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Scientology’s “Disconnection” Policy: Music Lovers, This One Will Break Your Heart

Mario Feninger

Mario Feninger

Scientology’s reputation for cruelty, for embodying the concept of a “bully,” is well earned. But few of its acts of inhumanity have affected us like the story we have for you today.

It involves a man who is renowned for his skills at the piano, a teacher who has been hailed for his technique by such well known students as Chick Corea and Tom Constanten.

And now, at the age of 90, the man’s church has compelled him to cut off all contact with a pupil who had been helping to support him financially. Why? Because that pupil dared to walk away from Scientology.

In order to tell this story, we first need to revisit briefly our previous pieces about the late legendary acting coach Milton Katselas and the man who replaced him at the Beverly Hills Playhouse, Allen Barton.

Allen Barton

Allen Barton

As Barton told us two years ago, Katselas spent the last few years of his life bewildered by the attacks being made upon him by Scientology through a wealthy church donor named Grant Cardone.

Katselas was a Scientologist, and his acting school became a famous recruiting ground for actors into the church. But Barton told us that Katselas wasn’t really interested in recruiting for the church, and as he grew older, Katselas also became less involved in Scientology. In 2003 or 2004, he says, the church went on a kind of “jihad” against Katselas, as former students like Jenna Elfman began to cut off ties with him because he wasn’t, in the eyes of Scientology leader David Miscavige, sufficiently devoted to the cause.

Milton Katselas, 1933-2008

Milton Katselas, 1933-2008

Barton himself stopped his involvement in Scientology in 2002, and he watched in dismay as Katselas was subject to increasingly vitriolic attacks, particularly a 2007 smear campaign led by Cardone. The next year, Katselas died.

Barton, who had started working at the Playhouse in 1993 and became its CEO in 2003, took over as its majority owner after Katselas’s death. Barton says the Playhouse is going very well as a business, and Katselas would be happy to know that it is still thriving. A few of the actors associated with it are Scientologists, Barton says, but the days when the Playhouse was a recruitment center are long behind it.

Besides running the Playhouse, Barton is a theatrical director and a pianist. And he ascribes much of his success as a musician to his teacher, the legendary piano instructor, Mario Feninger.

Born in Cairo, Feninger became a celebrated performer in France and Italy. He also became involved in Scientology at a very early time, and got to know L. Ron Hubbard personally. Barton believes that Feninger was involved with bringing Scientology to Paris and opening up the original “org” there.

Feninger has long lived in Los Angeles, and in the late 1990s, Barton went to him for lessons.

“He changed my way of playing. And he changed my life,” Barton says. “He’s a sweet guy, and we became very close.”

Here’s a sample of Feninger’s superb playing, showing that he’s maintained his skills late into life…

After 2002, Barton says, Feninger was aware that his pupil had decided to stop participating in Scientology.

“He knew that I’d pulled away from the church. And we were open about that with each other. He’s a tolerant person. It didn’t affect our relationship at all.”

When Feninger ran into some trouble, Barton says he was glad his teacher came to him.

A young Mario Feninger, from his website

A young Mario Feninger, from his website

“Six weeks ago, he came to me, needing money. I was glad to provide it. He said they were shutting off his utilities, and he needed food. So I put a check in his hand and told him I’d send money every month,” Barton says. He also offered to get others to help, but he warned Feninger that they, like Barton, were people who had left Scientology.

“He said, ‘that may cause problems for me.’ So I told him, if that causes you problems, then I may cause you problems,” Barton says.

“He said, ‘I understand. Let’s try this.’ So I sent him another check since then.”

On February 10, however, Barton received a card from Feninger. Inside it were the two checks, uncashed, and this message: “I can no longer communicate with you. Please come back [to the church].”

“I know that’s money he desperately needs,” Barton says, but he blames the church for ordering Feninger to “disconnect” from him because Barton is no longer in the church, and has been “declared a suppressive person” — church jargon for excommunication.

“It shows what a lie it is that people decide on their own to disconnect from other people. The truth is they will force disconnection on people, even a 90-year-old man who needs the assistance,” Barton says.

“I called Mario this week. He confirmed to me that he had to disconnect because I’ve been declared suppressive,” Barton says. “I told him I loved him, told him he changed my life as a musician, and after I hung up, I knew it was probably the last time I’ll ever talk to him.”

The Underground Bunker has tried numerous times in the past several days to reach Mario Feninger by telephone at his home without luck. We also sent a request for comment to Scientology spokeswoman Karin Pouw. If we hear from her, we’ll add her statement to this story.

“It’s so indecent that they would interfere with a relationship like this,” Barton says. “I got out of this church in 2002 for the same reason. They told Milton, you must disconnect from these people. It was outright thuggery. That’s when I took myself out. It’s just outright thuggery. It’s insane.”

Barton says he couldn’t keep what had happened to himself. “These bastards told him he can’t talk to me and can’t use that money. I was so pissed, I put that thing on Facebook.”

On February 11, Barton went public on his Facebook page: “My 90-yo piano teacher of the last fifteen years just sent me a note saying he’s cutting all communication, because his church doesn’t like me. Good thing my Steinway isn’t a member, or I wouldn’t be able to play anymore!”

As Barton’s friends began to react, it was clear some of them didn’t know which “church” was being referred to.

Then, soon enough, some people still in the church showed up and began criticizing Barton for going public.

Said one person: “I’m thinking this probably didn’t need to be shared on Facebook. Just a thought.”

Said another, an actress: “Wow! Just to be uber clear, the Church of Scientology has NO ‘Disconnection Policy.’ Wherever you have heard this, that is a lie. They offer a tool to YOU, if YOU decide that someone in your life is harming you and you can not HANDLE the problem using communication or various other ways to solve the situation, then you perhaps can consider disconnecting from them to prevent your own survival from being damaged. If your piano teacher is ‘officially disconnecting’ from you before trying to solve the situation, he’s missed the point. That’s his issue and not the Church’s. I’m tired to the bone of people spreading erroneous ‘data’ about Scientology based on a few people’s personal complete misunderstanding of tools therein.”

Uber_Clear

Barton responded to the actress, saying that he’d seen many people forced to disconnect, and that it’s very clearly a policy in the church.

She answered back: “I have never heard of anything like you mention ever from anyone at the Church. If you’ve been declared an SP you probably have an inkling why, and there are things you can do to rectify it, should you so choose. Good luck with whatever path you take. I’ll bow out here.”

A day later, the woman disconnected from him, Barton says.

“One Scientologist told me privately that of course disconnection exists, but you shouldn’t talk about it publicly. It’s upsetting to Scientologists and confusing to the public,” he says. “The other Scientologist denied that disconnection exists, but within a day had disconnected from me.”

Two weeks since his announcement on Facebook, Barton still hasn’t heard from his old teacher, and he wonders how Feninger is getting along. And his anger over the incident hasn’t dissipated.

“I’m very pissed. It makes me want to communicate it in as brutal a way as I can. It’s all just so unnecessary,” he says.

 

CODA: The Bunker just wants to add, on a personal note, that back in the day, this was the kind of story you would find on the front page of the LOS ANGELES FREAKING TIMES, and not on the blog of some dude in New York City.

We know things are tough at the formerly great newspaper out there, but it was once the leading journal of all things Scientology. Doesn’t it bother anyone there that so many Los Angeles Scientology stories are broken here rather than in the city’s supposed paper of record?

Somewhere, Sappell and Welkos must be shaking their heads.

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Posted by Tony Ortega on February 26, 2013 at 07:00

 

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  • BosonStark

    Allen should answer the phone, “Allen Barton, Suppressive Person, how can I destroy you?”

    In that way, he could avoid any uncomfortable situations when dealing with clams.

    • villagedianne

      “Allen Barton, Suppressive Person, how can I destroy you?”
      LOL!

  • Chocolate Velvet

    Hey! The Master is on cable today, and I have the afternoon free until I pick up my young ‘un from school.

    Later, y’all!

    • mouseyhair

      Ya!! I was just going to look on my local cable too! Working tonight but will have big screen to myself after!! Party!!

    • stillgrace

      I have a listing for “The Master” on pay per view. Unfortunately, it’s not the one I want. It’s the 1984 movie with Lee Van Cleef and Demi Moore. How cruel of my cable company.

      • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

        That just hurts.

    • SandiCorrena

      what channel?

      • Chocolate Velvet

        It’s in the movies on demand menu.

  • RandomSP

    I feel ya, Allen. I recently found out that I have been declared – in absentia, as it were. This is creating problems for my “in” friends and I see that my Facebook friends page is showing the strain. I have been informed by at least one friend that they must disconnect from me. Under protest, but they must disconnect. I thought about showing them remarks by Scientology spokespeople like the one posted here that the Church “has no official disconnection policy” but that will serve no purpose because that is a lie. There are two official disconnection policies in Scientology.

    1) Scientology states that the SPs “only terminal” is the International Justice Chief. While I believe it is a misinterpretation, that is interpreted as “no Scientologist may speak to the SP.”

    2) Even more damning are the PTS Types A-J. PTS Types A-J cannot be accepted for training or processing. “PTS TYPE A, a person intimately connected with persons (such as marital or familial ties) of known antagonism to mental or spiritual treatment or Scientology.” While theoretically the PTS person has the option of “handle or disconnect”, I doubt they would be allowed to take the “handle” route due to the above “only terminal” requirement.

    In other words, the Scientologist might have the option to remain in communication with a declared SP but they would be ineligible for further training or processing. To the Scientologist, that communication will cost them “their eternity”.

    • http://twitter.com/sandyshores50 Sunny Sands

      Sorry to hear this is happening to you, RandomSP. May you have twice as many new friends as old ones.

      • RandomSP

        Thank you. I have been blessed with many good friends since leaving Scientology. I also still value my Scientologist friends – even if they can no longer speak to me.

        • BuryTheNuts2

          Hopefully some of those Scientologist friends will be joining you sooner rather than later.

    • Missy Wog

      What does eternity look like to a Scientologists? Eternity to a Christian is in the kingdom of heaven yadda yadda.. I’m still so confused about this for Scn.
      Tony, maybe one day do an I depth article on this?

      • RandomSP

        I imagine it is a future of floating around the universe without need of a physical body and helping Ron clear this sector and all the sectors of this universe. Followed by a wonderful eternity of artistic endeavors creating new universes and what-all. With coffee and cake.

        • http://www.facebook.com/gayle.smith.3994 Gayle Smith

          What kind of cake?

          • Espiando

            The cake is a lie.

            • EnthralledObserver

              Oh, bloody hell, I would have been only in it for the cake…

      • 10oriocookies

        A billion years of fair game, disconnection and fraud. Sounds good eh? After that you come back as a clam for another billion. The next billion, well, if you an answer to that, you must wait, because the answer hasnt been released yet.

      • http://www.facebook.com/bob.gravlin Bob Gravlin

        This link from Jeff Hawkins blog may be of interest Missy

        http://leavingscientology.wordpress.com/2011/03/02/the-transcendental-future/

    • blissfulldreams

      if a person can just walk away from a friend partner loved one with out a backward glance all for the sake off a so called “Religion” that abuses them constantly then they themselves are not worth having in your life and sadly to say your the only one who really cares that you will have lost love and contact, a day will come when they realise but by then you won’t give a dam

      “Hug’s” it will get easier just like AA “one day at a time”

      • RandomSP

        Thanks for the hugs :-) but I will always care and always be here for them if they need me.

    • aquaclara

      Sorry for your loss…wishing you all the best, and many new friends who understand. Disconnection is hurtful and sad, remaining a damning legacy of this evil cult. And as far as your Facebook-post away! It is possible some will see that and be encouraged to take the next big step.

  • mook

    can we get a hint as to who the Scibot actress is? (I have an idea who it is, but I may be wrong)

  • sizzle8

    If I were in LA, I would see about organizing a fund raising concert for Mario.

    • blissfulldreams

      why so he can give it all to the church

      • sizzle8

        So you wouldn’t show any kindness to a 90 year old who can’t pay his bills?

        • blissfulldreams

          from what the story said:

          [“Six weeks ago, he came to me, needing money. I was glad to provide it. He said they were shutting off his utilities, and he needed food. So I put a check in his hand and told him I’d send money every month,” Barton says. He also offered to get others to help, but he warned Feninger that they, like Barton, were people who had left Scientology.

          “He said, ‘that may cause problems for me.’ So I told him, if that causes you problems, then I may cause you problems,” Barton says.

          “He said, ‘I understand. Let’s try this.’ So I sent him another check since then.”

          On February 10, however, Barton received a card from Feninger. Inside it were the two checks, uncashed, and this message: “I can no longer communicate with you. Please come back [to the church].”]

          if this guy’s money was not Good enough due to an abusive religion why do you think mine or for that matter yours would be any good, he had someone who wanted to help him out he basically told him to fuck off did you miss that part of the story.

          so no i would not show any kindness to a 90 yr old who obviously does not want it

  • DeElizabethan

    Thank you Allen Barton. I am pissed right along with you. I’m happy that you put this Truth on FB.

  • Johan

    As another commenter here said earlier, sometimes you have to throw in the towel when someone resolutely refuses to see what is blindingly obvious lest you go completely crackers. Reading the delusional aggressive astoundingly stupidly insane Facebook comment from ms ‘über clear’, makes my hands do involuntary neck wringing moves in the air in front of me though…..

    • q-bird

      oh! I did not want to laugh today… and you went and made me Johan.

      Gosh thanks!

      • N. Graham

        If you don’t want to laugh, here’s something you should know: Unless you take Scientology very seriously, it is hard not to laugh daily at something in this blog.

    • MarionDee

      I hate how she uses “uber.” It’s an overblown, bullying, bloated word–much like the church itself.

      • 1subgenius

        Never mind the slightly Nazi connotation.

  • 1subgenius

    I’m still freaked by the Grant Cardone involvement.
    I guess I had heard that before, but filed it away. Rabbit hole and all.
    If you didn’t hate him before, this is enough.
    By my understanding Milton K. was not a horrible person (despite being a recruiter), so for a no account low-life, no talent scumbag like Cardone to shit on him is way beyond forgiving.
    Milton K. accomplished something in life.
    Not so for Cardone, other than scamming, which does not count.

    • FistOfXenu

      Freaked but I hope you’re not surprised. I mean look at him. Doesn’t he look like the kind of asshat that would do anything to promote his own interests? And doesn’t he look like the kind of guy that would have to take on somebody weaker than he is? An old man is just about his speed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/seven.oaks.581 Oaks Seven

    Fuckin’ A, Tony — about everything you and Barton are incensed about: Scientology’s disconnection policies and practices, the stupid, eyes-shut-tight actress who posted on Barton’s FB page, and the castrated L.A. Times. Pussies, all! And to Mario Fenninger – I know you from back in the day when you had gonads. We all get old, but we don’t all lie down and die. Stand back up and be a man. You’re the one who decided to let the cult roll over you. You think you’re ensuring your freedom by letting them take yours away from you?

  • mook
  • Missy Wog

    I wonder if there will

  • Missy Wog

    What are the chances that a Scientologist will be holding a fundraiser dinner for Mario in a few weeks? for the PR, sanctioned Blythe church to proove us and this article wrong?

  • It All Comes Out

    No doubt scientology has got its venomous tentacles deeply entangled at the LA Times and that’s why there’s no effective scientology reporting there any more. I’d love to read an exposé about how they’re controlling that media outlet. Bribery, blackmail, threats, killing pets, stalking the children, spreading lies to damage reputations – what else is in the arsenal?

  • SandiCorrena

    Ya’ll know there is a “David Miscavige Leader of Scientology” Fan Page on Facebook right? No fan has posted anything on it since 2/10 – is it worth it to share stuff there you think? I posted a “where is Shelly” comment there recently that is still there; I was inspired by Tory on that one.
    I just finished Greg Bashaw’s letter to Debbie Cook and others from My Billion Year Contract……had to take a break there; just wow wow wow. And then todays story of elderly abuse!
    Daily with every little bit I learn the loop that plays in my head is TC saying it’s an honor to call yourself a schientologist-and I just want to……well you can probably imagine

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    Mario would have had to join the AFM (Amer Federation of Musicians) in order to perform in the some of the venues he did. Since he was a career musician, he would have built a vested pension fund. Or should. I wonder if Allen can ask him if he has this? Maybe he does and forgot? There are other benefits as well.

    http://www.afm.org/why-join/u-s-benefits

  • TheHoleDoesNotExist

    for those of you who still want to help him, he is still selling autographed piano keys, as well as CD’s and DVD’s.

    He and Ian Brooks still seem to be giving master classes.

    http://www.mariofeninger.com/collectible.htm

    http://www.mariofeninger.com/bio.htm

    LAist photo gallery of his 88th birthday party at the Feninger-Brooks Piano Institute.

    http://laist.com/2010/07/29/mario_feningers_88th_birthday_brook.php?gallery0Pic=3#gallery

  • Sherbet

    Off topic — Poison Ivy, I left you a message at the Rodeo, under Favorite Commenters.

    And the rest of you — Buy her book! It’s a witty little dish about the TV industry, and I’m lapping it up!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      I got it too…..I’m loving it!

    • AstroLadyBoy

      Sherbet, I understood she didn’t want to ‘out herself’ on the blog, so I thought the book info was only revealed to a few (privately)?
      I bet it’s a great read. She is an awesome writer and very insightful person.

      • Sherbet

        I thought we all knew “Poison Ivy” wrote a novel, but the details (like author’s name and book title) were revealed only at the Rodeo to interested persons. I didn’t “out” her.

        • AstroLadyBoy

          No, wasn’t suggesting you had – was seeking to clarify if it was still the case as I read her mention that about a month back and wondered if she’d changed her mind.

          • Sherbet

            Astro, PI is still keeping it fairly quiet, but she’ll tell anyone who wants to know, but not here on the blog. If you’re interested in the details, ask her next time you see her on this blog, and she’ll arrange to give them to you privately. I think she doesn’t want to use this venue to publicize the book, since it’s not related to scn and it’s a personal achievement. None of us is here to brag!

            • AstroLadyBoy

              Cheers Sherbet :)

            • Sherbet

              And to you, AstroLB!

  • 10oriocookies

    I got my first taste of disconnection yesterday. I guess true friends stick by you through thick and thin. People’s true colors shine through when you have a disagreement about religion.

    • BuryTheNuts2

      Sorry to hear that Eric. Not surprised. But sorry.

    • SandiCorrena

      You got a lot of love here though and you’ve got the might of right coursing through your veins now!

    • aquaclara

      Aah-so rotten. Sorry, Ten. We love you and feel for you as you go through withdrawal of a particularly nasty kind. I do think some of your former friends don’t understand. Yet.
      First taste of disconnection-has to be painful.
      True friends and new friends ARE with you through thick and thin.
      Wish it were better.

      • 10oriocookies

        I went into this whole thing prepared for it so its not that much of a shock. I definitely appreciate all the kind words and warm welcomes. There’s a whole LOT happening on the Narconon front. They dont know it yet, but its coming…….

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

          You are doing a tremendous and difficult job. I’m so glad that you are here with us.

        • aquaclara

          I, for one, look forward to this! So happy you are here with us! I am so interested in what comes about on the Narconon front. What a wealth of knowledge you are! Hope your own healing is coming along, too. There are many here-exes and never-ins-who care deeply about your own recovery from the cult. Your contributions to the protection of others lured into the cult are substantial.
          Looking forward to seeing narconon pulled down into the undertow when the storms prove too big for Davy to fight.

        • TheHoleDoesNotExist

          When you remove the invisible wall of scientology you will suddenly be able to “see” your true friends.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBeU2utihwM Deckard Cain

      True friends are ones that stick by you regardless of your religion or political beliefs. Having the same religion and/or political beliefs as your friends may make the friendship easier but it really shouldn’t impede a true relationship with someone.

      • Roger Larsson

        To be Good without a dot behind Good is Good

        Godfathers as LRH and DM in the Crime syndicate of $cientology have dots behind themselves
        and they aren’t Good.

  • XeNude

    Tony, you should google Alice Wu. Girl from Taiwan who CoS Austrailia allegedly held against her will recently. Poor girl even shattered her hand trying to smash a window to escape. Pretty sick stuff. Basically it’s a Lisa Mcphearson situation, except this one lived.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Robert-Eckert/100002715429426 Robert Eckert

    Impossible to read through this whole thread– by the time I got to it Disqus was already overloaded to its wobbly state. But wow! This story seems to have rubbed everyone’s emotions very raw. I hope everyone is still friends tomorrow. Love you all, the ones who are very sad and the ones who are very mad alike.

    • sugarplumfairy

      ditto that, Robert..

  • Missionary Kid

    O.K., let me get this straight. $cientology, which claims that it produces superior minds and is able to do all sorts of super-duper mind stuff, claims that psychiatrists are evil and pump patients with all sorts of drugs and use violent electroshock treatment, could do not, with all of its superior techniques, keep a person from trying to commit “suicide.”

    With their superior brains, they couldn’t sense that this was about to happen, and they claimed she was mentally ill. Isn’t $camology supposed to cure mental illness?

    Oh, I see. She was mentally defective or ill when she became affiliated with the Co$. Again, couldn’t they detect this with their super duper powers of observation and control when she walked through the door? Oh, so she was only seen by someone who hadn’t developed all of the power and control that Co$ offers.

    So what $camology really looks for in bringing someone into their warm, cozy (oops, cosy, because this happened in Australia) environment is someone who is neurotic or in crisis or just curious. If you’ve got real problems, go elsewhere.

    Fuck ‘em. I hope that the Tiawanese press has been notified, (and briefed on Co$ history) especially any stringers that they may have down under. The Co$ methodology is to isolate a person from their family, which is disorienting enough, but it looks like now they are isolating recruits by dropping them into a completely different culture, where they either don’t speak the language well, or are under the control of their paranoid hosts.

  • sugarplumfairy
    • DodoTheLaser

      About time. Thank you, Fairy! Loves.

  • 1subgenius

    I’ll just leave this here.
    Caption contest?

    • sugarplumfairy

      Proof of life, post-co$?

      • 1subgenius

        His manic grin is creepin me out.

        • http://www.facebook.com/jeb.burton.50 Jeb Burton

          Wanna buy a used car? No? How about some non corporate Scientology?

    • sizzle8

      Is this a form of Fair Game?

    • aquaclara

      “I rescued my pooch from the Cult of Scamatology. Now, we’re a happy family once again!”

  • sugarplumfairy

    This has probably already made the rounds here, but I missed it.. So, just in case anyone else missed it as well..

    http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/02/on-the-atlantics-scientology-ad-and-aftermath/273447/

    • DeElizabethan

      Thanks much, I had missed that.

  • dbloch7986

    http://www.scientologyslavery.com

    Thought my new blog post might tie into the idea of lack of compassion in Scientology.

    • DeElizabethan

      I couldn’t put on comment, but will try again tomorrow. I certainly can relate to your well written story. Love you.

  • wannabeclear

    I can completely understand why Allen Barton is angry. I am angry and I don’t have any skin in the game. The most disgusting part of it is that Allen was willing to provide the financial support that Mario clearly needs, but “the church” will not lift a finger or offer any sort of financial support. They’ll instead insist that all Mario needs is to get more involved in their bullshit and all of his problems will magically disappear. It’s sad that he is so deeply indoctrinated that he would disconnect from someone with whom he obviously had been so close and that he will do this to his own detriment, returning money that he needs to survive. How charitable of $cientology. If this is what clearing the planet is all about, give me SPs and disaffected apostates all day long…

  • jensting

    While we talk of scientologists victimising others, let’s not forget that the LRH mind-fuck induces a confused state of mind where the victim victimses themselves.

    Quoted from Marty quoting an obviously delirious clam:

    “LRH
    had lectured in the mid 50s about how he didn’t really know why it
    worked, but when a person who was having trouble with his spouse,
    received problems processes auditing on the spouse, the spouse ceased to
    be trouble. The EP of the modern day Suppressed Person rundown is that
    the terminal antagonistic to the PC originates a friendly communication
    to the PC! The reason for this is that when you have two terminals (or
    even the PC himself with a postulate/counter-postulate) with equal force
    holding a problem in place, when one side of the problem is unbalanced
    through auditing, there’s nothing (or much less) force to keep the
    problem in suspension. This results in the terminal(s) on the other end
    of the problem feeling compelled to communicate to the PC.”

    In other words, you have to be on the lookout for anyone who’s friendly because they’re probably trying to “suppress” you. It’s this kind of mental prison that the criminal organjisation known as the “church” of $cientology instills in its victims and on which the organisation relies.

    • Roger Larsson

      There must have been a time when suppression didn’t exist. The prior confusion that made suppression to a reality was a when Hubbard barbequed critics on an open fire instead of their criticism.

  • DodoTheLaser

    It’s sadly ironic and very telling how “SP’s” and critics are more concerned about current scientologists and their well-being than their fellow members. Sigh.

    • DeElizabethan

      Hi big Bro! Sure are right about that. What a wonderful bunch of fine people here on the Bunker.

  • koki

    what a sad story.
    Karin will reply (if she do it) : we dont do that,we have never done that, in fact we have stop doing that last mounth!

    sick laying layers that constantly lie!!!

    big hello from LRHs Bulgravia.

  • John Ratcliff

    If every scientologist would do the most common sense thing in the world and simply tell the Church to f**k off every time it tells them what to do with their personal life these problems would be over in short order. If the Church tells you to disconnect from someone, tell them to f**k off. If the Church tells you to clean a bathroom floor with your tongue tell them to f**k off. If the Church tries to ‘sec-check’ you and asks you deep and personal questions tell them to f**k off. This is just simple common sense and showing the tiniest bit of personal integrity and self respect. It becomes difficult to sympathize too much with people so brainwashed they do what they are told to do, blindly, by this absurd cult.

    • Mera

      i agree with everything, except the sec check part – unless it’s being videotaped or the auditor is using “stenographic note taking” instead of what they’re supposed to do and just note the questions asked and the meter reads and whatever other minimal data. then it’s a big f**k off.

      and any cultishness about it is only because the group allows it. it REALLY doesn’t have to be like that. those i call my friends in the church – on staff and in public are far far far from cult-like.

  • HelluvaHoax!

    There is a simple mandate in the mad scripture of L. Ron Hubbard that explains this tragedy playing out around Mario Feninger:

    “We’d rather have you dead than incapable” (L. Ron Hubbard, from the HCO POLICY LETTER “Keeping Scientology Working”).

    Incapable of what, one might ask? Incapable of following orders. Incapable of being a psychological and financial slave.

    I fear that Mario may soon experience to Scientology death sentence handed down to all those who prove “incapable”. Under attack by the cult, artists like Mario and Milton Katselas and Isaac Hayes have a very short life span and seem to vanish from existence within a year or two of disconnection & fair game being employed to literally destroy their livelihood. Didn’t Milton die within a couple years of such attacks? Didn’t Isaac Hayes also die within a couple years of being ordered to disconnect from very gainful employment with South Park after they aired their infamous “In the Closet” Xenu episode?

    Despite the enfilade of lies spewed by corrupt cult spokespeople, the policy really does mean EXACTLY what it says. They really would rather have you dead than incapable. Literally dead.

    Scientology, at its core, is vengeful and hideously destructive. The only people who don’t “know how to know that” are Scientologists.

  • Mera

    i’ve been a scientologist since the early 90s when i was sea org for a couple of years. it was not difficult for me to leave.

    i don’t stay away from critical media because i like to know what’s going on, what my non-scientologist friends are encountering in the media, and because i can think for myself; generalizations in either direction are harmful and lies.

    i’m a basics books and lectures graduate. was the best thing i’ve done for myself as a scientologist; i haven’t done a whole lot else of scientology as i tend to do it in spurts, when i really, really want to, some really fantastic and helpful auditing here, some awesome courses there.

    i’ve been offlines for two years. i have a favorite org, which i don’t live near. dear friends are staff there. one of them helped save my connection to my non-scientologist family, despite the fact one of them is declared SP. a few years after that, i let her know that i am in touch with that family member again. she let me know there is no disconnection policy in the church and i let her know we both know that’s not true. she didn’t push the issue. i trust my friends on staff there and i’ll get back there some day.

    this idea that any emotion is negative is a total and blatant lie that did not come from hubbard. i forgot which lecture he said it in – and i really don’t care that i forgot the name of the lecture but someone else might and accuse me of having a misunderstood; i don’t care – but hubbard makes a point of saying that MISEMOTION is different than EMOTION and when someone dies or there is some other loss, it’s NORMAL to grieve, when something is funny, LAUGH, etc, etc. there absolutely have been suppressive people in the church – on staff and in public – who have, by contagion of aberration – succeeded in twisting the tech and what it means to be a scientologist. any of you who fell for it, boo freaking hoo, get over it and DIFFERENTIATE and come to present time for goodness sake. it was YOUR choice to go along with any madness you’re now complaining about. hell, i did it myself – not the blanket smile and “EVERYTHING’S GREAT!” even when it wasn’t; but there were other things i went along with that i shouldn’t have….but who did it? i did…. There’s this fantastic drill i did as a sea org member years ago that has stuck with me ever since, called “flap your hands” and you stand there and flap your hands like mad, the person who’s running the drill then asks “who’s flapping those hands?” and whoah, i was. eye-opening. and if you don’t get it, think about it for a moment. we all — me, you, you, you and you — at some point adopted the know best viewpoint. we knew better than non-scientologists therefore it’s okay for us to [fill in the blanks] and therefore it’s okay for us to allow ourselves be intimidated by those who apparently knew more than we did – who were more enlightened, of higher rank, etc. but let’s face it. right there where any one of us decided “i know better than the people out there”, we wrote our own ticket to living in a bubble and to being the adverse effect of whatever anyone we decided knew better than us wanted to create. FLUNK. on all of US.

    so, cry, patty, yes, please cry, because this mario-barton story is awful, but if you’re crying, don’t cry for yourself. slap yourself on the forehead and get over it. but don’t generalize. and don’t blame the church for your condition.

    i believe we play games with ourselves and with others and utilize others to carry out the game. this is a very old concept that predates scientology – as hubbard himself acknowledged in his books creation of human ability and fundamentals of thought – by thousands of years. i began to face this during those books on the basics and this truth hit home afterwards, when i did the How to Confront and Handle Suppression course: everyone i had ever
    pulled in, good and bad, were fulfilling a purpose in my life that i couldn’t manifest on my own. honestly, in hindsight, i’ve yet to have met a suppressive person that i didn’t, in my gut, desire in my life for the sake of caving myself in over something. looking back on the various suppressive people i’ve encountered in the church…every single one of them served some purpose i had for myself. yeah. i’ve not had the false purpose rundown. so don’t try to tell me this has been fed to me in some brainwashing during auditing.

    anyway, people, LOOK, don’t listen – not to each other and not to the noise in your head. live and learn, stop being victims, all of you.

  • DeElizabethan