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Posted by:
Mr.Chips 06/12/2006 at
12:09
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Most of the postings would disappear I am sure of that. Never harmed anybody.
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When wound up and angry, I feel like I could happily throw kids out of the window for behaving badly, and rudely and without any social skills whatsover...
But I really don't think, as a punishment, I could cane someone myself, just wouldn't feel comfortable doing it.
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Posted by:
Auxilia 06/12/2006 at
14:32
"Never harmed anybody"
The comp where I went ditched corporal punishment after a pupil fractured a teacher's cheekbone immediately after the receiving the cane - so I beg to differ!
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Posted by:
badpower 06/12/2006 at
15:27
Kids in my school would take the cane from you and hit you back with it.
Quite rightly too
We have no right to hurt our pupils
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Posted by:
squizita 06/12/2006 at
16:19
My dad worked in a secondary modern in the 1960s-1970s. He rarely used the cane and did not like using it; nevertheless, friends who were taught by him and colleagues who taught with him (in the 70s) say he was a firm disciplinarian. He said the worse the caner, the worse the behaviour; kids used to hit them back, swear at them, run away.
It was just a way of letting of steam, not a punishment. He used to see 'daft' kids caned on a Friday for what would have got a glare on a Monday. It was one thing that really wound him up.
He told me that this 'kids took it like a man' & it 'kept control' bow locks was all part of the myth of the good old days. If a kid will risk a punch in the face to insult another kid's mum, that kid will not fear another form of violence.
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Posted by:
tismee 06/12/2006 at
16:30
I remember my grandfather saying
"take the cane out of the schools and you'll fill the prisons"
go figure!!!
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Posted by:
yapyap 06/12/2006 at
18:13
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i have to say, the state some of my kids get me in, i could throttle them, let alone give them the slap, so i for one don't believe i should have the power to so much as raise a finger, lest the red mist descend ad ill be done...
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Posted by:
bluedart 06/12/2006 at
22:27
I agree with Gillian Shepherd and Rhodes Boyston that behaviour probably would improve if it was brought back.
As to the pupil who fractured that teacher's face, borstels also existed at that time, and I hope he ended up in one.
Badpower - you sound a bit too pious. Given the near animalistic behaviour and the roaring anarchy I have witnessed in schools, and the abuse I myself have suffered from these louts, I can never be that prim and preachy about pupils' rights. I agree with Tismee's granddad.
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Posted by:
muso-tim 07/12/2006 at
07:05
I'm sure it would improve. Corporal punishment never deters the really naughty students, but deters the sheep. Staff would find that while Shane and Darren continued to lark about in the corner, it would stay in the corner rather than spreading to the whole class.
Nevertheless, it could never be reintroduced - society has changed too much.
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Posted by:
autismuk 07/12/2006 at
07:53
IMO the problem is not the use of it. It's the threat of it. The threat is sufficient to deter "the sheep" as it is so accurately put.
At present the sheep are told something like "adults can do nothing to you ; if they do something you don't like complain" (and they'll get into serious trouble).
It's the sheep that are the problem though. There are vastly more of them than there are the real problem children, who won't benefit from caning (and should probably be in Spec. Ed).
Probably correct that it cannot be reintroduced. However, some form of deterrent is required, and this, IMO anyway, needs to be something that the sheep will find unpleasant - and it will also need to be enforcable. There is no point in having a sanction that they can simply refuse to do.
What we really need is an attitude shift. We won't get it.
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