BBC payoffs saga grossly unedifying, says Margaret Hodge

MP who chairs public accounts committee tells corporation bosses that management structure is 'broke'

Link to video: Ex-BBC boss Thompson gives evidence to MPs over £1m payoff

BBC bosses were told the corporation's management structure is "broke" after a committee of MPs heard a "grossly unedifying" list of claims and counter-claims about who knew what about huge pay-outs to senior staff.

Former director-general Mark Thompson, one of seven witnesses called by the public accounts committee, was forced to deny a charge that the BBC had "lost the plot" when it gave a pay-off of almost £1m to his former deputy, Mark Byford.

MP Margaret Hodge, who chairs the committee, told those present that the meeting was a "grossly unedifying occasion which can only damage the standing and the reputation of the BBC".

She said: "At best, what we've seen is incompetence, lack of central control, a failure to communicate for a broadcaster whose job is communicating.

"At worst, we may have seen people covering their backs by being less than open. That is not good."

Earlier in the hearing, she asked Thompson why Byford needed an extra payment when he was contractually due about half a million pounds, saying: "Why was £500,000, which is for most people mega bucks, not enough?"

The BBC's HR boss, Lucy Adams, also came under fire after she said the payment was part of a plan to cut numbers of senior staff without causing too much disruption – leading Hodge to tell her: "This attitude that the top cadre of people at the BBC faced greater difficulty when they faced redundancy rather than a receptionist or someone lower down is offensive, just offensive."

In another heated exchange, Hodge told Adams: "I'm not having any more lies this afternoon."

The HR boss, who announced last month she was quitting the BBC, told MPs at an earlier hearing she had not seen a note detailing plans for pay-offs to Byford and marketing boss Sharon Baylay – but later admitted helping to write it.

Following the suggestion that her evidence should be taken with "a pinch of salt", Adams said such an inference was "grossly unfair" and she had been confused about what document the committee was referring to.

She said she "immediately" clarified the issue, but then admitted not telling the committee until 2 September after giving the mistaken evidence on 10 July. "It's a very funny interpretation of immediate," Hodge said.

In another barbed comment after Adams asked to see a leaked email in which she allegedly referred to a severance package as a "sweetener", Hodge said: "You are developing a habit, Adams, of changing your evidence after the hearing."

"That's unfair, that's really unfair, madam chairman," Adams said.

Thompson told the committee that in his view Byford's severance package represented "value for money" and said he had been under "ferocious pressure" from the Trust to make savings by cutting senior staff.

Marcus Agius, former chairman of the BBC executive board remuneration committee, also described the pay-off as "value for money".

But Hodge told the former banker the committee "were astounded you took that view", saying: "The shareholders of the BBC are the licence fee-payers and I cannot for the life of me see how you can justify these levels of redundancy payments."

Thompson said the decision for Byford to leave the BBC with a total payout of £949,000 was part of a move to axe senior executives which would give the BBC annual savings of £19m and he believed he "had the full support of the BBC Trust" to order it.

Hodge said people were looking at BBC management in "dismay" and asked Thompson if the BBC had, under his management, lost the plot.

He said: "I do not think we lost the plot."

In written evidence published ahead of Monday's meeting, Thompson accused BBC Trust boss Lord Patten and trustee Anthony Fry of "fundamentally misleading" committee members at a previous hearing when they told MPs that members of the Trust were not always included in decision-making.

Lord Patten said he took the charge of misleading the committee "very strongly" and said his induction to the job included no references to severance pay and a media briefing he was given before the publication of the annual report said pay-offs to Byford and former marketing boss Sharon Baylay were "contractual payments".

He said: "I'm in the position in which I'm accused of having misled the committee on something I didn't know and couldn't have been expected to know."

Hodge said the evidence suggested the governance of the BBC was "broke".

She said: "We all around the table feel it is broke. What are you going to change?"

Lord Patten cast doubt on any move that would see communications watchdog Ofcom regulate the corporation, saying: "I can't imagine handing the regulatory power to Ofcom and Ofcom wanting to be involved in remuneration."

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