05/14/2010 09:07:41 PM EST

Where are the Fatwas?

posted by mr science

A point was raised by Cenk and Richard Eskow on the Friday's show about whether or not the muslim Imams and Clerics have condemned terrorism enough as being against Islam.

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Richard said he did a search on the web and found a bunches who did. Only there's a problem. Where are the fatwas against specific terrorists such as Osama Bin Laden and other Al Qaeda leaders? Why don't they name names? Who does get their ass fatwa'd? Salmon Rushdie, Theo Van Gogh, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Geert Wilders for blasphemy, that's who NOT Osama Bin Laden for terrorism.

So don't believe the hype. When the Imams condemn terrorism and say it's not true to Islam but don't name names and issue fatwas then they are just paying lip service to the west. Those in the muslim world understand this.
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Where are the Fatwas? | 19 comments (19 topical, 0 hidden)
That they are willing to issue religious edicts (none / 0)
against terrorism by muslims is a great start

This is from Al Jazeera (http://english.aljazeera.ne t/news/europe/2010/03/20103 21321826236.html) - Cleric issues anti-terror fatwa
Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri said there was no place for violence or terrorism in Islam [AFP]

A leading Islamic scholar has issued a fatwa in Britain condemning "terrorists" as the enemies of Islam, in a bid to deter young Muslims from extremism.

Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, head of the Minhaj ul-Quran religious and educational organisation, said suicide bombers were destined for hell as he released his 600-page edict in London on Tuesday.

"They can't claim that their suicide bombings are martyrdom operations and that they become the heroes of the Muslim Umma [the wider Muslim community], no, they become heroes of hellfire, and they are leading towards hellfire," he said.

"There is no place for any martyrdom and their act is never, ever to be considered Jihad," he said.

At a news conference, ul-Qadri said Islam was a religion of peace that promotes beauty, "betterment", goodness and "negates all form of mischief and strife".

"Terrorism is terrorism, violence is violence and it has no place in Islamic teaching and no justification can be provided for it, or any kind of excuses or ifs or buts," he said.

A number of edicts condemning extremism have been made by Islamic groups since the September 11 attacks on the United States, but ul-Qadri insists his is the most wide-reaching.

"This is the first, most comprehensive fatwa on the subject of terrorism ever written," he told the Reuters news agency.

by gatekeeper50 on 05/14/2010 09:15:42 PM EST

I'm not overly impressed (none / 0)
Why doesn't Osama Bin Laden get a fatwa specifically? That would impress me. I categorize these examples as basically lip service to appease the west.

by mr science on 05/14/2010 09:23:32 PM EST

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I also want to point out (none / 0)

Richard specifically named Sam Harris and the new atheists as those who spread misinformation about this issue. Fareed Zakaria started this video saying he too was complaining that the muslim leaders had not been doing enough to condemn terrorism. Not a new atheist or Fox News host that Fareed.

by mr science on 05/14/2010 09:30:30 PM EST

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I know where all the fatwas are (none / 0)
They are kept in the same place as all the denunciations by Rev. Robertson et. al. of anti-abortion murderers, gay bashers and anti-government bombers.

"No, you are a paid blogger assigned to counter anyone that posts something negative about the government or Obama." by Mcamelyne II on 05/17/2011

by Robrob on 05/15/2010 12:44:33 AM EST

Where are the Fatwahs (none / 0)

In Wah-Mart of course!

 

 

by MRFred on 05/15/2010 09:06:57 AM EST

Terrorism has done more harm than good to ISlam (none / 0)
Thats a fact! Terrorism has been used to demonize Islam. Trying suggest that Islamic leaders support this is completely absurd. Though I know many Muslims support these leaders because that absolutely despise America and their policies in the Middle East (which makes sense actually).But here in MOrocco he is considered as a joke but also a threat as the 2004 Casablanca bombing demonstrates. DOn't forget that the people who are the most hit by terrorist attacks are Muslims and Arabs in general and not CHristians or the "West".  

by sulmagnificent on 05/15/2010 09:56:09 AM EST

Islam does more harm that good to its followers. (none / 0)
What's the punishment for apostasy according to Islam? That's right, DEATH. At least in the west we can publish cartoons of Muhammad without fear of… oh yeah we can't. There were 200 honor killing a year in Turkey of all places. When the law changed to actually punish this despicable crime, "honor suicides" skyrocketed. Every woman who lives in these cultures is a victim.

But you avoid my question about fatwas. Why does Ayan Hirsi Ali have to have security everywhere she goes for fear of being murdered by some fanatic. Theo Van Gogh didn't have security and he was savagely murdered on the street just for making a movie. Forget about the fatwas against terrorists, how about lifting these fatwas. Ayan Hirsi Ali is a hunted woman for writing a movie. Is this just a fringe movement? I think not. Don't just brush aside this question. Would Osama Bin Laden still be at large if there was a fatwa against him?

No, not all muslims are fanatics, but extremism is a widespread problem in the muslim world, not just some fringe thing as the self-blaming PC liberals would have us believe. Muslim leaders need to put their money where their mouth is. I'm not holding my breath.

by mr science on 05/15/2010 10:40:48 AM EST

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Thats your opinion but here: (none / 0)
Don't tell me that Religion is the source of the conflict that is simply untrue. There would be no Islamic terrorism if the U.S foreign policy wasn't so f***ed up. Why did Osama attack the U.S? Because they are infidels? NO!! HE criticised American foreign policy many times before 9/11. The MUslim world is being terrorized by AMerica, ISlamic FUndamentalists, Corrupt dictators and Poverty and none of these can be blamed on Islam itself but rather the absence of moderate Islam, the same Islam that was in ANdalusia for over 200 years with tolerance. It matters on the people and not the religion.  ISlamic FUndamentalists is a direct result of American foriegn policy in the modern world and NOT the other way around. And the Muslim country that has the most DESPICABLE attitudes towards women happens to be Saudi Arabia! What are American attitudes towards that nation? Is it a coincidence that most of the hijackers of 9/11 were Saudi's? Plus there is a fanatic rate of just under 0.000001 in the whole MUslim world

by sulmagnificent on 05/15/2010 02:08:25 PM EST

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NO!!!! (none / 0)

What you just said is just untrue. Look at his speeches after the event of 9/11 and it'll explain what he wanted.

"Millions of innocent children are being killed as I speak. They are being killed in Iraq without committing any
sins, and we don't hear condemnation or a fatwa (religious decree) from the rulers. In these days, Israeli
tanks infest Palestine — in Jenin, Ramallah, Rafah, Beit Jalla, and other places in the land of Islam, and we
don't hear anyone raising his voice or moving a limb."(http://www.september11news .com/OsamaSpeeches.htm)

 

It wasn't to decapitate all muslims and muslims do not want to kill all Hindus, CHinese or French people, at least not all of them. Look at what I wrote and what the homocidal bastard wrote you impetuous bigot.

by sulmagnificent on 05/15/2010 07:05:29 PM EST

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retard (none / 0)
Not the ones who did no harm to them. I thought people who follow TYT actually had logic. I guess I was mistaken fucking idiot.

by sulmagnificent on 05/15/2010 07:36:25 PM EST

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Wait (none / 0)
I see how you made a mistake I'm sorry you thought I said Muslims want to kill only some Chinese, Hindus etc. what I meant was most Muslims DON'T want to do that. Wait why am I excusing myself in front of an illogical bigot with reason? Idoonu

by sulmagnificent on 05/15/2010 07:40:41 PM EST

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Discriminatory? I see (none / 0)

I see this guy is stuck in the illusion of a WWIII

the "free" world vs Muslims or "sand-niggers". People like you should just take their heads out of their ass and realize the real reason America is being attacked is because of its foreign policy and not because all Muslims want to cut off your head although I do. Did you notice that no non-arabs participate in terrorist attacks against the U.S while most Muslims happen to not be arabs? Do you not realize where these retards come from (hint Saudi Arabia, Cairo major pro-U.S states). How about your disniction on being ready to discrimate againt people against their beliefs? Is that really the AMERICAN thing to do? OF COOOOORSE like attacking Iraq for oil, supporting Israeli war crimes because of a lobby, attacking Afghanistan to find someone that is hiding in Pakistan, force out republics throughout the history of the Arab world and replace them with  corrupt impoverishing dictators and destroying the traditions of the Arab world for GREED. That is the AMERICAN way of doing things. Ignorant peice of sh*t of a bigot.

by sulmagnificent on 05/15/2010 07:31:07 PM EST

nope (none / 0)
Americans are fucking racist but Thank god not I'm Agnostic and of French descent. And I do want to cut your head off be careful :P

by sulmagnificent on 05/15/2010 07:44:28 PM EST

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Can I ask you a favor (none / 0)

When Ali Baba beheads you can I have one of your houses?

I'll even settle for the H2

by MRFred on 05/15/2010 10:21:41 PM EST

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You have a gift (none / 0)

The ability to alienate and  provoke thoughts of violence  in just about everyone you meet.

I can see where "multiple" homes would be helpful.

by MRFred on 05/16/2010 07:57:38 AM EST

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KooKoo for Kudos (none / 0)

You say this

Kudos for an EXCELLENT thread

Of course you cant resist throwing in a non-sequitur straw man proving your a hopeless troll, right wing hack and imbecile

I don't understand the logic of liberals who condemn all Christians for the acts of lone nuts like the guy who killed Dr Tiller, while at the same time defending American Muslims against broad generalizations of disloyalty.

Its patently untrue and you know it.

Just like your multiple homes, education, oil wells and the entire retinue of Texas size exaggerations.

You are a hopelessly transparent moron. Do you really think you will influence just one reader to vote Republican with "liberals" think all Christians are extremists ?

Are you that fucking desperate for a tax cut to prostitute what little bit of self respect you have left with that nonsense?

 You could care less about Christians, Muslims or anyone else other than Ken.

If there wasn't political angle that could even remotely benefit your bottom line you wouldn't piss on a Muslim or a Christian if they were on fire.

 

 

 

by MRFred on 05/16/2010 08:33:33 AM EST

Kenny's lack of COMPREHENSION (none / 0)
Limits his logic and ability to make valid arguments.

Seriously, how do you explain his retarded views of towards all muslims?
 
I know he mimics everything Rush tells him so we know he can digest talking points, but anything beyond a soundbite appears beyond his skill level.

How do you explain his habitually posting links to articles that actually disprove the very points he is trying to make?

It's almost as if he has comprehension dyslexia.
 
The comic aspect of it as he links with such pride, like a child who's learned how to poop in the potty instead of his pullups.

"Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid people, it is true that most stupid people are conservative." John Stuart Mill

by Hubble on 05/16/2010 12:43:17 PM EST

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Im practicing (none / 0)

Later this week the wife and I  will be doing some volunteer work in our church sponsored group home for the mentally challenged.

Debating with ken is an ideal way to prepare

by MRFred on 05/16/2010 06:23:19 PM EST

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Yes, Patently untrue (none / 0)

You post(s) are irrelevant to disproving  the absurdity of your comment.

I don't understand the logic of liberals who condemn all Christians for the acts of lone nuts like the guy who killed Dr Tiller, while at the same time defending American Muslims against broad generalizations of disloyalty.

It's absolute nonsense.

You cant deal wit the complexities of our world. You insist on reducing every single issue to nonsensical jingoistic sound bites.

You contention is that every single American Muslim is disloyal. Cenk, little Cenk and his entire family...terrorists

So apparently  "freedom" loving conservatives who are so concerned about individual freedoms  are quite satisfied with broad generalizations, suppressing the they  freedom you claim to cherish.

  • all blacks are lazy or criminals
  • all American Muslims are terrorists
  • all dark skinned people are illegal 
  • all women should stay in the home
  • all poor are lazy
  • all homeless are crack addicts and winos

Ridiculous.

Any thing for a tax-cut.

 

by MRFred on 05/16/2010 06:16:29 PM EST

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