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Sandy Hook: The Evidence Compiled - In One Place. What do we KNOW for Sure that ISN'T Hearsay?

So far I've seen dozens of conflicting stories. I've seen some very convincing theories of actors playing roles. I've seen some fairly conclusive evidence of look-alikes... I've watched a police trooper threaten to PROSECUTE people putting out "disinformation."

I have not seen ONE SHRED of evidence that any kids are dead or that the Sandy Hook massacre even happened. All we have is hearsay - in a court of law that doesn't mean a darn thing.

So tell me what evidence have you seen that these kids died and haven't been shipped off to... god knows where?

ONE REALLY HELPFUL bit of evidence would be the security cam videos of Adam Lanza going through the school shooting people. Why hasn't this been provided to the public? That would certainly dispel many "conspiracy theories."

Edit 12/22 - 11:34 AM
Well it looks like we're hitting a nerve asking for proof and finding nothing but proof which discredits the official story. The trolls are coming out in full force and in one case (which really depressed me) actually got someone on here who is on my friend's list to jump on the "Vince is an agent" bandwagon. I guess we're to the "then they fight you" stage. Hopefully winning is just around the corner.

The text outside this edit has not changed other than I moved one paragraph from below to above this edit.

Some trolls are stating that I am calling for the public display of dead children. I can't be responsible for how your brain works. If what I am calling for above somehow translates to "show me some dead kids" then I'm definitely not qualified to help you with that very serious mental disorder.

When I say trolls - I mean these people who comment on here negatively without providing any SUPPORTING evidence. They want YOU to just believe the official story WITHOUT QUESTION. How many of you here are going to DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD?
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If you're going to comment negatively on this post and not participate in the gathering of ACTUAL EVIDENCE be forewarned... I'm going to call you an IGNORANT SHEEP.

If you're going to down-vote this post without commenting so we know who you are... when you look in the mirror KNOW THAT YOU ARE A COWARD and an EMBARRASSMENT to me and a lot of others here that you would ever call yourself an AMERICAN.




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Interesting compilation of info here:

http://coupmedia.org/terror-threats/newtown-shooting-coverup...

The law cannot make a wicked person virtuous…God’s grace alone can accomplish such a thing. Ron Paul - The Revolution

Setting a good example is a far better way to spread ideals than through force of arms. Ron Paul

New question

Another look at Chuckles, the Medical Examiner

An excellent analysis and review of the testimony. When you see it in print, it gets even more odd.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-sandy-hook-school-massacre-...

Carl Miller will teach you what you want to know. Watch his series "Know Your Constitution."

What I'd like to know

is what EVIDENCE has led to the determination that Adam Lanza supposedly killed his mother? I'm amazed at the general acceptance of this theory when Adam's body was found at the school. There's also evidence that Adam's mom's car was NOT EVEN AT THE SCHOOL... it was Chris Rodia's vehicle - unless you want to make the incredible stretch that the vehicle on the wrecker (because nobody claimed it) is not the same vehicle as the one in the video where the cops are locating the Bushmaster in it's trunk.

The only evidence/video/images that I've seen CONFLICT with the official story that Adam killed his mom or at the very least bring "reasonable doubt" into the equation regarding that theory.

Either you're with us... or you're with the sheeple!
The National Debt is Owed To You!

Yeah, I smell a rat about Nancy, too.

I am bothered by the way she is not counted as a victim, lost in all the media blitz of a community FULL of people with amazing strength, get on camera and laugh and smile - when they just lost a child, at Christmas time.
Anyway, they thing with Rodia needs proof that the car is Rodia's. He very well may have been driving somewhere else in the area and gotten a ticket at the same time that car was being run. The call-ins are different voices - listen closely.

Carl Miller will teach you what you want to know. Watch his series "Know Your Constitution."

Does no one find this interesting,

DENVER, CO, October 31, 2012 -- A new group of actors is now available nationwide for active shooter drills and mall shooting full-scale exercises, announced Visionbox, Denver's leading professional actors studio.
Visionbox Crisis Actors are trained in criminal and victim behavior, and bring intense realism to simulated mass casualty incidents in public places. http://www.dailypaul.com/267498/anyone-need-actors-for-a-dis...

HELL ,,, Is taking that last breath,,,, and knowing you were not the person you said you were! (Gerald Celente)

"Interesting" is not the word I'd choose

Somewhere between "alarming" and "disgusting."
But I encourage folks to focus on "hard evidence." The scanner shows they knew about the "long guns and shotgun" first. Where did the "hand gun" story come from?
Who is Sally Cox, the "school nurse" interviewed on TV? She is NOT an RN, as required by CT law.
Who was in cuffs in the car when the man interviewed pointed at him?
Who was cuffed in the woods?
Who was "proned out" behind the school?
Most important, WHO OWNED THE CAR?

Carl Miller will teach you what you want to know. Watch his series "Know Your Constitution."

Sandy Hook Hoax...

Here's another video of acting:
Nurse Sally Cox of the Sandy Hook Actors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCirUV519Rs

Also not sure this was posted:
Sandy Hook Hoax "Medical Examiner" Wayne Carver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV3KYBS64R8

Sandy Hook Crisis Actors Or Just LIARS ? - Gene Rosen PHD?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rH1etCHhmQ

Extremely Odd Picture of 'Teacher' Lauren Rousseau
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/survive-war-dies-te...
Note: Similarities of 9-11 actors oddly carrying framed portraits & pics around everywhere.

There are a lot of diversions going on to confuse people and direct people away from media fakery:
Diversion #1: Multiple shooter theory
Diversion #2: Lookalike theory (Tony Hawk/Robbie Parker)
Diversion #3: Chris Rodia
Diversion #4: LIBOR connection

All these theories are perpetuated mainly by cointelpro 'truthers' that serve to divert, distract & confuse.

Despite all the noise, it's interesting to try to figure out how this was all executed.. some families moved to Sandy Hook within the last couple years.. it's possible some families are entirely made up. Some families do seem to have residences there and that's what I'm trying to figure out.. Is this a small town taken over by a number of spook families? A small intelligence community mixed in with desperate b-rated actors earning a good buck? That wouldn't surprise me. The actors (if not part of intelligence) are living, breathing players in this deception. Why not part of the intelligence community? I remember reading the NSA HQ in Ft. Meade has 18,000 parking spaces and has a movie theater in it's complex.. The HQ is a small city and I figure people want to get outside every once in a while and test out there acting skills... (yes yes I know the NSA is supposed to only work on foreign intelligence. Keep trusting what your government tells you.) So all you DPers you probably have bumped into one or a few people in intelligence...living, breathing, players in this deception and most probably have exchanged conversation with some online and in these threads... Oh wells, hopefully we can convince more and more people and even those in intelligence that it feels better to live in truth, justice and freedom rather than live a life of lies, injustice and tyranny...

"Not the victory but the action; Not the goal but the game; In the deed the glory."- Hartley Burr Alexander

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

Critical thinking could eliminate some of these diversions

For instance, the video you posted of Gene Rosen goes to great lengths to show he's a real Sandy Hook citizen, who really owns a pet sitting business there.

And they demonstrated that he really does live close enough to the school that it's plausible children came to his yard.

But no...they don't want you to believe he is a real person talking about his real life in Sandy Hook! Believe he is a paid VisionBox actor...who conveniently also happens to live in Sandy Hook. Obviously he has a long commute to Colorado for his actor training, and it's a remarkable coincidence that he actually lives right in Sandy Hook.

But they want you to believe that the Powers That Be bungled the stage play so badly that they allowed ALL those other VisionBox actors to get interviewed, and DP detectives are standing by to expose the OBVIOUS deception, they will take the names of these actors and do Google searches and figure out who is fake and who is real. Even if an actor seems real, as Gene Rosen does, they will conclude he is just an actor. He apparently told one lie, they caught him in that, so now whatever they want to postulate about him, no matter how non-existent their evidence is, is substantial enough for their YouTube audience to take seriously and debate.

Sandy Hook Hoax: Gene Rosen Theatrical Actor Is CEO For CTV21

Sandy Hook Hoax: Gene Rosen Theatrical Actor Is CEO For CTV21 Newton Ct Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoiAUrY_OcM

Did I ever say Rosen was a VisionBox actor? Pseudonym you seem to like to put words in my mouth. I also clearly stated my theory that this most likely is an intelligence operation with operatives who are doing the acting.. undercover intelligence merely act as other people all the time anyways .. many have PSEUDONYMS.........
Anyways, intelligence operatives taking over parts of Sandy Hook to make it a Sandy Spooktown.... geez.. they've probably gotten to most of the media anyways.

I agree with Simon Shack who says:
"All this cannot be coincidental. The 9/11 perps have been caught with their pants down faking 3000 victims - and this is their way to perform damage control. As you can see, the very same TV anchors/reporters who were drafted to play out the 9/11 hoax are involved with these recurring 'mad shooting' hoaxes: Diane Sawyer, Rick Leventahl, Matt Lauer, Katie Couric, Anderson Cooper - and a few more. It's a pretty exclusive/clannish niche of perps, if you think about it. I mean, doesn't America have hundreds of news media personalities? How come only this handful of grossly overpaid news people (each one of them reputedly making $10/15million+ a year) keep popping up at all of these psyop events, on and on - and on again ???"

http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=1521&start=240

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

Putting words in your mouth, eh?

I wasn't talking about you, I was critiquing the video you posted about Rosen, the content of which I loosely supposed that you subscribed to...and which indeed explicitly proposed that Rosen worked for VisionBox.

Now they discovered there is more to the story and he probably wasn't working for Vision Box...but do I get any credit for realizing that was improbable right off the bat?

Of course not.

It is compelling to learn that he is indeed an actor and a CEO and a psychologist and a pet sitter. WTF?

Ok sorry I take back 'words in my mouth' statement..

It seems you were addressing the video, but the video suggests that he is acting like a 'crisis actor' not necessarily from VisionBox, from anywhere. The title of the video is: "Sandy Hook Crisis Actors Or Just LIARS ?" They don't make a declarative statement. They just make people aware that crisis actors exist and they act like Rosen does.

Just curious but what made you use the handle pseudonym, because the very nature of military intelligence psyops online or in real life depend on the use of pseudonyms.....

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

4:41

"Gene have you ever heard of Vision Box [crisis actors]? Because your statements sound like HOG WASH."

So we differ regarding what's being implied there. Now, some people here at the DP have accused me of "sniping" because I'm not on board with 100% of the theories and demands being batted around about Sandy Hook. For example, the "end the life of Adam" command doesn't sound like that to me, so I have to get down-voted for maintaining my stance there.

But at least they didn't fly off the handle entirely and start jabbering that I might be MILITARY PSYOPS.

"...because the very nature of military intelligence psyops online or in real life depend on the use of pseudonyms....."

You realize that about 99% of the people here are using pseudonyms, including you? I just decided to make mine slightly humorous for the nerds in the crowd who get my joke.

#EnglishMajor

Rosen may live there but he

Rosen may live there but he is acting - that is obvious from watching his horrible performances.

Proof please?

You appear to be making a statement of fact here:

All these theories are perpetuated mainly by cointelpro 'truthers' that serve to divert, distract & confuse.

Unless you can provide evidence of this... you should probably preface that statement with "I believe."

Either you're with us... or you're with the sheeple!
The National Debt is Owed To You!

No. Just my opinion and theory.

There's no need to write 'I believe'. If you ever want to declare your opinion with conviction, leave out the 'I believe' every chance you get.

BTW isn't it contradictory to believe in actors/no blood/no victims/psyops AND believe in multiple REAL shooters much less a single REAL shooter?

A major part of a psyops is to deceive, divert, distract, divide, & confuse...

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

uh huh

"BTW isn't it contradictory to believe in actors/no blood/no victims/psyops AND believe in multiple REAL shooters much less a single REAL shooter?"

Without facts

we can only speculate. All theories become plausible. There is no need to masturbate ones mind with conjectures when we do not have facts. Relax, save your brain cells while you are alive instead of calling others bad names.

For example, "bad actors" story.

A. If I, as a parent, had found my kid alive, I would be smiling ear
to ear. Call me names, please.

B. The one who laughed first then pretended to be sorry. It is plausible that parents were given strong medications to releave their emotions. Some side effects may cause mood swing one find hard to control without taking time to focus.

Interesting choice of words you use ...

There is no need to what my mind again?...
...and 'save your brain cells while you are alive'
What is that supposed to mean? No really.

9-11 Media Fakery: Did anyone die on 9-11?
http://www.cluesforum.info/

http://www.septemberclues.info/

9-11 Actors:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aPvJSQtmoE

Pysops.. media.. actors.. propagandists... disinfo agents.. fake videos.. fake photos

No man

There is obviously deception every time the wind blows.

Errata-rife premises

The post is dense with statements that each require elaboration and which are poorly amalgamated into paragraphs with no intelligible thesis. Each one of your statements can be refuted or dismissed on its own. Furthermore, your position is not the natural result of skepticism despite your insinuation of the contrary, rather it is a clear result of confirmation bias.

Numbers represent paragraphs.
1
You say you've seen conflicting reports - so what? That doesn't mean anything on its own. Either you're insinuating something which you've not made clear or you are purposefully stating useless information. This also has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of this paragraph.

You go on to pose two examples of non-evidenced hypotheses without divulging your sources - this despite your demand for evidence from others. Actors playing roles? Look-alikes? Really? You don't believe a shred of the 'official story' (even that anything occurred in the first place) but you readily believe random theories with zero (even circumstantial) evidence? You are not a skeptic. Those positions rely on a hierarchy of information which has not been substantiated in any form. How can you be skeptical of the event ever even occurring but express an eagerness to believe something even less substantiated? That's clear confirmation bias.

A police trooper threatening prosecution also has nothing to do with that paragraph or the rest of your post. It's a statement with no functional purpose and you're either insinuating something which you've conveniently left out (because it's not a defensible position) or you're just interested in saying things that are irrelevant.

2&3
So what? This is not a court of law and it's not granted that every crackpot theory will be refuted nor that every positive claim will meet any form of empirical or even rational evidence burden.
Show me some evidence that there isn't a teapot orbiting Saturn.
Proving a negative requires ridiculously exhaustive research, such that it is idiotic to even attempt. It's much more logical to seek to prove a positive, which you haven't done, and begging questions like the one here makes you look like a crackpot with a confirmation bias, not like a skeptic who is merely 'doubting the official story.'
Doubt is not the primary content of your post by a long shot.

4
The real question is why is it even necessary? If your answer is, "To prove that the government didn't fabricate everything or kidnap children with some mysterious aim..." then this only reaffirms that you're a pretender.
To answer your question - even though you probably have no interest in the answer - if there is footage of a couple dozen five-year-olds being murdered with an assault rifle, it's pretty clear (at least if you're approaching it rationally rather than assuming that meeting your burden of proof is the most important thing) that there would be several pertinent reasons to not release such footage.

In your edit you demand evidence regarding 'negative posts' which I find laughable considering the nature of your own post. Evidence of what? I'm assuming you'll consider this one a negative post because I find you to be making an incredibly weak case while disingenuously asserting various unsupported assertions. For the record, I'm not down voting you because the action is fruitless to me. I don't care if people see your post or regard it however they wish, the actual skeptics among us will continue NOT coming to conclusions without evidence, NOT making silly assertions, NOT disguising our intentions, and NOT distracting people with useless, contentious topics like this. Until you actually have evidence of wrong-doing or a real, substantiated counter-story, it's entirely POINTLESS to engage in this discussion, especially in the manner in which you've done here.

And this whole notion of 'Oh, well, I'm just asking questions,' is a farce. No, you aren't. You have clearly come to conclusions, you're just not presenting them concisely or firmly as one should.

I didn't bother to read past the first few words...

As soon as you got to "but you readily believe random theories" I realized you were just making chit up to fit your desperate attempt to discredit me for asking inconvenient questions.

Stuff like that discredits your entire comment. Post a link to any comment where I've stated that I "readily believe" anything about this event... you can't... because I haven't commented as such.

Lying has a tendency to discredit you. Lying when the evidence that you're lying is readily available is just plain stupid.

Either you're with us... or you're with the sheeple!
The National Debt is Owed To You!

Then your response is uninformed and useless.

Your very own first paragraph is full of stupid insinuations. Words have meanings and it's unfortunate that you believe that only others are capable of propaganda and not yourself.

"So far I've seen dozens of conflicting stories. I've seen some very convincing theories of actors playing roles. I've seen some fairly conclusive evidence of look-alikes..."

"Convincing theories"
"Conclusive evidence"
Words have meanings.

I have no problem with inconvenient questions. I have a problem with people pretending they're 'just being skeptical' when they are clearly not. You can go on believing that anyone who ever disagrees with you is your enemy rather than honestly evaluating, I'm sure you'll accomplish a lot.

The answer is simple

- going to youtube and parrot mind of other people you trust is easy than think.

Here is a page (DUPLICATE POST)

that evidences a lot of the initial confusion related to reporting. Perhaps someone with enough time can finetooth comb through it and find another 30 questions to ask. Those familiar with the site history can also find a lot of useful links from the 'Sandy Hook' article's history. Please give it a try people:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sandy_Hook_Elementary_Scho...

ADD: nobody commented as to the usefulness of these links. I like the 30 questions from Veteran Times via the Vancouver 9/11 project but is there noone who wants to compile the Big List??

But that man should play the tyrant over God, and find Him a better man than himself, is astonishing drama indeed!~~D. Sayers

There is no difference between an authoritarian government from the right or the left...F. A.Schaeffer

Thanks.

I appreciate all efforts to get info in one spot.

Carl Miller will teach you what you want to know. Watch his series "Know Your Constitution."

Listen to the police radio comment at 22:55

"End the life of Adam" spoken softly but clearly

around 22:55.

Is this a cop giving this order? If so WHO is it? It almost sounds like a hypnotic suggestion or a hypnotic phrase programmed to trigger the response of killing Adam, like Derron Brown demonstrates in his hypnosis video on how to create an assassin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETkrxfYoQtc&feature=player_em...

mumble mumble "at 'em"

Nothing is clear there.

facts and the substantiating evidence

Well Vince, a bit of healthy skepticism has its place and time. Facts and evidence when established will have to be persuasive indeed.

The media loves to run their mouths in the meantime by informing us with their opinions based upon controversy no matter what the subject That's the nature of their business and how they remain in business, take it or leave it

“Don't you believe in flying saucers, they ask me? Don't you believe in telepathy? — in ancient astronauts? — in the Bermuda triangle? — in life after death?
No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.
One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of unrelieved negation, burst out "Don't you believe in anything?"
Yes", I said. "I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I'll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.” ― Isaac Asimov

“What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.” ― Christopher Hitchens

and then you die

there can be no truth with a controlled media

Standard operations is not to build a airtight story. .. it's to continue the lie until people give up and move onto the next story.

They aren't really trying that hard to fool you. ... they want you to step forward so they know who you are.

I WROTE IN "RON PAUL"