By GameCentral - 27th May, 2011

Weekend Hot Topic, Part 2: Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4

GameCentral readers discuss when exactly they want to see a new Xbox and PlayStation console and when they think it'll actually happen.

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In just over a week's time, at E3, the Wii 2 (aka Project Café) will be unveiled - becoming the first eighth generation home console. But we wanted to know when you hope and expect to see the Xbox 720 and PlayStation 4?

Few readers (or analysts) are expecting any announcements this year and in fact the majority claimed they were perfectly happy with the current generation and saw no need for new consoles. Although many also thought they were inevitable within the next two to three years…

The ultimate aim
I know a lot of people (me included) feel that the latest generation of consoles are doing a great job of fulfilling our gaming needs and that there really is no need to rush ahead with the PlayStation 4 or Xbox 720.

Having said that I believe once gamers have seen a few videos or even screenshots of what the graphics will be like on the next generation of consoles, they will be immediately drawn to it. After all whether you like them or not, photorealistic graphics have always been what games companies have ultimately been trying to achieve.

The whole point of a new console is to make the previous one look like a bit of an old banger while turning your eye to their new 'super car' of a new console and they're having longer than ever to achieve that this time round. I know graphics aren't the be all and end all of a consoles, but it's usually the first thing you see when they're pushing it at you.

The graphics on the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 are fantastic but in all honesty you still can tell you're looking at a game. It's when they break through that barrier gamers will realise the current generation of graphics weren't that great after all. Which is quite possible if we have got to wait another three or four years or so to see it.

What I'm saying is I'm in no rush at the moment for the next generation but as soon as I see it, it won't come quick enough.
freeway 77 (gamertag)

Graphical cost
I'm not sure it's in the industry's best interests to chase huge graphical improvements right now. Surely this means only the biggest publishers could afford to make games which make real use of the power of the consoles, due to the time it takes to create the worlds we play in and fill them with detailed textures, etc. Maybe it would be better to try using extra power for smoother frame rates, more realistic physics, believably destructible environments and so on.

Maybe those things are just as time consuming and expensive, I don't know. Not that I don't appreciate good graphics, I think they're amazing at the top end of the console market as they are and don't see the need for new consoles for at least a couple of years.
Robbie Twin

Yearly update
I can't believe that anyone would ever not want a new console to come out. In my opinion they should be like the iPhone and iPad and a new console should come out every year. For say four or five years (about the lifespan of an average console) they could all remain backwards compatible and then you'd have a big jump into a sort of next generation model.

For me gaming is nothing without state-of-the-art graphics and no matter how much other people pretend I know a lot of people are the same. I'm already getting tired of current gen capabilities, especially when you compare them to what a PC can do when it's not restricted by console developers. I'd buy a PlayStation 4 or Xbox 720 tomorrow if they came out.
The Colt

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Still just the games
With Nintendo about to show off their new console in the next few weeks, I really hope Sony and Microsoft hold off on releasing a new system in the next two years at least. I just feel that the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 are just reaching their peak, and I don't feel the need for an upgrade any time soon.

I can understand Nintendo wanting to upgrade their hardware, as the Wii is looking really long in the tooth now, and even some smartphone games look better graphically. But the HD consoles games still look good, and with releases like L.A. Noire showing what can still be done with the ageing platforms, the need to upgrade seems unnecessary.

There is also the fact that Microsoft and Sony are only now starting to make a profit from their games divisions, so surely they wouldn't want to upset their bottom line by pouring billions of pounds into bringing out a new console at a financial loss? There is also the spiralling cost of games development to consider, at this tender post-recession age.

When they do upgrade the console line, I'd hope that the PlayStation 4/Xbox 720 would be able to play the previous generations' games, including online, with seamless PlayStation 3/Xbox 360 friends lists, that would enable you to still contact and play with mates on the older platform. I'd hate online to become fractured with some friends on PlayStation 3/Xbox 360 and others on the newer console.

Obviously the graphics will be improved, and I think photorealism should be the aim, as we're nearly there as it is, and any slight improvement just wouldn't be worth releasing a new system for. I also hope they stick with physical media, as any download-only console will be dead in the water, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm intrigued by the rumours that Project Cafe will have controllers with screens to enable you to play your console games on the move, and I think this will be the next evolution of the home console, that you can play it while you're away from the TV, and perhaps even your home.

Whatever the next gen gives us, the main thing is the games, as without new experiences new hardware is irrelevant.
Cubes (PSN ID)/Cubes73 (Steam & Game Center ID)

Body scanner
I have to admit I am starting to get a little restless with the restrictions of the current generation and its graphics. Ironically it's L.A. Noire that I think is the biggest advertisement for starting the next generation now, even though it's a real technical milestone on the current systems.

But imagine what the game would look like if they'd been using that MotionScan technology on a more powerful console. They could've scanned a whole body and had faces that were even more realistic (and less ugly). Maybe they could've even got the noses right.

I think five years is about right for a console's lifespan and I for one would vote with my wallet if new machines came out (not that I think they really will for a while).
Blasto

Pie in the sky
I thought there wasn't going to be any more consoles after this generation? Wasn't the idea that cloud computing was going to take over and things like OnLive would mean all you needed was a controller and an Internet connection and they could update the hardware whenever they liked at their end, and it wasn't anything to do with you. That way it'd be like getting a new console every day, kind of.

My understanding is they're already testing OnLive in the U.S. and it's coming here soon so the technology is obviously out there and working to some degree. If Sony and Microsoft just stick to their 10 year promise for the current consoles, then by the time they're used up it should be cloud computing all the way.

Now if only I could work out whether that was a good thing or not…
Tim James

Motion against
I don't see that there's any need for a new console from anyone except Nintendo. The Wii is getting old and you can see an obvious need for new graphics. But that's what should be driving the decision, not because some arbitrary five year time limit is up.

The Xbox 360 has already expanded its horizons with Kinect and, well… Sony sort of tried with the half-assed Move. It's ideas like that and… you know, good games, that can keep the current HD consoles going for years without the need to buy new ones.

I'd much rather see them concentrate on more 3D games and making proper use of motion controls than just randomly making a new console with slightly better graphics.
Finbarr

Who dares wins
I'd like to be the sensible one and say that the graphics are good enough, and it's going to be too expensive to make games for new consoles and blah, blah, blah. But let's face it everyone loves a new console really and I love things to get really crazy with how realistic they look. Besides it might be the only way to convince Activision to make Call Of Duty with a new graphics engine.

I say bring on the next generation, there's nothing ever to be gained by being a coward and all those reports about EA and Ubisoft and what not setting up next gen studios proves it's all going on anyway.
Pilot

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    12:41 PM on 5/30/2011

    Randy

    Yeah no backwards compatibility would be a travesty. I imagine though that they will as the current gen are firmly rooted in HD format, unlike the previous gen where games on PS3/360 were emulated and upscaled (rather badly).

    It's not time for a new gen yet. I think the Wii 2 is necessary but the rest can wait a few years. I still reckon theres a little bit of untapped potential left, and once thats acheived, maybe some innovation and less military online shooters.

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    9:29 AM on 5/30/2011

    Tron

    Bad Billy Whizz raises a VERY good point, but I'm sure that Xbox Live purchases will transfer to any new Xbox. MS seem to actually think about these things. Shame that Nintendo don't and I lost all my downloads when I replaced my broken Wii. It's still a sore point and has resulted in me not buying anything else through the Wii, which is a shame because that's where the best games are.

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    7:22 PM on 5/29/2011

    Bad Billy Whizz

    Forget graphics etc..What I want to know is if these new consoles will be properly backwards compatible.For example, all of the things I have purchased on Xbox live , old school games such as Pacman ,Smash TV, my hard drive is choca with these types of games amongst more modern classics like geometry wars 2.Xbox live should run seamlessly between the old and new consoles.Because if you think Im going to pay for downloadable content twice for the same thing, well you can shove your next generation where the sun doesn't shine

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    10:28 AM on 5/29/2011

    two macks

    ive just bought an onkyo av reciever tx-nr609 which comes with 4k upscaling,which is what the next gen tv will use,so i guess so will the new consoles,so its gonna be another new tv to buy as well as new console,which is a bank breaker.

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    2:52 AM on 5/29/2011

    BANGER1987

    It doesn't even seem that long ago that the 360 and ps3 was released, I dont think it would be a good idea to have any new consoles any time soon, we are waiting years for good games to be made, we would be waiting 4 years just for one game with super enhanced graphics.

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