to life so strongly that their God inspires them to kill people, these good Christian candidates don't want to talk about that now do they, they would rather focus on Muslims, because it is important for us to understand that their radical religious beliefs can make them dangerous. Oh really, just them?

                  • 10 votes
                  #5.18 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:02 PM EST

                  Forrest, and no matter how often you try to explain all that, the GOP aren't interested. They truly make me ill. They haven't a thing to offer our future except more hate, more fear mongering, more wars. It's what makes them feel secure. It's what makes them feel "smart".

                  Everybody has become their enemy. And I mean everybody. You could make a Twilight Zone episode describing their irrationality. Oh wait. Rod Serling already did that.

                  About 60 freakin' years ago.

                  They haven't changed one iota in all these years. If anything, they've gotten worse, mostly because of talk radio and Fox. They need to make people afraid in order to get ratings and keep the sensible ones out of office. The Democrats.

                  And to think. Americans actually buy that crap. The way I look at it - after what the Bush people and the media were able to pull off re: Iraq, I realized Americans would believe just about anything bad you tell them.

                  What has happened to them? Their lives depend solely on having enemies. Or a supposed weak Democratic president. It's one big cycle. The Obama Administration have killed a great many terrorists. Doesn't matter.

                  Americans are told he is weak. And they buy it. If they only realized it is they themselves who are weak. They're just too insulated to see it.

                  Look how they treat President Obama. He is, I saw recently, the most admired leader in the world. Yet look at how he is treated here. In America.

                  The greatest country on earth, so they say.

                  Evidently God made our country, according to Romney. Unbelievable.

                  • 9 votes
                  #5.19 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:28 PM EST

                  You got to remember that this is the country where a man made a fortune selling "pet rocks"!

                  • 7 votes
                  #5.20 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:47 PM EST

                  Apparently we're all too naive for Bill T.

                  Please allow all future Bill T.'s to anally probe you so they can feel more secure.

                    #5.21 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:18 AM EST
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                    She loves Muslims so much that she wants to invade their countries and bomb them into submission.

                    • 23 votes
                    Reply#6 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:04 PM EST

                    The war drums are beating in the distance. The GOP agenda is foreshadowing a ground war in Iran. You wanna worry about N weapons in the Muslim world, start with Pakistan. Hey, they already got'em.

                    The GOP will have you believe the Iranian Muslims are a special threat because they don't yet have Nukes. Pakistan has the Nukes and if you believe they are our allies I got a moat the sell you.

                    I say the Democrat response to the Iran threat is to advocate a ground invasion of Pakistan. At least India will be on our side.

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:02 PM EST

                    Now, if we could just get the Iranian Mullahs to really piss off the Pakistanis.

                      #6.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:09 PM EST

                      And from Ron Paul's comments, it appears that he would prefer to allow Iran to bomb us, or Israel, into submission. I would've thought anybody who knows anything about history would realize that appeasement just doesn't work. It's been proven time and again.

                        #6.3 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:29 AM EST

                        Well GAdude, nuclear destruction is relatively new and "historically" not many civilizations could have been so aware of their impendent suicide if they so signed such a deathwish.

                          #6.4 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:25 AM EST
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                          And Richard Nixon was not a crook!

                          • 3 votes
                          Reply#7 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:13 PM EST

                          Michele ought to do a shoot for Hustler. Without the burkha.

                          • 4 votes
                          Reply#8 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:13 PM EST

                          with the burka.....please

                          • 7 votes
                          #8.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:30 PM EST

                          Aw comon' Bouncer, show a little backbone.

                            #8.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:10 PM EST

                            No thanks. LMAO

                              #8.3 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:58 AM EST
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                              She is a lying clown. Absolutely the worst of the GOP bunch. Why can't Huntsman get any traction? I guess since he isn't a loon they don't care.

                              • 18 votes
                              Reply#9 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:14 PM EST

                              She is a lying clown. Absolutely the worst of the GOP bunch. Why can't Huntsman get any traction? I guess since he isn't a loon they don't care.

                              Boto,

                              First off, with Cain gone, she's the worst one LEFT.

                              Secondly, you nailed it. It's why Tim Pawlenty left the race. He said the current GOP base is not interested in a moderate center right person with center right ideas. They want crazy ass, gun totin', bomb droppin', jesus freak tea baggers.

                              Pawlenty and Huntsman didn't stand a chance.

                              • 12 votes
                              #9.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:25 PM EST

                              Boto, you're forgetting Rick Santorum. Bachmann may be crazier looking and have the Sarah Palin ear-splitting Crazy Screech, but Santorum's got an extra special helping of dumb, plus the creepy dead baby ritual factor.

                              Who's pounding the financial sand down these two ratholes, anyway?

                              • 2 votes
                              #9.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:18 PM EST
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                              What? Michelle doesn't hate Muslims??? How can she expect to win the GOP nomination with that attitude? The righties are looking for racists to head their ticket. She better recant soon or she's toast!

                              • 16 votes
                              Reply#10 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:16 PM EST

                              To hear them tell it,it is just playing a race card for saying they are racist for hating and discriminating against anyone who isn't a white anglo-saxon protestant republican teaparty member or a black man doing thier bidding(Hermie) they can put up with him since the Koch Bros own him and he does what they say....He is thier token that is for sure

                              • 10 votes
                              #10.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:25 PM EST
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                              I find it hard to comprehend how a candidate can say that they are all for protecting life in the case of abortion but would put our troops in harm’s way going to war with an entire nation to stop an idiot who runs his mouth spouting anti-Israel and anti-American statements without money, people, or weapons to back it up. Not to mention the threat of retaliation they pose to our nation.

                              • 11 votes
                              Reply#11 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:24 PM EST

                              Either you are an American and or not an American is the question. All other boistering about being a Jew, Christian, Muslim,etc. is secondary.

                              • 2 votes
                              Reply#12 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:24 PM EST

                              But does she feel about GAY muslims?

                              • 7 votes
                              Reply#13 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:24 PM EST

                              She likes her husband I guess but he isn't muslim that is all I can be sure he isn't.....

                              • 5 votes
                              #13.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:27 PM EST

                              Her husband's gonna switch em and bill the tax payers.

                              • 3 votes
                              #13.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:28 PM EST

                              Those entitlements are okay because they get them and it is for a good cause in thier twisted view.

                              • 4 votes
                              #13.3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:31 PM EST

                              Nope, the Mullahs do not allow Gays. They don't have a problem with consorts with sheep or young boys, cuz, that's not gayness.

                              • 1 vote
                              #13.4 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:17 PM EST

                              Plus, they're not allowed to eat the sheep afterwards, which makes my wonder why nobody has set up a business in the middle east selling lip gloss and eye shadow to sheep. They could get paid in wool. The young boys are merely being trained for their future careers as professional fundamentalist molesters. Kind of an apprenticeship. Apparently, they need to keep the line going.

                                #13.5 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:14 PM EST
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                                "I don't hate Muslims. I love the American people. And as president of the United States, my goal will be to keep America safe, free, and sovereign," Bachmann told reporters Saturday morning in Estherville.

                                I wonder if she was coming out of Lowe's when she talked to the reporters.

                                • 13 votes
                                Reply#14 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:26 PM EST

                                But, if you'en is Muslim and not American, I ain't so sure.

                                  #14.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:20 PM EST
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                                  Where does she get the money to keep this farce running?

                                  • 8 votes
                                  Reply#15 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:26 PM EST

                                  Citezens United and groups like them

                                  • 6 votes
                                  #15.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:28 PM EST

                                  ah, yes, and with groups like them how could anyone ever wonder why we are trying to dig out of economic down turn

                                    #15.2 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:55 AM EST
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                                    Michele's first problem (of which there are many) is acting like Muslim is a race.

                                    • 12 votes
                                    Reply#16 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:27 PM EST

                                    She doesn't get it like alot of sheltered bigots they don't even know the types and classes of people they hate...They fear them too much to get close to them....And fear breeds hate

                                    • 16 votes
                                    #16.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:30 PM EST
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                                    Why oh why is this woman still around and being courted by the media. Her poll numbers EVERYWHERE have her at the bottom. She has no chance of being President. Hang it up honey, unless you really need that PAC money to live off of.

                                    • 9 votes
                                    Reply#17 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:28 PM EST

                                    Because she is hot, stupid, and has a megaphone. Now, that's entertainment.

                                    (Sorry, guys, but I just couldn't help myself ;-))))) )

                                    • 4 votes
                                    #17.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:31 PM EST

                                    She's "hot" ? LMFAO... tell me you're kidding. She looks like she's psychotic...you know... bats in the belfry.

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #17.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:37 PM EST

                                    Nope, not kidding. Never said she wasn't a nut, just that she is, physically, a very attractive woman. I was sitting next to a guy who didn't know who she was (he'd been working outside the country for awhile), who commented that she was hot, but he did not know who she was. Point being, if you ignore her . . . nuttiness(?), she is hot.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #17.3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:00 PM EST

                                    Please, stop in at LensCrafters at your first opportunity. Your acquaintance would do well to follow suit.

                                      #17.4 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:16 PM EST

                                      When all this primary lunacy dies down, Bachmann's probably counting on a gig with Fox or a book contract. Somewhere out there, there are insane old ladies who will line up for her autograph. Somewhere even farther out there, P. T. Barnum is laughing.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #17.5 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:22 PM EST
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                                      Hey, anybody that comments on Bachmann or anything that she says is just lowering themselves to her level. Get real for Pete's sake.. Cariboo Barbie ring a bell? Just sit back and enjoy the show.

                                      • 8 votes
                                      Reply#18 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:32 PM EST

                                      I would, but she is a Representative from MN. Where I live. I can hardly stand the embarrassment.

                                      • 5 votes
                                      #18.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:56 PM EST

                                      You survived Jesse.

                                        #18.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:18 PM EST

                                        NewDay: Who's her constituency? The Minnesotans I've met seem too reasonable to have allowed a nut job like Bachmann anywhere near public office.

                                        • 1 vote
                                        #18.3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:29 PM EST

                                        LOL at the Caribou Barbie reference....just can't wait until one of Bachman's daughters gets caught doin a little out-of-wedlock fornicating and produces an illegitimate grandchild, just like her idol Sarah....or until Marcus finally comes out of the closet....shots are on me when one or both happens, and you know it will.

                                        Where I come from, the ones who trumpet their holy roller cred the loudest in public, turn out to be the biggest freaks in private. Something tells me Bachmann is no exception.

                                          #18.4 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:58 AM EST
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                                          Appearing on NBC's "Tonight Show," Paul said Bachmann "doesn’t like" Muslims.

                                          "She hates Muslims," Paul added. "She wants to go get 'em."

                                          ^ She hates Muslims, Gays and Blacks (which is why she hates the President).

                                          Ron Paul's accurate statement cuts to the quick, because she can't play the "liberal" card and accuse him of being a liberal.

                                          You can only spew so much hatred before you end up on the defensive.

                                          Hater in America - is considered the lowest form of loser.

                                          • 5 votes
                                          Reply#19 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:36 PM EST

                                          This has nothing to do with Muslims, it has everything to do with Iran. Iran is the one making it be about Islam. They're the ones yelling to the whole world that all of their insanity is because of Islam. We're not reacting to Islam, we're reacting to Iran's insanity. And they (the supreme leaders of Iran, whatever) are clearly a few bricks shy of a full load which is pretty scary considering how hard they are trying to get nuclear weapons right now.

                                          It is not war mongering to listen to what the leader of Iran is saying and believe he means it. It is self-preservation. Churchill was the only leader in Britain who actually read Mein Kampf and believed it. They called him a war monger too. The difference is they didn't have nukes back then. The world simply cannot afford a Chamberlain this time around.

                                          Oops how dare I say the obvious truth. I must be a war monger too.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          Reply#20 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:38 PM EST

                                          Steve, no you're not war monger. Just a brainwashed idiot.

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #20.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:47 PM EST

                                          adrift2's comment is typical of the high quality "discourse" found in this string. And Bachman is supposedly the hater!

                                          • 3 votes
                                          #20.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:22 PM EST

                                          OK, Steve. Get up from behind your keyboard and go fight the Iranians. Bring a sleeping bag and a change of underwear.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #20.3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:25 PM EST
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                                          She rings her bell. Muslims as are bad, Muslims are evil. Ding! Ding! Ding! Her base immediately starts salivating. Campaign donations trickle in, but sorry lady your time is up. Now get lost, you idiot!

                                          • 6 votes
                                          Reply#21 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:40 PM EST

                                          I can't believe she's still around

                                          • 3 votes
                                          Reply#22 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:41 PM EST

                                          Bachmann just got her 12th Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire from Politifact.

                                          She's a real piece of work!

                                          I can't believe there are still people out there drinking her Koolaid...

                                          • 6 votes
                                          Reply#23 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:42 PM EST

                                          ron paul is wrong to level such charge against bachman. islamic terror is a real life issue, not an imaginary one. iran mullah rule there with an iron fist, aggressive on nukes, have a publicly stated mal intent. it is the job of president to address that issue which escapist paul seems to say does not exist. ron frames the issue the way muslims do when they defend terror or create diversions by saying "all muslims are not like that" and make an outrageous countercharge of bigotry. nobody is fooled any more on islamic terror which is institutional, government supported, mulla preached, well funded and has a long reach enough to present a credible security threat which must be neutered.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#24 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:43 PM EST

                                          George, Every American knows that there are Dangerous People in this world. What I have a problem with is being constantly reminded about it 24/7 365.

                                          It starts to get like the Boy Who cried Wolf, only now a days it's the Fox (FoxNews) that cried Wolf over and over and over and over and over....

                                          We have Highly paid Adults who work for any Administration whose job it is to keep an eye on these things.

                                          • 8 votes
                                          #24.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:52 PM EST

                                          And do you think Obama is a Kenyan born secret Muslim ?

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #24.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:56 PM EST

                                          There is real terror in the world alright and the terror is the United State and our 3-B diplomacy - bully, bribe and bomb. We unfortunately have an insatiable appetite for wars and our corporate leaders and the Pentagon are just itching for another nation to attack now that we have supposedly vacated Iraq. Wars, if you haven't noticed, are a money making racket. The defense industry makes huge profits and they are a fast track for promotions for the officer corps. Just forget about the poor grunts that do the fighting as the Pentagon brass considers them an expendable commodity. Been there!

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #24.3 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:18 PM EST

                                          We can't go to war with China, we would have to go barefoot and naked because they make all our clothes and shoes!

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #24.4 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:28 PM EST

                                          Go get 'em, George. Iran's east of here.

                                            #24.5 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 11:27 PM EST

                                            Iran elected a democratic leader ins 1952, we, the CIA at the behest of BP overthrew this elected leader in 1953 ad installed both the Shah and CIA trained brutal secret police. the Iranians rebelled and installed the Ayatolla in the 70's. WHy are they mad at us? Oh we also shot down an airliner fill of 236 civillians. and we occupy the countries to the east and west of them.

                                            Saying they want to kill us because we are free is BS.

                                            "why dont' they attack sweeden? switzerland?" Ron Paul.

                                            the most populous country for Muslims is Indonesia are we going to war there as well?

                                            IT's for money it's for oil. No more war. no more death.

                                            Ron Paul 2012

                                            Matt Papke

                                            USMC

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #24.6 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:17 AM EST
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                                            Bachmann is ... a Christian Fundamentalist. Not a very smart one, but none the less.

                                            Christian fundamentalists are just as violent, skewed, bigoted and unstable as Islamic Fundamentalists --

                                            Both are terrorists.

                                            Let me repeat: BOTH are TERRORISTS.

                                            • 6 votes
                                            Reply#25 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 8:53 PM EST

                                            No doubt...I think blowing up abortion clinics and shooting the doctors is terrorism

                                            • 9 votes
                                            #25.1 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:05 PM EST

                                            Christians and Muslims have been fighting for thousand of years.We will never be able to stop that.Ron PAul was right when he said that isreal could take care of their own problems and that we would stand beside them in whatever they decided to do.

                                            • 4 votes
                                            #25.2 - Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:52 PM EST

                                            Who isn't a terrorist these days???

                                              #25.3 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:11 AM EST

                                              Ron Paul said the Israelis could take care of their own problems and we'd stand beside them in whatever they decide to do? That's the first sensible thing I've heard him say about this subject. In that case, Israel should consider a preemptive nuclear strike against Iran.

                                                #25.4 - Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:45 AM EST
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