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The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right

By Jeffrey Lord on 9.4.09 @ 6:10AM

Who knew him, who cleared him, what rules were ignored?

As a former White House aide myself, there are two incidents that tell me Glenn Beck is right in asking his questions about Van Jones. Two incidents that ask an even more serious question than anything asked about Jones himself.

The question: What did the Obama White House know about Van Jones and when did they know it?

Jones, the Obama White House “green jobs” adviser, is getting in deeper trouble by the minute with revelations of his radical statements about being a Communist, having been twice arrested, and, in the last few hours, with news surfacing that he had signed onto a petition accusing the Bush administration of being responsible for 9/11, making him, in the vernacular, a “Truther” — one of those paranoid nuts who believes George W. Bush ordered the 9/11 attacks. All this is before the amusingly crazy piece of videotape of Jones labeling Obama’s GOP opponents “A-holes.”

Jones, almost by the hour, is being belatedly vetted by the New Media because the Old Media took a pass — and the White House itself had no intention of speaking up until called upon.

You must be asking: is it really this easy to work at the White House? Can you really have done a jail stretch, actually been twice arrested (once during the Rodney King riots and a second time during the 1999 free trade riots in Seattle) and work in the White House? Can you even get into the White House when you have a history with the police?

Let’s take that last question first.

In the way back of the Reagan White House, the word went out as it always does in any White House that there was to be a quick gathering which would require the President to have an immediate, physical audience while he gave a speech in front of cameras. This happens all the time in the White House. Events occur, things happen, someone somewhere in the hierarchy feels the need to get the President in front of cameras ASAP. The staff hops, calls go out to local political friendlies, bodies fill chairs and the President speaks on camera to a room filled with people.

On this particular occasion I received just such a call. Taking out a lengthy list, I picked several names at random, many of whom I did not know, and began dialing for bodies. No one said “no.” Who says no to an invitation to hang out in the White House with the President?

My calls made, invitations accepted, an hour — an hour — before the event, I got a call from the Secret Service. Guest X (no name, sorry) was not acceptable to the Secret Service. I was astonished. Never in four years in the White House had I ever been told such a thing. This must be a mistake, no? No, came the Very Stern answer. Emphatically no. On a confidential basis the reason was explained to me. I winced. Gee, I had no idea. The police? Yikes.

Hanging up the phone, the clock ticking, I realized I had two options. Get the President to personally overrule this — or track the guest down pre-cell phones and disinvite. Not much choice there, so Option Number Two it was. The call went immediately to the guest’s home. The guest was retrieved from getting in a waiting car that about to head to the White House. I was mortified.

To the guest’s everlasting credit, I was off the hook in the gentlest of fashions. The guest knew the record, but of course. In fact, the guest was amazed that any White House invitation would be forthcoming, because the police record was indisputably the record.

To say the least, this was a startling if unexpected reminder of something that I and every other person who had contact with the White House — then and presumably even more so in this post-9/11 — knew.

No one enters the physical White House as a guest unless the Secret Service has vetted them.

But it was also a sharp reminder of the ground rules for everyone who actually has the privilege — and that word is key, here — the privilege to work for a president of the United States.

As I had personally experienced — as every single one of my colleagues had experienced — if you work for the president, you assent to making your life an open book. In my case, and that of my Reagan colleagues of the day, very thick forms had to be filled out that recounted, specifically for security purposes, almost every single aspect of your personal life. As I recall, I had to supply the literal address of every home where I had resided since birth. Really. They wanted everything.

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Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.

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Sarah Cohen| 9.4.09 @ 6:41AM

Not only is Glenn Beck right, he is correct. This is all your fault Glenn.

Appleby| 9.4.09 @ 7:02AM

There is only one answer to all these questions:

YOUARACIST!

The End.

Melvin| 9.4.09 @ 7:18AM

We the people cannot and must not depend on any form of media to vet political appointees. This whole brouhaha about Mr. Jones would have never even come about if the Constitution was followed.
These, "Czars" wield immense power and answer only to the President, but not the American people.
Either the Constitutionality of these appointments and the power of these appointments to conduct and implement domestic and foreign policy was either overlooked or just ignored altogether.
Now Mr. Jones is attending the, "Oprah" circuit of media apologizing for his bigoted remarks and believing that 9/11 was a domestic conspiracy.
We the people have no recourse in having our
grievances redressed with any of Mr. Obama's Czars.
If any of these Czars make a horrendous mistake that has the propensity to effect millions of Americans, who holds them accountable, Mr. Obama, the Congress or the Senate, the Supreme Court maybe?
We all know the answer to that one don't we? Absolutely no one. Mr. Jones is an avowed Communist and is not shy of wearing Communism on his cuff. He can call a certain political group of Americans after a body part in our nether regions of our body and thats OK, but I bet they had a good laugh over at the White House during afternoon cocktails on Wednesday. Rahm must have laughed himself to the point of stabbing a wooden table to death with a steak knife.
The reality of this whole Van Jones thing with Glenn Beck, calling fellow Americans Sphincter
muscles, and publicly stating and signing a document that 9/11 was an inside job is the prevailing attitude that the White House has towards We the People.
Someone smarter than I needs to challenge the Constitutionality of the appointment of these Czars right now, because that is the only way that we the people will get rid of the green jobs sphincter muscle and all the other Communist sphincter muscles that have infested Capitol Hill.

David Vincent| 9.4.09 @ 7:27AM

How does one adequately communicate profound disgust? --- which is my visceral response to "Appleby's" comment. Absent a thoughtful or intelligent response, "ignorance" attributes all dissention to racial motivation. To quote a great man: "I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." Ah..., character matters! Well, never mind... The questions surrounding the Van Jones appointment are valid, and the probable answers are quite disturbing. I grieve for this country that I love so dearly. My family has been "Americans" since coming to Rhode Island in the 1600s. Woe to us!

Don L| 9.4.09 @ 7:27AM

Shhhh! Don't tell everyone, they're just resting after drinking all that nice Kool-aid.

America dead because its people are dead.

Big J| 9.4.09 @ 7:39AM

Glenn Beck is doing a fantastic job of exposing the crooks pulling the levers. Like him or not, I recommend supporting him. He (along with Michelle Malkin and others) are doing the heavy lifting that the so-called media are unwilling to do, at great peril to his career and physical safety.

Thank you, Glenn Beck!

Kitty| 9.4.09 @ 7:58AM

We now live in an oligarchy.

I've been watching Beck for months. He's done a yeoman's job of exposing the ugly truths of these people.

What I want to know is, How do we, as Americans, fight this? What can we do?

And for those who live in California, did you know that Meg Whitman loves Van Jones?

http://rightwingnews.com/mt331....._jones.php

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drudge ette obama| 9.4.09 @ 8:19AM

Is Appleby really saying people are racists if they expose a racist? Or is he saying Van Jones is a racist? Can't tell from him post- it's not clear.

Melvin, nice post. We, the People, must do the vetting on the Czars rather than the legislative or executive branch, during the Obama Term. That is exactly what is happening right now. Keep on, keepin' on.

Appleby, work on clearly communicating your points. Advertising research indicates that ALLCAPS DON'T GET THE ATTENTION THE USER WANTS. PEOPLE IGNORE THEM. TOO HARD TO READ. Try upper and lower case.

megapotamus | 9.4.09 @ 8:26AM

The answer to the hows and whys is quite simple. To the Obama crowd, nothing in Mr Jones's background is in the least regard noteworthy. His resume is right in the middle of Harvard race theorists, anti-Americans, commies, unionists... just who the Obies want in harness. Like Ayers, it is not that his past must be scrubbed generally but just for the rubes. That would be you. And me. I echo the plaudits for Beck. Like Hannity, he is no rocket scientist but this stuff is not rocket science.

Mattled| 9.4.09 @ 8:28AM

Stop the media, stop Obama.

We need a national movement to boycott and defeat the news media.

They are nothing more than a mouthpiece for Obama.

zzyzxroad| 9.4.09 @ 8:30AM

Appleby, I'm not sure what you mean by your post either, but my own opinion is that "Youaracist" is the response that will be coming from the democrats when asked these questions.

Ran| 9.4.09 @ 8:31AM

Mr. Lord,
Thank you for the article. Mr. Beck raised another, more deadly question a step behind the Special Advisors: Precisely WHO is it writing Congress' legislation, and precisely what is in it? Rangel's pathetic admission of "two days and two attorneys" and Beck's pointing to 'Stimulus' authorship by groups related to the Tides Foundation are, frankly, chilling.

Though, really, we're assured that we have little to fear... Bartlett of Squish reminds us that Beck is merely a manipulator of extremist right-wing emotions.

Well, Bartlett of Squish is correct in my case... I do get all emotional when radical Marxist organizations write legislation that my Congressman and Senators haven't read and yet insist is "good for the country." But that's just me being a silly puppet.

Le Cracquere| 9.4.09 @ 8:51AM

Whoosh!

Ladies & gentlemen, I believe our Appleby was making a funny: he was just doing an impression of the left's likely response to the Jones dust-up. Yeesh.

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 9:05AM

Wow. Mr. Lord, are YOU stuck in the dark ages or what? Very cute, your assuming any rules of decorum or tradition or respect for institutions still apply to presidential politics.

You think you are being SCANDALOUS by obliquely intimating that Obama might have – gasp - approved of a gangsta like Jones being in the White House? Hellooooooo! Obama WANTS people like this around him. It’s WHO OBAMA IS. Jones wasn’t approved in spite of his record; he was approved BECAUSE of it. Wake the hell up, you white-glove conservatives.

The rules ALL changed with the coronation of our first hip-hop president. Hip hop culture draws in no small measure from the thuggish conventions that were forged in America’s raw urban slums. It is the romanticizing – and lionization – of the ghetto’s Lord-of-the-Flies mentality vis a vis the mundane middle class decorum practiced by the pampered bourgeoisie. The Vanilla Drudges that comprise the “ancien regime” spend most of their time safely insulated in the protective bubble-wrap of dreary suburban values – values that are invariably scorned by rebellious youth, counter-cultural trendiness and, of course, the newly-ennobled gangstas, pimps and hoes themselves.

The hip-hop culture’s hallmark is a harsh, aggressive, rude style of in-your-face interaction, always punctuated by a crass materialism, a worship of instant gratification, an ostentatiously unapologetic avarice, and a bullying sense of entitlement that have been folded up neatly, given the stamp of “authenticity” and enshrined in our pop culture by our ever-so-wise children, “ageless” hipsters and, of course, “caring” liberals everywhere. And its impact on civility and the decorum that used to dictate dignified human interaction has been like hydrochloric acid on tender skin.

Lest I couch it in too much politically correct obfuscation, it’s about blacks “getting paid” by whites. It’s about the tribute white guilt pays to The Law of the Jungle because, of course, it is WE who are to blame for creating this zero-sum, primitive, parasitic, brutish mentality. I lived – barely - in NYC from '85 to '95. I used to go on long walks because I love the history and architecture of the city and, in my brazen youth, I often wandered into neighborhoods where, it was clear, a face like mine wasn't welcome.

I was harassed in polarized Crown Heights. I was a victim of an attempted mugging at the ragged edges of Brooklyn Heights. I was chased out of the post-apocalyptic wasteland that was East New York. I was accosted at the subway in shabby Times Square at two in the morning, where the happenstance of a cop passing by may be the only thing that separated me from the morgue. I had my very first meal, just purchased at Arby’s, taken and eaten in right front of me on my very first day in New York, in the Dodge City that was Port Authority, where I arrived by bus from the bucolic confines of the Brandeis University graduate theater program. I was assaulted and mugged in my doorway near Prospect Park.

I have many more anecdotes about slightly less traumatic - but nonetheless instructive - incidents in that primal urban rough-and-tumble of the New York of the Ed Koch/David Dinkins era (itself a hip-hop harbinger of the Obama administration) that made a banal, everyday occurrence out of the reduction of human interaction to life's most atavistic state: predator vs. prey.

I am white. The perps in each case were black. We erstwhile bright-eyed Caucasian suburbanites who had descended on Gotham with dreams in our pockets bore our scrapes with mortality in the mean streets with not a little pride (there’s that reaction to bourgeois values again). Yet, whenever I had a new tale to tell, my harrowing narrative would invariably draw disinterested yawns from my white colleagues and impatient rolled eyes from my black acquaintances. Why? Well, aside from my colleagues’ secret envy at my having another badge of honor to polish and a new story to tell ad nauseum, it was the apotheosis of Ghetto Culture.

From my white friends, the most sympathetic responses I got were of the “karmic payback” variety (blacks just doing what our oppression forced them to do). From my black colleagues, it was simply the shoulder shrug of, hey, if a gazelle wanders into a lion’s hunting ground, it ain’t the lion’s fault if the gazelle becomes dinner.

And Van Jones personifies this mentality – and our tolerance of it - perfectly, no matter how much environmentalism, social justice, or well-tailored drapery he hides his ghetto ethic in. And the minimal cluck-clucking about what’s really behind his appointment proves that the tribute white guilt pays to thuggish black culture is, as ever, alive and well – as we see with Jeffrey Lord’s painstaking avoidance of – dare I say it, calling a spade a spade –and identifying what’s really going on with the Obama administration: It is the rise of the Hip Hop presidency. Even the ostensibly conservative Fox All-Stars Charles Krauthammer and Stephen Hayes delicately parse their responses to this travesty oh-so-equinanimously, airbrushing out the more thuggish aspects of Jones’s behavior and laughing off a lack of basic civility that you can bet would have had their panties in a bunch during the Bush era. Why, who cares about the death of decorum, of serious people taking serious approaches to serious problems? (Jones IS black, after all.) Why, their only quibble is that Jones was revealed to be a – gasp - “truther!”

Hey, Charles and Stephen: That should have been the last straw, not the first.

So I wouldn’t count on Van Jones being kicked unceremoniously to the curb. He’s a “playa,” after all, and as hip-hop teaches us, we are to “hate the game, but not the playa.” And even if he is jettisoned from the administration, there are many, many more brutish, unhinged thugs where he came from. Just as occurred with the Reign of Terror, it is the very rejection of tradition, decorum, rule of law, common sense and civility that are the fuel of the Obama revolution. Wake up, conservatives. You have got to get hip to what the administration already knows: If you get rid of all of the rotten apples in this barrel, you’re going to wind up with an empty barrel.

Deborah D | 9.4.09 @ 9:06AM

Yes, Beck, Malkin, Rush...are doing the job American (journalists) won't do. Bless them all.

Mr. Lord -- thanks for your backgrounder on the protocols of the White House. I'm sure it was Obama right arm Valerie Jarrett who gave the thumbs-up for Van Jones. They live in their bubbles of leftist thinking...thinking they're the smart ones, thinking they're the mainstream ones, accusing normal Americans angry at townhalls as "domestic terrorists." I think the psychological term is "projection."

Then when their bubble explodes in their faces, they can't even understand what all the talk is about. Very similar to the Dept. of Ed. guy sending out "lesson plans" asking students what they can do to support the president after his speech to them. What's wrong with that? Hmmm.

I wonder if The One will beam his image into the schools once a month, overtaking school time as he does on television once a month overtaking broadcast media time. What time of day is that address to a joint session next week? Spare us from this narcissist.

The Bishop| 9.4.09 @ 9:06AM

38 years ago I applied for a job with a federal government agency (I'm still employed). The job did not involve interacting with the White House, but did involve being entrusted with taxpayer information (okay, I confess, it's IRS). I had to provide complete background information and during my one-year probation period had inspectors questioning folks from my rather bland existence as to my suitability for such employment. My tax returns (simple though they were) were examined and the "vetting" was completed. I'm dumbfounded and disgusted at the way security has been treated at the highest levels of our federal government with appointments like Van Jones. I also applaud Glenn Beck's and Michelle Malkin's exposes of those who have highjacked the People's house. I just pray that it is not too late. Great article, Mr. Lord.

Etiquette Man| 9.4.09 @ 9:13AM

Stellar article. At last, a conservative commentator who is taking shots at THE LEFT for a change!

Mr. Lord makes a strong case for supporting the controversial Mr. Beck, and is to be commended for NOT playing the "reasonable" conservative to Mr. Beck's "hatemonger."

That sort of think plays really well on MSNBC. Mr. Lord won't be getting any "Hardball" invites anytime soon . . .

There are a lot of "conservatives" of the Krauthammer ilk doing just that lately, so this column was a breath of fresh air.

Conservatives need to stop eating their young, and throwing their own overboard at the first sign of trouble, or over the slightest policy difference. We must all hang together, as Poor Richard put it, or we shall all hang separately. Mr. Lord clearly understands this, and is to be commended for it.

I would only suggest that Mr. Lord have a chat with his colleague Quin Hillyer, who has spent the last several weeks taking shots at Sarah Palin, townhall protestors, and (in yesterday's column) the conservative movement itself.

With friends like that . . .

Cordially,
EM

Nofoil Hat| 9.4.09 @ 9:16AM

Hey, when a Non-Natural Born Citizen is posing as 44th President - having a Marxist side-kick or maybe 40 of them is required. See, simple answer.

Natural Born Citizen, Both Parents are U. S. Citizens and Born in the U.S. mainland.

Citizen, Born to at least 1 US Citizen Parent (under federal statute) or, Born in the U.S. mainland or, Naturalized.

Native Born Citizen, Born in the U.S. mainland.

personal trainer austin tx | 9.4.09 @ 9:18AM

Robert "Sheets" Byrd is starting to make rumblings about the czars not being consitutional. It should be very interesting if Sheets and Van tangle.

JeffT| 9.4.09 @ 9:20AM

I agree with Le Cracquere about appleby. I also believe, based on the video shown on Beck's program, that the person responsible for Jones, and all these radicals, being in the White House cadre, is Valerie Jarrett . She is his guru and muse.

Deborah D | 9.4.09 @ 9:20AM

This is the dawning of the "fundamental changing" of America Obama spoke of five days before the election. It started with the "vetting" process. As Grzmlyk intimated...they're breaking all the old rules because "I won."

As the revolutionary warriors broke all the rules of fighting the British way of marching in straight lines by using what might be called "insurgent" tactics, the Obama people are street fighting instead of fighting by the Marquis of Queensberry rules. They're tearing it all down. That's one lesson we need to understand from this. The question is, will we let them get away with it?

Bram| 9.4.09 @ 9:23AM

I'm assuming Appleby's comment is sarcasm. He's right - yelling "racism" will be the Administration response to these and all other inconvenient questions for as long as they can get away with it.

Dear Author| 9.4.09 @ 9:26AM

You forgot the main question.
With friends like Jones and Wright and Ayers who let BHO in the White House?
Barry/Barak couldn't pass a background check to get the most basic of security clearances.

Big J| 9.4.09 @ 9:29AM

Excellent post, Grzmlyk:

I vote AmSpec pursues "hiring" him as a regular contributor.

Only after he reveals the meaning of the acronym, Grzmlyk.

seejay| 9.4.09 @ 9:38AM

Wake-up America!
How many examples of black HATRED of whites do we need to see before we conclude; Blacks HATE whites....?
When a white man is critical of black behavior, we're tole that he "hates blacks."
Yet, when a black conspires to exclude, deceive and actually hurt whites, were told, we must UNDERSTAND his rage....
Blacks have declared war on whites. They will continue till we re-learn to stand-up to them!

Bud| 9.4.09 @ 9:42AM

Van Jones may not be atypical, and it is appropriate to doubt his presence is an oversight.

It would be fascinating to know how many folks working at the White House could pass the same background investigation a junior engineer has to pass in order to work on a classified defense project that won't be fielded for years.

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Anthony| 9.4.09 @ 9:46AM

This is what happens when the country elects a radical America hating Marxist, or transnationalist, if you're uncomfortble with the term Marxist, as president, with a compliant and corrupt media in his pocket.
Are we still to believe that our concerns about those individuals that Obama chooses to surround himself with and place in positions of high authority are the fevered nightmares of the "right wing"?
Obama has used these unconstitutional "tzars" to avoid the advise and consent clause of the Constitution. However, an equally corrupt Congress and the aforesaid compliant media, has allowed this situation to exist without complaint. The appointment of Mr. Jones is proof positive of all that we have said about Obama. If Congress and the media cannot, or will not, live up to their responsibilities, then it is encumbant upon us to clean up America by any and all means at our disposal.

Pete| 9.4.09 @ 9:57AM

Grzmlyk,

Great post, but you lost me with the "playa" stuff at the end. I don't care how mainstream that kind of language may be now, it has no place in serious discourse. I know you were half mocking it, but even putting it to paper assists the cultural destruction that has been going on for 3 decades now. And these topics are dead serious, as you know.

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 9:59AM

Thank you, Big J. I am honored, truly. That would be great!

This is a topic that obviously goes way back with me. Nothing like having your faced rubbed - literally - in the predator culture to make you realize all the rest is window dressing. Civilization is really a very fragile and precarious state of mind. And I believe its rejection is where we are with Obama.

And hip-hop culture really isn't that different from Communism of Nazism or any other system that are fueled by vengeance and thuggery.

After all, at its core, underneath the supposed glamour of the Crystal champagne, the Cadillac Escalades, the haute couture and the never-ending flow of scantilly-clad, grinding, sexually available women is misogyny, a rabid hatred of authority, the fetishizing of money and a general nihilistic rejection of decency.

I do fear that we are at the cusp of a New Reign of Terror with Obama as Robespierre.

Grzmlyk is actually a nonsense word - when I was in high school, a bunch of us were sort of Hawkeye Pierce (M*A*S*H*) wannabes (yes, I've subsequently learned to despise Hawkeye and his avatar, Alan Alda) - irreverent, silly but fairly serious students who were spirited ball-busters at basketball games.

We had a cheer that was a take-off on the old "gimme an "S!" Give me a "P!" Give me an "I!" Give me an "R!" Give me another "I!" Give me a "T!" What's that spell? (Spirit!).

Well, somebody - not me - had come up with, "Give me a "G!" Give me an "R!" Give me a "Z!" Give me an "M!" Give me an "L!" Give me a "Y!" Give me a "K!" What's that spell?

We would then enjoy the looks on people's faces as, after dutifully shouting out the letters, they struggled to pronounce and/or understand the word.

Hilarity ensued.

Well, fast-foward to the Internet age. Upon my first initiation with the Web, I was trying to come up with passwords that weren't already taken, something unique that I could actually remember, and I recalled that cheer.

I no longer use it as a password, but it works as an alter-ego. It's better than "george1524." (My name isn't George.)

That's it!

Duked| 9.4.09 @ 10:02AM

Some very good posts here. All I want to know is...... how is all that "change" working out? I am absolutely chilled at all of this. Look at these people (obama's minions). I keep telling myself, "No, they're just Americans with different ideas". But you know, they aren't.... they're people that don't like Americans or America and wish to bring it down. That's what the "change" apparently is!

JP| 9.4.09 @ 10:10AM

Van Jones is to the Obama WH what James Watts was to the Reagan WH. This time next year he will be gone. Most probably he will resign in order to take up a post at some Ivy League University as a lecturer.

Jack| 9.4.09 @ 10:18AM

You know you really should mention that Van Jones was never charged with any crime, and he sued and won for being illegally arrested... I have to say though that any 9/11 truther should be looked at skeptically

Tim| 9.4.09 @ 10:29AM

The whole Czar business is bizarre. These people get power but bypass scrutiny. Not good. Like a shadow politburo.

Simon Templar| 9.4.09 @ 10:38AM

I was going to post a comment but Anthony summed it up quite well..nothing else need be said..lets keep our on on the ball and the reality in focus here..thanks, Anthony..ditto...

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 10:39AM

Pete, you are half right, My use of the term was not half-mocking, it was entirely mocking, but with a serious point - that is, how institutionalized the ghetto mentality has become such that it has generated its own vocabulary.

The vernacular of language is an excellent barometer of a civilization's acceptance of words - and the concepts behind them - into its mainstream culture.

Witness the word "diss." It is now in dictionaries and, I believe, aptly so (sad to say). It describes a fairly new, specific kind of cultural interaction - and it is a nod to the increased influence of ghetto culture.

That nexus of sociological history and linguistic history gave spontaneous rise to a new word that captured our imagination and gained purchase because the river of language is ever-changing, and older words didn't quite cut the mustard.

I mean, when someone cuts in front of me in line with an arrogant sneer, they are dissing me. Not disrespecting me, which is someething slightly diffferent.

In other words, when words enter mainstream circulation (without government coercion), that eventuality is a fairly objective imprimatur of the culture's acceptance of the concept behind the word.

Hey, Shakespeare coined thousands of words, among them "deracinate" and "sanctimonious" because of where England was in its historical and sociological evolution, and language is nothing more than a reflection of the dynamic traffic of human interaction, after all.

And as we continue to reshape society out of the same old clay, language is an effective documentation of that endlessly variegated activity. If a word or phrase comes into common usage, there is usually a good reason for it.

So the fact that "playa" is now a legitimate word is part of what scares the hell out of me, and why I used it.

The flipside is the Orwellian use of enforced language that has so corroded the minds of our citizenry and is the keystone of all propaganda: Words like "Tolerance" "Green" "Diversity" "Social Justice" - all of these are shorthand ways of cramming down out throats a certain way of thinking that is deceptive, manipulative and dangerous. - and that scares me most of all.

We need only look at the revolving door of appellations for black people to understand the turmoil of race relations in this country: The noun has gone from "n***er" to "negro" to "colored" to "Afro-American" to "black" to African-American." That twisted history of nomenclature tells you a lot about the tortured history of race relations in a very brief space.

And just the fact that the "n" word is now called "the 'n' word" says a lot about senstivities, does it not?

Sue| 9.4.09 @ 10:47AM

I liked your post grzmlyk. I know where you are coming from with the "wolf is at the door" comments. You only have to inquire about law enforcement in the inner city.

The problem we have today is the "wolf" is in the White House and we're feeding him with our tax dollars.

Van Jones has been an issue/sideshow for the Democrat party for years now. Thanks to Beck, it's all becoming noticed.

What is really needed is more insiders to squawk because there's really no protection from the wolves for those who second guess these people.

For Jack, yes he was not charged with any crime and was compensated for being arrested (illegally is in the eye of the viewer), but the comments he makes in his speeches to hundreds/thousands of listeners at these so-called conferences, Color of Change, Power Shift, and others, has to make one wonder what his hidden agenda is? And who are these people in attendance at these events?

All black?

When you accuse "whitey" of poisoning minorities and you're demanding "social environmental justice" and you're handed $30 billion to dole out with no oversight, what would you call it?

I call it looting of the Treasury. The blacks would call it "social justice." Liberals would call it "reparations." All of it stinks to high heaven.
But since "whites" were instrumental in putting Obama in there, maybe they should be instrumental in standing up and getting him impeached.

Clearly, the agenda is to undermine our Constitutional form of government through the back door because they know they couldn't get it through the front door.

Sue| 9.4.09 @ 10:47AM

He won't be thrown overboard until he distributes the money.

Pingback| 9.4.09 @ 10:52AM

Nice 9-11 Truther Shirt There, Van Jones… (video) « Frugal Café Blog Zone links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…‘Assholes’ Glenn Beck: Van Jones, in His Own Words and More Van Jones lunacy Speaking My Mind: Van Jones And San Quentin – A Match Made In Heaven Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right Pronk Palisades: Obama’s Hidden Agenda and Cadre of Marxists, Communists, Progressives, Radicals, Socialists–Destroying Capitalism and The American Republic and Apollo Alliance…

Appleby| 9.4.09 @ 10:55AM

For those who found my short post too hard to read or understand:

I lived in Atlanta for 17 years and over those 17 years I found out that whenever one attempts to question or criticize anyone Of Colour, the only answer one ever receives is YOUARACIST! and it is always in capital letters.

That is, no one Of Colour has ever or will ever, or indeed CAN ever, committ a crime or do anything wrong at all. Every Person of Colour comes with a free Get Out Of Jail Free Card and if you are of a different opinion, or a different hue, you lose.

My Mama is from the South and her family were Methodist ministers and sharecroppers -- they never owned a slave nor did they wish to do so. Yet in all the years I lived in the South, I was assumed to be a racist simply because I am not Of Colour.

So in my short post above, I was simply transmitting received wistom -- Martin Luther King Jr. to the contrary -- from a world in which one is judged always and forever SOLELY on the colour of one's skin, because those Of Colour demand that it should be so.

From his photograph and his appearances on YouTube, the Person in question is Of Colour, and therefore he is Not Guilty -- we are.

Pingback| 9.4.09 @ 10:58AM

Brown Pelican Society of Louisiana » COMMENTARY & COMICS links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Obama - Jonah Goldberg: ABC News reports that Barack Obama has returned to Washington, only to step off the plane and “into his next domestic crisis.” full story The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right - Jeffrey Lord | 9.4.09 Who knew him, who cleared him, what rules were ignored? Killing Girls Is Bad, Killing Boys Is Okay - Doug Bandow | 9.4.09 That’s what Hillary…

Sue| 9.4.09 @ 10:59AM

To JP: I seem to recall at the time thinking that Watts was a little looney-tunes.

Van Jones is not looney-tunes. He's dangerous. If you watch his speeches, the audience is hanging on this every word and cheers loudly when he refers to "whitey" and the "new system" he is doing to put into place. The "new system" of agriculture, energy, and the "new batteries" to get "social justice" for whitey poisoning my sisters and brothers; hispanic sisters and brothers; transfer all of "whitey's" wealth to the native Americans; and hate speech that should be exposed by the mainstream media, but won't be.

Mr. Watts never advocated the mistreatment of races of people or replacing the "system" with one of color.

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 11:25AM

Hi Appleby:

I understood your initial post - and found it sadly apt. And I don't mind the occasional capital letters, which I think you used judiciously and appropriately.

And I sympathize with your experience in Atlanta. My experience in NYC was very similar. I have recounted here before that I was once in a McDonald's on Sixth Avenue in midtown and most of the weekday crowd standing on line were white. The employees were all black, and there wasn't a single person behind that counter who didn't ooze hostility or move with a slowness that required conscious effort.

The guy behind the grill was standing there defiantly, not doing anything (even as the crowd piled up) but LICKING HIS FINGERS (yes, caps) very ostentatiously.

He kept licking them and then started to wrap finished burgers into their wax paper. Every couple of seconds he would stop, stand in the open area where we could see him clearly, lick his fingers and then stare out at us, challenging somebody to object.

Every customer who could see this was aghast - I actually looked around to capture the expressions on people's faces. Not a sole complained. After a minute or two, one white woman timidly asked the cashier if that guy was going to keep on doing that. The girl didn't even look back at the miscreant. She just shrugged her shoulders desultorily as she moved like molasses through the process of ringing up the order in front of her.

In the meantime, the politeness exhibited by the customers was so obsequious that it disgusted me.

Then again, I was among those who said nothing.

I was with a very close friend - an old-school Brooklyn Jew and classic Great Society liberal. I asked him if the guy's sullen act of blatant hostility bothered him (and in a just world a manager would have been on site, seen it and fired him immediately).

My friend's response? It's OUR fault that that kid was so hostile. It's our racist society that made him what he is. The kid was blameless.

So it's not only the "people of color" who will hurl the "racist" epithet whenever you express displeasure with them. It is whites, too, who are either so brainwashed by white guilt or, like me at the McDonald's on 6th Avenue, too intimidated to speak up, who have enabled - indeed enshrined - this behavior.

In one way, we should be proud: Blacks and whites have finally come together to create something. Unfortunately, what we have created is a nihilistic, ravenous monster that is color-blind in its eagerness to destroy human decency.

That monster now occupies the Oval Office.

Jack| 9.4.09 @ 11:38AM

Sue, I understand your concerns that this Van Jones fellow may actively be seeking to punish white people for what he perceives as environmental injustices of the past towards minorities based on the clips of his speeches that have surfaced. However, I honsestly believe America's political and constitutional structure is strong enough such that no one administration could irreversibly alter the course of the country for the worse... I remember during the Bush administration some liberals would lament that Bush was taking away constitutional rights in the name of national security by enacting policies that gave the executive wide-ranging powers, and now other people say Obama is taking away rights by appointing 10,000 czars and mandating healthcare... These things come and go and one thing I've come to realize is that people tend to become overly-alarmed when there is an incendiary speaker with opinions that one strongly disagrees... Van Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Keith Olbermann, Glenn Beck are people who garner strong emotions from people who think they are anti-American but at the end of the day believe me no single person can institute or oppose change in America if that is not the will of the masses

kalamere| 9.4.09 @ 11:43AM

"Racist" has no meaning anymore because people like Appleby have made it so. If everyone is a racist, then no one is a racist. Regular folks know that now. The term has no impact anymore, crying wolf too many times ends up with no one listening.

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Stick a fork in Mr. Van Jones… [updated] | And Still I Persist links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…-- 0946 MDT] Jeffrey Lord, who used to work in the White House himself, talks about the very rigorous background screening process required to do so and asks this critical question: who allowed Van Jones through this screening ? ..bruce w.. Share and Enjoy: Posted by bfwebster Idiot fringers, Main, Obama Administration Subscribe to RSS feed Leave a Reply Click here to cancel reply. You must be logged in…

JimP| 9.4.09 @ 11:51AM

I see most of the Hillyer fan club is here this morning. Goooood morning Ameri-Cong. :)

The silver lining about Van Jones is he is another mistake for Obama and the Dems. If we are stuck with wanna be tyrants, at least they keep shooting themselves in the foot.

Van, you s@#k, but thanks for the moonbattery etc.

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 12:19PM

Jack, I confess I agree with those here who have had it with polite, country club, Roberts-rules-of-order conservatism. ENOUGH!

If you can't see that this country is being lost, you're not looking. You remind me of Bob, who thinks that because he has one chart that says GDP will always goes up and another chart that says effective tax rates never change, nothing bad can ever happen in this country.

We are becoming a balkanized, decadent society, a socialist, Statist tyranny and a body politic that worships the cult of personality.

My god, look around. It started when the ball was picked up by Teddy Roosevelt, advanced through Wilson, became institutionalized through FDR, expanded under LBJ and RMN, tried to advance but fumbled under Carter, treaded water under Clinton, picked up steam under Bush and has now broken away from the pack under Obama.

You say nothing can happen unless the masses want it to happen, but the people we charge with charting our course - and understanding that course's ramifications - aren't even reading the bills that are changing the face of this country. Does that make you sanguine about the people driving this train off of a cliff?

Culturally speaking, do you think the "masses" were on board with elevating sexual dysfunctions like homosexuality and transgenderism to some sort of uber-state of consciousness that we're supposed to revere above the normality of us mere boring heterosexuals?

Do you think the masses have all voted unanimously to allow blacks carte blanche to run roughshod over the rule of law in the name of white guilt?

Because of misinformation, ignorance, deception by the mainstream media, utter dishonesty by our politicians, a popular culture that moves inexorably, unrelentingly toward the left and, of course, an elite conservative class that would rather lose the game than get its uniform dirty, this country is now utterly detached from the constitution and from the concepts of justice and civility that societies need if they are to survive and thrive.

Government is inhabited, manipulated and wielded almost exclusively by those who think government is THE SOLUTION, existing solely to be the great leveler. That means it's run by liberals, because conservatives don't believe a life lived in the bowels of a redistributive bureaucracy trying perpetually to change the status quo in the name of social justice is a noble one. They believe in minding their own damn business and placing their faith in individual liberty and free markets.

Jack, all hell is breaking loose. As I've said, I'm no fan of Beck's personal style, but the second law of thermodynamics tells us that even Chicken Little will one day turn out to be right.

In other words, nothing lasts forever, and the dismantling of American Exceptionalism has been undertaken by this administration with stunning alacrity - and the complicity of fools, criminals and nihilists.

I will not go down without a fight. I was not born to serve Barack Fu..ing Obama. They can take their "hope" and "change" and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.4.09 @ 12:29PM

Grzmylk...or whatever (smile)

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Bob Miller| 9.4.09 @ 12:35PM

Obama did not expect Van Jones' past to remain a mystery to those outside his regime. He wanted some radical like Jones to take on this job (mythical jobs czar) and did not care about the "secret" getting out. Chalk that up to Obama's sense of entitlement---entitlement to dictate to us.

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 12:37PM

Hi Ken:

I will look it over - I'm not familiar with it, but I've seen you post the URL before. I'm always looking to add my voice to this growing movement, so a new venue is welcome.

I guess diarrhea of the brain has some advantages!

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 12:42PM

By the way, I will agree with Pete this far: Due to the relentless erosion of values and the associated encroaching move to the left, I do believe your average American has come to expect government to do more and more - but the effect on our psyche, on our work ethic, on our respect for law and for other human beings, has been disastrous.

I believe there are enough rank-and-file Americans out there who have finally had enough. Or in the inimitable RMN's words, the great "silent majority."

As a side note, I recognize Hoover as also having a significant share of responsibility for our descent into Big Government. I didn't mean to omit him.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 9.4.09 @ 12:43PM

If I were competent at making predictions or even simply understanding the present, I could make an excellent living a the track. But I have to admit that Van Jones cuts a handsome figure. Let me see. Looks good in a suit. Articulate. Member of a persecuted minority. Kommie-nist. Other radical views and associations. Probably excels at reading a teleprompter. Where have I seen these unique qualifications before? My prediction is that Comrade Jones has been anointed by the Profit Soros to be successor to Comrade obumassiah.
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gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Don’t Tread on Me!!

Pete| 9.4.09 @ 12:54PM

Grzmlyk,
I understand your reasons for using the language and don't disagree with anything you said in your explanation. Having said that, it still rubs me the wrong way to see that crap in print, and frankly it detracts from your prose, which I quite appreciate otherwise. Are you serious that some of that stuff is in the dictionary? If that is true, how very sad.

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 12:55PM

Gill, you rapscallion.

I know you've stolen a glimpse of the 2016 campaign posters that are already in production at Soros Central.

Too bad he didn't do hard time in the joint. That would REALLY give him street cred.

Hey, maybe you and I will both be assigned to the same "reparations camp!"

The State is All! Obama is the State! Long Live Obama!

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 12:58PM

Hi Pete:

Thanks - I understand and I see your point. Yes, although I haven't looked it up, I heard a news report a couple of years back that said "diss" is in the dictionary - as I said, I understand that because everyone I know uses the word.

As for Playa (and, for that matter, "Gangsta"), my guess is if it isn't there now, it soon will be. Right now, I don't have the heart to check!

Campy| 9.4.09 @ 1:00PM

JimP,

"The silver lining about Van Jones is he is another mistake for Obama and the Dems. If we are stuck with wanna be tyrants, at least they keep shooting themselves in the foot."

Yes, but if a bullet shoots the foot and no one hears it.......

From the Washington Examiner:

The Van Jones (non) feeding frenzy
By: Byron York
Chief Political Correspondent
09/04/09 11:30 AM EDT

"From a Nexis search a few moments ago:

Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the New York Times: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy in the Washington Post: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on NBC Nightly News: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on ABC World News: 0.
Total words about the Van Jones controversy on CBS Evening News: 0.

If you were to receive all your news from any one of these outlets, or even all of them together, and you heard about some sort of controversy involving President Obama's Special Adviser for Green Jobs, Enterprise and Innovation, your response would be, "Huh?" If you heard that that adviser, Van Jones, had apologized for a number of remarks and positions in the recent past, your response would be, "What?" And if you were in the Obama White House monitoring the Jones situation, you would be hoping that the news organizations listed above continue to hold the line -- otherwise, Jones, who is quite well thought of in Obama circles, would be history."

JimP| 9.4.09 @ 1:15PM

Campy,
I saw BY's piece too. It is interesting. I tend to be an optimist- but it is based on experience and studying things like Sun Tzu on 'The Art of War'. You're point is correct, but remember that the news orgs York noted are the old media which has been and continues to lose viewers/readers. Van Jones made news on FOX, Hannity, O'Reilly, Beck, too many blogs to mention and heaven knows how many twitter, myspace and facebook posts. Those outlets York cited are basically preaching to the choir anyway. If the new media were not winning the info war, FOX would not have the ratings that it does, there'd be no tea parties etc, etc.

Not to sound corny, but there is much to be positive about. We are a long way from losing even though they have the levers of power.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 9.4.09 @ 1:17PM

Grzmlyk and all similarly minded, contact Old Texican. The thicker the tree, the harder to cut.
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Don’t Tread on Me!!

Oldefarte| 9.4.09 @ 1:25PM

This Jones thing is not surprising to anyone with common sense. Most every American voter SHOULD HAVE known the personae of this man now in charge of our country on/before 11/4/08; but sadly did not. This Jones thing [and all other 'surprises'] should be a wake-up call to all of you to go vote in 2010 [for any/all conservative cadidates that pledge to reverse this administrations' policies]!!!!!!!!!!

JimP| 9.4.09 @ 1:34PM

Sue, re your 10:59 post.
I'm not being 'Jimmy Gee-EverythingisSwell' when I say the following: guys just like Van Jones have been around for decades. His type of racial demagogue combined with loony ideas isn't new. Yes he is potentially dangerous. There have always been crowds that attend these guys harangues against 'whitey' and others-(not saying this is exclusive to the black community because it is not). The crowds are not proactive people. They are looking for someone to yell and gripe as a way of venting. Guys like Jones are cowards. Sure, they'll hitch their wagon to someone for their own benefit, but they are not really proactive themselves. They are squeeky wheels looking for some 'grea$e' (un-elected politicians) . Fundamentally that's all. This is an old 'tradition' in the U.S. He's been outed and that hurts Jones and Obama. There's no way Obama does not look like an incompetent or lying scum*#@ after this. Therefore he will go down in the polls even more, and greater and greater distrust of him builds.

California 70| 9.4.09 @ 1:39PM

Great article!
I held a Security Clearance for 13 years while working for a government contractor. I can tell you all that Mr. Jeffery Lord is absolutely correct in explaining how a clearance works. If you aren't cleared. You don't get in. No way, no how! Unless the Prez himself says so.

I'm very happy to see this article. I wish more people could see it. Maybe the general public would begin to "get it".

The people in the White House today are a bunch of radicals and subversives.

Where is the Congress on this and where is the Senate on this. Are they all so much into "hero worship" that they refuse to do anything.

Obama should be impeached for knowingly putting Communists in our White House.

This is beginning to look like shades of Hitler.

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Daisy| 9.4.09 @ 1:45PM

C'mon, Obama could NEVER get a security clearance, let alone the clowns he's chosen to be his 'czars'!

nynole| 9.4.09 @ 1:53PM

You want proof of media bias? I just checked MSNBC.com, can u believe there is no recent news story about Van Jones? How can this be? It's a huge story. I beginning to realize that what is NOT being reported by MSM is out weighing actual, relevant news. This administration and it's minions get creepier by the day.

Deborah D | 9.4.09 @ 2:09PM

This is a great Tea Party commercial created by a high school student. It reminds all to not underestimated the American people. Watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkFFwyyjZC8

Campy| 9.4.09 @ 2:10PM

JimP

Possibly my greatest strength—and sometimes my biggest human failing—is optimism.

But to use your term, "old media" remains the end word for an awful lot of the general public, busy living and working, unable to spend time on blogs, twitter, etc... With all due respect, they feel they ARE keeping up with events if they make it through the daily paper or 10 o'clock newscast before falling asleep. Make no mistake, I applaud their weary effort to try to keep up with a gyroscopically spinning world off kilter. But that's exactly why I find MSM so appallingly frightening... the power it still has. You know, "if you read it in the Post...well,..."

I'd like to see some of the brilliant posters here write for, or comment to, MSM articles. I love reading them here; a personal balm. But we're all (well, for the most part) singing to the choir. Grz, Thom, Mary Louise, Etiquette Man and many others (please forgive omissions): you may already be doing so, but your eloquence is needed on the front lines.

abby5| 9.4.09 @ 2:19PM

Well, lets see if I understand this. Van Jones, Mark Lloyd, Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, Cass Sunstein, Valerie Jarrett, Holgren, HMMMMMM. He said you will know me and my policies by the people that I surround myself with........................ mr. president we finally know you

Sheila| 9.4.09 @ 2:24PM

Grzmlyk, all of your comments are well written and spot on. Don't try to post any over at American Thinker; your obvious racism will never pass muster with their censors. Your McDonald's example is a perfect illustration of why White America is in its current straits. No one dares speak up; no one even dares think the unthinkable. There are racial, religious, and cultural differences that are immutable; all are equal in God's eyes and should be equal before the law; any other allegation of equality is purely fictional and irrational.

All those trusting little souls insisting that the day of reckoning is coming, just wait until 2010, 2012, 2016 (pick a date please) - and they truly believe in the basic health of this carcass of an educational system and skeleton of a representative democracy. They really can't envision the blacks, Indians, and other minorities in charge now truly killing the goose who lays the golden eggs (a la the classic tale of the frog and the scorpion), but it's the culmination of a process that began with the early American progressives (many of whom were Jews). And all those who loudly proclaim their trust in the "American people" - what rump of citizenry are they referring to? All those Mexican immigrants who proudly wave their flag at rallies demanding their rights as illegal aliens? All those moderate Muslims who look like walking shrouds? All those Chinese who will proudly rally in honor of the PRC in front of the White House with Obama's blessing? We've been subject to wholesale population replacement, and somehow they never noticed (oh, I forgot, limiting immigration is unamerican, besides, great grandpa Sy came in via Ellis Island so I have to believe in open borders). Martial law is a foregone conclusion; open insurrection is open to doubt (all those calling for calm, and manners and reason - must be adults and play by the rules, you know); the American experiment is ending in ignominy and still the masses cry "Social justice! Multicultural, multiracial society! Cultural relativism! Islam is a religion of peace! We are all brothers!" No, we are all dead.

Deborah D | 9.4.09 @ 2:25PM

Well, re. Van Jones and his "truther" connections...apparently there's another link dug up by Jake Tapper of ABC...He actually organized a Truther event in 2002. Uh-oh... Read Tapper here: http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit.....ement.html

Pingback| 9.4.09 @ 2:25PM

Friday News Dump Van Jones Roundup | The Lonely Conservative links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…video of Van Jones talking about the “ incarceration machine ” and using “ ebonics” to mock former President George W. Bush. But the big question is how this guy ever passed a White House security clearance. Regardless of his radical political beliefs, don’t his prior arrests count for anything? Charles Krauthammer summed things up pretty well last night. Yes, it is…

robtron| 9.4.09 @ 2:26PM

What if your husband was a member of the Alaska independence party?

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MSM…I See Nothing – Sgt Schultz « Mcnorman’s Weblog links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…on CBS Evening News: 0. Tapper sees a problem, but his is only a blog. more about “ MSM…I See Nothing – Sgt Schultz “, posted with vodpod Of course there are those questions which inquiring minds want to have answered: • Who on the White House staff cleared Van Jones? • What was that person’s connection to Van Jones or Mr. Jones’s political sponsor? • Who, exactly, was…

JimP| 9.4.09 @ 2:33PM

Campy,

No offense intended: I don't disagree with anything you said. However, you sound like Quin Hillyer. You are familiar with EM, so I assume you have read his posts re Quin. In brief, you are only looking at the bad side of the coin. Don't fixate on that bad side.

I like your idea of posting at MSM sites. Let us know the ones you would suggest. I have done this a few times, but it never occurred to me to do so on a regular basis. (Not that I consider myself any sort of exemplary poster)

More and more people are abandoning the MSM. People talk to eachother and they spread the word about the new media and so it grows, even if slowly. FOX is growing by leaps. Mark Levin and Michelle Malkin have topped the NYT best seller list for the last 2-3 months. Hang in there.

Best wishes,
JimP

Leslie Bacon| 9.4.09 @ 2:36PM

These people think its COOL to be arrested! Dig it, man! I'm sure Henry Louis Gates thinks that getting arrested was the high point of his career! He's thrilled! Nothing better could have happened to him! Its the greatest accessory someone in his position could ever have! A POLICE RECORD!!! DIG IT, MAN!

California 70| 9.4.09 @ 2:47PM

for JP:
Boy, are YOU ever living in 1950's. I wish you were right about Van Jones. But, Grzmlyk is 100% right. Wise-up. You sound like a very nice person, but are very naive. Read everything Grzmlyk has written here. He is an excellent writer and what he has to say is correct.

I have read a lot of blogs lately, since I am scared to death. I must say, Grzmlyk has articulated it best.

LBPruitt| 9.4.09 @ 2:49PM

How ironic. The Whitehouse ditches it's own homework so they can play with schoolyard bullies, and yet they want direct access to our kids to encourage them to stay on task.

ProudTexan| 9.4.09 @ 2:55PM

One man is responsible for putting Jones and the rest of these traitors in the White House, barack hussein obama.

John| 9.4.09 @ 3:00PM

Just think if we had to depend on the propaganda media (MSMBC,CNN,CBS,NYT,Newsweek) no one would know about it. The propaganda media still haven't told their viewers even now. The DNC hasn't given permission.

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Twitter Trackbacks for The American Spectator : The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glen links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Show more Authors associated with spectator.org the_spectator The_Spectator philipaklein Philip Klein amspec American Spectator 108 Show more 23 tweets Tweet The American Spectator : The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right spectator.org/archives/2009/09/04/the-real-van-jones-scandal-why – view page – cached As a former White House aide myself, there are two incidents that…

Robert Rosencrans| 9.4.09 @ 3:02PM

If you want to run a successful criminal enterprise you recruit criminals, not cooks, bakers or Indian chiefs.

The Obama administration if full of corrupt ideologues led by the pathological liar who would be President, Barack Obama.

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race42008.com » Blog Archive » A Different Perspective on the Van Jones Scandal links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

A Different Perspective on the Van Jones Scandal September 4, 2009 A Different Perspective on the Van Jones Scandal Jeffrey Lord used to be an aide in the Reagan White House. He sees an angle on the developing Van Jones scandal that I had not realized. Here are his salient points: The Secret Service closely screens everybody who steps foot in the White House. The background checks done for staff members…

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Van Jones ALSO a Mumia Supporter. « Inzax links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Obama would double down on Van Jones. New information shows he was a Mumia supporter. Perhaps the option to double down is off the table. Who is Mumia. He’s a cop killer. The way things work at the white house the Obama administration HAD to know who this guy was before he was appointed as the “Green Jobs Czar.” If they claim ignorance they are either lying or the secret service…

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Good News: Van Jones Also A Mumia Supporter : The American Pundit links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Van Jones is a typical far-left radical, so none of this surprises me. There’s actually a bigger question to be asked here: What did the Obama Administration know about Van Jones and when it did they know it? The Obama White House is the most tech-savvy of any in American history. And yet they couldn’t dig up through Google that Van Jones is a communist, 9/11 Truther, Mumia supporter, and…

Paul| 9.4.09 @ 3:23PM

Grzmlyk,
You have a way with the written word. I subscribed to the AS many years ago and I will donate to this site as soon as I finish this. Any site that attracts someone of your insight and skills is a site I can support.

Curtis Rasmussen| 9.4.09 @ 3:28PM

In the name of community service, Van Jones will outlaw Christmas , putting a studded jackboot to the throat of all those bourgeois shoppers. In it's place, the 7 Marxist principles of Kwanzaa will not only guide black commie rat bastards, but all Americans to a new day of mandatory 'green' community service.

Barack's definition of bourgeois: Any American with more than $25.00.

grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 3:30PM

Hello, Sheila: Thank you for your nice comments and your insights.

Basically, I agree with you. I think white guilt has created the attitude I saw at McDonald's and the attitude we see in pop culture, sports and now politics. It is a tragedy and it is just as bad for blacks as it is for whites. And for the minorities that will follow in the footsteps of the blacks; that's why hard-working Mexican immigrants living here have kids who play video games, dress like gangstas and treat their women like shit.

I do think that being black (or Mexican, or Arabic, etc.) is an experience I will never fully relate to. I'm sorry that there is an unbridgeable chasm there, but there are limitations to empathy. Human nature is innately tribal, and race is perhaps the easiest hook to hang racism on. Both the fetish for "diversity" and overt racism are, in my view, opposite sides of the same coin in responding to this, as you say, immutable condition.

But I do believe that the contributions of black Americans are legion. Right now I'm listening to Walter Williams, whom I think is a national treasure. Ditto Thomas Sowell. I think Clarence Thomas is a profile in courage. Even people like Sammy Davis Junior I believe cast a positive shadow much larger than the stage on which they played.

I believe in the great melting pot. Like most folks, I feel better when I'm surrounded by people who are similar to me. I grew up in a white neighborhood back when America was essentially a white country (and I point out that blacks still comprise only about 13% of the population). I currently live in Vermont (which, in the last decade, has fallen all over itself in trying to recruit minorities of every stripe).

I have one neighbor who is of the "white trash" variety - a drug dealer, always drunk, his kids are always in trouble, he pretty obviously bullies his common-law wife and he threatened me with violence when I complained about his kid. I have another neighbor - a black family of about five or six. While we're not friends, they are models of suburban responsibility. Guess which of these neighbors I'd like to see move the hell out of the neighborhood?

It's about values. The great melting pot ensured that most Americans aspired to the same values. Most had a common European heritage, it is true, but back at the turn of the 19th century, Italians hated the Irish about as much as anybody can hate anybody. And vice versa.

The thing is, we got into our heads that up is down, good is evil and immorality is moral. Along with that is the central tenet of liberalism - that multiculturalism is wonderful. It isn't. It's the balkanization of our country into thousands of little micro-climates where no one dare judge another's culture and any attempt at a common, traditional culture (i.e., derivative of a white, european ethic) is viewed as oppression. Along with that bigotry (for that's what it is) has come our open door policy - the proactive attempt to eradicate white people from this country by replacing the population with those our intellectual "betters" view as more "authentic" and deserving than we a-hole whites.

That's what I don't understand. You are right that many at the forefront of this movement are whites - and Jews. I will never understand it. Believe me, I went to Brandeis University, so I know Jews. Almost all of them are intelligent. Many have been good friends. I've dated several. Some are even conservatives.

But I will never understand the enthusiastic destruction of traditional America by the very people who will ultimately be ground up in the Great Ethnic Rototiller.

Why is it so important for liberals to expunge white people, and Christianity, and traditional values, from the American landscape? It is suicidal, as are many of our policies. Look at Obama's foreign policy. On second thought, don't!

I think many of the so-called intellectuals leading these movements are indeed nihilists. The closest I can come to fathoming it is by concluding that It's a weird juxtaposition of both self-loathing and and overweening sense of superiority. These elites are hell-bent on eliminating human nature from their souls, of achieving the elevated, Nietzschian status of "ubermenschen" - which is a fool's errand, by the way - and so in order to purify their souls, they extrapolate their inner self-loathing outward and attempt to stamp it out in a futile effort to redeem themselves. Funny how, no matter how hard they try, these intrepid secularists who luxuriate in their hatred of traditional religion, nevertheless assemble a punishment/reward/redemption ethos that, for all its decadence looks remarkably similar to the tenets of human existence that religion was invented to assuage and ameliorate.

At any rate, while I think we have to fight to save our country, the realist in me says we'll be closing the barn door after the horse is long gone. Like the Roman Empire before us, what was once a great culture will be reduced to rubble. I just never thought it would happen in my lifetime.

orlandocajun| 9.4.09 @ 3:31PM

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 11:25AM

I realize you're talking about New York here, but why didn't any of the sheep, watching the guy lick his fingers, turn around and leave? This is what happens when the world runs short of men.

BTW, to your classic great society liberal friend who uttered..."It's OUR fault that that kid was so hostile. It's our racist society that made him what he is. The kid was blameless. " This is the reason we have a Marxist in the White House (white liberal guilt). My take on the kid is that he is the way he is because he has worthless parents and/or it never dawned on him that maybe an education might be a good idea. There are far too many blacks who have succeeded in this country for me to buy into the "whitie did it to me" tripe. The kid has already lined-up for his welfare check and he'll resent white for that too.

Whites had their turn and now blacks are taking theirs. At this point, racism will cease when some blacks let it go.

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GOP, Meg Whitman, Are Any of You Listening to Conservative Talk Radio? Here’s Michae links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

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rssg| 9.4.09 @ 3:43PM

Hussein Obama is an anti-American, black liberation theology nut-job like his mentor, Rev. Wright. He is unfit to be US President.

He needs to be asked to step down. The media elected this economic illiterate Marxist.

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 3:43PM

Thank you, Paul. That is one of the nicest things anyone has said to me. Truly, I am moved.

Orlandocajun, you are right on the money. As I say, people were extra polite. It was odd. So odd that, all of these years later, it remains an indelible moment in my life.

And I certainly didn't walk out. As I recall, I was plenty pissed and declined to make a purchase, but I certainly didn't confront the thug-in-training.

I was young and cowed and, in those days, was still a little fuzzy as to how the world worked. I'm an actor, for chrissakes, and ALL of my acquaintances have always been LIBERAL (no, I'm not well known - I'm so small time that it ain't worth mentioning my line of work). I was thoroughly marinated in liberalism and even though I never bought into it, I was sufficiently flummoxed that I didn't stand up enough for what is right.

So I plead guilty. I was a coward (the origin of that word, I believe, is "cowed" - which I was). Too many of us are sheep. We are cheerfully waltzing to the slaughterhouse because it's more important that we not incur the wrath of our liberal "betters" and be able to pat ourselves on the backs for our "tolerance" than, you know, survive. Such is the power of the twin towerrs of vanity and fear. And it is moral vanity - and fear of departing from the zeitgeist, I think, that's killing us.

As for my friend, I've long since lost contact with him (1995, to be exact). He was a bit of a pragmatist, but I'm sure he was in an ecstasy of self-congratulation when he voted for Obama. And I have NO doubt he voted for Obama.

And like many who are of his mind, it doesn't matter WHAT obama does or how much this country slides into despair. They can always look in the mirror and say to their reflections: "I voted for a black guy! How cool am I?"

orlandocajun| 9.4.09 @ 4:12PM

Grzmlyk

Thanks for the reply. I agree with Paul and wish that there were more adults in this world with your insight and communication skills. I'm guessing that you're an English Lit professor.

I didn't intend to call you a coward. I guess that I'm befuddled wondering how so many people can stand there waiting to buy that food rather than leaving, hence my "sheep" reference. It would take an idiot, not someone with courage, to confront a guy like that in that situation.

How did you transition from liberal actor to conservative?

Campy| 9.4.09 @ 4:16PM

JimP

No offense taken, but nowhere did I imply toning it down; my point is to get the message OUT. As John @3:00 posted, a large part of our population still depend on MSM; networks are still in business which means someone is watching, paying the bills.

Here in the heartland, the average working person is not wired (wee wee'd up?!) to contemporary media in all its forms. That's not to say we're still waiting on the pony express, but to make the assumption that because we're connected everyone must be, is, frankly, erroneous... think outside yourself and know the audience.

I have faith in good people with the facts as they stand—the facts need no embellishment, just clarity—AND to see the light of day. Many posters on this site have that gift of crystallization and distillery. So all I'm saying is go forth and disseminate! I think the silent majority HAS had enough, but in MSM, they are not hearing/seeing anyone that speaks like them.

As an aside, many years ago I read a book "Paved With Good Intentions" on the failure of race relations in this country, the 'unexpected consequences.' Think it's time to dig it out...I remember it being a tough read, but seems like it's quite timely.

datechguy | 9.4.09 @ 4:19PM

They knew from day one.

You have to remember from the "subgroup" that he comes from, the Rev Wright, Farrakhan, Ayers group trutherism isn't anything odd.

It's the crazy uncle syndrome. As long as he operated within his own "subgroup" it isn't noticed, but once out of it then there is a problem.

that's why the media didn't vet this president, they knew what the result would be.

At least that's my take.

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Patriot Room podcast and articles - September 4, 2009 on The Patriot Room links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…"Dear Leader" speech School speech backlash builds Economy through the eyes of Uncle Joe Uncle Joe takes over the mic US loses 216,000 jobs Canada adds 27,100 jobs (1/10th the workforce) Van Jones Van Jones: Words mean something Charlie Rangel and the ethical void Health-care and the joint session of Congress The new pitch from the WH Wrong setting for a sales job Gang of 6 dead? GOP readies hundreds of…

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The empowerment of the crazy uncles « DaTechguy’s Blog links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…— I mean, the same people, in the flesh. It’s a fine line and likely everyone crosses it once in a while. The trick it to make sure it is ONLY once in a while. Update: The American Spectator asks questions. Tags: broken clock, conservatism fights back, double standards, glen beck boycott, I wish I said that, obama, pet peeves, reality, still angry left This entry was posted on September 4, 2009 at…

JimP| 9.4.09 @ 4:34PM

Campy,

Sorry for the confusion. I worded my statement poorly. I don't want or think you want to tone things down. What I was referring to Quin's fixation on the negative aspects. Like one commenter said of him: (paraphrasing) he only looks at the dark cloud, not the silver lining.

Gotta go for now. All the best.

JimP

Angel| 9.4.09 @ 4:47PM

Grzmlyk: Look how many fans you have!

Count me in that group, too! :p

Take care, okay?

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Hot Air » Blog Archive » Oh my: White House refuses to say that Van Jones still has O links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…signing off on something you’ve received from HolocaustNeverHappened.net and then being surprised later when controversy erupts. Two: Was this really a vetting problem? Both John McCormack and Jeffrey Lord have pieces today citing White House staffers who claim Jones never would have made it through a standard background check. His only way into 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue would be if someone high up…

Drew| 9.4.09 @ 4:50PM

When I think of what I have had to go through
the past 30 years just to keep my Job! Polys, Investigations, Etc.... and they let this BOZO
Jones in the White House just like that!
Sickening!

politicaldookie | 9.4.09 @ 4:54PM

It is hard to digest that this scumbag is making policy for the Country.

KL Smith| 9.4.09 @ 4:58PM

Great article. Maybe you could have a conversation with Mark Levin about his constant dumping on Glenn Beck. For someone who is all about liberty, he sure spends a lot of time telling another person how he should run his show.

JimP| 9.4.09 @ 5:02PM

Campy,

You are correct that I assumed the Heartland has the same media access we in my section of the country do (East Coast). Since we don't have info available generally indicating that the Heartland does not have the level of access, then it is a normal assumption. It's not arrogance or failure to think outside ourselves. I (we) are not remiss if we have no knowledge. Merely ignorant through no fault of our own. I would not presume to think the heartland is stuck with all the old tech means of communication.

Thanks for the info. I will pass it on.

Best regards.

Victoria| 9.4.09 @ 5:03PM

While I certainly agree with the posters comment below, the way Obama & his admin are handling everything could/is likely to make the racism wedge ever larger than it was before.

......what we have created is a nihilistic, ravenous monster that is color-blind in its eagerness to destroy human decency......

Jason| 9.4.09 @ 5:08PM

Grzmlyk,

I enjoyed reading your comments more than any main stream article in a long time. (as a conservative blogger I tend read a lot) Thank you for taking the time to express yourself so eloquently. You are so right on, I only wish more Americans would wake up from the brainwashing that has taken place and stand up to these liberal thugs. Continue commenting, hopefully it will inspire more to see the 'truth' and take hold of the mantle of individual liberty…

Cheers, Jason
http://patriotsmind.com

Jim Treacher | 9.4.09 @ 5:16PM

He won.

Trajan| 9.4.09 @ 5:23PM

Obama is a wolf in ivy-league garb. His gift
of mellow pipes and confidence of oration belie
the seething wolfpack for whom he speaks.
As the glib mouthpiece of a reparations move-
ment he projects himself apart from his snarl-
ing minions. He dares you to hate him. Too
many in our electorate have backed down from
from that dare. That's why he has "won", thus
far. A Shakepearian character says something
like, "Meet it is, I set it down, that one may
smile and smile....and be a villain." Look at
his staff, his czars, his disregard for the
constitution and tell me you'll vote again
for that magnetic grin of his.

Paul| 9.4.09 @ 5:31PM

The elephant in the room is: What caused the dramatic deterioration of the "inner city" culture and it's subsequent spread throughout the rest of the population? I contend that it is because of Johnson's " Great Society". If you make it more economically viable (Welfare) to have the parents NOT be married, then you end up with kids growing up without a father figure and his lifelong lessons. Young males will naturally gravitate to whatever appears as a father figure. Hence the rise of Gangs. Throw in drugs and you have an explosive situation.
Add the addition of leftist professors in our colleges starting in the 20's and working tirelessly to supplant the basic human and American values that were clearly advocated in writings of the time and the Constitution and you have future teachers and their students slowly succumbing to the Big Lie.
Now add in popular culture based on what sells, not on what is truly enlightening, and you have a toxic mix of ideas, values, and culture.
This is how we got The Mighty O.
IMVHO

Dirty Harry| 9.4.09 @ 5:39PM

Why are these chuckleheads called "Truthers", when the last thing they're interested in is the truth?

jr| 9.4.09 @ 5:41PM

Secret Service, FBI, CIA, etc., those people work at the pleasure of Obama, Michelle, Axclrod, Emanuel, etc., and if you want to keep your job you will do as you are told and to keep your mouth shut. If I say I want Van Jones for the green Czar, and you do not like it, take a hike. And remember this, he will still have a job and you will be blacklisted (sorry) for any job for which you apply. So goes openness.

Campy| 9.4.09 @ 5:47PM

JimP
Of course there's media access, but the population (generally speaking) is engaged with the daily business of life, and still mostly tuned-in to MSM.

There is also less Washington/political focus here compared to the east coast, which sometimes seems a world away. I was technically born in DC proper, but nearly all of my family remains in Virginia so I'm acutely aware of what makes headlines there vs here. Thankfully, the internet has changed that a lot.... for those connected and with time. But, Criminey Batman, there are taxes to pay! :-)

Point is, MSM is still very much alive and well here, and to discount the danger of that medium without pushback would be folly.

nick| 9.4.09 @ 6:02PM

Angel - I am sorry I did not respond yesterday to your comment about a father's love - I understand what you were saying but I do believe that it was moral cowardice because as a father I have an obligation to ensure my daughter has the same freedoms I have enjoyed - I waited late for marriage and a child - the joy I get from her is so beautiful (she's only three) - I have always had a plan B, but needed Thom to give me a bit of focus. I would love to be in contact with him and you on another forum - any ideas on how that can be done?

JimP| 9.4.09 @ 6:04PM

Campy,

I do not discount the MSM at all. Unfortunately you read that into what I have said. My intention was to merely point out some of the positive things that are going our way.

Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 6:27PM

Thank you, Jason.

I took the day off of work today so had more time than usual to formulate my thoughts and linger here.

I gotta say, I never thought I'd find myself in this situation - pleading for my fellow citizens to awaken from their sleepwalk toward the annihilation of our country.

But that's why freedom is never free, and requires constant vigilance. I know this: it is time to return to the constitution and the precepts that laid the groundwork for American Exceptionalism.

I'll check out the blog.

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 6:30PM

Grzmlyk, all just causes need a good wordsmith or two. You have the gift of depth, range and reflex with regard to language. On the flip side you need to better appreciate why angels fear to tread some places on this earth….
When the Orcs spill out of Mordor we will require many different skills sets beyond word smith. Indeed the “pen” will only be as mighty as the depth of the magazine on your primary backing your words up. I would hate to have to pull a Black Hawk down trying to save someone with your mastery of words because his intellectual curiosity tempted him to walk where a battalion of angels in full body armor and the sharpest swords to be had won’t normally go. A lot of the Riders of Rohan have figured out the nature of this beast. We can’t afford to lose good people on the cheap.
There are others in your line of work who get it. We are all actors on a stage of sorts. Not exactly an original thought right? My skill sets are not where yours are. Effective communications will be critical if the worst of this nightmare is to be avoided. I certainly want to avoid it but am prepared to give my last full measure if need be. That would make me about 1-2 out of one hundred that would at this point. The 300 Spartans might have had better odds against Xerxes and of course we have his ancestors to deal with too.
We have two choices and your gifts live within the first choice. The most of that must be made because that is the moral and right thing to do……first.

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Birthers again? - Page 2 links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…court decision is what dictated when the protest was held,'' said Van Jones, a San Francisco civil rights lawyer who helped coordinate the protest march. Jeffrey Lord, a Reagan White House Aide has some questions about how this guy ever got into the White House, starting with this premise, "No one enters the physical White House as a guest unless the Secret Service has vetted them." …

nick| 9.4.09 @ 7:02PM

Thom - glad you are back - I understand your comments on the Grz - my question is - I did not understand your comment that there is some distinction between brown shirts and black shirts - I am willing to be educated on the issue - my more important query is how do we do the collective on trust to get back to what the founders meant?

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 7:13PM

Nick/Angel, do you know the phrase “the price of free is what?” The value of anything in economic terms is what you are willing to pay for it. What you both seek has value in the effort to obtain it. No one can give it to you. Serious people can help guide you but the work and what is revealed from your efforts is part of the price of what you seek. If you live in one of the villages of Mordor then your efforts will be more difficult, costly and take longer but life always finds a way. Even in Mordor there are resources if you look hard enough but ultimately you will have to leave Mordor at times to start your journey. I don’t know of any short cuts for this but USD does speed the process along at some point. This has been in my mind since mid way through Vietnam. You can’t do it on the cheap and you will ultimately do yourself and others a disservice if you don’t do the heavy lifting required. You must first become an individual with self worth before anything else. Do not seek the comfort of a group, any group. That will take you where you really don’t want to be at this point. Group mindsets can be equally destructive on both sides of this equation and “groups” is precisely what King Obama and his Orcs are looking to set an example of.

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 7:26PM

Nice, real generic terms here. The “brown shirts” are the rabble, rent a MOBs and do intimidation and beat up people for the most part. Union thugs are a perfect example. The “black shirts” who disposed of the “brown shirts” in Hitler’s time did the “wet” work. Do I need to be more specific who in our society will tend to do the “wet” work when ordered?
As for “trust”, trust no one but yourself. 53% of my neighbors voted for King Obama, statistical fact. Trust has to be earned like respect not given like a cup of coffee. That does not mean be a paranoid fool. We’ve got too many of those running around right now. To get back to the Founder’s principles is going to require too many complex things to lay out here but the gifts of Grzmlyk and company are going to have to find a way to get through to what remains of humanity in what Orcs can be “turned”. Leadership is only as good as the quality of the people who will follow. We have a deficit in both areas right now.

nick| 9.4.09 @ 7:29PM

Thom -

Thom - I do not know who Modor is or what the refernce means - my ignornace - I do know that folks who made a great impression on me were Vietnam SF folks who taught me my prior trade - I left that because I could not deal with the politics that crept into the deal - why are we dispsoable? I would like to have a way to speak to you outside this forum - are you interested?

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 7:45PM

Nick, (spelled correctly this time), Vietnam SF people would likely be a little older than I and perhaps wiser too. Politics creeps into everything given enough time. When “war” becomes a business venture (conflicts less than war for example), many things get distorted and many succumb to the dark side and lose their humanity (concepts of virtue, morality, right and wrong if you will). I’ve seen this first hand in our current overseas adventures. Good people get is wrong some times. In real wars to use that term very loosely less of this will happen because the focus of the task at hand is narrower by default. Many people go off to war and come home but their soul never does. No easy trick doing what is required and remaining a human being at the end of the day.
For a host of reasons I must respectfully remain “detached” and decline your request. We live in dangerous times and for that reason I am equally interested in protecting myself as I am protecting you.
That’s the way it has to be unfortunately.

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 7:48PM

Nick, Mordor is Hell in Lord of the Rings.... The Triliogy does a good job laying out humanity in its sorted detail for both good and evil. If you haven’t seen the three movies you own it to yourself that. You’ll find yourself , your friends and enemies in there.

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Fundamentally Change America links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…in on the act! What Would Jesus Do? Ask Obama. A communist flag will be raised on the South Lawn of the White House this September 20, 2009. Glenn Beck is doing an awesome job at exposing communists in the White House. Some leaders in the GOP have turned against those free-market, limited government "America-hating crazies" too! Yeah ... there's no waayyy there's a conspiracy of any kind going on. Not a…

nick| 9.4.09 @ 8:08PM

Thom - I understand your concern about detachment - my reference to a collective was based upon your comment on last night's thread - I am certainly not a collectivist - apparently I am also a bit older than you - that mean nothing as your comments last night gave me the focus I was in need of - you are a good man - stay on message and don't let Grzm's oratory skills impress you too much - its very nice talk - amymanthos@gmail.com

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 8:17PM

Nick, I’m not into being “impressed” just cognizant that many skill sets are required and talent should be recognized and encouraged where possible. PC is killing and muting the message required. Our side kills its own efforts and future prospects on a regular basis. The right message delivered at the right time can be important in the scheme of things. Nothing more.

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Steynian 380 « Free Canuckistan! links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…House seeking to gather information on American users. Saith Binks: good thing it’s not Bush & Cheny in control, or this might be dangerous! …. (wnd, therealbarackobama) ~ THE REAL VAN JONES SCANDAL : Why Glenn Beck Is Right; SDA– But Glenn Beck Is The Crazy One… Elevating a 9/11 Truther to “czar” – is there nothing Obama can’t do? …. (spectator,…

nick| 9.4.09 @ 8:33PM

Thom - I agree our side has very few eloquent spokesmen - he is very good - do you read VDH - he is incredible - or Ralph Peters - again incredible - neither are PC at all - isn't funny how just talking like this creates something - I mean you really gave me some backbone last night and I needed it - I have been working on my Plan B for some time but had not gotten to point of no hesitation or recognizing the potential cost and willing to accept that cost - I do believe that freedom as envisioned by the founders is worth it and you helped me get there - thank you

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 8:39PM

Nick, no problem. The Founders spent nearly a decade getting "there" before they finally accepted that the age of reason had passed on the matter at hand. Resonable men will do everything possible to remain resonable sometimes past the point where it matters any longer. Neville Chamberlain for but one example....

nick| 9.4.09 @ 8:51PM

Thom - careful here - I am a BIG fan of Winston - read most of his books - appeasement is what has been our foreign policy way too long - we never follow through and the guys who died - well they don't matter in the eyes of the Govt. - they want to play empire in concept but not in reality - they couldn't hold the sweat off the balls of the founders

Sue| 9.4.09 @ 8:57PM

Well, the Van Jones situation has sure not done conservatives any good. So far, the MSM has completely ignored all of the facts. I, for one, think that we do have a major problem in our Country.

When the truth doesn't get out, the citizens are harmed. Because of FDR's monopoly of the airwaves in the 1930s, the truth didn't get out; and, no new ideas for fighting the depression got in.

We are in a situation where communication of dissent will be shut down and no new ideas will be passed around and debated. The status quo will become, "the looters in charge once again."

This is a very real possibility. Look at the Dan Rather/G. Bush contrived controversy, the Clinton love affair with the media, the Swift Boaters and Kerry, the villification of any conservative who speaks out - Palin, Dole, McCain, and others.

They depend upon the message being destroyed. I'm afraid they will get it through the FCC.

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 9:02PM

Nick, I'm no fan of Neville. He did what all peacenicks always do, negotiate from a position of weakness (no Plan B) and never even grasp that the price of being wrong would be far greater than the price of negotiation and Plan B concurrently. Winston on the other hand having made some pretty big mistakes in his career did at least learn from them to his credit and the salvation of England at that time. I have no problems with Winston the man, a work in progress that did at least progress in life. England today however is nearly finished in the scheme of things. It would be far cheaper to just send the Iranians whatever uniforms, gear, weapons and alike rather than keep letting them take them (twice) without any sort of resistance. Says a lot doesn’t it.

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 9:18PM

"I for one, think that we do have a major problem in our Country." for going on about 70 years now..... We are at war and the government run media is censoring the news to protect the government. Not particularly new but...kind of what happens when all four branches of the government are controlled by the same politcal thought process. Wait till the government controls the government school system and health care system and..... whoops.......

Javert| 9.4.09 @ 9:19PM

We must stop funding the leviathan.

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 9:23PM

"We must stop funding the leviathan".

How?

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 9:25PM

We aren't funding it to its requirements now and it just borrows or print more money. How do we stop that?

Big J| 9.4.09 @ 9:33PM

Thom,

There are many ways to starve the beast.

Unfortunately, as you said, they can still print their sustenance. No one has figured out a way to stop that, but the right minds "collectively" could find a way.

www.myteamusa.org

We have a plan (more than one, truth be told), and are willing and able to implement it, but can't go it alone.

Hope to see you there.

Thom| 9.4.09 @ 9:44PM

BJ, understand. I've removed some of the beast's funds from the table lately (2%) and will do more as things play out but that "borrowing thing and printing press thing" is going to destroy us before we can find enough rope and put it to good use if this can't be turned around. 2016 will be the crest of the wave if we can make it that far, after that if is steadily down hill after that unless a whole lot of people get off their "arse" and start making wealth and paying taxes to pay for what they now expect and get for free.... Difficult times ahead (again).

Angel| 9.4.09 @ 10:20PM

Sue, Beck is responsible for Jones' demise and he's not part of the MSM. Keep pushing and keep speaking up: I know we can do this through sheer force of will.

Screw 'em--we've got the internet.

Geoge | 9.4.09 @ 10:25PM

The Triliogy did a good job laying out humanity in its sorted detail for both good and evil.
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THomas | 9.4.09 @ 10:27PM

Yeah,Javert !! how to stop funding the leviathan ?Got any ideas ?
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Angel| 9.4.09 @ 10:28PM

Big J, are you Old Texican?

Yes, Nick, I would love to be able to communicate more freely with you and Thom. I feel stunted trying to interact this way. It's frustrating.

You're NOT a coward--you're a lover not a fighter. Just teasing. Would you give your life for your baby? If you answer yes, you're obviously not a coward.

Thom, I know what you're saying; I just don't know what to do to work toward a resolution. What's next?

Proud_liberal| 9.4.09 @ 10:29PM

YOU ALL JUST CANT TAKE ACCEPT A BLACK MAN FOR PREZ! LEARN TO BE TOLERENT AND ACCEPT THAT OBAMA IS GOING TO FIX THIS COUNTRY FOR THE POOR AND HE IS GOING TO FIX WHAT IS BROKE!!!

Nobama| 9.4.09 @ 10:32PM

Shut up, moron! Damn, I'm sick of you ignorant losers. If you're so proud why do you expect others to pay your way? Get off your lazy @ss and go to work.

Stop being a blood sucker.

airjordan | 9.4.09 @ 10:48PM

Thanks for sharing news concerning "What did the Obama White House know about Van Jones and when did they know it"

Proud_liberal| 9.4.09 @ 11:05PM

U NO IM RITE!

Cow Rie| 9.4.09 @ 11:19PM

I have heard FOX commentators say Van the Man Jones would be out of the White House by the end of this week. So far nothing. And I think they are wrong. He will be there a week from now.

Van is Obama's boy. Obama and the inner circle of Hussein will not let him go, will not back down, and by Allah, they believe in Van Jones. Plus the MSM Media has YET to report on it. The arrogance of Obama will not let a fellow ideologue go down in flames, especially on the eve of Obama's Joint Session of Congress plea for wealth re=disribution, ..errr, HEALTH redistribution.. I mean, health care reform, uhhhhh... health insurance reform. Uhh, ignore that man behind the curtain!!!!

The fix is in people.

Cow Rie| 9.4.09 @ 11:21PM

O Proud pounting Liberal....

The only thing broke in America is the Leftist Logic of Hate and Silencing Dissent.

Missy| 9.4.09 @ 11:25PM

Cow Rie, Van Jones will be gone this weekend. Congress returns on Tuesday and Repubs will blast Jones if he's still there. MSM will have to cover the story then.

Obummer & Co. don't want that. LOL

Watch and see.

Johnno| 9.4.09 @ 11:26PM

Proud Liberal BLOOD SUCKER is more like it. Loser.

T.G. Bailey| 9.4.09 @ 11:36PM

Proverbs 27:19 (paraphrased) says: "A mirror reflects a man's face, but what he is really like is shown by the kind of friends he chooses". Van Jones, William Ayers, Valerie Jarrett, Bernadine Dorn, Rev. Wright, etc. Will Obama throw out the welcome mat for Khadafi?

eaglesdontflock| 9.4.09 @ 11:49PM

Can't you guys recognize sarcasm? Appleby was being sarcastic. Racism is The One's and his entourage's answer to everything.

California 70| 9.5.09 @ 12:11AM

This is for: T.E.A.M AMERICA
You people say.......
Quote: We founders are betting our lives, our fortunes, our freedom, and our honor, on the Declaration of Independence, and our Constitution...as written.

We believe that there are only two legal methods to change one comma of our Constitution: A Constitutional Convention of the 50 States...Or...A Constitutional amendment.

We believe that any law passed by Congress should be easily understood by a high school graduate....

I must confess...I don't know anything about this except...I just happen to come across some other writings relative to "A Constitutional Convention of the 50 States...Or...A Constitutional amendment." It didn't look like it was in the best interest of America. It left it wide open for the likes of Obama to really have a "field day" with our Laws and Institutions. I would certainly want to know a lot more of what you people are talking about before I got all half-cocked and joint some half-baked organization I didn't know a whole lot about at this juncture in time. Just look at all the organizations that have been started-up under the ACORN unbrella. Who would know???

Osamas Pajamas| 9.5.09 @ 12:42AM

Did someone propose a constitutional convention? That'd be nuts. It has a few defects, but letting Democrats get within a million miles of a constitutional convention is like letting the fox, no, the HYENA into the chicken coop, and these hyenas would chew up that document ---- "in the name of the people." First, finish off the hyenas. Then make sure that the perfectly-natural and universally-valid human rights of life, liberty, private property, and pursuit of personal happiness are explicitly imported from the Declaration of Independence into the Constitution, and ramify them, such that no part of that document contradicts any one of those rights of every American citizen.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 12:58AM

California 70, I've been blogging at AmSpec since the beginning: TEAM AMERICA is a new organization started by another AmSpec blogger, Old Texican. I'll vouch for him. Heck, it's only $20, what's the problem?

Besides, he's from Texas; that's good enough in my book. :p

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Michael L. Hauschild| 9.5.09 @ 7:30AM

A troll statistician was walking down the street and encountered a youngster carrying a box of puppies. He stopped the young man and in his best superior psudo - intellectual manner asked, “Have you written your letter about Obama yet and what do you have in the box?” The youngster, in awe of the man’s presence stammered. “Why, they are liberal puppies sir.”
Several weeks passed and the troll statistician once again met the young man carrying the box of puppies and this time he inquired, “Have you sent your letter of glowing praise for the chosen one to the New York Times and how are the liberal puppies?”
The young man, now older and wiser, stated, “ I am sorry sir but the puppies are now conservative puppies.”
The troll hastily scratched the puppies off his polling sample and asked, “Why are they now conservative puppies?”
The young man grinned and said, “Easy you incredible dumbass, like the rest of the country they are begging to open their eyes.”

drudge ette obama| 9.5.09 @ 7:38AM

Appleby, explanation understood. I, too, live in the Atlanta area and have experienced exactly the same Of Colour reactions. If you speak out against federal health care, then you are Racist. If you speak out against Obama, you are Racist.

Right now in Atlanta (College Park), a white economic development director of College Park just won a law suit against the city. He proved to the jury that Of Colour in power has the goal to replace all whites with Of Colours. This was also seen in the Dekalb County, Georgia local government. Of course, there is still a Cynthia McKinney highway sign on 285 in DeKalb County.

I am tired of the Van Jones of the world. He wastes our energy and bedevils all people with hate. Let's see his audience. Who are all those people clapping and cheering. Unitarians? I have met some Unitarians. They buy the expensive organic soap at Whole Foods.

Atlanta is the city too busy to hate, or so some people say. But that is all changed now. Now, the Of Colour community sends out letters that say, vote for the black mayorial candidate rather than the white lady. See the news article. http://www.ajc.com/news/atlant.....25014.html

Also, Atlanta's Of Colour groups are members of the Black Leadership Forum. Ostensibly, white guilters have allowed people Of Colour to group according to race. But what about what Martin Luther King, Jr. spoke about: color of skin is not a consideration. Go online to blackleadershipforum.org Ask yourselves why this is different from a national KKK organization? What are the ultimate goals?

Then go to bookerrising.net, a conservative black blog.

badnewzbearz| 9.5.09 @ 10:06AM

Yep. Van Jones - a radical communist community agitator (with a very big mouth) who hooks up with the enviro-statist movement. Gee, certainly sounds like Øbama's kind of guy to me.

What kills me are the people who wonder, "what kind of vetting is Team Øbama doing?" Heh, I'd say Øbama knew exactly what he was doing when he tapped Jones to be his point man on "green jobs." Why doesn't someone ask Jones how many green jobs he's created, and what are you doing with the 30 billion provided in that phony stimulus bill? Of course, we know he's not there to create any jobs. He's there to agitate against and punish our mainstream sources of energy, like oil, coal, natural gas, and so forth.

Like Mark Levin said: Van Jones is just the tip of the iceberg.

Solo| 9.5.09 @ 10:48AM

Ken Texican wrote:

" Ladies and gentlemen: Hopefully you can sign up now. We were shut down with the volume of sign up requests. www.myteamusa.org
Please join us. Here is our sign up page:

T.E.A.M AMERICA is not a group therapy session.

We founders are betting our lives, our fortunes, our freedom, and our honor, on the Declaration of Independence, and our Constitution...as written.

We believe that there are only two legal methods to change one comma of our Constitution: A Constitutional Convention of the 50 States...Or...A Constitutional amendment. "

Ken....I hate to be a stick in the mud, but, I have a question.

You've boasted over 4000 members so far at $20.00 a pop. What is it, exactly, that you intend to do with this $80,000.00 you've been handed (to run a website that costs about $400 per year) that can't be done from a network of like minded people for free?

spinpolitical | 9.5.09 @ 2:13PM

@ Grzmlyk:

Excellent post! Very erudite! (u used 2 of my favorite words, "obliquely, and obfuscation"...(you left out nefarious though) lol

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Good News: Van Jones Also A Mumia Supporter : The American Pundit – CelebrityTwitterG links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…arrested. Van Jones is a typical far-left radical, so none of this surprises me. There’s actually a bigger question to be asked here: What did the Obama Administration know about Van Jones and when it did they know it? The Obama White House is the most tech-savvy of any in American history. And yet they couldn’t dig up through Google that Van Jones is a communist, 9/11 Truther, Mumia supporter, and general…

spinpolitical | 9.5.09 @ 2:19PM

@badnewzbearz:

An even more compelling question might be: What qualifications does a lawyer and radical community usurper (Van Jones) have that bestows him as an authority on environment, geology, botany, bio-chemistry, chemical egineering, or any discipline that could in any way be deemed germaine to his authoritative position?

Vooda| 9.5.09 @ 2:23PM

I can't believe the amount of nonsensical hysteria in most of the posts. Where is the common sense? Where is the respect, dignity? Where is the civility? Don't you realize that your radical right winged bs is shredding our country? You are our country's domestic terrorists!

Vooda| 9.5.09 @ 2:23PM

JimP| 9.5.09 @ 3:33PM

Vooda: domestic terrorists? Wow, you have a really broad definition of terrorist. I guess it's working out well for our side somehow since you are so 'skeered'. How are we shredding the country? By that are you referring to "dissent" which "is the highest form of patriotism"? Do you think we are all supposed to just line up and do what you and Obama say to do? Sounds like a Police State. Is that what you're after, a Police State? Like North Korea or Cuba or the old Soviet Union?

Solo| 9.5.09 @ 4:31PM

Vooda Wrote:

"I can't believe the amount of nonsensical hysteria in most of the posts. Where is the common sense? Where is the respect, dignity? Where is the civility? Don't you realize that your radical right winged bs is shredding our country? You are our country's domestic terrorists! "

You obviously don't get it, do ya?

"Hysteria" is irrelevant.
Your version of "common sense" is irrelevant.
Your interpretations of "respect", "dignity" and "civility" are irrelevant.

We live in a Constitutional Republic. The whole purpose of a Constitutional Republic is to hold its citizens harmless from rapacious assh*les like you who would form a mob to go forth and steal from others that which they cannot (or will not) acquire for themselves.

We, as conservatives, want nothing from you. We demand nothing of you. We do not covet anything of yours. We want only to be left the f*ck alone!

But..that is never good enough for the left, is it? No...you'll never be happy until you have forced your "world view" and your "values" onto the rest of this nation!

You speak of what is "shredding" our country? You talk of "terror"?
You are who are "shredding" our country. And those of your ilk are the real terrorists.

JimP| 9.5.09 @ 4:35PM

SOLO: Way to go. Very well said. Wonder why Vooda hasn't checked back in? :)

bill| 9.5.09 @ 4:46PM

Pleeeze...we don't even know Barry's GPA from college or law school. We know less about our dear leader than we know about Van Jones.

gme| 9.5.09 @ 5:43PM

Yes dissent is the highest form of patriotism...too bad W. Bush wouldn't allow ANY dissent in ANY form. How many people were removed from his rallies for wearing a "Get out of the war" shirt? The crimes of the Bush administration are too numerous to list, from illegally wire tapping americans, to torture, to giving corporations non-bid contracts etc.... But Beck and the rest of the right wingers sat silent, while he took the largest budget surplus in our country's history and not only wiped it out, but plunged us into the BIGGEST deficit in our history.... right wing sat quiet. Started a war that has taken thousand of young american lives.... right wing sat silent. Changed the scientific data on climate warming to fit the White House opinion.... right wing sat silent. But because Obama has black skin, the closet racists just have to fine any little thing to discredit his presidency. The right wing are nothing but foolish children, with nothing better to do than call names. I think the GOP is going the way of the dinosaur.

Marc Jeric| 9.5.09 @ 6:03PM

"gme" - ignore him, he is just another ACORN thug. In the meantime let us translate:
1) community organizations = local soviets;
2) White House advisors (czars) = komissars.
Are the things getting clearer?

JimP| 9.5.09 @ 6:04PM

gme: LOL. You gotta do better than that. Bush didn't allow dissent? What about all those BushHitler signs and the movie about assassinating Bush and 'Farenheit 9/11' and on and on. Yeah, that wasn't dissent. Crimes? Ha. Lame dude. Beck? You obviously never watched him. Biggest surplus evah? Never heard that before. Where was the right? Complaining, yes. You didn't hear us because you were all protesting/dissenting yelling 'Bush Lied: People Died". Manmade Global Warming? LOL Check the temps the last ten years Einstein. Down, like the number of people employed. Racists? LOL again. That's one of your arguments? Show us some actaul proof. None of the your you guys disagree therefore you're all bigots bull. Show us where anyone on our side has used an epithet etc. We anxiously await your reply. Have a nice weekend gme. I can't wait to keep my kids out of school on Tuesday and read how much lower Obama's poll numbers are and find out about the most recent lunatic ravings of Van Jones, Green Job czar, that have been exposed. Also, thanks for the laughs, gme. You're mental and its a gas!

Marc Jeric| 9.5.09 @ 6:11PM

Let us deal with these communist propaganda items:
1) that disbarred felon Clinton' s "budget surplus" was the result of his halving the defense budget;
2) The terrific deficits and the recession started with the Democrat majorities after the 2006 elections;
3) Carters CRA as enforced by Clinton, Frank, Dodd etc. caused the financial meltdown - they gave houses to "underserved minorities" who had no hope of paying those phony mortgages. The Democrat majorities refused regulations regarding those 3 million phony mortgages.

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 6:36PM

Angel, some simple suggestions.

If freedom is worth dying for, life is certainly worth living. Don’t get stuck in the past or let current events dictate your daily life. Think as far forward as you can and plan on living life toward that end……

Preparations, be they for natural or manmade disasters are necessary to in order to minimize not becoming part of the problem when such things occur. Where I live both are probable. After 9/11 I combined several things I know how to do and like to do into disaster preparations. In 2003 a Cat 1 Hurricane beat up the entire state for over 10 hours which left me without power of any kind for nine and a half days. My neighbors and I cut our way out to the main road to allow a path for help to get in. It never came. I went to work every day, had plenty of food, water, lights, cooking fuel, etc but no electrical power at all outside the phone line’s 9 volts. I even had several days of Internet use because I had battery backup capability. I took “showers” every day so to speak. I could have provided heat for most of that time had it been winter. The point being a limited effort at being able to get by without things we take for granted most of the time made me part of the solution not part of the problem. I helped others who tried to live out of their frig….. By the standards of Katrina this was trivial but the preparations (thinking far ahead) would still pay off.

Coupled to that is the real possibility of civil unrest and disorder. I won’t sugar coat it. Your neighbors and friends will either be your worst nightmare or a better friend than you would have ever imagined. I can carry my own weight in dealing with the most likely situations. Fred Flintstone wrote the original three laws regarding this situation (the Three Laws of a Rock fight) but the principles are applicable and universal regardless of the time. Simple put you need the “means”, “mindset”, “skill set” and intellectual prowess to do mortal combat and know when you can’t win a losing situation. Like the preparations I made for natural or manmade disasters I can meet those requirements. Like those material preparations I made back in 2001, once made I simply put everything in its place and live my life.

Doing such accomplishes two broad goals.
One, you are less likely to become part of the problem; Two you put the matter out of your mind and concentrate on longer term goals and not dwell in (react to) current events to the exclusion of other matters. Who controls the “news” and what you react to day in and day out?

Finally, we still have a political process in place. It takes some time for that to respond effectively. As individuals we need to be both effective and respected for expressing our views. If we become just part of the noisy background then we become marginalized and ineffective. If the political process fails to response properly or becomes fruitless you won’t miss the “memo” on that. Dumbmocracies have never worked anywhere they have been tried. By that I mean everyone having their say and getting their wishes. A focused message must be built upon in a representative Republic in order for this to work. The more people that make the proper preparations for Plan B the more focused the message is. There are a host of things you can do to help others in their efforts but if you don’t have Plan B in place you are putting a lot of “hope” on a fool’s quest. If you aren’t there then it will take time to get there and we have time. What we don’t have are miracle solutions in a political environment where we have no power. The Constitution exists to check MOB rule and Plan B is enumerated there also.

Ultimately you must be prepared to enforce the Constitutional checks on government at the individual level. If you are prepared for that then live your life, support the legal and peaceful efforts to bring our grievances to the forefront of attention and watch your in box every now and then. It won’t hurt to have your loved ones and family on board too.

vooda| 9.5.09 @ 7:04PM

SOLO AND JIM - OH I GET IT ALL TO WELL. UNLIKE THE LIKES OF YOU I AM NOT BRAINWASHED AND CAN THINK FOR MYSELF. YOUR PARTY IS IN SUCH A SAD STATE THAT IT IS THREATENING TO IMPLODE ON ITSELF AND IT SHOULD... OUR COUNTRY WILL BE BETTER OFF WITH SUCH EXTREME RADICALISM. It is so sad because the republican party was once a great option for differing philosophy's but now it's a party of buffoons.

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Bob| 9.5.09 @ 7:30PM

I've been reading through the comments, and there are several obvious conclusions:

1. There is no question that AmSpec's audience consists of a high majority of white Christians.

2. It is obvious why the Republican party cannot attract blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and anyone else who is not a white, anti-abortion Christian.

3. There is no difference between a "truther" and a "birther" except for the political affiliation -- they are both nuts.

4. There are clear reasons why Van Jones should not serve in our government -- and they are political in nature.

5. Glenn Beck is still an idiot like Malkin and Limbaugh. He didn't know how to spell "Oligarchy" and didn't realize that historically, when all of the "art" he's been talking about was instituted, the Rockefeller's were REPUBLICANS.

6. The group that posts here is so out of touch with average Americans it is hilarious.

nick| 9.5.09 @ 7:39PM

Thom/Angel - Thom that is excellent advice - the thing I would add is that most local govt's have their own "emergency" plans in place that are very scarey - not being part of the problem, having prepared for your own needs, has the unforeseen possibility that they will come and get what you have - the point being that if you have done a plan B then do so carefully and without letting others know. The power of the Leviathan, even at local levels will come and take what you have. They will call it hoarding or some other crap but come they will. Thom is directly on point regargding neighbors. Unless you really know and trust them they are a very great danger as they will have seen that you have a plan B and expect you to help them in times of need - its the old tale of the grass hopper and the ant - human nature does not change - in our new PC world those who have taken measures to address potential problems will be expected to "share" with those who did not plan - share in this context means confiscation by govt authority - just think about it.

JimP| 9.5.09 @ 8:31PM

Hey Vooda, what are you screaming for? Wow, I guess we have you terrorized, huh? Or are you screaming because you can't anwer the questions, so like all sentient beings who think for themselves you respond with shouting and projections of brainwashing. It takes one to know one as they say in North Korea, Cuba and used to say in the U.S.S.R. Thanks for the intellectually stimulating conversation. BTW, if we are such a lost cause, why are you here? It seems very petty to taunt the helpless. You seem...well, frustrated and to have anger issues. Have you considered professional help? Does Dr. Chicago have a good shrink that he recommends to his O-bots or do you just get a re-programmer to handle psychic overloads?

TTFN Comrade

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 8:33PM

"1. There is no question that AmSpec's audience consists of a high majority of white Christians.

2. It is obvious why the Republican party cannot attract blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and anyone else who is not a white, anti-abortion Christian. "

Bob,

Ben Stein and Jay Homnick would be impressed by the magnitude of your shear ignorance and allegiance to identity politics. You just can’t let go of your hatred of Christians can you?

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 8:45PM

Nick, your reality is closer to mine than Thom's; I understand where you're coming from. Did you get my E-mail?

Thanks for your advice, Thom--I appreciate it. I'm not sure how much of it is applicable to my situation, but I will study it.

nick| 9.5.09 @ 8:46PM

Angel - check you in-box - yes

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 8:53PM

Nick, first off modern day survival has a lot less to do with what you see in a Hollywood movie than most might think. 30 days food and water fits in one closet. You won’t even notice it unless I pointed it out. The ability to get clean water after that I also have. A couple shelves cover the whole deal. Second, people will come to get my stuff for sure. I call them my friends and I and they will only be in this area long enough to pack and get out. It is not defensible. A Cat 1 storm made it almost impassable alone. Katrina did massive damage across a huge area that was very low population density compared to where I’m at. The less people that stay in the area the better for all concerned. Third, I have the luxury and have had the time to duplicate Plan B somewhere else. I’m “networked” with others of like mind. Rambo mindsets do not and will not survive. Depending on the nature of the problem I can weather in place short of real civil unrest. The first rule of survival is to survive. I’ve got nothing to prove to anyone including myself. The first move of martial arts is always in defense not offense. I live that.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 8:56PM

Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, other assorted Conservatives, etc. are driving the debate in our country right now. The Democrats' mojo is gone; they've been knocked back on their heels, and I find it hilarious to watch them run around like chickens with their heads cut off.

Perhaps this is what Jeremiah Wright meant when he screeched, "America's chickens have come home to roost." Looks like those are liberal chickens!! Ha hahaha.

Vooda, someone called: Your rubber room is waiting for you.

nick| 9.5.09 @ 9:03PM

Angel - While I am not aware of your situation I can only say that Thom's advice is spot on and can be adapted to any situation if you think about it enough - even if you are in an apartment in a highly urbanized area you can still plan and take appropriate action - what I find so great about Thom's advice is the focus on the mind set - he nails it on that issue - if you don't have that down and have not thought through the ramifications, then there is no point in having a plan B.

Bobc| 9.5.09 @ 9:12PM

I find it sad that all this info was out there, during the campaign, and when I tried to alert people to what kind of people Obama associalted with, even being a member of the New Party....they called me a racist, a redneck, a hillbilly, or worse...even when I provided a link.

They refused to read the link, and just called me a liar!

We now have thugs supporting thugs and I am so scared our Country has been taken over by all of them, Hopefully Beck has awakened many.

Also, the old saying, "follow the money"...it always leads to George Soros, it wouldn't surprise me to hear that he actually wrecked our economy with the help of others, to get Obama elected.

nick| 9.5.09 @ 9:16PM

Thom - sounds like you have a great Plan B then - I have had to worry about a total of four so my supplies are a bit larger - I live in a somewhat rural area and that gives me some leeway - the house is undefensible but I also have family within a reasonable distance and they are of like mind - part of my B is already there - I agree on your comment about Rambo mindsets but you have to anticipate that there will be alot of those out there - those whose plan and preparation is to be a looter.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 9:17PM

Nick, it's networking. I've lived through major earthquakes and wild fires so I understand stockpiling supplies--but I know that won't be enough over the long haul.

One of my sisters lives about 250 miles north of me and is looking for good land to farm with lots of fruit trees and water access. Both of my parents were raised on Ohio farms, so I've got farming in my blood. I guess that's my plan B--but it's not for sure yet.

Self defense concerns me most right now, that's why Thom's first post intrigued me.

Networking really is the only way to go. Rambo? Are you kidding? Not with kids that's for sure. It'll probably be family oriented for me, especially being a woman and all. I'm strong; I run and lift weights--but I ain't no Ramboette!

I have a good friend who was a Recon Marine. I'll talk to him, he's crazy smart.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 9:21PM

Bobc, you're not alone. I had to stop talking about politics with my family--I got sick of the fighting.

I'm sure this has played out all over the country. It's a real shame.

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 9:24PM

Angel, if you live in a high density urban area (Mordor = inner city) area your options narrow a bit. Rental property narrows again. As I previously said, I’m networked with others and have prepositioned a copy of Plan B elsewhere, a place where I’m welcome and would be part of a larger community of friends in a more survivable area. If your current location is unsuitable then it is unsuitable. All you need where you are is the means to leave it with some safety and support for the trip elsewhere. Most people can go somewhere else if need be. Like I said I live where both natural and manmade disasters are probable making my home of nearly 6 decades something I’ve concluded is simply not survivable under the worst of scenarios. Most of “fly over” country does not have the limitations I have here. Avoiding an avoidable problem is rule number one and just common sense. There is no template that works for everyone. What I said about going to some place among friends is key also. The first few days of any crisis situation are the worst and most difficult to deal with. Preparation and a plan take some of the sting out of that. I had an edge or two and could combine several activities I already do into a Plan. Sounds like you are going to have to start from scratch. The learning is worth the admission ticket in the end.

nick| 9.5.09 @ 9:31PM

Angel - abosolutely agree that networking is the key - my sister who lives half-way across the country and I have been in close contact - considering exactly the same thing about a farm - both us were raised on one and know how it works - but on a larger level, networking is important because there must be a core of folks who can work together through the hard times, should they come, and maintain the ideals of what made this such a great republic. Your Recon Marine can teach you all you need to know about self-defense - that's easy - its the mind set that is important.

Good night - got put the little one to bed.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 9:42PM

I've had the mind set for a long time (huge earthquakes will do that to you!). It's putting that survival mind set into action that's been a challenge.

Take care.

jhn| 9.5.09 @ 9:48PM

I can't help but wonder if Beck is using Van Jones to distract the public from the allegations that he raped and murdered a young girl in 1990.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 9:48PM

I'm not in a big city, thank God--but farming is not really tenable with my neighbors. The thought makes me laugh!

I'm not starting from scratch either--I've done a good share of work toward a Plan B, it just seems that things are speeding up quickly. Again, thanks for your thoughts, Thom.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 9:50PM

Van Jones raped and murdered a young girl in 1990? That disgusting commie pig! Why isn't the filthy criminal already in jail?

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 9:53PM

Nick, a Great Plan would get me to another planet... The Plan is good enough for here.
Angel, a long term survivable plan will be composed of a community of people with different skill sets each complimenting others with different skill sets. I’m no farmer but I’m fond of eating on a regular basis. An effective plan requires that you meet the requirements and move to the next point in the plan. Perfections is not possible so don’t get wrapped up in the minute details. Details grow over time as your refine your thoughts. If it is too complex it won’t work under most conditions so KIS is applicable.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 10:11PM

How disgusting!! I could end up living on a commune. I think I'm going to be sick.

Just kidding.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 10:14PM

Big City = Mordor: Scary, true and kind of hilarious at the same time.

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 10:18PM

Angel, you don't find Orcs being manufactured in fly over country do you? It takes a rat colony existence to help the gestation process along.

VOODA| 9.5.09 @ 10:21PM

LOL....per Angel...Democrats have lost their mojo, the repubs have the dems running like chickens...oh my dear are you confused. I would say to stop watching the imbeciles on FAUX news...the channel for inferior minds....they are seriously misleading you. (out of Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh none of them graduated from college and at least two have/had drug problems) The fools in here can continue to commiserate with all their delusional thoughts on our country and its political arena, but I prefer to converse with people with at least one foot in the real world. Ta Ta.....

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 10:26PM

Good riddance, the stench is dissipating already.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 10:30PM

I loved the Ents (Tree Beard)--they were my favorites. Trees are awesome--I used to climb them when I was a kid. I probably still could!

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 10:32PM

Angel, you know you are dealing with an Orc because the last phase of transformation moves one brain cell from each of the important centers to the genitals. There's no capacity left to do anything beyond the most basic instincts after that. That’s why it is so easy to tell what is on their mind, there is only one thing they care about after full Orc ification.

Missy| 9.5.09 @ 10:32PM

VOODA, Obama is a chain smoker who used to be a crackhead--better watch your 'druggie' insults. Besides, I thought you liberals were all about weed and blow. You can't get your stories straight, can you?

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 10:34PM

I fell out of one and my face slowed the decent. Not Tree Bread to help me..... Know who WormTongue is a composite of ?

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 10:42PM

Absolutely no hearts in those Orcs, either. That I know for sure. I think that's what creeps me out most about liberals--they talk a lot about love and tolerance, but neither exists within their hearts of stone. Stone cold. Death Panel encapsulates liberalthink.

I googled 'Black Shirts'. SS types, right? Smart and educated; they do the 'wet' work? Ugh. Gave me nightmares last night.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 10:46PM

I've never fallen all of the way out of a tree--but I've come real close! I grabbed every branch and limb I could on my descent; I was scratched and bleeding all over. But I was alive! My mom was so mad at me, but what could she say? I was just like her. lol

Worm Tongue?

Thom | 9.5.09 @ 10:54PM

SS types, sort of but the larger point (with Orcs and Black Shirts = one and the same), the power to destroy or save a Nation always rest with “good men”. When “good men” turn to the dark side or rationalize reasons to make deals with the devil for short term gains so to speak then pain and suffering aren’t far behind. Over 10,000,000 Germans served Hitler at the German armed forces total which would make that about the max number of abled body adult males that could. 10% is about the max of a population any Nation can maintain on a war footing. Were all these people “bad men” in effect? Our future rest on the shoulders of “good men” who sooner or later are going to have to either say “no” in a rather in your fact way or succumb to usual list of worldly treasures promised by yet another false prophet. Given the unconditional allegiance we see to a cult personality I’d say we have our work cut out for us.

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 10:57PM

Worm Tongue, yes. Juda. Important role in the story. Worked for the White Tower wizard....and betrayed him in the book.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 11:10PM

Yes, I remember him. Nasty. He kept whispering in the old man's ear. I thought he was a King not a wizard. I read the 4 books when I was a kid and have perused them lightly over the years, but I've probably forgotten some of the details.

Tolkien wrote the Hobbit and the Trilogy as an allegory of the rise of Hitler, right? Incredible work.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 11:14PM

The SS was different from the regular army, though. They were the stealth fighters, the enforcers--kind of like ATF and FBI at Waco. I know a lot of people would be majorly p!ssed off about the comparison, but I couldn't have incinerated those babies and young children. That was evil.

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 11:15PM

Tolkien wrote the Hobbit and the Trilogy as an allegory of the rise of Hitler, right? He said no when asked but later said, sort of but that the evil you see is universal and indeed it is. That's why I don't get wrapped up in labels and don't wear one. WormTongue =Axlerod (sp), Rahm, Van Jones types.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 11:17PM

Well, then, who is Soros?

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 11:22PM

Soros and others collectively are the "eye" Sauron. Have you seen the movies?

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 11:23PM

If you don't know history, you are doomed to repeat it. Yup. It's human nature, we are fallen creatures; over the centuries the same scenario has played out over and over again as variations on a theme.

I'm just trying to keep myself and those I love out of the way of this particular example of a 'variation on a theme'. I wish I could protect everybody, but it doesn't work that way

Ran| 9.5.09 @ 11:23PM

Angel,
Yeah. Odd... the most important scenes in the book - near the very end - were left out of the movie. Frodo, Sam & Co. return the the Shire and must battle to save the place from fascist thugs. Tolkien was warning about the enemy at home and the need for eternal vigilance. Not that we would ever have neo-fascist thugs attempt to fundamentally destroy America as we know it...

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 11:27PM

Yes, you could say Soros is the 'eye' of Sauron, but I don't want to give him that kind of power. I think it's Satan or temptation. I've seen the movies and they're excellent, but they can't compare to the books. The books were mind blowing--have you read them?

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 11:27PM

Angel, today most people's concept of history starts around their birth or later. We truly have an ignorant population where as understanding the need to to not reinvent the wheel every couple generations.

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 11:29PM

I got the Triliogy but didn't get beyond chapter one before seeing the first movie. Jackson wanted the movies to stand on their own and they do so I didn't want to confuse the two given how much detail had to be left out of the movies.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 11:30PM

Hi, Ran--how are you? What do you think about our "survivalist" thread? Light summer reading, wouldn't you say?

Thom| 9.5.09 @ 11:39PM

Angel, nite nite. I'll check in on Sunday....

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 11:42PM

Thom, if possible, buy "The Hobbit" and find a way to read it first--followed by the Trilogy. They are SO worth it. The insight was deeper, so much more resonant than the movies. I learned to love Tree Beard by reading Tolkien's beautiful description of the Ents' emotions and memories. Maybe that's why I still love trees so much!

I read those 4 books the summer before eighth grade and I can remember that time like it was yesterday. It was life changing for me at that age.

Angel| 9.5.09 @ 11:43PM

Night, Thom.

johnny | 9.6.09 @ 1:53AM

Great column, Jeffrey, and the questions you asked are probably why they just said on Fox News (radio) that Van Jones is resigning. Somebody didn't want those questions answered!

Nobama| 9.6.09 @ 3:06AM

I wonder what's up with the rest of Obama's czars.

Czars Gate!

Nobama| 9.6.09 @ 3:07AM

Congratulations, Glenn!! Watch your back.

Pingback| 9.6.09 @ 3:18AM

Why The “Czar” Van Jones Resignation Is Even More Important links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Van Jones Resigns! One Victory..Do Not Rest Now Why The “Czar” Van Jones Resignation Is Even More Important September 6th, 2009 | Author: drillanwr A couple days ago Jeffrey Lord @ American Spectator wrote a column: “The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right” It adresses Jeffrey Lord’s own personal problem with being vetted by the Secret Service … and how the…

Michael L. Hauschild| 9.6.09 @ 4:29AM

Drudge is reporting that Van Jones has resigned.
Glenn Beck 1, Van Jones 0.

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Good-bye to the Truther Communist: Czar Van Jones Quits as Result of Controversy « F links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Memo to GOP candidates: Stop mindlessly praising Commies in green clothing FrontPageMag.com: Obama’s Communist Advisor and His Billion-Dollar Army Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right Fire Andrea Mitchell!: Communist Van Jones is a TRUTHER too! High-level government officials may have deliberately allow 9/11 to occur Frugal Café Blog Zone: You Kiss Your…

Bob| 9.6.09 @ 8:39AM

Thom, you said this:

"Ben Stein and Jay Homnick would be impressed by the magnitude of your shear ignorance and allegiance to identity politics. You just can’t let go of your hatred of Christians can you?"

The Republican party even has a couple of blacks and Hispanics. But that doesn't change the argument that Jews vote overwhelmingly for Democrats. 77% of Jews voted for Obama. If he weren't black, it would have been in the low 80's. As to hatred of Christians, I am an equal opportunity "hater" -- Christians no more than anyone else. I do have a bias against idiots who don't know how to assess data -- like, let's say, using an example of two people out of millions to make a point about the millions (as you did).

Michael L. Hauschild| 9.6.09 @ 8:40AM

"Obama's Green Czar Van Jones resigns, says he was victim of 'vicious smear campaign'"

Who would have guessed the NYT would be out of race cards?

Eagles| 9.6.09 @ 9:00AM

'Cause he's aaaaalllllready gone!
I will siiiiinnnnnggggg this victory song,
'Cause he's aaaaalllllready gone!
Woo hoo hoo!
Woo hoo hoo!

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.6.09 @ 9:56AM

SOLO wrote:

""Ken....I hate to be a stick in the mud, but, I have a question.

Solo!

Thank you! You have asked precisely the right question.

May I begin by answering you with a question? Ok. Why is there no national "network of like-minded people" doing something critical ALREADY?

Hey, I've been to three hugely successful Tea-Parties here in Houston. Networking is a wonderful start.
But, simple networking cannot accomplish what must be done, and right the hell now!

( I just finished a very long post above, but when I submitted it, it did not come up on Spectator.) I am frankly condensing the post, typing a summary here on WORD, and hopefully cut and paste it successfully there without losing it again.

Networking is very familiar to me. A few years ago when the oil field industry here in Texas collapsed due to over supply of cheap oil and gas, I had been backed into the career counseling business by former customers and suppliers trying to help their layed off employees. I had recently "retired" as CEO of a fortune sized company, was financially secure, and enjoyed helping.
I was asked to speak to a group of "networkers". About 600 people showed up, very motivated to finding meaningful work and re-shaping their careers...while remaining here in Texas in a drastically shrunken "job-market".

A few very bright people and I first defined the problems, then generated solutions. ie: Get new capital into Texas from diverse industries who were flush with expansion capital as a result of low cost oil and gas.
We went and got the capital!
We gave each "opt in networker" (cost $10 from these nearly bankrupt people)
Then we turned around and handed each of them a copy of "What Color Is Your Parachute?" by Richard Bolles, and then taught them to apply it...straight line...no resume' mailing.

.....a huge success, and today Texas has a VERY diversified economy and virtually all of the "opt ins" got great jobs very quickly.

T.E.A.M. AMERICA is not merely a web-site! We are ALL ABOUT ACTION! On our homepage there is an "insta-link" to the Spectator, and some other critical sites, but these sites are for analysis of events and commentary. I love coming here,
BUT!
OUR TEAM has figured out how to "pink-slip" the weaklings, sellouts, (and pardon the shorthand), communists, who have gotten control of our government.

Second, we have generated some brilliant ACTIONS to stop them in their tracks...right the heck now!

We have identified the TWO most powerful groups of citizens in America, and we are going to try to simply coordinate those actions among them. Early on, the money is going to be spent contacting them via the internet, and phone, and recruiting them to our team.

In closing, I want to quote a scripture "Be ye doers of the Word, and not hearers only..."
We want doers and we hope you doers here will join us.
Best regards

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.6.09 @ 10:02AM

I forgot www.myteamusa.org or http://judgeroy.wordpress.com to read our lead article.

Trotters = defeeted pigs| 9.6.09 @ 10:15AM

Malt liquor summit, stat! Get Gates in here too!

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 9.6.09 @ 10:51AM

May Obama's next green czar be a masculine green czar.

brinksmom| 9.6.09 @ 11:43AM

Calling everyone who criticizes Obama as racist is exactly why Obama was the "Chosen One" to usher in Socialism to America. Most sheeple cannot separate the dancer from the dance, and all the criticism can be deflected as "racist".
It does not matter what color the President is-it is his beliefs and positions that makes him dangerous. We watched the Manchurian Candidate last night. Is that what we got for our President?
Glenn Beck should be nominated for sainthood. He has put his life and personal fortune on the line to tell us the truth. What a monumental shame so many will not hear!

JT Morris| 9.6.09 @ 11:57AM

Obama will do to America's racial relations - that which the KKK could never have accomplished.

Obama's administration will bring the dreaded "N" word back into common usage as the BEST description of the character of the characters involved..

Thom| 9.6.09 @ 12:11PM

Bob, 77% of Jews, 85% of Hispanics, 85% of Asians and 95% of Black Africans voted for a white elitist dominated political Party that promises things it cannot deliver by virtue of having to steal from those that produce the most in this society in order to solve a social problem that has no solution in thievery and you see virtue in that and blame the ones that don’t advocate thievery on a grand scale or make promises to rob Peter to pay Paul and I see a pathology of self delusion and personal destruction.
You see virtue in mass slavery and dependence on a ruling elite while I see self reliant people just trying to keep what is rightfully theirs owing to the sweat of their brows. You see a problem because Republicans aren’t Democrats. I see the natural response to someone trying to rob you blind rather than live a self delusion and defeating fantasy that everything and every problem revolves around “race”. My Appalachian relatives would find the concept of “race” having anything to do with their plight truly ridiculous in a moment of candor.
You seek comfort in a “group”, I don’t. I seek the character and values a person has, you seek their “race” first because misery likes company and their “race” defines their level of victimhood in your world. A convert to Judaism would be hard pressed to explain how they changed their “race” over night and likewise does converting from “Judaism” really save you from people that say they hate “jews”? No.
Every population of people has a top, a middle and a bottom of cultural values regardless of the proportion of each. Even a racial pure culture like Asia has these breakdowns but no one (outside of Asias) would consider Japanese, Koreans and Chinese different “races” but they do and will kill each other in great numbers for the usual reasons.
You see virtue where I see a self destructive pathology at work. That’s all. Clearly all the millions of Germans that fought for Hitler couldn’t be wrong could they?

Pingback| 9.6.09 @ 12:55PM

http://www.rightreborn.com/2009/09/06/communist-green-czar-van-jones-ousted/ links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…also a beaut New 'truth' for Van Jones: find a new job $tiffed stud farm sues NYer Fire crews warned on sick time The American Spectator The Last of the Macacas The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right Killing Girls Is Bad, Killing Boys Is Okay Big Labor's Benefits The Fall of a Journalist The Washington Times White House tries to refocus health care debate Toddler, 3…

Missy| 9.6.09 @ 1:20PM

Bob's an anklebiter. Ignore the libtard troll.

Pingback| 9.6.09 @ 1:32PM

Van Jones Is A Feature…Not A Bug Of The Obama Administration | Pierre Legrand's Pink links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…and Al Qaeda Connections and Collaboration Van Jones Is A Feature…Not A Bug Of The Obama Administration Former White House staffer under President Reagan, Jeffery Lord puts together a solid if unimaginative article directing Glenn Beck to ask the following questions. Here are the questions Glenn Beck and others should be asking, based on my own personal experience: Who on the White House staff…

Thom| 9.6.09 @ 1:41PM

Missy, serves a purpose to see just how much of a person’s soul they will sell for a few pieces of silver and the temporary comfort of the MOB today. Political opportunists are a dime a dozen in this society. If “BOBs” sainted “reason” was the master of political events we would still be a British Colony. You would have had to be in a very defiant minority, quiet unreasonable and a little bit “nuts” to go up against the British Army in the 1770-1780s time period. Which side do you think the “Bobs” of the world would have been on after Bunker Hill? No doubt in my mind from day one.
Never the less your point is completely valid.

constant gina | 9.6.09 @ 2:18PM

I guarantee plenty of Obama haters are rejoicing right about now!

Bob| 9.6.09 @ 3:01PM

Thom, it is actually you, Missy, and others who gain comfort by posting here among your "group" rather than engaging those with whom you disagree. Perhaps you need to learn a bit more about history. It was the more conservative politicians who wanted to stay a British colony -- not those of us who actually thought about freedoms and the logic behind government.

Ken is quite funny. He won't admit that he is a capitalist who is trying to make money from his web site. Ken, there is no shame in a for profit venture -- but you seem to duck the question. Furthermore, if it were really legitimate, he would put up his name on the site -- be he just wants to hide. So, Ken, what Fortune 100 company did you attain CEO status. You must surely be proud of that achievement. Please let us know.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.6.09 @ 5:08PM

Hah! Bob
Yeah I was very proud at age 27 to be hired as CEO...fortune 500 not 100... company. If you ever repent and be born again, I will tell you which one...s....I turned around.
Ancient history. I am best known now for my books, though written mostly under a pen name.
(not all)
I am now CFO. (My wife is my boss to do a redundancy) heh! of a public company.

Oh yes, I am a proud capitalist, but I have a day job to exercise those muscles.
Once we get about ten thousand TEAM members...I shall issue regular financial statements and every team member can see where the money goes...or went, as the case may be. A lot of Spectators have joined and we swap e-mails when I have a minute.

Fortunately, my day job internet marketer is a TEAM member and a Veteran. He is brilliant and has taken us virally across the internet.

We sincerely hope to have a million teammates by Christmas. In the meantime, we have a wonderful "meeting room under the bleachers".

There are no nutcases, wannabees, or Jew haters, because we quietly screen them out. Liars last about five minutes before we refund their money....and screen them out.

(speaking of money, do you have any idea how many screwballs are screened out by a mere $20 ?)
Nah, we truly have no time for pikers. If they won't RISK $20 for a totally wasted hope, we don't need them. Every business person risks more than that every hour of every day.

What is delightful is to get the e-mails and comments saying in a lot of ways..."WOW, we really can turn this country around can't we?"

Bob, we have tapped the heart of the country, with THE two most powerful groups within the country...ie: the "small" business community & military Veterans.
When I call The Republican Party in Virginia and tell them I am "TEAM AMERICA"...They, by George get their heads out of their ......s and pay attention.
Well they should!
We only need 218 congresspeople doing as we ask them to wreck the Obama communist administration.
So, yeah, I am thrilled. For several months I sat and watched dawns wondering what to do.
Then it dawned on me and I acted.
I shall let TEAM AMERICA REST ON IT'S OWN MERITS.
Good day.

Missy| 9.6.09 @ 5:26PM

Like I said before; why bother with an anklebiter? Bob's a libtard troll who pretends to be a RINO who voted for Obama because Palin was not as smart as Biden.

Got That? If you do, please explain it to me. Thanks.

Missy| 9.6.09 @ 5:30PM

Bob, the liar, demands truth of Old Texican. That's what I call Chutzpah!

Thom| 9.6.09 @ 5:59PM

“Thom, it is actually you, Missy, and others who gain comfort by posting here among your "group" rather than engaging those with whom you disagree”
Really Bob? Who is up at sunrise on every weekday and posting on this web site till sunset every time Palin is mentioned? Or some commentator makes comments you disagree with? Me or You? You clearly have your favorites since you show up on certain ones like clockwork. You are a regular fixture here from dawn till dusk on weekdays, I’m not. You could have your own column in fact. If they pay by the pound of responses you might supplement your retirement income for a while. Letters to the Editor however seem to scare you off for some reason. You’ve got all day and part of the night to compose one too.
You make some pretty far reaching assumptions here for which you don’t have a single government report to back you up. Why is that? Doesn’t feed your need your instant gratification need as well? This single statement proves you aren’t about reason “I studied Socialism and reasoned it would not work “here” and later went on to say Socialism is an economic system. Sure and all the leaders of both Fascism and all the flavors of Marx were only interested in economic progress and all that stuff with the MOBs, violence, 150 million dead was a big misunderstanding. Pure academic nonsense given the nearly 100 years of evidence at hand even excluding what has transpired after you came to this enlightened observation. You fought the Communists in Vietnam because it wouldn’t work there either Bob? Some serous people really disagreed with you on that didn’t they? You slaughtered them 10-20 to one and they kept coming back. So much for reason right Bob? It’s not really that important to know why someone would go off to fight a war in a foreign county against Karl Marx’s ultimate destination and then embrace the “light” intermediate version back at home when all is said and done but I am curious of the rationalizations as to why you fought then and now embrace the ideology you fought against then? It’s a “cross” most of us will carry sooner or later but of course you are excused from that burden. The voice of reason.
Those who really know me would find the idea that I seek the comfort of a Group silly since many have tried to entice me to be a group think sheep for going on 4 decades. None think my allegiances have changed over that period of time. It may become necessary to become a temporary member of some group some day but it won’t be for comfort Bob. I’m not the one that embraced the political Party of identity politics and grievances and sees every identifiable ethnic or behavior trait as a basis to encourage class warfare and hatred of those that don’t look like they do. That’s your bed to lay in not mine. Where tribalism rules chaos follows and your new found friends in the Democrat Party are all about “tribes” and playing them against each other for political gain.
Projection does not work with me Bob. Better than you have tried. I’m comfortable in whom I am and my beliefs and values aren’t for sale to the higher bidder as you have demonstrated to be. I’m not a flag that blows with the prevailing winds.
As for this statement, “It was the more conservative politicians who wanted to stay a British colony” what’s your point? It took longer for some to come to the same conclusions as others and you find a meaningful distinction given all paths led to the same point? I’m quite aware of John Adams’ and Franklin’s efforts at reason and moderation. It bought time and nothing else. History is full of that recurring theme but I doubt that has much merit either way with those that fought or died. Reasonable men found they could not reason their way out of a fight and embraced something that is inherently unreasonable and takes on a life of its own renders the ideal that reasonable men brought this Nation to the events in 1776 absurd. That’s all. Your next stellar historical observation is what Bob? Reason could have prevented WWII? Some fools already beat you to that one.
You would have been in a Redcoat uniform after Bunker Hill. For the Bob that came home from a lost war there is no anchor in your little life boat of moderation save the one that looks into your eyes at home. You are politically adrift and move between two waves and simply wish to be on the highest one when it all comes crashing down. As for engaging those I disagree with Bob, how may Viet Cong and NVA did you engaged in reason? I’ve never seen you change your mind or even consider that your decisions are even remotely possible to be wrong. It cuts both ways and you’ve never taken any position where you didn’t bias your argument from the get go by projecting a whole lot of negative stereotypes on any and everyone that disagreed with you. That’s not engagement. The point of trying to reason with a Rattlesnake has the same merit as it did with the Cong and NVA. How did that work out? I’ll bet you didn’t talk too much about reason back in the ‘nam where world reality is a little closer to the truth.
I don’t doubt for a moment you actually want engagement but on the million to one chance I’m wrong try taking off the Strom Trooper boots and Crown before you post. If you act like a Rattlesnake then you are going to be treated accordingly. This is your last chance to be prove me wrong.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.6.09 @ 6:30PM

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.6.09 @ 6:01PM
Brought to ya'll by TEAM AMERICA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re_twitter

enjoy.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.6.09 @ 6:34PM

OKOK try this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....re_twitter

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.6.09 @ 6:42PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....U&NR=1

SoCon| 9.6.09 @ 6:48PM

Bob, you democrats fought in defense of slavery and were responsible for decades of mistreatment of black folks. You were responsible for Jim Crow laws and lynchings; and your latest casualties are 51 million dead babies.

Don't lecture us, fascist liberal troll: Your lies and hypocrisy are sickening.

SoCon| 9.6.09 @ 6:56PM

Ken kick@ss video!! Love it. God bless our country and those who will stand to defend her.

Pingback| 9.6.09 @ 7:11PM

| The American Jingoist links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Reagan thus his tome comes with some insightful perspectives on the inter workings of the White House. It is well worth reading, the entire article can be found here: http://spectator.org/archives/2009/09/04/the-real-van-jones-scandal-why/ Of paramount importance is Mr. Lord’s statement on page two… ”But the question here in the Van Jones case — as it would have been for me and my Reagan colleagues…

Lester Hunt | 9.6.09 @ 7:13PM

The oddest comment on this that I heard was from neocon David Frum on CNN. He said (unless I misunderstood him) was that the thing that angers him about Jones is that he put Glenn Beck with is crazy conspiracy theories, in the right. What's up with that?

Jeremiah| 9.6.09 @ 7:26PM

If Beck's case against Jones was comprised of crazy conspiracy theories, why did Jones resign? Doesn't make sense.

Frum is mad because Conservatives have turned their backs on him. Poor Davey--he's got no place to go. Go to hell, Frum.

Thom| 9.6.09 @ 7:26PM

Lester Hunt, just shooting the messenger coupled with some petty jealousy because a second string guy does his job for him (collectively speaking). Based on the coverage of the Van Jones thing (lack there of) in the Democrat media, Jones should be riding high and dry. I mean really, only right wing nuts listen to Glenn Bech and all the rest so how could just that small of a market (5% says Senator Spect and former RINO presidential candidate) bring this about? Simply not possible I hear.

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My takeaway from the past weekend | The Cranky Conservative links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…that circumvented the vetting process. This isn’t one of those things that just happen. This is Barack “Transparency” Obama gaming the system. As former Reagan staffer Jeffrey Lord explains at the Spectator, the Secret Service carefully scrutinizes the background of everyone who works at the White House. With his background, Van Jones couldn’t possibly have gotten into the White…

Sandra Lier| 9.7.09 @ 12:26AM

As a middle-aged,white female I can tell you that BO's gangsta government is having an effect in the 'hood. I live and work and south Atlanta ( I had no clue my son was on the way or I would never have bought where I did! God has a sense of humor! ) and I can vouch for the attitude that has become increasingly apparent in social situations. " Obama got mah back! " is the prevailing sentiment at the grocery store, in Walmart, you name it. Rudeness rules the day, from throwing trash out of cars at stoplights to having involved conversations in the middle of the aisle while blocking it with two shopping carts to the cashier waiting until I get up next and start putting groceries on the conveyor to tell me " Dis line close! You ha' to moo' to de udder one!" I've lost count of the times I have been well within earshot, with my 7-year old son, of black people using foul language with no thought for little ears. Today at Ikea a black couple had a crying baby and for 8 minutes by my watch they made no move to pet, hold, or otherwise comfort that child. I quit timing at that point but what does that indicate about the nascent culture of new America? I reported factual incidents that occurred to me; I am not drawing racist conclusions. I'm asking because I'd like to know.

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Aimee Mann sums up the MSM coverage of the Van Jones Affair « docweaselblog links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Pass Scared Monkeys: Good Grief Breitbart: Van Jones Continues GatewayPundit: Van Jones 9/11 GatewayPundit: Van Jones Anti-Police YouTube Incarceration Machine Breitbart: Bush On Crack Spectator: Van Jones Scandal Wash Exam: Non-Feeding Frenzy Breitbart: white kids shoot up schools Breitbart: whip” and “lynch Defense of the Republic Cliff Kincaid: Mystery Solved Lonely Conservative: Van Jones is a Truther…

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Van Jones – Obama Will Miss His Racist Radical Communist Pal; Obama? Your Crap just g links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…WH Parking Spot Wlady Pleszczynski, American Spectator: Van Jones Resigns FrontPageMag.com: Obama’s Communist Advisor and His Billion-Dollar Army Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right National Review Online: Krauthammer’s Take just a conservative girl: Van Jones and His Interesting Connections Hot Air: Unbelievable: Van Jones says 9/11 petition didn’t reflect…

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.7.09 @ 7:47AM

Sandra
Good question. Let me take a run at it.
In the "hood", there is no trust, or sense of community.
If you are "other" it makes it even worse.

The hood is the one island under control in a very frightening world the hoodies don't understand and cannot compete within.
Yeah, the hood is under control...of drug lords, gangs, etc. Doesn't matter "trust no one" rules.

IE: In my neighborhood, if I loan a neighbor my lawn mower, I can figure on getting it back pretty soon in same condition. In the hood they know if they loan their lawnmower, weeeeeelllll, maybe they get it back. No trust no "civil" life.
MOVE OUT!

Crazy Uncle| 9.7.09 @ 8:14AM

The way you describe Van Jones in the first few paragraphs sounds exactly like what The Big O and his wife were looking for!

Mark | 9.7.09 @ 8:21AM

So, Glenn Beck, a supposed right-wing fanatic, does his homework on Van Jones. Meanwhile, supposed respected newswoman Babara Walters calls Obama, "sexy" and Sarah Palin "uninformend." I know I'm preaching to the choir here, I just can't help pointing out what a mockery of journalism network news has become.

JimP| 9.7.09 @ 9:32AM

Wait a minute. Did someone say that, Bob claims to be a Viet Nam vet? Yo, Bob. I know you are out there. What was your unit and your year(s) of service in country? I've known a lot of VN vets over the years and virtually none of them were liberals. Some of the (in)famous VN vets are 'liberals'/Dems like Kerry and Jim Webb (treacherous former Rep who smeared a good man to get elected) but these guys are the egomaniacs. I'm talking about the regular guys who went on about their lives being good citizens.

Big J| 9.7.09 @ 9:46AM

JimP:

My neighbor and my uncle are both VN vets, and they are flaming liberals.

I am not clear on why, but they are hardcore!

Of course Bob will try to convince you he is not, but a leopard cannot change his spots.

Tony in Central PA| 9.7.09 @ 10:18AM

Glad to hear this guy is gone. It again shows just how far away the White House is from most of America.
I had originally hoped that Obama, because he sounded like a smart guy, would be susceptible to the truth like Clinton was on at least some issues. As days go by, it appears this guy is nothing but a hard left ideologue. People need to stand up to this man on everything he's trying to pull.

the friendly grizzly| 9.7.09 @ 10:23AM

Grzmlyk: Many interesting points that are very well-written and expressed.

The Balkanization and vulgarization of our society is highly distressing. I, for one, am sick to death of hearing what passes for conversation these days. The more or less constant use of excretory and reproductive expressions in everyday discourse boggles my mind.

One side note: not every homosexual seeks glorification or recognition. Most just want to be left the hell alone, and most are every bit as distressed over what the country has become as "normal" folks.

the friendly grizzly| 9.7.09 @ 10:41AM

California 70: the website works, the email address results in bounces.

the friendly grizzly| 9.7.09 @ 10:44AM

Sorry, I meant Ken (old Texican) on the note to CA70. (still waking up...)

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Andrew Breitbart on Van Jones and Media’s Inaction Reporting His Radicalism, America links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…WH Parking Spot Wlady Pleszczynski, American Spectator: Van Jones Resigns FrontPageMag.com: Obama’s Communist Advisor and His Billion-Dollar Army Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right National Review Online: Krauthammer’s Take just a conservative girl: Van Jones and His Interesting Connections Hot Air: Unbelievable: Van Jones says 9/11 petition didn’t…

JimP| 9.7.09 @ 12:14PM

BigJ: I'm stunned. You also have my sympathy-but not in the liberal touchy feely condescending you poor wretch you need the government's help kind of way. Maybe, because I live in a red state, (well lately it's turned purple, but it used to be red until recently) virtually all the VN vets I have known were conservative or at least Reagan Dems.

PS: I signed up for the TEAM.

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On “vetting” and the Czars - bs’s blog - RedState links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…also points out that the White House had to be familiar with Jones’ background, or he wouldn’t have been given access to the WH in the first place. As former Reagan staffer Jeffrey Lord explains at the Spectator, the Secret Service carefully scrutinizes the background of everyone who works at the White House. With his background, Van Jones couldn’t possibly have gotten into the White…

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On “vetting” and the Czars - bs’s blog - RedState links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…also points out that the White House had to be familiar with Jones’ background, or he wouldn’t have been given access to the WH in the first place. As former Reagan staffer Jeffrey Lord explains at the Spectator, the Secret Service carefully scrutinizes the background of everyone who works at the White House. With his background, Van Jones couldn’t possibly have gotten into the White…

Pingback| 9.7.09 @ 12:26PM

Racist, Communist, America-Bashing Obama Adviser Resigns, Over Wacky 9/11 Conspiracy links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…he was a 9/11 “Truther,” who believed that George Bush may have been behind the terrorist attacks on 911. But Obama has long been aware of Jones’ extremism, wacky statements, and arrest record, which would have come to light months ago during the White House vetting process, as former White House staffer Jeffrey Lord and National Review ’s Andrew McCarthy note. The Secret Service…

Gazinya| 9.7.09 @ 12:31PM

Glen already aswered this. He showed a video of Jarrette saying that 'we have watched Van Jones since his days in Oakland. We have been very impressed with his dedication to the environment.' She did not say what or which environment but I'm sure they didn't ask Al Gore to pontificate.

Sue| 9.7.09 @ 12:34PM

He's worse than a "911 Truther." Check out the Powerlineblog.com post about the CD his organization made with Adul Jamal, the cop executioner from Philadelphia.

That should get you awake enough to at least start mailing your friends and relatives.

Obama knew exactly what he was hiring and why. It makes no difference to marxists if we find out.

Sue| 9.7.09 @ 12:36PM

Also, when checking out the Youtube sites about Van Jones, keep in mind and keep asking yourself just who are the thousands in the crowds clapping about his statements?

That should give you pause as well.

The thin blue line is thin and can easily be broken by these people. Especially in the inner cities.

Berl Goetz| 9.7.09 @ 1:11PM

A small aside: Some of the advertisers who self-righteously disavowed Beck on TV are still affiliated with his radio show. There's hope that we can be spared from innundation by racial activist organizations.

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Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler » Oh, And An Aside links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…They knew alright and, as is their duty, they informed the president of it. Guess just who told them to go fuck themselves and stuff their findings? All Hail Obamandias, King of Kings. Thanks to Jeffrey Lord for the inspiration and to Chuck for giving me the link so I could hat tip appropriately. This entry was posted on Monday, September 7th, 2009 at 12:47 am and is filed under Idiotarians. You can…

1upmanship| 9.7.09 @ 1:31PM

Louis Farrakhan/Van Jones/Odumbma umbilical triad feasting off the same hate thread. Pillars of disgust that will crumble by their own destruction. America watch and wait as they self destruct.

Big J| 9.7.09 @ 1:31PM

JimP,

I too live in a red state (doesn't get much redder than Texas), and cannot figure my neighbor out for the life of me. We have had lengthy and rather heated conversations about it, and had to agree to disagree. My uncle, on the other hand is from the Left coast. He is a HOPELESS lib and has spent his entire career working for the state of California. I repeat, HOPELESS.

He's wrong, I'm right!

Hey, welcome to the T.E.A.M. I have actually met with and had dinner with Texican and his wife, and I can tell you - they are fantastic people. I think we can all agree that our government has grown to big for their britches, and we are planning ways to knock them back down to size (better late than never).

Welcome aboard, my friend.

Ken (Old Texican)| 9.7.09 @ 2:05PM

AWWWW shucks, Big J.
It was the least I could do to introduce you to those maniacs over at TEAM America.

They are serious about acting rather than analysing. (sp?)
Those nuts have the Virginia Republicans climbing through their...well...
Anyway...kick back and sip a cool one. You have earned it.

Patriot| 9.7.09 @ 2:24PM

Big J, love ya, buddy; sorry to burst your balloon--but Oklahoma is redder than Texas.

Also, your uncle in California may be a flaming lib (my condolences!), but there are millions of Conservatives out here, too! Mostly inland.

It's still "Reagan Country" in much of California.

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On “vetting” and the Czars | Social Debate: Barack and American Politics links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

On “vetting” and the Czars | Social Debate: Barack and American

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Hot Air » Blog Archive » White House source: We never asked Van Jones to fill out the links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…would be on the latter two possibilities. This happened once in the Bush Administration with the vetting of Bernie Kerik, with awful consequences. Not the first time we’ve heard the “short circuit” theory floated. I said this yesterday but it’s important enough to bear repeating: The White House is flatly admitting here that its czars are specially exempt from the sort of scrutiny…

Mindnumbedrobot| 9.7.09 @ 5:09PM

Whew! This whole thing with Van Jones has touched some sort of nerve. I hope this whole thing leads to a closer look at the infestation in the White House.
This whole discussion sounds like something out of Jared Taylor's American Renaissance (worth checking out!)
On the MacDonald finger licking good story, I sometimes buy a Coke at a convenience store, and the clerk may hold the can by the lid area. I very often comment on this and go over to get another out of the cooler.
The whole Obama posse was well documented by Michelle Malkin in her latest book. Now it gets worse!
The issue of White House access was covered well in the original story here. I only add that Gary Aldrich, in his book "Unlimited Access" went over this issue as to the Clinton maladministration.
As to why the MSM does not cover this: two reasons: first, since the BHO operation is liberal, of course it wll get good or non press. Second, because of "diversity" the editorial boards of all MSM have reps from all the major pressure groups: Of Colors, gays, whoever. They effectively filter out any news that would put their group in a bad light.
Last of all, Sheila way back there, here is one Jew who saw the light about forty years ago when he saw the havoc wrought by Lyndon Johnson and his destruction of what was already the Great Society.

jr| 9.7.09 @ 5:33PM

Yes, good article. But there is a need for more than Fox and a number of good clean journalists exposing the trash, marxist, socialist, commies, etc., that are now Czars. The Congress is at fault for not requiring the ONE to have those people properly apponted - and the "Republicans" for not screaming for it. This is cut-throat time Republicans and all you can do is offer jokes like Crist for 2010 to take the place of a joker like Mel Martinez.

Big J| 9.7.09 @ 5:43PM

Patriot:

Your points are well noted.

I blame our state capitol for the conservative numbers in this state being somewhat inferior to Oklahoma. We call Austin the little blue dot in a big red state.

As for inland California, I agree - it's just hard to consider the majority of the state conservative when they keep voting for Pelosi, Waters and others.

Excuse me. Every time I see that name, I throw up in my mouth a little.

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Don’t Blame Van Jones! Blame the Conservatives… And Be Sure to Include That They’re, links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…WH Parking Spot Wlady Pleszczynski, American Spectator: Van Jones Resigns FrontPageMag.com: Obama’s Communist Advisor and His Billion-Dollar Army Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right National Review Online: Krauthammer’s Take just a conservative girl: Van Jones and His Interesting Connections Hot Air: Unbelievable: Van Jones says 9/11 petition didn’t…

juandomino| 9.7.09 @ 7:10PM

Spending, wasting, my much deserved Labor Day respit at the laptop, perusing the endless stream of nonsensical verbage that flowed like the waste of drunken Moors through the streets of some conquered utopia was as painful as searching in vain for a sharp utensil to jot down a much needed set of digits before slipping into forgetfulness. Until, at last, I stumbled upon the Spectator. This is obviously the drawer where the sharp pencils are stored. I was briefly encouraged by the intelligent comments posted here and for a fleeting moment allowed myself to "hope", (that word has taken on such a different meaning in the last eight months or so) that perhaps those of us who have yet to open our minds so wide that our brains have fallen to the slaughterhouse floor of ideas may somehow find a way to retake control of this great land once known for its freedom and bravery. But alas, I returned to my senses. The dawn is past, the twilight is upon us, and America shall soon go the way of miriad empires before us. The night is at hand. Why so gloomy you say? Because truth is no longer truth. Liberty is license. God is forgotten, and men measure their stature not by the height of their ideals but the breadth of their billfolds. God have mercy on the remnant of the faithful and may we not lose our vision for the evil that will shortly fill our eyes.

Patriot| 9.7.09 @ 8:20PM

Big J, I throw up in my mouth a LOT! I just thank God I don't live any where near her district.

Another lib winner is Barbie ("Call me Senator, General") Boxer. I'd love to send her sorry backside cartwheeling through the air.

Just want you to know that we're rooting for young Colt McCoy to win the Heisman Trophy this year. What a great kid. Go Colt!

Daisy| 9.7.09 @ 8:37PM

Juan, dude! You need to pump some iron and run a few bleachers!! Don't give up on yourself, besides, you're not alone.

Wonder if our Founders had given up so easily? What about the tribulations of World War ll and the Great Depression? Snap out of it, man--we've got work to do!

You just need a couple of quick slaps to your face; that would wake you up. If you don't like the immorality around you, live as an example of strength and goodness.

I believe that we are a fundamentally good people; we've just forgotten to be grateful to God for all of His blessings. I still have hope that we're going to pull together and make this country great again.

C.Hill| 9.7.09 @ 9:58PM

Grzmlyk,

Regarding your experience at the McDonalds in NYC: When you mentioned that the people were "black", do you mean African-American? The reason I ask is that your story seems derived from your and others black and white relations and experiences birthed through the history of the United States of American. I ask about the ethnicity of the employees because an honest reflection and response to this question may possibly expose some covert prejudices that do indeed lie within you. Consider my story:
I was visiting a dear friend in NYC in January of this year, and yes, I stopped in at a McDonalds; all the people working there were "black", but to my shock and surprise, spoke Spanish- granted English to the customers, but Spanish amongst themselves – I actually bothered to notice. Then I was on the subway - more "black", Spanish-speaking people! Coming from Nebraska, I had never witnessed such a thing! Alas, I had to reveal my ignorance by finally asking my dear friend who has lived in NYC for the last 30 years to “enlighten” me—what is this! Basically, I asked her what was the deal with all these black people I keep seeing, who looked like me (I'm black, born in Nebraska), but spoke Spanish. Her reply, "Oh, those are Dominicans." Culture shock at age 42, in my own country. (Hey, it can happen.)

Dominicans are recent immigrants and don't share the same history as I or my black ancestors in the unfolding of American history. (Perhaps, though, the same experiences, if not history, eh?) Do you see where I am going with this? If every black person that you see appears to have major attitude with whites you may want to consider the possibility that they are immigrants and do not share African-American history (ESPECIALLY if you are in NYC !). Now as for the “chip” on the shoulder and “attitude” problem – you’ve eloquently presented a response for the black “home-grown” folks, but I am curious to hear your response for those “black” folks with the “chips” and “dips” (in attitude) who aren’t “home-grown”.

Oh, the guy licking his fingers is a serious health violation--report it, and for godsakes, have enough sense to get out of the line!

Missy| 9.7.09 @ 10:43PM

C. Hill--don't sweat it; rudeness doesn't have a color. I'd like to think we're all in this together. Life would sure be easier, you know?

It was probably more about the big city than anything else.

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RedPlanetCartoons » Green Menace links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…up in New York City. The US cannot bomb its way out of this one. Safety at home requires justice abroad.” Fox News: Mainstream Print and Broadcast Media Ignore Van Jones American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal « The Joker No Comments No comments yet. RSS feed for comments on this post. | TrackBack URI Sorry, the comment form is closed at this time.

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Countdown to 9/12 — Tuesday links | And Still I Persist links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…ITEM: It’s passe now, but guess what? Van Jones did not fill out the infamous 63-question form that the White House was requiring for background checks. No word on whether the FBI ran the usual mandatory background check on Jones and, if so, just what they reported to the White House. Meanwhile, the mainstream media is saying, “ Who? What happened? Was it important? ” ITEM: Maybe…

Dermitage | 9.8.09 @ 6:21AM

I think that he's done a nice job of exposing the ugly truths of these people.

Richard Baker| 9.8.09 @ 8:02AM

Rules? We don't need no stinking rules.

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God bless you, Glenn.

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Update Day – Education, Czar/MediaWatch « Get d'Clu links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…boycott their advertisers. What an example of media malpractice! Check out DefendGlenn.com Below, is a “comment” on an American Spectator article by Jeff Lord ( http://spectator.org/archives/2009/09/04/the-real-van-jones-scandal-why ) (again, much thanks to Atlas), You don’t need to have read the article to get the truths in this response: Grzmlyk| 9.4.09 @ 9:05AM Wow. Mr. Lord, are YOU stuck in the…

Ray| 9.8.09 @ 3:17PM

Like Jones, Swift Boaters and John Edwards the mainstream media stayed away until it was too late.

That's the real tragedy here.

There are no checks/balances in the media.

Imagine if there wasn't a FOX network.

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President to nation’s schoolchildren: be careful what you post online! « NObama Blog links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…works for older people as well. Van Jones comes to mind. That works both ways, too….perhaps Mr. Jones’ former employer (ahem!) could have done a simple YouTube search and learned what Glenn Beck found over the past month or more. Just sayin’. Filed under: NObama | Tagged: Hypocrisy, Van Jones « RealClearPolitics – What Obama Says vs. What He Does Leave a Reply…

C.Hill| 9.8.09 @ 6:25PM

@ Missy - I agree,

Rudeness indeed has no color; but Grzmlyk comments certainly do - Grzmlyk comments are chock-full of color --"colored" people that is. What Grzmlyk appears to be arriving at thru his storytelling of the finger-licker at Mickey Dees was that these "black" people at McDonalds had a chip on their shoulder because they had to serve "whitey", and because of this "whitey" was going have to pay by suffering through a near unbearable experience - this is where Grzmlyk coming from. Do I agree with his/her assessment of the situation - no - I simply see these employees as rude and ignorant, yet somehow Grzmlyk turns his McDonald's experience into an issue about race and race relations in the U.S. Talk about race-biting!

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Obama’s Political Advice to Students: Beware of Facebook… Van Jones Got Message Too links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…More Van Jones lunacy Libertarian Drummer’s Blog: They Are Assholes Speaking My Mind: Van Jones And San Quentin – A Match Made In Heaven Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right NewsReal: Van Jones takes a page out of “Rules for Radicals” too Joseph Farrah, World News Daily: Keith Olbermann’s ‘insubstantialness’ Power Line: Lights Out…

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Obama's Political Advice to Students: Beware of Facebook Van … – CelebrityTwitterGoss links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Words and More Van Jones lunacy Libertarian Drummer’s Blog: They Are Assholes Speaking My Mind: Van Jones And San Quentin – A Match Made In Heaven Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right NewsReal: Van Jones takes a page out of “Rules for Radicals” too Joseph Farrah, World News Daily: Keith Olbermann’s ‘insubstantialness’ Power Line: Lights Out for Van Jones…

Missy| 9.9.09 @ 12:27AM

C. Hill, I understand your point of view: But I know this poster and he is a very good person. He was young and living in New York for the first time--I think he was very frightened. And, there was no excuse for the employees' behavior, right?

Pingback| 9.10.09 @ 10:16PM

Glenn Beck on Communist Van Jones’ Resignation: Pres. Obama Did Not Denounce Czar’s links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…A whole lotta Van Jones links… k FOX News: Mainstream print and broadcast media ignore Van Jones: timeline of who reported what and when Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right Hot Air: White House source: We never asked Van Jones to fill out the vetting questionnaire Update: FBI vetted Jones and Unbelievable: Van Jones says 9/11 petition didn’t reflect…

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Lights are a low cost way to add style to your family home and they are simple to fi links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…some style to your home. Author Toby F Ashton talks about buying lights online. You may also want to check out: Selected News For Aug 29 – Sep 4 | Sweetness & Light The American Spectator : The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn … 'BH Chihuahua' Wins Box Office Dogfight; 'Quarantine' Takes #2 … An Introduction to the Eco Initiative « The Lab The End Of The Nation States Of…

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Make a Note: Obama Slyly Slips in Name Change from “Czar” to “Point Person” in Speec links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…print and broadcast media ignore Van Jones: timeline of who reported what and when Joseph C. Phillips, Big Hollywood: Revolution Anyone? Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right Michelle Malkin: Green Party hearts Van Jones Glenn Beck: Bigger Than ACORN and Van Jones, in His Own Words and More Van Jones lunacy Sister Toldjah: NY Post slams NY Times for…

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The Dying Mainstream Media = “Fringe Media” (political cartoons, video) « Frugal Caf links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…To Push Bogus Racially-tinged Story FOX News: Mainstream print and broadcast media ignore Van Jones: timeline of who reported what and when Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right Categories: Cartoons, Funny Photos, Conservatism, Entertainment, Celebrities, Media & Communication, Social and Political Climate, Videos, Audio Files Tags: ABC, CBS, CNN, Fox…

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Confidential Shredding Explained « Wicked Blogging links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Archive » Identity theft without … LifeLock Review: How To Protect Your Identity For Free » My Money Blog Emptywheel » All the News NYT Does Not See Fit to Print The American Spectator : The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn … Write a comment Click here to cancel reply. Name (required) Mail (will not be published) (required) Website Categories Advice Business Education Entertainment Family and…

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Violated Trust: Price Paid When Major News Sites Secretly Revise or Remove Their Web links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…C, CNN Abandon All Pretense Of Journalism Another Black Conservative: Leno lampoons ACORN Jeffery Lord, American Spectator: Media Malpractice: Tom Brokaw’s World Implodes and The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right Just Americans Making Ethical Statements Weblog: WH Green Czar Van Johnson linked to Group attacking FOX News and Glenn Beck Left, Right, and Centered: Imagine What The Press…

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Bunch O’ Beck… The Cloward-Piven Strategy, Frog-Gate, Glenn Beck Day, Liberal Media, links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…I hope Glenn Beck kills himself” Glenn Beck: Bigger Than ACORN The Patriot’s Mind: Video of the Week – Glenn Beck on Obama’s Communist Czars Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right Greg Sargent, The Plum Line: House Dems Bracing For Huge Turnout At Glenn Beck/Tea Party Gathering Nice Deb: V ideo: Glenn Beck Interviews Hannah On ACORN Corruption Categories:…

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Question of the Day : Liberty Scout links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

Scout Liberty Scout Subscribe to News Subscribe to Comments Home About Blog Question of the Day Posted by scout on September 4, 2009 · Leave a Comment What did the Obama White House know about Van Jones and when did they know it? Filed under Politics, Uncategorized · Tagged with Obama Administration Comments are closed. Quick Search Select Category Uncategorized Economy Featured Video…

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Disgraced Former “Green Jobs” Czar Van Jones Given NAACP Image Award: “Judge People links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…An image for children to admire and emulate? Misunderstood? Hardly. Previous articles and posts on “Image” recipient Van Jones: Jeffrey Lord, American Spectator: The Real Van Jones Scandal: Why Glenn Beck Is Right Washington Post: White House Adviser Van Jones Resigns Amid Controversy Over Past Activism Robert Stacy McCain, American Spectator: Van Jones: Victim of Right-Wing…

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